Jumpseat pilot tries to shut down engines

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Martin Q. Blank
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10:22a, 10/23/23
https://simpleflying.com/alaska-airlines-jumpseat-passenger-tries-shut-down-engines/


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An Alaska Airlines Embraer E175 was forced to divert from its flight path, as a person sitting in the flight deck jump seat attempted to shut down the aircraft's engines. The flight, operated by Horizon Air, safely diverted to Portland International Airport (PDX) on October 22, 2023.
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10:28a, 10/23/23
Weird. Jump seats are normally airline employees right?

Like a flight attendant or pilot in transit?
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In reply to Martin Q. Blank • 10:32a, 10/23/23
Incredible how cool and collected these guys are
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In reply to Fightin_Aggie • 10:32a, 10/23/23
Fightin_Aggie said:
Weird. Jump seats are normally airline employees right?

Like a flight attendant or pilot in transit?


FedEx Flight 705
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In reply to Fightin_Aggie • 10:32a, 10/23/23
Yes. Someone deadheading.
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In reply to chickencoupe16 • 10:33a, 10/23/23
Yeah that's an insane story.
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10:35a, 10/23/23
Joseph David Emerson, Alaska Airlines pilot
plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
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10:45a, 10/23/23
Aloha snackbar attempt?
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In reply to Martin Q. Blank • 11:17a, 10/23/23
OK I got it. I looked up the Federal Express 705 flight story. Unrelated to this one.
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In reply to chickencoupe16 • 11:19a, 10/23/23
chickencoupe16 said:
Fightin_Aggie said:
Weird. Jump seats are normally airline employees right?

Like a flight attendant or pilot in transit?


FedEx Flight 705
Was going to mention that. None of the flight crew has even flown again because of their injuries. The attempted hijacker is serving life in club fed.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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11:24a, 10/23/23
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PORTLAND, Ore. A flight from Everett to San Francisco was diverted to Portland Sunday night due to a "credible security threat" involving an off-duty Alaska Airlines pilot.

Alaska Airlines said in a statement to KOMO News Monday morning the incident happened on Alaska Airlines Flight 2059, which was operated by Horizon Air. The airline said the crew members on the flight "reported a credible security threat related to an authorized occupant in the flight deck jump seat."

The flight from Seattle Paine Field International Airport in Everett to San Francisco was diverted to Portland International Airport where it landed safely. Alaska Air said in a statement the crew "secured the aircraft without incident." ABC News reported the suspect was an off-duty pilot.

According to booking information from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, 44-year-old man was taken into custody and booked into jail just after 4 a.m. Monday. The arrest was made by the Port of Portland Police Department, which serves as law enforcement for Portland International Airport.

The man is facing 83 charges of attempted murder, a charge of endangering an aircraft and several other charges of reckless endangerment.

The Port of Portland told KATU KOMO's sister station in Portland the case had been assigned to the FBI.
https://komonews.com/news/local/alaska-airlines-arrest-pilot-cockpit-jump-seat-flight-deck-everett-san-francisco-portland-seattle-washington-oregon-california-security-threat-credible-police-port-fbi-investigation-charges-attempted-murder-reckless-endangerment-aircraft-jail-multnomah
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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11:27a, 10/23/23
Let's see if this complete psycho gets thrown in solitary without a trial date in 1000 days.
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11:52a, 10/23/23
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In reply to Fightin_Aggie • 11:54a, 10/23/23
Fightin_Aggie said:
Weird. Jump seats are normally airline employees right?

Like a flight attendant or pilot in transit?
Yeah, but it's in Portland. Make sense now?
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12:29p, 10/23/23
That will a large number of attempted murder charges.
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12:35p, 10/23/23
Wasn't it an Alaska Air maintenance worker or ramp agent that stole a plane a couple years ago and flew a couple loopty-loops and other crazy acrobatics before just lawn darting the thing?
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12:39p, 10/23/23
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a validated jump seat passenger attempting to disable aircraft engines while at cruise altitude by deploying the engine fire suppression system.
Ahh.

I was a little confused. I didn't see how shutting the engines down would be a problem at altitude. Just relight and go.

But if you dumped foam or whatever they do for fire suppression, that might make a relight hard or impossible.
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In reply to Kenneth_2003 • 12:43p, 10/23/23
Kenneth_2003 said:
Wasn't it an Alaska Air maintenance worker or ramp agent that stole a plane a couple years ago and flew a couple loopty-loops and other crazy acrobatics before just lawn darting the thing?


That was Horizon Air, out of Seattle.
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12:43p, 10/23/23
In before a certain airline pilot tells us it is not in the handbook / instruction manual for a jumpseat rider to attack the pilots.

BTW - The FedEx story is one for the ages. The "Air Disasters" episode on it is absolute crazy. Dude was determine, fortunately the other guys were more committed.

