Deborah Birx from her memoir, explaining how "two weeks to flatten the curve" was just marketing for harsh, months-long lockdowns that she was really planning:

"On Monday and Tuesday [March 9th and 10th, 2020]…we worked simultaneously to develop the flatten-the-curve guidance I…

— Kevin Bass PhD MS (@kevinnbass) October 21, 2023

She should be in prison. Trump is also a gullible mark and we all paid the price for it.

Trump was way in over his head when it came to this and failed miserably......his handling of Covid and the vax should disqualify him from ever being President again. His supporters will never come to admit it though.

Inside every liberal is a demonic totalitarian waiting to get out.

God willing, if Desantis wins, he should prosecute her and Fauci.

This is EXACTLY why the commander-in-chief needs to be someone who not only doesn't mind getting In the weeds on some things, but occasionally insists on getting in the weeds on some things.

Fine, she admits she misled the Trump administration about the 2-weeks declaration. They were hoodwinked by someone that was supposed to be working with them. But when that lying ***** almost immediately comes back with a proposal to keep the lockdowns in place longer, that's when a true leader puts up his hand and says "Whoa, wait a minute" and dives into what's going on.

I'm glad my leader at the time in Florida had the intelligence, wherewithal, patience, and most importantly balls to do that. Too bad our nation as a whole didn't.

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I'm most definitely not a Trumper, but every time I see this type of post I chuckle. The entire world was on lockdown except for a few places. There is no way Trump or any other POTUS was going to overrule Fauci & the CDC (both still had credibility at that time) while people were dying from COVID, especially in an election year. I'm not going to say it was Trump's finest hour, but he was pretty much handcuffed.

POTUS is not Emperor.

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I knew it was all marketing.

Trump wasn't gullible, he was facing a MSM that would take her position and promote it.

We all heard that all of the Covid deaths were the fault of Trump. He did everything demanded of him by the corrupt NIH and yet it still fell on him.

Covid deaths were manufactured and there was literally nothing Trump could do. If he didn't play along, the election would have been lost in April. Instead, Democrats had to continue the hoax into mail-in ballots and school shutdowns.

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I'm confused. Is Trump so weak he can't stand up to people in his administration and successfully fight back against the media? Or is Trump a Proven Warrior who answers to no one and is going to defeat the Deep State in his second term?

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I knew it was all marketing.

Trump wasn't gullible, he was facing a MSM that would take her position and promote it.

We all heard that all of the Covid deaths were the fault of Trump. He did everything demanded of him by the corrupt NIH and yet it still fell on him.

Covid deaths were manufactured and there was literally nothing Trump could do. If he didn't play along, the election would have been lost in April. Instead, Democrats had to continue the hoax into mail-in ballots and school shutdowns.

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So Trump knew it was all BS but went along anyway because he was scared of bad press? Ah, well then I was wrong. He is clearly the leader we need to stand up to the Deep State because surely they won't manufacture another crisis and pressure him to do their bidding.

BTW, if Trump wasn't a mark and knew what was going on maybe you can explain to me why he gave Birx a medal on his last day in office?

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Trump was way in over his head when it came to this and failed miserably......his handling of Covid and the vax should disqualify him from ever being President again. His supporters will never come to admit it though.

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If you just have to blame Trump, then blame is naivety in trusting that our federal government had well thought out, well prepared for plans to deal with a pandemic. Not corrupt, self-serving dolts like Faucia, Birx and others, not a bare cupboard from Obama, not a media and 2/3rds of the government working against you and undermining any authority you tried to have.

He could have been more aggressive in the beginning, he could have done a ceremonial but ineffective veto to stop the spread, he could have thrown in the towel on any thoughts of reelection, fired everyone in Washington, and then tried to figure out a new path forward, with no funding, an angry press, people out of work, scared, sick, etc.

The Monday morning quarterbacking is less than humorous and totally ineffective / waste of time at this point. Trump wasn't in over his head, he was naive in thinking there were still at least 1 or 2 good people left in Washington, DC. Turns out were there no good people, most of the bad people were disciples of Satan.

