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3:59p, 1/11/25
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I know the dispute between Jewish and Palestinian people is ancient - I'm not necessarily looking to dive way back and say this group is totally in the right, this group is totally in the wrong.

I've intermittently paid attention to this thread for many months now, but am certainly not as knowledgeable as I'm sure many of you are.

My question, if even possible in a relatively short reply, is what was the immediate impetus, the catalyst if you will, for the attacks on October 7th?

From a simply logical standpoint, the parties involved with the attacks (Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, whoever else has a vested interest) had to be fully aware that while devastating of course, the attacks that took place on that day would be answered with far superior fire power and resources. What did those groups possibly believe there was to gain by carrying out the plans they did? Was it simply from their perspective, however right or wrong you may find them, opportunistic retaliation for perceived wrongs of the past, perhaps territorial gains, ?

I'm just trying to wrap my head around that specific moment in history and understand, if there are any, what specific things led to a decision that ultimately resulted in a lot of destruction, death, and so forth in your territory/for the people that generally believe Israel to be 'the bad guy'
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4:29p, 1/11/25
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On mobile, sorry for brevity.

-Iran's raison d'etre is to create/ensure Shia supremacy across the world. Death to the Americans & Jews and all that.
-Iran needed something to rally their internal populace and proxies due to lack of response to US & Israeli accomplishments (Soleimani death, Syrian nuke facility destruction, relative restrictions put on proxies, etc)
-Iran thought Biden admin created ideal weakness/opportunity to strike strategic US partner
-Iran is more than happy to partner with Al Qaeda (even though they're Sunni) to achieve global goals of weakening US.
-Iran co-sponored & co-led 10/7 because they thought US would abandon Israel or at least significantly hamper their response.
-Hezb was supposed to join the attack. Would have possibly overwhelmed the Israelis if they had attacked en masse. Results would have been far more catastrophic than realized at minimum had they joined. As shown in this thread, they had significant capabilities built up to infiltrate Israel. Northern border communities would have been completely wiped off map.
-Reasons why Hezb didn't attack in coordination still not known.

Was supposed to be an even more impactful event for Israel/US. While formidable foes, lack of better coordination between Al Qaeda, Iran, Syria, Hezb, and Hamas/PIJ saved thousands of lives.

ETA: Sarah Adams (former CIA targeted) says 10/7 was specifically chosen because 10/7/01 is day US invaded Afghanistan in retaliation for 9/11. How's that for symbolism? Date also coincided with Israeli preparations and observance of Yom Kippur - their guards were down.
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In reply to bkag9824 • 4:50p, 1/11/25
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bkag9824 said:
On mobile, sorry for brevity.

-Iran's raison d'etre is to create/ensure Shia supremacy across the world. Death to the Americans & Jews and all that.
-Iran needed something to rally their internal populace and proxies due to lack of response to US & Israeli accomplishments (Soleimani death, Syrian nuke facility destruction, relative restrictions put on proxies, etc)
-Iran thought Biden admin created ideal weakness/opportunity to strike strategic US partner
-Iran is more than happy to partner with Al Qaeda (even though they're Sunni) to achieve global goals of weakening US.
-Iran co-sponored & co-led 10/7 because they thought US would abandon Israel or at least significantly hamper their response.
-Hezb was supposed to join the attack. Would have possibly overwhelmed the Israelis if they had attacked en masse. Results would have been far more catastrophic than realized at minimum had they joined. As shown in this thread, they had significant capabilities built up to infiltrate Israel. Northern border communities would have been completely wiped off map.
-Reasons why Hezb didn't attack in coordination still not known.

Was supposed to be an even more impactful event for Israel/US. While formidable foes, lack of better coordination between Al Qaeda, Iran, Syria, Hezb, and Hamas/PIJ saved thousands of lives.

ETA: Sarah Adams (former CIA targeted) says 10/7 was specifically chosen because 10/7/01 is day US invaded Afghanistan in retaliation for 9/11. How's that for symbolism? Date also coincided with Israeli preparations and observance of Yom Kippur - their guards were down.


Thanks for the reply! I saw that Shawn Ryan episode with Sarah Evans. Very interesting tid bit that seemed to have gone over the heads or not reported by those who would've noticed the date significance for whatever reason.
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6:14a, 1/19/25
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Such evil people to hold these folks hostages so long. The IDF withdrew overnight:


Convoys of trucks pouring into Gaza now from Rafa (Egypt) crossing:



We'll just have to see how long this lasts, I guess.
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6:16a, 1/19/25
I fully most, if not all, of the women will return with evidence of continued sexual assaults.
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In reply to DirtyMikesBoys • 6:22a, 1/19/25
DirtyMikesBoys said:
My question, if even possible in a relatively short reply, is what was the immediate impetus, the catalyst if you will, for the attacks on October 7th?
I think Hamas was dying on the vine. They saw their fellow Arabs disinterested in them and starting to form alliances with Israel. The Kingdom was on the verge of recognizing Israel.

