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Oversimplified, it's a matter of political tribalism.

Environmentalism is considered a "leftist" cause.

Leftists advocate things that many Christians are firmly against, like abortion, sexual immorality (including LGBT stuff), and "oppressor/oppressed" double standards of justice.

Therefore, the "green" movement is tainted with guilt by association, and the Religious Right thus opposes it out of spite.

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Well said.

My original post is to question why environmentalism isn't considered a cause for the Right. Shouldn't it be?

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For a more complete explanation, "Environmentalism" involves a large system of pseudo-political science and fad media driven narratives. It is largely driven by tabloid journalism and political grifters.

Good stewardship is just considered part of the overall personal responsibility a person has from being alive, like treating others with respect, or not lying. It isn't a "cause for the right" because it isn't a political matter any more than treating others with respect is a political platform.

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The question is to the degree "the right" and "Christian" intersect, why is there seemingly so little regard for an original commandment?

One possibility is the intersection isn't really that broad. Another is that they are choosing positions out of of opposition instead of affirmation. Or it could be that they are missing the mark in their beliefs.

Interested in thoughtful responses. There is usually a race to interject the best jabs before someone discusses genuinely.

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Honest question, how does wealth redistribution (Paris Accord)affect the environment and lower global temps?

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BonfireNerd04 said:

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Oversimplified, it's a matter of political tribalism.

Environmentalism is considered a "leftist" cause.

Leftists advocate things that many Christians are firmly against, like abortion, sexual immorality (including LGBT stuff), and "oppressor/oppressed" double standards of justice.

Therefore, the "green" movement is tainted with guilt by association, and the Religious Right thus opposes it out of spite.

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Well said.

My original post is to question why environmentalism isn't considered a cause for the Right. Shouldn't it be?

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And you've been told repeatedly that being good stewards =/= the modern practice of "environmentalism". "Environmentalists" want me to have zero cattle. As a good steward, my grassland/ecosystem management and animal husbandry practices define me as a good steward.

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My original post is to question why environmentalism isn't considered a cause for the Right. Shouldn't it be?

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Who says it's not, you? Do you have actual proof of people on the right demanding we pollute? I'm being serious. I'm conservative and I recycle 3 times what I throw away.

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The question is to the degree "the right" and "Christian" intersect, why is there seemingly so little regard for an original commandment?

One possibility is the intersection isn't really that broad. Another is that they are choosing positions out of of opposition instead of affirmation. Or it could be that they are missing the mark in their beliefs.

Interested in thoughtful responses. There is usually a race to interject the best jabs before someone discusses genuinely.

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Honest question, how does wealth redistribution (Paris Accord)affect the environment and lower global temps?

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Can't wait for this reply.

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BluHorseShu said:

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Being good stewards of the environment does not mean giving away your money and rights to the government.

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Agreed....but there's also somewhere in the middle. I don't think anyone believes we are doing a super job being good stewards of our environment. And if not being as a good a steward means more money in our pockets...then I think we need to re-evaluate how much we really need. The old 80's mantra of "He who dies with the most toys, wins" isn't the way to read what scripture tells us.

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Why are you using a winky face?

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I thought it was a smiley face. Dangit!! My health insurance doesn't pay for vision.

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Being good stewards of the environment does not mean giving away your money and rights to the government.

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Agreed....but there's also somewhere in the middle. I don't think anyone believes we are doing a super job being good stewards of our environment. And if not being as a good a steward means more money in our pockets...then I think we need to re-evaluate how much we really need. The old 80's mantra of "He who dies with the most toys, wins" isn't the way to read what scripture tells us.

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All of life, big or small, destroys the environment it inhabits. It's necessary to sustain life.

I consider myself Christian. My wife and I donate to the nature conservancy. Rather than give government more money and power to restrict our freedoms, we participate in a group that buys endangered land on the open market.

The problem with politicizing the environment is that it forces solutions which benefit an interest group instead of the environment.

After the Exxon Valdez leak the government passed legislation that cost the industry billions in regulatory costs. But 90% of the benefit came from the cheapest regulation which was to require spill cleanup insurance. The rest of the regulations were to help ship builders and other 'green tech' by making the transport of oil less efficient.