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Trump was way in over his head when it came to this and failed miserably......his handling of Covid and the vax should disqualify him from ever being President again. His supporters will never come to admit it though.

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Dude.....literally every MSM outlet, alphabet agency, social media company, and "expert" was spouting the same nonsense and programming the populace en masse. You have individuals who were calling for cpncentration camps for chrissakes.

We have on record how they all colluded to spread lies to the public in order to create these massive lockdowns and create terror within our own population.

COVID was a literal terrorist psyop by the beaurocracy within the federal government.

Everyone on the boards has seen how the global propaganda machine can subvert the truth (Hunter's laptop, global warming, the vaccine, January 6th etc)

No politician or president could have fought all the things at once. We are at a point where the alphabet agencies and corporations now run our government.

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Trump was way in over his head when it came to this and failed miserably......his handling of Covid and the vax should disqualify him from ever being President again. His supporters will never come to admit it though.

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I'm most definitely not a Trumper, but every time I see this type of post I chuckle. The entire world was on lockdown except for a few places. There is no way Trump or any other POTUS was going to overrule Fauci & the CDC (both still had credibility at that time) while people were dying from COVID, especially in an election year. I'm not going to say it was Trump's finest hour, but he was pretty much handcuffed.

POTUS is not Emperor.

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Yes, it's too much to expect that Trump could be as brave as the Swedes.

We destroyed the economy, and still lost the election.

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Trump was way in over his head when it came to this and failed miserably......his handling of Covid and the vax should disqualify him from ever being President again. His supporters will never come to admit it though.

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What? "More testing"?

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Trump was way in over his head when it came to this and failed miserably......his handling of Covid and the vax should disqualify him from ever being President again. His supporters will never come to admit it though.

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I'm most definitely not a Trumper, but every time I see this type of post I chuckle. The entire world was on lockdown except for a few places. There is no way Trump or any other POTUS was going to overrule Fauci & the CDC (both still had credibility at that time) while people were dying from COVID, especially in an election year. I'm not going to say it was Trump's finest hour, but he was pretty much handcuffed.

POTUS is not Emperor.

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Sweden is different...it's an isolated country with a homogenous population able to control what media their populace consumes and their beaurocracy did not have a vested interest in the lockdowns.

You are comparing apples and spaceships.

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Trump was way in over his head when it came to this and failed miserably......his handling of Covid and the vax should disqualify him from ever being President again. His supporters will never come to admit it though.

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He really had little choice but to go along.

You may be too young to remember Cindy Sheehan. She was the face of a campaign to destroy George W by giving the MSM daily opportunity to show W in a negative light and killer of her baby son. They ran daily body bag counts up until Obama took over and then suddenly the counts just stopped.

They did the same things with Covid and Trump. When the Democrats own the MSM, Fake News will always win.

What made Trump appealing to so many Republicans was that Trump was willing to fight back against the Democrats and Fake News, but it will eventually get you. They ran daily body bag counts up until Biden took over and then suddenly the counts just stopped.

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This would make perfect sense if we didn't have the example of a Governor from Florida who stood up and fought back once he saw the ruse. He was hammered day after day. He was called "Deathsantis". They ran special body count numbers in Florida. They publicized a guy who wore a death costume on the beaches as a cult icon.

I mean if you just don't care and think that THIS TIME Trump will stand up to the MSM and Dems when they pressure him that's your call.

And people wonder why no one trusts anything the White House, FBI, CIA, DOJ etc etc have to say.

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Trump was way in over his head when it came to this and failed miserably......his handling of Covid and the vax should disqualify him from ever being President again. His supporters will never come to admit it though.

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I'm most definitely not a Trumper, but every time I see this type of post I chuckle. The entire world was on lockdown except for a few places. There is no way Trump or any other POTUS was going to overrule Fauci & the CDC (both still had credibility at that time) while people were dying from COVID, especially in an election year. I'm not going to say it was Trump's finest hour, but he was pretty much handcuffed.

POTUS is not Emperor.

