I love you so much. No homosexual tendencies implied.

BigRobSA said:

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10thYrSr said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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10thYrSr said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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10thYrSr said:

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I suppose that is one take. The other take says that if she wins the nomination in a Republican state then she should win. What math are you using?

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She already lost a statewide vote for governor. Why would she win a statewide vote for Senator?

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She lost a statewide vote when the person in charge of counting the votes was her opponent? That's pretty bizarre.

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Okay so how does she prevent that next time?

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Probably by all of her lawsuits she has been filing against Katie Hobbs? All of the lawsuits some Republicans are calling fruitless and sour grapes?

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How can they be "fruitless" AND "sour grapes"?

Grapes are fruit, so, ipso facto e pluribus unum, even sour ones make them not fruitless.

Duh

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I thought they were a legume...

Waffledynamics said:

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10thYrSr said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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10thYrSr said:

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I suppose that is one take. The other take says that if she wins the nomination in a Republican state then she should win. What math are you using?

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She already lost a statewide vote for governor. Why would she win a statewide vote for Senator?

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She lost a statewide vote when the person in charge of counting the votes was her opponent? That's pretty bizarre.

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Okay so how does she prevent that next time?

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Employ Cyber Ronins rather than Ninjas, and on the front end rather than after the election. Also the samurai need to work on a contingency fee basis. You only get paid if you can overturn undesirable results.

Ag with kids said:

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10thYrSr said:

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Ag with kids said:

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10thYrSr said:

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I suppose that is one take. The other take says that if she wins the nomination in a Republican state then she should win. What math are you using?

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The same math that was used when she won the nomination in a Republican state and LOST last time???

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Here's how it goes: Republicans vote in a primary. That means that is the best candidate for Republicans. If that candidate doesn't win, it's probably likely no Republican would win. How is this math still troubling people?

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Other Republicans that won the primary DID win. So, winning the Republican nomination means it's entirely possible to win the general election.

However, she won the nomination and lost in a race that other Republicans won. Is that math understandable to you?

BTW, winning the primary does not mean they're the best candidate for the Republicans (to win the general election). It means they were the most popular choice for the Republicans.

However, as they say...remember, the enemy gets a vote, too.

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Arguing between best and popular is not really important in this scope. Popularity means getting the most votes which translates to winning elections typically and without electoral systems

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Grifts aren't going to grift themselves.

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In what way is she "grifting"?

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https://music.apple.com/us/album/81-million-votes-my-ass-single/1690675501

A Republican can win in AZ. It just needs to be the right kind of candidate. In the House races, the GOP received more votes than Masters and Lake. Yee had the most votes statewide in the treasurer race (the only statewide GOP candidate not to receive a Trump endorsement).

Nominating a Lake will turn off the middle and keep the Senate seat in Dem hands. Depending on how things shake out, there could be a sizable number of Republicans voting for Sinema, so she gets the seat over Gallego.

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10thYrSr said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Grifts aren't going to grift themselves.

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In what way is she "grifting"?

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https://music.apple.com/us/album/81-million-votes-my-ass-single/1690675501

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So she did all this for a single? She can't make money now? Grift seems to imply that she deceived people for the purpose of making money. Are you saying she didn't want to win, but instead she wanted to soak the Republican voters for money? Where is that money? Why is she fighting her "loss".

You guys like to toss around grift like people are just doing it for money or fame. Meanwhile you guys tolerate Lindsey Graham, McConnell and eye patch mcain and other warmongers who want to TRULY run a grift enriching themselves through wars fought and back channel funneling of money.

Lake was up double digits heading into election day, -700 in the offfshore odds, and going up against a lunatic that wouldn't even debate her. Then 30,000 voting machines in the biggest county in the state suddenly go down conveniently on the final day of voting as Republicans head to the polls.

Yeah, she really lost that one fair and square.

How many examples would you like?

Why are you getting so bent out of shape defending an Obama and Hillary supporter anyways? What made her change her ways? How did she go from crying about Hillary losing in 2016 to sucking off Trump every which way?

johnnyblaze36 said:

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Lake was up double digits heading into election day,

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Link to poll? Because I don't recall any pollster that said that.

johnnyblaze36 said:

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Lake was up double digits heading into election day, -700 in the offfshore odds, and going up against a lunatic that wouldn't even debate her. Then 30,000 voting machines in the biggest county in the state suddenly go down conveniently on the final day of voting as Republicans head to the polls.

Yeah, she really lost that one fair and square.

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No one except maybe Lake herself had her up by double digits at any point.

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10thYrSr said:

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amercer said:

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10thYrSr said:

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I suppose that is one take. The other take says that if she wins the nomination in a Republican state then she should win. What math are you using?

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You sure a state that has two democratic senators and voted for Biden is a Republican state?

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So a Republican can't win then? Why does it matter then?

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I mean, Georgia has two democratic senators and voted for Biden as well.

For the Republicans it boils down to, run stupid candidates play stupid games win stupid prizes.

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fify

I really wish the Arizona GOP could get it's act together. Same thing with the Michigan and PA ones.