Drive thru farm and ranch land of rural Texas and look around... then - being careful not to step in human **** - do the same in downtown Austin.

Now tell me how the population of each area votes and explain how the "Bible believing right" is the problem.

It's been a long time since I've seen an OP get dunked on that hard in the very first response.

Nicely put. Too many believe that an exchange of money is a solution and those same people disregard the data that proves the "solution " is not working.

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Anastasia Beaverhaven said:

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Being good stewards of the environment does not mean giving away your money and rights to the government.

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Agreed....but there's also somewhere in the middle. I don't think anyone believes we are doing a super job being good stewards of our environment. And if not being as a good a steward means more money in our pockets...then I think we need to re-evaluate how much we really need. The old 80's mantra of "He who dies with the most toys, wins" isn't the way to read what scripture tells us.

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Why are you using a winky face?

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I thought it was a smiley face. Dangit!! My health insurance doesn't pay for vision.

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You can get vision care without health insurance.

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How did this thread get so far without first asking is it true that Christians are dismissive of and have disregard for the environment?

Everyone is just responding to OPs biased conjecture.

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Some of the responses have started with an attack of the premise, so it's covered.

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An "attack" of the premise is evidence of your presumption?

Am I understanding that correctly?

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You are not.

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Interesting reply given this is the conversation you started.

But whatever. So, any Christians on this thread? How about any former Scouts?

Do y'all continue to leave no trace?

I'm willing to bet there is substantial evidence within this thread alone refuting your belief that Christians disregard the environment.

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That would be great.

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It seems to me there is a difference in understanding environmentalism and stewardship, as Phatbob mentioned above, which is evident in this Pew Research How Religion Intersects With Americans' Views on the Environment, with environmentalism bound to climate change.

This alone raises an interesting discussion about the difference in beliefs between the religious and religiously unaffiliated adults who, I would say religiously, adhere to climate change.


What do you make of this

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This is interesting. It does seem to indicate that Evangelicals exhibit fewer behavioral changes than others groups. Good share. "Other Religion" are the most vigilant.

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I'm curious about something.

Since so many on the Right profess to be Bible-believing Christians, why are they so dismissive of calls to protect the environment when Adam's first command was to "tend and keep" per Genesis 2? Bible dictionaries define "tend" as meaning "to take attentive and nurturing care as one would a valuable possession."

However, when topics like taking better care of the Earth come up, I see posts saying "I'm going to get up tomorrow and pour some paint down the drain" and "I'm opening all my windows and doors and blasting my AC to celebrate Earth Day this year." Some in jest. Some quite serious.

Shouldn't Believers be the ones most adamant about better stewardship of natural resources?

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Every conservative Christian I know does take care of the environment. Look at the aftermath of any large gathering of liberals though....unbelievable how trashed the place is! Every time!

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dermdoc said:

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SantaLucia said:

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The question is to the degree "the right" and "Christian" intersect, why is there seemingly so little regard for an original commandment?

One possibility is the intersection isn't really that broad. Another is that they are choosing positions out of of opposition instead of affirmation. Or it could be that they are missing the mark in their beliefs.

Interested in thoughtful responses. There is usually a race to interject the best jabs before someone discusses genuinely.

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Honest question, how does wealth redistribution (Paris Accord)affect the environment and lower global temps?

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Can't wait for this reply.

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They don't touch direct questions. You better get comfortable.

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SantaLucia said:

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How did this thread get so far without first asking is it true that Christians are dismissive of and have disregard for the environment?

Everyone is just responding to OPs biased conjecture.

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Some of the responses have started with an attack of the premise, so it's covered.

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An "attack" of the premise is evidence of your presumption?

Am I understanding that correctly?

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You are not.

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Interesting reply given this is the conversation you started.

But whatever. So, any Christians on this thread? How about any former Scouts?

Do y'all continue to leave no trace?

I'm willing to bet there is substantial evidence within this thread alone refuting your belief that Christians disregard the environment.

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That would be great.