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Yes, it's too much to expect that Trump could be as brave as the Swedes.

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Sweden is different...it's an isolated country with a homogenous population able to control what media their populace consumes and their beaurocracy did not have a vested interest in the lockdowns.

You are comparing apples and spaceships.

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All Trump had to do was stick to what he promised with "2 Weeks to Stop the Spread". It was not about stopping the virus it was about PREPARING for the virus. Unfortunately he got scared and then bought into Birx and Fauci telling him he would be a hero by developing a vaccine with Operation Warp Speed.

He is a freaking mark and how he fell for that after 3 years of the Swamp trying to destroy him every day is just mind boggling. It's even more mind boggling that people here can't see the obvious truth because that would mean holding Trump accountable.

I understand the people who say we had no choice. I disagree with them, because the outcome was still republicans losing and our dollar becoming worthless, but I get why they say it.

My issue is with anyone who still argues that our initial response was great. People making these excuses now will put us back in the exact same position when the next manufactured crisis arises. We need to hold the liars and lockdown tyrants accountable, and anyone who still argues vaccines were necessary needs to never hold office again.

trump trotted these people out and let them lead our country to where it is now

best people

yet some want this guy again after he let these two shut us down and forced a vaxx on the market without testinf

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Trump was way in over his head when it came to this and failed miserably......his handling of Covid and the vax should disqualify him from ever being President again. His supporters will never come to admit it though.

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I'm most definitely not a Trumper, but every time I see this type of post I chuckle. The entire world was on lockdown except for a few places. There is no way Trump or any other POTUS was going to overrule Fauci & the CDC (both still had credibility at that time) while people were dying from COVID, especially in an election year. I'm not going to say it was Trump's finest hour, but he was pretty much handcuffed.

POTUS is not Emperor.

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Yes, it's too much to expect that Trump could be as brave as the Swedes.

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Sweden is different...it's an isolated country with a homogenous population able to control what media their populace consumes and their beaurocracy did not have a vested interest in the lockdowns.

You are comparing apples and spaceships.

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Not at all. The Swedish model was very much a discussion point at the time, I remember it all too well. Instead Trump hammered Sweden and talked about what they were doing was terrible.

BTW, if you hadn't noticed Sweden isn't homogeneous anymore, it's got a crapton of immigrants there now and if anything they have a FAR more authoritarian governmental system.

So just to be clear though, had Trump pushed for re-opening then you wouldn't have backed him? Why is it that people were relocating to states that didn't lockdown in droves? You think that was a bad strategy?

When the country needed a strong leader with real ideas he folded like a cheap suit.

Remember before everything started rolling and he tried to appoint Pence to lead the effort against Covid, then back tracked quickly? I do.

Did he ever consider the economic damage that shutting down the economy for everyone to go on a two week vacation would cause? Or was he just elated that the Fed would print trillions to flood everything with cheap money so the stock market would look good for re-election?

He was supposed to be a genius billionaire with a deep understanding of how the system works to guide us through unprecedented challenges, what we got was thousands of failed businesses, multiple bankruptcies, fraud on a massive scale through stimulus checks and PPP Loans, and the top 1% making out like barons.

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Trump was way in over his head when it came to this and failed miserably......his handling of Covid and the vax should disqualify him from ever being President again. His supporters will never come to admit it though.

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Which global leader succeeded and handled it well? They were lied to by Fauci and the WHO.

How would he have known differently?

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Trump was way in over his head when it came to this and failed miserably......his handling of Covid and the vax should disqualify him from ever being President again. His supporters will never come to admit it though.

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If you just have to blame Trump, then blame is naivety in trusting that our federal government had well thought out, well prepared for plans to deal with a pandemic. Not corrupt, self-serving dolts like Faucia, Birx and others, not a bare cupboard from Obama, not a media and 2/3rds of the government working against you and undermining any authority you tried to have.

He could have been more aggressive in the beginning, he could have done a ceremonial but ineffective veto to stop the spread, he could have thrown in the towel on any thoughts of reelection, fired everyone in Washington, and then tried to figure out a new path forward, with no funding, an angry press, people out of work, scared, sick, etc.