10thYrSr said:

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Ag with kids said:

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10thYrSr said:

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I suppose that is one take. The other take says that if she wins the nomination in a Republican state then she should win. What math are you using?

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The same math that was used when she won the nomination in a Republican state and LOST last time???

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Here's how it goes: Republicans vote in a primary. That means that is the best candidate for Republicans. If that candidate doesn't win, it's probably likely no Republican would win. How is this math still troubling people?

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You can't be this dense. It's been proven in multiple purple states/districts over the last 4 years that the best primary candidate in no way equals the best general election candidate. In fact nominating absolute clowns like Lake has led to multiple losses in winnable races.

Sinema has to be thrilled, my guess is it'll be like 35-40% Sinema from the moderates on both sides and the rest split between the two extreme candidates. If Republicans nominated a traditional candidate they'd likely win in a relative landslide with the democrat votes splitting.

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10thYrSr said:

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Ag with kids said:

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10thYrSr said:

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I suppose that is one take. The other take says that if she wins the nomination in a Republican state then she should win. What math are you using?

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The same math that was used when she won the nomination in a Republican state and LOST last time???

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Here's how it goes: Republicans vote in a primary. That means that is the best candidate for Republicans. If that candidate doesn't win, it's probably likely no Republican would win. How is this math still troubling people?

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You can't be this dense. It's been proven in multiple purple states/districts over the last 4 years that the best primary candidate in no way equals the best general election candidate. In fact nominating absolute clowns like Lake has led to multiple losses in winnable races.

Sinema has to be thrilled, my guess is it'll be like 35-40% Sinema from the moderates on both sides and the rest split between the two extreme candidates. If Republicans nominated a traditional candidate they'd likely win in a relative landslide with the democrat votes splitting.

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10thyrsr is a Trump supporter, so yes, he likely does believe elections are that simple and straightforward and wil no doubt be astounded if Trump is the R nominee but loses in a landslide to the D candidate in the general election.

A Republican, not sure who can win in Arizona. Lake won't be that Republican.

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Lord if we don't rid ourselves of this MAGA poison, we'll never win another election.

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That's the spirit. Let's ignore any person or group of people that want to hold the GOP accountable.

The establishment GOP and uni-party thank you for your naive support of the status quo to achieve slow suicide to leftism.

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ts5641 said:

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Lord if we don't rid ourselves of this MAGA poison, we'll never win another election.

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That's the spirit. Let's ignore any person or group of people that want to hold the GOP accountable.

The establishment GOP and uni-party thank you for your naive support of the status quo to achieve slow suicide to leftism.

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Would you prefer a fast suicide to leftism? Because that's what happens when you nominate someone like Lake in a purple state.

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Exactly. The playbook for the DNC SuperPACS in a lot of contested elections in 2022 was to make sure the most extreme GOP candidate got nominated.

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And all the right had to do was simply not elect the maga candidate. It really was that simple.

And having seen what happens when you nominate the most maga to be the candidate you'd think they'd learn and be putting their voting powers to a non-maga candidate. Interestingly enough, though, is that maga is doubling down and putting everything they've got behind the father of all maga - Trump.

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Tea Party said:

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ts5641 said:

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Lord if we don't rid ourselves of this MAGA poison, we'll never win another election.

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That's the spirit. Let's ignore any person or group of people that want to hold the GOP accountable.

The establishment GOP and uni-party thank you for your naive support of the status quo to achieve slow suicide to leftism.

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MAGA abandoned the idea of keeping the GOP accountable to rally around 1 man. He has become the most important thing, not the principles. The irony is, the people claiming to want to keep the GOP accountable are completely unwilling to keep the 1 man they support accountable to any damn thing.

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TRM said:

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johnnyblaze36 said:

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Lake was up double digits heading into election day,

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Link to poll? Because I don't recall any pollster that said that.

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IIRC, there was one poll which showed that, and is the only poll MAGA will talk about.

Most polls had it very close and within the margin of error.

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Rs won't be winning Arizona for a very long time. Hell, McCain was a not so closet democrat with a boner for foreign wars anyway.

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Arizona Republicans and independents loves mushy, milquetoast Republicans. If one isn't on the ballot, they don't vote, or vote Democrat.

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No, they love Republicans that act like adults and don't feel the need to insult people on a regular basis. It's not policies it's personality. It amazes me how people don't understand this still.

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Lord if we don't rid ourselves of this MAGA poison, we'll never win another election.

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That's the spirit. Let's ignore any person or group of people that want to hold the GOP accountable.

The establishment GOP and uni-party thank you for your naive support of the status quo to achieve slow suicide to leftism.

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Lake isn't holding anyone accountable. She flip flops on candidates and positions on a whim and has no real record. DeSantis showed Republicans how it is done in Florida and that you can win with very conservative policies IF you act like an adult and focus on good governance. Simply going around making speeches and insulting people in your own Party for red meat doesn't accomplish anything.

I think Lake got screwed in '22 but the way she has handled herself since then has only shown she wasn't what she appeared to be. If she is the GOP nominee she will lose.

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10thYrSr said:

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I suppose that is one take. The other take says that if she wins the nomination in a Republican state then she should win. What math are you using?

