what is going to take us into WWIII?

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Krombopulos Michael
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This country has a LONG history of military actions throughout the world. The link has a comprehensive list of pretty much every conflict where we've been involved. Lots of little skirmishes are classified as "war".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States


The big wars in our history seem to all have an well remembered event/scenario that switched public opinion from opposed/neutral to full warhawk mode.

Of course each conflict has all sorts of details and specifics that led up to the fighting but for the most part we have a definite starting points.
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Revolutionary War
The Boston Massacre was a deadly riot that occurred on March 5, 1770, on King Street in Boston. It began as a street brawl between American colonists and a lone British soldier, but quickly escalated to a chaotic, bloody slaughter. The conflict energized anti-British sentiment and paved the way for the American Revolution.

Spanish American War
On February 15, 1898, a mysterious explosion destroyed the American battleship Maine in Havana Harbor and helped propel the United States into a war with Spain. The USS Maine was in Cuba, officially, on a mission of friendly courtesy and, incidentally, to protect American lives and property in the event that Cuba's struggle for independence from Spain might escalate into full-blown warfare. "Yet," writes author Tom Miller, "the visit was neither spontaneous nor altruistic; the United States had been eyeing Cuba for almost a century."

WW1
On May 7, 1915, a German U-boat torpedoed the British-owned luxury steamship Lusitania, killing 1,195 people including 128 Americans, according to the Library of Congress. The disaster immediately strained relations between Germany and the neutral United States, fueled anti-German sentiment and set off a chain of events that eventually led to the United States entering WW1.

WW2
Pearl Harbor is a U.S. naval base near Honolulu, Hawaii, that was the scene of a devastating surprise attack by Japanese forces on December 7, 1941. Just before 8 a.m. on that Sunday morning, hundreds of Japanese fighter planes descended on the base, where they managed to destroy or damage nearly 20 American naval vessels, including eight battleships, and over 300 airplanes. More than 2,400 Americans died in the attack, including civilians, and another 1,000 people were wounded. The day after the assault, President Franklin D. Roosevelt asked Congress to declare war on Japan.

Vietnam War
The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution authorized President Lyndon Johnson to "take all necessary measures to repel any armed attack against the forces of the United States and to prevent further aggression" by the communist government of North Vietnam. It was passed on August 7, 1964, by the U.S. Congress after an alleged attack on two U.S. naval destroyers stationed off the coast of Vietnam. The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution effectively launched America's full-scale involvement in the Vietnam War.

WOT
On September 11, 2001a clear, sunny, late summer dayal Qaeda terrorists aboard three hijacked passenger planes carried out coordinated suicide attacks against the World Trade Center in New York City and the Pentagon in Washington, D.C., killing everyone on board the planes and nearly 3,000 people on the ground. A fourth plane crashed into a field near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, killing all on board, after
passengers and crew attempted to wrest control from the hijackers.

I haven't seen any opinion polls but I am guessing the country leans against jumping into another conflict OR just don't care / they've got more important things to worry about.

The Hamas/Israel conflict seems to have shifted US opinion toward war-hawk but there doesn't seem to a large majority banging war drums. 10/7/23 (or is it 7/10/23?) will be Israel's kickoff event, I don't think this is going to be ours.


Big question is: What would it take to get this country to shift into full scale war mode? Would sinking a destroyer in the Red Sea be all that it takes or would it need to be a larger scale Pearl Harbor/9/11 type event?
TexAgs91
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America has been destroyed and replaced by a burgeoning marxist government. (I say this because we've lost free and fair elections and our Constitution is not being enforced)

Getting our country back should be the highest priority.
Squadron7
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An underdose of Donepezil?
nortex97
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"Electing" Joe biden sort of has the ship heading that way, I'd say.
Funky Winkerbean
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Democrats
Rossticus
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rocky the dog
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Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
whatthehey78
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Path to war...you left out greed, i.e., "the love of $$". Someone, somewhere is forecasting potential PROFITS.

Oh...and "stupidity" or "man's inhumanity to man".
cecil77
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Every 4th Turning for 600 years has been resolved with bullets. That's doesn't guarantee that this one will, but it's the way to bet.
Jeeper79
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cecil77 said:

Every 4th Turning for 600 years has been resolved with bullets. That's doesn't guarantee that this one will, but it's the way to bet.
Bullets have only existed for 200 years.
cecil77
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Jeeper79 said:

cecil77 said:

Every 4th Turning for 600 years has been resolved with bullets. That's doesn't guarantee that this one will, but it's the way to bet.
Bullets have only existed for 200 years.