The Monday morning quarterbacking is less than humorous and totally ineffective / waste of time at this point. Trump wasn't in over his head, he was naive in thinking there were still at least 1 or 2 good people left in Washington, DC. Turns out were there no good people, most of the bad people were disciples of Satan.

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This is EXACTLY what I am doing. Somehow after all of the Deep State attacks for 3 years Trump still trusted the longest serving Swamp rat in the entire Federal Government to be an honest broker. He is a freaking mark. That's the point.

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Inside every liberal is a demonic totalitarian waiting to get out.

God willing, if Desantis wins, he should prosecute her and Fauci.

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No matter who is elected, that won't happen. So give up on that dream.

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Inside every liberal is a demonic totalitarian waiting to get out.

God willing, if Desantis wins, he should prosecute her and Fauci.

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No matter who is elected, that won't happen. So give up on that dream.

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Sure it can happen, you just have to clean out the FBI first and have a real plan to do it. Only one man not only has a plan but has the right people around him to do it and it sure as hell isn't Trump. This is what Trump is doing.

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Trump puts Pence in charge of coronavirus response
02/26/2020 06:58 PM EST

President Donald Trump on Wednesday appointed Vice President Mike Pence to lead a task force to combat the spread of the coronavirus, defying calls to appoint an outside expert to coordinate the response.

Speaking during a rare appearance in the White House briefing room, Trump said Pence's experience handling health crises as Indiana governor qualified him to spearhead the growing threat of a global coronavirus outbreak. The move came as the Centers for Disease Control confirmed a coronavirus infection in California that was not linked to overseas travel, a concerning development that brought the total number of U.S. infections to 15.

The White House had been weighing the appointment of a coronavirus czar in the lead up of the announcement as it faced criticism over its inconsistent messaging during the emerging crisis. Still, Trump said Pence would not be a "czar" because "he is a part of the administration." Instead, he will apparently oversee the task force currently managing Trump's response to the virus.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/26/trump-puts-pence-in-charge-of-coronavirus-response-117790

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If Texags started picking up on Covid back in Jan 2020. The CIA and NSA sure as hell knew there was trouble brewing in China well before then.



Trump was grasping at straws from the very get go.

The most depressing part is that all leftists and far too many people claiming to be conservatives can look at examples like this and still have no issue with how much power our federal government has. It's disgusting the level of contempt our government has for its people.

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Trump was way in over his head when it came to this and failed miserably......his handling of Covid and the vax should disqualify him from ever being President again. His supporters will never come to admit it though.

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I'm most definitely not a Trumper, but every time I see this type of post I chuckle. The entire world was on lockdown except for a few places. There is no way Trump or any other POTUS was going to overrule Fauci & the CDC (both still had credibility at that time) while people were dying from COVID, especially in an election year. I'm not going to say it was Trump's finest hour, but he was pretty much handcuffed.

POTUS is not Emperor.

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Yes, it's too much to expect that Trump could be as brave as the Swedes.

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Sweden is different...it's an isolated country with a homogenous population able to control what media their populace consumes and their beaurocracy did not have a vested interest in the lockdowns.

You are comparing apples and spaceships.

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All Trump had to do was stick to what he promised with "2 Weeks to Stop the Spread". It was not about stopping the virus it was about PREPARING for the virus. Unfortunately he got scared and then bought into Birx and Fauci telling him he would be a hero by developing a vaccine with Operation Warp Speed.

He is a freaking mark and how he fell for that after 3 years of the Swamp trying to destroy him every day is just mind boggling. It's even more mind boggling that people here can't see the obvious truth because that would mean holding Trump accountable.

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Cool. Name a politician you believe would have been able to fight the combined political pressure of the MSM, social media companies, alphabet agencies, their own party, and "experts" while under investigation for impeachment on trumped up and imaginary charges.

Without getting Kennedy'd or Raegan'ed by the FBI/CIA/NSA
Go ahead.