This **** is crazy but has to be dealt with as a one off. Only change may be to psych evals. But the German guy showed that is not all that great due to privacy laws.
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In reply to aggietony2010 • 12:48p, 10/23/23
aggietony2010 said:
Kenneth_2003 said:
Wasn't it an Alaska Air maintenance worker or ramp agent that stole a plane a couple years ago and flew a couple loopty-loops and other crazy acrobatics before just lawn darting the thing?


That was Horizon Air, out of Seattle.
Horizon Air operates for Alaska Airlines.
The big guys use these smaller companies as their regional carriers to increase their slot times at major airports
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In reply to Kenneth_2003 • 12:50p, 10/23/23
Kenneth_2003 said:
aggietony2010 said:
Kenneth_2003 said:
Wasn't it an Alaska Air maintenance worker or ramp agent that stole a plane a couple years ago and flew a couple loopty-loops and other crazy acrobatics before just lawn darting the thing?


That was Horizon Air, out of Seattle.
Horizon Air operates for Alaska Airlines.
The big guys use these smaller companies as their regional carriers to increase their slot times at major airports


Makes sense, I'm no expert on this stuff, I just remember reading the story a few months back for some reason, and remembered it being "Horizon Air."
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12:54p, 10/23/23
If they can pause reviewing the maga hat wearers, maybe they should deep screen all the DEI hires the last few years.
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In reply to JFABNRGR • 1:01p, 10/23/23
JFABNRGR said:
If they can pause reviewing the maga hat wearers, maybe they should deep screen all the DEI hires the last few years.
The guy was 44, so not likely to be a diversity hire. Especially being male and named Joseph David Emerson.

My guess is that he had some life crisis, like divorce or bankruptcy or multiple problems.
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1:06p, 10/23/23
What I don't get is why this pilot would do this on a jump seat flight. If he is suicidal, it would have been easier to do it when he was in the pilot seat. Thank God he failed.
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In reply to The Kraken • 1:08p, 10/23/23
The Kraken said:
Joseph David Emerson, Alaska Airlines pilot

Twitter is blocking that account
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1:22p, 10/23/23
Did anybody check to see if that F'er was real or not? Crazy airplane lady could have called him out before he ever breeched the cockpit...
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In reply to JFABNRGR • 1:24p, 10/23/23
JFABNRGR said:
If they can pause reviewing the maga hat wearers, maybe they should deep screen all the DEI hires the last few years.
So being a DEI hire would be a likely reason for this person to go nutso? No one is filtering 'MAGA hat wearers'....unless they actually worn one in the interview and started shouting 'election fraud' out of the blue. Airlines are desperate for pilots. If anything they need to do not just mental health screens on new hires, but current ones as well (every now an then).
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In reply to Kansas Kid • 1:26p, 10/23/23
Kansas Kid said:
What I don't get is why this pilot would do this on a jump seat flight. If he is suicidal, it would have been easier to do it when he was in the pilot seat. Thank God he failed.
A pilot did this on Germanwings Flight 9525. Waited for the captain to go to the bathroom and locked the cockpit door. Crashed into the side of a mountain. 150 people died.
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In reply to The Kraken • 1:47p, 10/23/23
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Joseph David Emerson, Alaska Airlines pilot
Looks like exclusively tweeting at Democrat politicians about labor union issues. Disgruntled employee?
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C@LAg said:
CanyonAg77 said:
The Kraken said:
Joseph David Emerson, Alaska Airlines pilot

Twitter is blocking that account
works for me
I guess I need to break down and get an account. Some Twitter (X) posts I can see, some I can't.
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In reply to Martin Q. Blank • 2:38p, 10/23/23
Martin Q. Blank said:
Kansas Kid said:
What I don't get is why this pilot would do this on a jump seat flight. If he is suicidal, it would have been easier to do it when he was in the pilot seat. Thank God he failed.
A pilot did this on Germanwings Flight 9525. Waited for the captain to go to the bathroom and locked the cockpit door. Crashed into the side of a mountain. 150 people died.

Exactly which thankfully he didn't think to do something similar. It is all but impossible to stop a pilot that is suicidal from taking a plane down if they plan it at all. Fortunately, it is very rare.
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In reply to Kansas Kid • 2:40p, 10/23/23
Kansas Kid said:
What I don't get is why this pilot would do this on a jump seat flight. If he is suicidal, it would have been easier to do it when he was in the pilot seat. Thank God he failed.
Hated the airline?

Hated passengers?

His survivors get a big payout if he dies on a plane, but not if he shoots himself in the head?

One of the anal orifices like school shooters who want to "go out in a blaze of glory"?
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4:45p, 10/23/23
I'm gonna take a wild guess and say his piloting days are over.

Joseph David Emerson: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know (heavy.com)
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In reply to txaggieacct85 • 4:54p, 10/23/23
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I'm gonna take a wild guess and say his piloting days are over.

Joseph David Emerson: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know (heavy.com)

As are his days of playing with his kids.
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