Fair point.

Amend to "projectiles intended to kill people".

But actually, firearms were used in the 1400s in European wars.
Rossticus
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cecil77 said:

Jeeper79 said:

cecil77 said:

Every 4th Turning for 600 years has been resolved with bullets. That's doesn't guarantee that this one will, but it's the way to bet.
Bullets have only existed for 200 years.

Fair point.

Amend to "projectiles intended to kill people".

But actually, firearms were used in the 1400s in European wars.


And cannons beginning in the 1100s-1200s in China.
sharpdressedman
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Unfortunately, I see a path to the USA being drawn into a very broad, if not total world war.

If Hez attacks Israel from the north and makes headway, using air power from the two carrier groups may be the only way to save Israel. That would likely cause Iran to initiate attacks on US forces in Iraq and Syria.

Since Iran is the evil shot caller, an attack on Iran by Israel and/or the USA would induce full retaliation by Iran with Russia's support.

Moreover, terrorist sleeper cells that have infiltrated the USA during the past three years would activate country wide and uncontrolled chaos would result.

In only a moment, the current conflict between Israel and Hamas could become a global war.

I pray that my theory is completely wrong.

Spelling edit.
jabberwalkie09
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sharpdressedman said:

Moreover, terrorist sleeper cells that have infiltrated the USA during the past three years would activate country wide and uncontrolled chaos would result.
Probably longer than just the last 3 years for infiltration.
Johnny Park!
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We need to go ahead and get it over with Iran. Now or never - they are close to having nukes.

They sponsor the barbarism we saw from Hamas, and if you think there will be a diplomatic solution to any of this, you are kidding yourself.
whatthehey78
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Johnny Park! said:

We need to go ahead and get it over with Iran. Now or never - they are close to having nukes.

They sponsor the barbarism we saw from Hamas, and if you think there will be a diplomatic solution to any of this, you are kidding yourself.
Just not convinced Iran doesn't already have them...acquired from allies (?) in their realm. Perhaps why so much bravado on their part??
TTUArmy
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Prophecy
Kenneth_2003
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Well... In the history of world wars we're typically casually late to the party. Though we typically support one side by proxy for a while before officially getting involved.

So that puts us early middle of the timeline. I think some additional alliances need to be drawn first.
EskimoJoe
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I was told by several enlightened people and concerned moderates that Trump is going to lead us into WW3. Is Trump leading us into WW3?
pacecar02
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That makes for an interesting supposition

What if the US had gone all in sooner, in both wars?
TA-OP
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EskimoJoe said:

I was told by several enlightened people and concerned moderates that Trump is going to lead us into WW3. Is Trump leading us into WW3?
Spitballing, but possibly indirectly. MAGA has Congress frozen and we can't even approve the aid Biden is asking for if we wanted to.
B-1 83
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TA-OP said:

EskimoJoe said:

I was told by several enlightened people and concerned moderates that Trump is going to lead us into WW3. Is Trump leading us into WW3?
Spitballing, but possibly indirectly. MAGA has Congress frozen and we can't even approve the aid Biden is asking for if we wanted to.
That's all according to plan……a big big plan……the greatest plan ever! If you don't understand it, you're just making yourself look stupid.*


*So I was told when I called out this ill-timed and ill-conceived **** show.
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
Mega Lops
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Giving our money out to undeserving countries is a good start.
45-70Ag
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Israel being invaded
China invading Taiwan
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sharpdressedman said:

Unfortunately, I see a path to the USA being drawn into a very broad, if not total world war.

If Hez attacks Israel from the north and makes headway, using air power from the two carrier groups may be the only way to save Israel. That would likely cause Iran to initiate attacks on US forces in Iraq and Syria.

Since Iran is the evil shot caller, an attack on Iran by Israel and/or the USA would induce full retaliation by Iran with Russia's support.

Moreover, terrorist sleeper cells that have infiltrated the USA during the past three years would activate country wide and uncontrolled chaos would result.

In only a moment, the current conflict between Israel and Hamas could become a global war.