I will wait.

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Trump was way in over his head when it came to this and failed miserably......his handling of Covid and the vax should disqualify him from ever being President again. His supporters will never come to admit it though.

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I'm most definitely not a Trumper, but every time I see this type of post I chuckle. The entire world was on lockdown except for a few places. There is no way Trump or any other POTUS was going to overrule Fauci & the CDC (both still had credibility at that time) while people were dying from COVID, especially in an election year. I'm not going to say it was Trump's finest hour, but he was pretty much handcuffed.

POTUS is not Emperor.

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Yes, it's too much to expect that Trump could be as brave as the Swedes.

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Sweden is different...it's an isolated country with a homogenous population able to control what media their populace consumes and their beaurocracy did not have a vested interest in the lockdowns.

You are comparing apples and spaceships.

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All Trump had to do was stick to what he promised with "2 Weeks to Stop the Spread". It was not about stopping the virus it was about PREPARING for the virus. Unfortunately he got scared and then bought into Birx and Fauci telling him he would be a hero by developing a vaccine with Operation Warp Speed.

He is a freaking mark and how he fell for that after 3 years of the Swamp trying to destroy him every day is just mind boggling. It's even more mind boggling that people here can't see the obvious truth because that would mean holding Trump accountable.

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Cool. Name a politician you believe would have been able to fight the combined political pressure of the MSM, social media companies, alphabet agencies, their own party, and "experts" while under investigation for impeachment on trumped up and imaginary charges.

Without getting Kennedy'd or Raegan'ed by the FBI/CIA/NSA
Go ahead.

I will wait.

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Ron DeSantis. He proved he was willing to stand up to everyone in Florida time and again.

To be fair though it can't be 100% proven. We have no question that Trump will fold though, again.

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I knew it was all marketing.

Trump wasn't gullible, he was facing a MSM that would take her position and promote it.

We all heard that all of the Covid deaths were the fault of Trump. He did everything demanded of him by the corrupt NIH and yet it still fell on him.

Covid deaths were manufactured and there was literally nothing Trump could do. If he didn't play along, the election would have been lost in April. Instead, Democrats had to continue the hoax into mail-in ballots and school shutdowns.

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I'm confused. Is Trump so weak he can't stand up to people in his administration and successfully fight back against the media? Or is Trump a Proven Warrior who answers to no one and is going to defeat the Deep State in his second term?

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It isn't surprising that it confuses you.

Trump fought against the Democrats and the MSM up until they put the election in jeopardy for by beating the drum of baby killer. And they had a name and a face. He made a small pivot "two weeks to flatten the curve" that ultimately was a bell that could never be unrung.

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Trump....a Proven Warrior until the going gets tough and he has something to lose!! Then he folds like a cheap suit!

Awesome, definitely the man to change the government this time around.

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Trump wasn't gullible, he was facing a MSM that would take her position and promote it.

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This is a massive cope. Trump and the media were always adversaries, including during this COVID. He slammed competent governors who led their state through the crisis and promoted the same garbage lies that Fauci and Birx wanted. Do remember that the vaccines were his crowning achievement, too.

Trump failed during COVID, and anyone who cares about holding our tyrannical government actors accountable should include him, too.

Anyone who believed the government would stick to the two weeks thing is a fool. I told my wife immediately when I heard that, that there's no way this only lasts two weeks….it'll be months at least.

Reason number 3,986,873 why not to trust the government. This should have never been tolerated from the very start.

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Anyone who believed the government would stick to the two weeks thing is a fool. I told my wife immediately when I heard that, that there's no way this only lasts two weeks….it'll be months at least.

Reason number 3,986,873 why not to trust the government. This should have never been tolerated from the very start.

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This is why Trump lost me. I was gullible enough to trust him that he would stand up and re-open after 2 weeks. I didn't trust the Government but I trusted him.

I learned from my mistake though, many here don't seem to want to. They seem to have conceded that there is no way to fight the Deep State so we might as well just not even try. In the meantime let's just go with Trump because "he is inevitable".