I keep having to remind myself that Jesus died even for the worst sinners, Hamas terrorists included. It doesn't preclude Israel from defending itself, but their actions are the nadir of evil, perhaps even demonically charged.

Gaza. Should be treated like Sodom and Gomorrah

I bet you cant find 50 people worth saving either

maddiedou said:

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Gaza. Should be treated like Sodom and Gomorrah

I bet you cant find 50 people worth saving either

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Yeah, but there's Nineveh.

when violence is the only language terrorists understand, what other choice do you have but to talk to them in their own language?

for those saying Israel needs a more peaceful rational approach... they aren't necessarily dealing with peaceful, rational people.

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I keep having to remind myself that Jesus died even for the worst sinners, Hamas terrorists included. It doesn't preclude Israel from defending itself, but their actions are the nadir of evil, perhaps even demonically charged.

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Biden could never be bothered with the SEVEN AMERICANS held hostage by Hamas for 479 days

Keith Siegel, 65, is the first American to be released under this stage of the deal pic.twitter.com/NDjRhAgJOa

— i24NEWS English (@i24NEWS_EN) February 1, 2025

And Jericho

Keith was unaware his son is still alive.

Yarden Bibas meets his father and sister. So heartrending that his wife and children remain in Gaza pic.twitter.com/gmeUL7Cp99

— Jake Wallis Simons (@JakeWSimons) February 1, 2025

Finally back in mom’s arms ❤️‍🩹 pic.twitter.com/v7ympfatp8

— Israel Defense Forces (@IDF) February 1, 2025

For anyone here that wants to understand why the Palestinians are viewed so poorly around the ME, the WSJ has a great article today:
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/why-arab-states-hate-trumps-plan-to-relocate-palestinians-384ac1d3?mod=hp_lead_pos11

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Foreign ministers of Jordan, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabi, Qatar, Jordan and Egypt met Saturday and said Palestinians' ability to remain on their land should be ensured, and they rejected any attempts to forcibly remove them.

"The parties strongly opposed any measures aimed at uprooting Palestinians from their land in any form," the ministers said, "warning that such actions threaten regional stability, risk escalating the conflict, and undermine prospects for peace and coexistence."

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A little history lesson

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Civil war in Jordan and Lebanon
In 1951, Palestinian militants assassinated Jordan's King Abdullah, beginning the tumultuous history between the kingdom and the Palestinians. In the early 1970s, Yasser Arafat's Palestine Liberation Organization was driven out of Jordan after the group tried to seize power from King Hussein but was crushed by the state military in a brutal civil war. Thousands of Palestinians were either killed in the fighting or expelled in the aftermath; many went to Lebanon.

There, Palestinian fighters regrouped. Israel invaded Lebanon in 1978 after Palestinian militants infiltrated Israel by sea and attacked a bus, killing 38 passengers, including 13 children.

Palestinian fighters also became involved in a civil war on the side of the Lebanese National Movement against the Maronites who eventually were supported by Israel. Palestinian attacks on Israel in that war led to an Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982, when the PLO was formally expelled.

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They are troublemakers no matter where they go...

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Palestinians remain a lightning-rod issue in Lebanon, where they almost exclusively live in Unrwa-maintained areas that grew from refugee camps. Giving them more rights and citizenship would upset the delicate sectarian balance among Lebanon's Sunni, Shia, Christian, Druze and others.
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The (Egyptian) government which restricts freedom of speech and assembly has allowed Egyptians to protest in the streets against calls for Palestinians to be relocated from Gaza in recent days.

"I must keep public opinion in mind, not that of Arabs or Egyptians, but the opinion of a general public who sees what has befallen the Palestinian people over the past 70 years as a historical injustice," Sisi said in a speech Wednesday. "I do not think [displacement] can happen again."

But he also said in October 2023 that moving Palestinians to Egypt's Sinai Peninsula could turn the area into a base for attacks on Israel, threatening the peace between the two countries.
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But beginning in the 1980s, Gulf leaders, worried about radical Palestinian leaders abroad calling for more action against Israel, began putting limits on Palestinian migration, the CIA said. "The Palestinian cause is popular, and the Gulf governments fear that any Palestinian discontent within their countries would spread to natives and other expatriates unhappy with the ruling families."

The most significant rupture in the Gulf-Palestinian relationship came in 1990, when Arafat declared his support for the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. It led to Kuwait eventually expelling more than 300,000 Palestinians.

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So the party line of "the Palestinians should have their own state!", while sounding altruistic, is really all about keeping the Palestinian trouble makers out of their countries. They don't want peace. They don't want prosperity. They just want to kill Jews.

dmart90 said:

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For anyone here that wants to understand why the Palestinians are viewed so poorly around the ME, the WSJ has a great article today:
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/why-arab-states-hate-trumps-plan-to-relocate-palestinians-384ac1d3?mod=hp_lead_pos11


So the party line of "the Palestinians should have their own state!", while sounding altruistic, is really all about keeping the Palestinian trouble makers out of their countries. They don't want peace. They don't want prosperity. They just want to kill Jews.

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This couldn't encapsulate any better or more succinctly the reason their Middle East neighbors do not want the Palestinians moved out of the Gaza Strip. - to protect their own cultures and countries.

yup, for the other more "moderate" countries who don't want to mix it up with Israel, the best thing for them is to keep the die hard/suicidal fanatics in palestein/gaza and out of their countries. let them get Israel's attention. this allows those cou tries to still posture towards Israel without being the full focus of Israel's backlash.

While getting the dual benefit (for them) of making Israel keep the Palestinians in check AND blaming Israel for the Palestinians' plight.

How nice for the Arab countries

Yarden Bibas released: his wife and two baby children likely murdered by Hamas

Keith Siegel: American from Chapel Hill had his sister in law murdered

Ofer Kalderon: his two children and his partner were kidnapped and released after 55 days. his mother in law and niece murdered by Hamas.

dmart90 said:

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So the party line of "the Palestinians should have their own state!", while sounding altruistic, is really all about keeping the Palestinian trouble makers out of their countries. They don't want peace. They don't want prosperity. They just want to kill Jews.

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This. Palestine is the modern day Nazi Germany, in terms of its attitude towards Jews. But unlike the Germans, they don't know how to accept defeat and move on.

IMHO, it's time to stop talking about a "two-state solution" and start talking about final solution to the Gaza problem. Expel the entire population. That's not a "genocide", it's just the same solution that the Allies applied to German revanchism in Poland. And it worked, in the sense that there's not a terrorist "Prussian Liberation Organization" today.

And if Egypt and Jordan don't want these "people", maybe send them to Iran or Ireland.