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You sure a state that has two democratic senators and voted for Biden is a Republican state?

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Whole lotta cheating going on

Lake was the popular Maga candidate, but she did everything possible to piss off everyone that wasn't a Trump supporter.

I think Robson (who actually had some business experience, mgmt experience...ANY experience other than reading lines and campaigning for Obama) would have beaten Hobbes.

If lake is the nominee, I'll vote for her, but damn sure not because I think she's worth a damn. She has no record of doing anything other than talking. Nothing. No accomplishments. It would essentially be someone to neutralize a Dem vote.

10thYrSr said:

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10thYrSr said:

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Ag with kids said:

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10thYrSr said:

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I suppose that is one take. The other take says that if she wins the nomination in a Republican state then she should win. What math are you using?

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The same math that was used when she won the nomination in a Republican state and LOST last time???

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Here's how it goes: Republicans vote in a primary. That means that is the best candidate for Republicans. If that candidate doesn't win, it's probably likely no Republican would win. How is this math still troubling people?

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Other Republicans that won the primary DID win. So, winning the Republican nomination means it's entirely possible to win the general election.

However, she won the nomination and lost in a race that other Republicans won. Is that math understandable to you?

BTW, winning the primary does not mean they're the best candidate for the Republicans (to win the general election). It means they were the most popular choice for the Republicans.

However, as they say...remember, the enemy gets a vote, too.

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Arguing between best and popular is not really important in this scope. Popularity means getting the most votes which translates to winning elections typically and without electoral systems

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Obviously that was not the case with Kari Lake since she was the most popular GOP candidate and, according to your logic, the best GOP candidate, which did not translate into winning.

However, the state treasurer, was the most popular GOP candidate, and according to your logic, the best GOP candidate, which DID translate into winning.

Republicans can win there. Kari Lake has shown that she can lose there.

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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10thYrSr said:

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10thYrSr said:

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I suppose that is one take. The other take says that if she wins the nomination in a Republican state then she should win. What math are you using?

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The same math that was used when she won the nomination in a Republican state and LOST last time???

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Here's how it goes: Republicans vote in a primary. That means that is the best candidate for Republicans. If that candidate doesn't win, it's probably likely no Republican would win. How is this math still troubling people?

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You can't be this dense. It's been proven in multiple purple states/districts over the last 4 years that the best primary candidate in no way equals the best general election candidate. In fact nominating absolute clowns like Lake has led to multiple losses in winnable races.

Sinema has to be thrilled, my guess is it'll be like 35-40% Sinema from the moderates on both sides and the rest split between the two extreme candidates. If Republicans nominated a traditional candidate they'd likely win in a relative landslide with the democrat votes splitting.

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10thyrsr is a Trump supporter, so yes, he likely does believe elections are that simple and straightforward and wil no doubt be astounded if Trump is the R nominee but loses in a landslide to the D candidate in the general election.

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It will be stolen if that happens...

mass mailed-in elections with machines conveniently not working in certain centers in the biggest county on election day when the most Rs vote is a very anti-democracy thing to be proud of for the dems.

the 2022 AZ gubernatorial race optics were like biden-trump in 2020. you can't say Kari Lake wasn't popular. she constantly had swarms of people at her campaign events and sold out arenas while no one showed up to Hobbs events. and just like the fetterwoman-Dr.oz senate race in PA, you can't argue anything about "candidate quality" when Hobbs is your candidate. she couldn't articulate or defend any policy ideas, refused to debate.

when absentee voting got turned into mass-mailed elections with systems and processes that no one can trust as the ballots can't be traced or audited for fraud, we lost American democracy. "we the people" no longer choose who leads or represents us. we are totally lost to the wishes of elites who fund inner city harvesting operations.

in addition, when the D candidate for governor or senator to represent a state has 90% of their funding coming from outside of that state and overseas, and they are outspending their opponent by more than 200% and sometimes much more than that, the people of that state are being manipulated and many will not realize it.

our entire system is ****ed.

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Lake is going to win the nomination.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kari-lake-launches-bid-us-senate-arizona

She will lose by 7-10 points in a two-way race and would probably finish third in a three-way race.

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well at least Kari Lake can now book her second loser "stolen election tour" with Donald Trump at Mar A Lago for late November 2024.

Mark Lamb, Sheriff of Pinal County between Phoenix and Tucson is also running but I'm not hearing about him getting the traction i was expecting.

If Kari Lake will grow her hair out, she will win.

She needs a new look to attract new male voters.

Not a Bot said:

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Lake is going to win the nomination.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kari-lake-launches-bid-us-senate-arizona

She will lose by 7-10 points in a two-way race and would probably finish third in a three-way race.

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Question...If, according to Kari Lake, she is actually the true Governor of AZ, then how can she run for Senate? Does she have to agree that she didn't actually win and thus is eligible?

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Mark Lamb, Sheriff of Pinal County between Phoenix and Tucson is also running but I'm not hearing about him getting the traction i was expecting.

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Because rhetoric and posturing is now more important to certain voters than actions and results.