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It seems to me there is a difference in understanding environmentalism and stewardship, as Phatbob mentioned above, which is evident in this Pew Research How Religion Intersects With Americans' Views on the Environment, with environmentalism bound to climate change.

This alone raises an interesting discussion about the difference in beliefs between the religious and religiously unaffiliated adults who, I would say religiously, adhere to climate change.


What do you make of this

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This is interesting. It does seem to indicate that Evangelicals exhibit fewer behavioral changes than others groups. Good share. "Other Religion" are the most vigilant.

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Wow...the most vigilant by how much? A few percent? Good lord...you've dug all the way to china.

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Please describe "calls to protect the environment".

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Has this been answered? If he doesn't offer up any particulars, then there can't be a constructive conversation. I can ask a different question the other way around.

Why don't environmentalists care about cheap access to energy for people in poor and developing countries?

I believe it's good and right to be good stewards of our environment. Where do atheists derive a moral imperative that we should be good stewards of the environment? That to me is a much more interesting question.

I think that most people are well intention in how they act and vote in regard to the environment. Many are misguided, but well intentioned nonetheless. There are definitely a great deal of people who use harmful practices while knowing better, but I do not think they are the minority.

I am more worried about habitat destruction and our polluted waterways than I am about the fossil fuel debate.

The oil and gas industry has done more and spent more for the good of our environment than all other industries combined, period! Without tax dollars that so called environmentalists use for style feel good experiments to make themselves and gullible people feel good about themselves. The liberals are attempting to ruin the only industry in the world that uses its own profits for real innovative solutions that make sense. And they aren't in the business of wasting or misusing those profits for feel good pet projects.

Hey OP!

Can't help but notice you didn't respond to my request!

But let's try again:

Please give us a concrete example of a political policy you consider to be an example of good environmental stewardship that the right doesn't support!

TIA because you did say you wanted real discussion

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AGinHI said:

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SantaLucia said:

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AGinHI said:

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How did this thread get so far without first asking is it true that Christians are dismissive of and have disregard for the environment?

Everyone is just responding to OPs biased conjecture.

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Some of the responses have started with an attack of the premise, so it's covered.

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An "attack" of the premise is evidence of your presumption?

Am I understanding that correctly?

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You are not.

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Interesting reply given this is the conversation you started.

But whatever. So, any Christians on this thread? How about any former Scouts?

Do y'all continue to leave no trace?

I'm willing to bet there is substantial evidence within this thread alone refuting your belief that Christians disregard the environment.

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That would be great.

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It seems to me there is a difference in understanding environmentalism and stewardship, as Phatbob mentioned above, which is evident in this Pew Research How Religion Intersects With Americans' Views on the Environment, with environmentalism bound to climate change.

This alone raises an interesting discussion about the difference in beliefs between the religious and religiously unaffiliated adults who, I would say religiously, adhere to climate change.


What do you make of this

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This is interesting. It does seem to indicate that Evangelicals exhibit fewer behavioral changes than others groups. Good share. "Other Religion" are the most vigilant.

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Wow...the most vigilant by how much? A few percent? Good lord...you've dug all the way to china.

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So… Christians don't adhere to the customs of competing religions (eat less meat)? Shocking!

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Hey OP!

Can't help but notice you didn't respond to my request!

But let's try again:

Please give us a concrete example of a political policy you consider to be an example of good environmental stewardship that the right doesn't support!

TIA because you did say you wanted real discussion

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It's selective responses lol. He took a head shot on the opening comment.

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AGinHI said:

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AGinHI said:

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How did this thread get so far without first asking is it true that Christians are dismissive of and have disregard for the environment?

Everyone is just responding to OPs biased conjecture.

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Some of the responses have started with an attack of the premise, so it's covered.

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An "attack" of the premise is evidence of your presumption?

Am I understanding that correctly?

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You are not.

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Interesting reply given this is the conversation you started.

But whatever. So, any Christians on this thread? How about any former Scouts?

Do y'all continue to leave no trace?

I'm willing to bet there is substantial evidence within this thread alone refuting your belief that Christians disregard the environment.

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That would be great.