I pray that my theory is completely wrong.

Spelling edit.
Russia wants to get into a 2 front war right now?
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B-1 83 said:

TA-OP said:

EskimoJoe said:

I was told by several enlightened people and concerned moderates that Trump is going to lead us into WW3. Is Trump leading us into WW3?
Spitballing, but possibly indirectly. MAGA has Congress frozen and we can't even approve the aid Biden is asking for if we wanted to.
That's all according to plan……a big big plan……the greatest plan ever! If you don't understand it, you're just making yourself look stupid.*


*So I was told when I called out this ill-timed and ill-conceived **** show.
And if that plan doesn't work out, THAT was also according to plan!
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Zergling Rush said:

This country has a LONG history of military actions throughout the world. The link has a comprehensive list of pretty much every conflict where we've been involved. Lots of little skirmishes are classified as "war".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States


The big wars in our history seem to all have an well remembered event/scenario that switched public opinion from opposed/neutral to full warhawk mode.

Of course each conflict has all sorts of details and specifics that led up to the fighting but for the most part we have a definite starting points.
Quote:

Revolutionary War
The Boston Massacre was a deadly riot that occurred on March 5, 1770, on King Street in Boston. It began as a street brawl between American colonists and a lone British soldier, but quickly escalated to a chaotic, bloody slaughter. The conflict energized anti-British sentiment and paved the way for the American Revolution.

Spanish American War
On February 15, 1898, a mysterious explosion destroyed the American battleship Maine in Havana Harbor and helped propel the United States into a war with Spain. The USS Maine was in Cuba, officially, on a mission of friendly courtesy and, incidentally, to protect American lives and property in the event that Cuba's struggle for independence from Spain might escalate into full-blown warfare. "Yet," writes author Tom Miller, "the visit was neither spontaneous nor altruistic; the United States had been eyeing Cuba for almost a century."

WW1
On May 7, 1915, a German U-boat torpedoed the British-owned luxury steamship Lusitania, killing 1,195 people including 128 Americans, according to the Library of Congress. The disaster immediately strained relations between Germany and the neutral United States, fueled anti-German sentiment and set off a chain of events that eventually led to the United States entering WW1.

WW2
Pearl Harbor is a U.S. naval base near Honolulu, Hawaii, that was the scene of a devastating surprise attack by Japanese forces on December 7, 1941. Just before 8 a.m. on that Sunday morning, hundreds of Japanese fighter planes descended on the base, where they managed to destroy or damage nearly 20 American naval vessels, including eight battleships, and over 300 airplanes. More than 2,400 Americans died in the attack, including civilians, and another 1,000 people were wounded. The day after the assault, President Franklin D. Roosevelt asked Congress to declare war on Japan.

Vietnam War
The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution authorized President Lyndon Johnson to "take all necessary measures to repel any armed attack against the forces of the United States and to prevent further aggression" by the communist government of North Vietnam. It was passed on August 7, 1964, by the U.S. Congress after an alleged attack on two U.S. naval destroyers stationed off the coast of Vietnam. The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution effectively launched America's full-scale involvement in the Vietnam War.

WOT
On September 11, 2001a clear, sunny, late summer dayal Qaeda terrorists aboard three hijacked passenger planes carried out coordinated suicide attacks against the World Trade Center in New York City and the Pentagon in Washington, D.C., killing everyone on board the planes and nearly 3,000 people on the ground. A fourth plane crashed into a field near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, killing all on board, after
passengers and crew attempted to wrest control from the hijackers.

I haven't seen any opinion polls but I am guessing the country leans against jumping into another conflict OR just don't care / they've got more important things to worry about.

The Hamas/Israel conflict seems to have shifted US opinion toward war-hawk but there doesn't seem to a large majority banging war drums. 10/7/23 (or is it 7/10/23?) will be Israel's kickoff event, I don't think this is going to be ours.


Big question is: What would it take to get this country to shift into full scale war mode? Would sinking a destroyer in the Red Sea be all that it takes or would it need to be a larger scale Pearl Harbor/9/11 type event?
Democrats ***edit: Funky W beat me to it but my sentiment still stands***

The wild card in this is the incompetence of the Biden Administration. We have seen that not only is there an Iranian spy ring in the State Department, there is widespread unrest within that same organization with agitators showing sympathy for a terrorist organization. This raises questions and serious doubts about the ability of that body to act according the the US's best interests.