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It seems to me there is a difference in understanding environmentalism and stewardship, as Phatbob mentioned above, which is evident in this Pew Research How Religion Intersects With Americans' Views on the Environment, with environmentalism bound to climate change.

This alone raises an interesting discussion about the difference in beliefs between the religious and religiously unaffiliated adults who, I would say religiously, adhere to climate change.


What do you make of this

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This is interesting. It does seem to indicate that Evangelicals exhibit fewer behavioral changes than others groups. Good share. "Other Religion" are the most vigilant.

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And there you go !!!! The one post the OP has been begging and pleading for to justify his existence. BTW PEW research like Brookings is left of center.

Oh and a less than 3% margin is statistically unsound when justifying a finding as a fact.

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BluHorseShu said:

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Anastasia Beaverhaven said:

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Being good stewards of the environment does not mean giving away your money and rights to the government.

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Agreed....but there's also somewhere in the middle. I don't think anyone believes we are doing a super job being good stewards of our environment. And if not being as a good a steward means more money in our pockets...then I think we need to re-evaluate how much we really need. The old 80's mantra of "He who dies with the most toys, wins" isn't the way to read what scripture tells us.

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All of life, big or small, destroys the environment it inhabits. It's necessary to sustain life.

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Well that's a take I've never heard. So if true, we shouldn't have a plan to replace the environment? Like cutting down trees and planting new ones? Just cut down the trees and move on? The whole point of stewardship doesn't mean not using the environment, it means doing our best mitigate the destruction or even replenish what is used. Otherwise the whole point of being stewards is completely moot.

Mary Bailey said:

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Mary Bailey said:

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BluHorseShu said:

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Anastasia Beaverhaven said:

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Being good stewards of the environment does not mean giving away your money and rights to the government.

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Agreed....but there's also somewhere in the middle. I don't think anyone believes we are doing a super job being good stewards of our environment. And if not being as a good a steward means more money in our pockets...then I think we need to re-evaluate how much we really need. The old 80's mantra of "He who dies with the most toys, wins" isn't the way to read what scripture tells us.

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Why are you using a winky face?

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I thought it was a smiley face. Dangit!! My health insurance doesn't pay for vision.

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You can get vision care without health insurance.

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Not if I don't want to pay an arm and a leg for glasses/contacts. Besides...I was kidding...

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SantaLucia said:

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I'm curious about something.

Since so many on the Right profess to be Bible-believing Christians, why are they so dismissive of calls to protect the environment when Adam's first command was to "tend and keep" per Genesis 2? Bible dictionaries define "tend" as meaning "to take attentive and nurturing care as one would a valuable possession."

However, when topics like taking better care of the Earth come up, I see posts saying "I'm going to get up tomorrow and pour some paint down the drain" and "I'm opening all my windows and doors and blasting my AC to celebrate Earth Day this year." Some in jest. Some quite serious.

Shouldn't Believers be the ones most adamant about better stewardship of natural resources?

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Every conservative Christian I know does take care of the environment. Look at the aftermath of any large gathering of liberals though....unbelievable how trashed the place is! Every time!

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Awesome post and reminder.

Well to be fair the vast majority go to protest to get drunk, high, or laid. Tough to remember to clean up when you are stoned out of your mind

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SantaLucia said:

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AGinHI said:

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SantaLucia said:

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AGinHI said:

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SantaLucia said:

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How did this thread get so far without first asking is it true that Christians are dismissive of and have disregard for the environment?

Everyone is just responding to OPs biased conjecture.

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Some of the responses have started with an attack of the premise, so it's covered.

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An "attack" of the premise is evidence of your presumption?

Am I understanding that correctly?

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You are not.

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Interesting reply given this is the conversation you started.

But whatever. So, any Christians on this thread? How about any former Scouts?

Do y'all continue to leave no trace?

I'm willing to bet there is substantial evidence within this thread alone refuting your belief that Christians disregard the environment.

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That would be great.

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It seems to me there is a difference in understanding environmentalism and stewardship, as Phatbob mentioned above, which is evident in this Pew Research How Religion Intersects With Americans' Views on the Environment, with environmentalism bound to climate change.

This alone raises an interesting discussion about the difference in beliefs between the religious and religiously unaffiliated adults who, I would say religiously, adhere to climate change.


What do you make of this

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This is interesting. It does seem to indicate that Evangelicals exhibit fewer behavioral changes than others groups. Good share. "Other Religion" are the most vigilant.

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And there you go !!!! The one post the OP has been begging and pleading for to justify his existence. BTW PEW research like Brookings is left of center.

Oh and a less than 3% margin is statistically unsound when justifying a finding as a fact.

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Man.....you can't tell him that!

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Every conservative Christian I know does take care of the environment. Look at the aftermath of any large gathering of liberals though....unbelievable how trashed the place is! Every time!

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I'm curious about something.

Since so many on the Right profess to be Bible-believing Christians, why are they so dismissive of calls to protect the environment when Adam's first command was to "tend and keep" per Genesis 2? Bible dictionaries define "tend" as meaning "to take attentive and nurturing care as one would a valuable possession."

However, when topics like taking better care of the Earth come up, I see posts saying "I'm going to get up tomorrow and pour some paint down the drain" and "I'm opening all my windows and doors and blasting my AC to celebrate Earth Day this year." Some in jest. Some quite serious.

Shouldn't Believers be the ones most adamant about better stewardship of natural resources?

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ASV Genesis 1:

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 And God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them: and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food:
30 and to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the heavens, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, 'I have given' every green herb for food: and it was so."

Lets go to burning man and talk about the evil right and their abuse of mother earth and waste of natural resources




The good people at Davos and their nearly 1000 private jets agree



Cuz we iz gonna savez the planet with our lithium and cobalt mines powered by child slave labor.





Sleep well and dream of the communist utopia thats almost here.



Stupid evil Christian Republicans are so stupid and evil.

Sorry but not sorry. I enjoyed posting this.

Madman said:

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Lets go to burning man and talk about the evil right and their abuse of mother earth and waste of natural resources




The good people at Davos and their nearly 1000 private jets agree



Cuz we iz gonna savez the planet with our lithium and cobalt mines powered by child slave labor.





Sleep well and dream of the communist utopia thats almost here.



Stupid evil Christian Republicans are so stupid and evil.

Sorry but not sorry. I enjoyed posting this.

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Stop! Stop! He's already dead!

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Lets go to burning man and talk about the evil right and their abuse of mother earth and waste of natural resources




The good people at Davos and their nearly 1000 private jets agree



Cuz we iz gonna savez the planet with our lithium and cobalt mines powered by child slave labor.





Sleep well and dream of the communist utopia thats almost here.



Stupid evil Christian Republicans are so stupid and evil.

Sorry but not sorry. I enjoyed posting this.

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POTD!

Lol... 4 pages of responses to a troll.

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Madman said:

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Lets go to burning man and talk about the evil right and their abuse of mother earth and waste of natural resources




The good people at Davos and their nearly 1000 private jets agree



Cuz we iz gonna savez the planet with our lithium and cobalt mines powered by child slave labor.





Sleep well and dream of the communist utopia thats almost here.



Stupid evil Christian Republicans are so stupid and evil.

Sorry but not sorry. I enjoyed posting this.

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Stop! Stop! He's already dead!

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Well, I don't know about that. My experience with liberals is there are no brain waves so they're technically already dead. They're walking zombies and you can't kill a zombie. Don't worry, he'll still rise from his earth napping place.

NoahAg said:

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Madman said:

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Lets go to burning man and talk about the evil right and their abuse of mother earth and waste of natural resources




The good people at Davos and their nearly 1000 private jets agree



Cuz we iz gonna savez the planet with our lithium and cobalt mines powered by child slave labor.





Sleep well and dream of the communist utopia thats almost here.



Stupid evil Christian Republicans are so stupid and evil.

Sorry but not sorry. I enjoyed posting this.

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Stop! Stop! He's already dead!

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Just enjoying the responses. Only a handful actually addressed my question. The rest of y'all are attacking strawmen. It's fine though.