You can also sprinkle in war hawks at the alphabet agencies and the possibility of there being a false flag to broaden the conflict (i.e. draw the US directly in). Profit-seeking in the defense industry is another unknown variable.
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LMCane
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Russia invading Poland
Old Sarge
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1. Power
2. Profit
3. Islam
"Green" is the new RED.
Krombopulos Michael
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TexAgs91 said:

America has been destroyed and replaced by a burgeoning marxist government. (I say this because we've lost free and fair elections and our Constitution is not being enforced)

Getting our country back should be the highest priority.

From the looks of it you are on the oppose/neutral side....and so are the stars. But our history shows that sediment can change quickly.


Probably should have asked in OP......What will it take for you to get 100% behind Biden and the "war effort"?


For instance.....rumors are circulating that a US soldier was killed in Syria last night. I haven't seen any confirmation. But there are all sorts of stories of bases being attacked in Iraq and Syria.

As heartless as it sounds, killing one soldier over in Syria isn't going to bring the US population into the war camp IMO. But at some point there is a number that could.

Losing more than soldiers 100, maybe? 1000 probably. Losing a carrier group to a hypersonic nuke would definitely do it.


Pumpkinhead
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Are you secretly hoping for WWIII? Got your money invested in a bunch of DOD contractor stocks?

As bad as it seems right now, it still isn't as bad as several periods since WWII ended. Of course, the Cuban Missile Crisis was arguable the closest we ever got to one.

There was also this infamous NATO exercise that apparently came pretty close to you perhaps not being around today to be typing on this message board to ask such a question:

[url=https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-1983-military-drill-that-nearly-sparked-nuclear-war-with-the-soviets-180979980/#:~:text=The%201983%20Military%20Drill%20That%20Nearly%20Sparked%20Nuclear%20War%20With%20the%20Soviets&text=In%20November%201983%2C%20during%20a,out%20of%20their%20NATO%20hangars.]Able Archer 83 Nearly Sparked Nuclear War With the Soviets | History| Smithsonian Magazine[/url]
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Pumpkinhead said:

Are you secretly hoping for WWIII? Got your money invested in a bunch of DOD contractor stocks?


Hey there now, calling someone a member of Congress is a pretty low blow..Let's keep it civil.
TexAgs91
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Zergling Rush said:

TexAgs91 said:

America has been destroyed and replaced by a burgeoning marxist government. (I say this because we've lost free and fair elections and our Constitution is not being enforced)

Getting our country back should be the highest priority.

From the looks of it you are on the oppose/neutral side....and so are the stars. But our history shows that sediment can change quickly.


Probably should have asked in OP......What will it take for you to get 100% behind Biden and the "war effort"?


For instance.....rumors are circulating that a US soldier was killed in Syria last night. I haven't seen any confirmation. But there are all sorts of stories of bases being attacked in Iraq and Syria.

As heartless as it sounds, killing one soldier over in Syria isn't going to bring the US population into the war camp IMO. But at some point there is a number that could.

Losing more than soldiers 100, maybe? 1000 probably. Losing a carrier group to a hypersonic nuke would definitely do it.



Actually I think we should protect Israel and go to war with Iran, who was behind the attack on our ally. George W should have already done that in the mid 2000s during the war on terror but I think was side tracked with the 2004 election. How can a "war on terror" leave Iran unscathed?

But who is "we"? Our government has been overrun by Marxists. From what I remember, they are the enemy correct?

No one should ever expect the enemy to act in our best interests (and unsurprisingly they have made it perfectly clear that they will not).

As much as I'd like to see the crap in the Middle East sorted out, we have a MAJOR problem. I'd like to get my country back. Wouldn't you?
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Everything America has done in the last century (WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Iraq, etc.) has had the effect of keeping "The West" (read: globalist Europeans) safe from Asia

But we've gone broke doing it. When you have $34Trillion in debt, you're broke as a joke, I don't care what puffed-up GDP numbers say.

We simply cannot afford another conflict or we are toast.
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David Happymountain said:

Giving our money out to undeserving countries is a good start.
We shouldn't be giving out money to other countries it all. If they need supplies, ship the supplies to them.

Giving them money vastly increases the probability of the aid going straight into someone's bank account.
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