This was a Hail Mary pass for relevance in hopes of turning the entire Arab world against Israel again. I doubt they imagined the Arab world would let Israel go so medieval on them for so long.

They were successful in that they slowed down Arab acceptance of Israel. It will be some time before another Arab state recognizes Israel. But it will be much longer before any of them screw with em again too.

I hope the PA now takes over governance of Gaza. We'll see.
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In reply to fc2112 • 6:30a, 1/19/25
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Nope. The planning for the attack took almost a decade, and it was postponed once. It was motivated by pure hatred and evil, not desperation. Remember, 'Palestinians' still support when they were able to commit mass murders of Jews such as in Hebron in 1929, annually.
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The sources told the Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper in a report published Wednesday that the terrorists involved in the devastating attack were selected from among hundreds of elite commandos from all over Gaza, and underwent training for a number of years, along with continuous testing to gauge their skills.

Some 1,200 people were slaughtered and around 240 others dragged to Gaza as hostages mainly civilians when thousands of Hamas-led terrorists burst into Israel on October 7, rampaging through communities and army bases in the south.

The London-based newspaper said that plans for the devastating assault on Israeli towns close to the Gaza border began years earlier prior to Operation Protective Edge in 2014 but major efforts to train and prepare were frozen with the outbreak of fighting and stayed on hold for a year at that point.
After another military conflict, Operation Guardian of the Walls, in May 2021, Hamas decided to implement the plan.


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In reply to fc2112 • 8:43a, 1/19/25
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fc2112 said:
DirtyMikesBoys said:
My question, if even possible in a relatively short reply, is what was the immediate impetus, the catalyst if you will, for the attacks on October 7th?
I think Hamas was dying on the vine. They saw their fellow Arabs disinterested in them and starting to form alliances with Israel. The Kingdom was on the verge of recognizing Israel.

This was a Hail Mary pass for relevance in hopes of turning the entire Arab world against Israel again. I doubt they imagined the Arab world would let Israel go so medieval on them for so long.

They were successful in that they slowed down Arab acceptance of Israel. It will be some time before another Arab state recognizes Israel. But it will be much longer before any of them screw with em again too.

I hope the PA now takes over governance of Gaza. We'll see.


Not a chance PA takes over Gaza. Hamas been infiltrating & taking steps to overtake the West Bank.

Don't mistake a bunch of destroyed buildings for the destruction of committed terrorists' will.


Anticipate that Israel will lay waste to Gaza once the hostages are home and Hamas steps out of line.
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9:47a, 1/19/25
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One thing I'm certain of. All the people being released are going to go through an extensive debriefing, and the Mossad will put together a long list of kidnappers and captors. Then they are going to go to work on that list.
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In reply to torrid • 10:01a, 1/19/25
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torrid said:
One thing I'm certain of. All the people being released are going to go through an extensive debriefing, and the Mossad will put together a long list of kidnappers and captors. Then they are going to go to work on that list.


Precisely. I expect this to go on for a very long time. Israel DGAF about what anyone thinks about them laying waste in Gaza or anywhere else.

Remember how we felt about 9/11 then multiple that by a trillion.
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10:04a, 1/19/25
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10:19a, 1/19/25
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Everybody in that pic is now on a hit list if they weren't already
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10:24a, 1/19/25
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10:24a, 1/19/25
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Has there only been one released?
What is the status of the 33 to be returned?
What if anything has been stated about the rest?
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In reply to JFABNRGR • 10:41a, 1/19/25
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JFABNRGR said:
Has there only been one released?
What is the status of the 33 to be returned?
What if anything has been stated about the rest?
They aren't all going to be released at once. Starting with women, children, and elderly. They will be released in phases.

Meanwhile as I said, the Israelis are quietly taking notes.
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10:46a, 1/19/25
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In reply to torrid • 10:52a, 1/19/25
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torrid said:
One thing I'm certain of. All the people being released are going to go through an extensive debriefing, and the Mossad will put together a long list of kidnappers and captors. Then they are going to go to work on that list.


I need to go watch Munich again.
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In reply to JFABNRGR • 11:06a, 1/19/25
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JFABNRGR said:
Has there only been one released?
What is the status of the 33 to be returned?
What if anything has been stated about the rest?
They are dead.
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In reply to DirtyMikesBoys • 11:19a, 1/19/25
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DirtyMikesBoys said:
From a simply logical standpoint, the parties involved with the attacks (Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, whoever else has a vested interest) had to be fully aware that while devastating of course, the attacks that took place on that day would be answered with far superior fire power and resources. What did those groups possibly believe there was to gain by carrying out the plans they did? Was it simply from their perspective, however right or wrong you may find them, opportunistic retaliation for perceived wrongs of the past, perhaps territorial gains, ?
Hamas is funded by Iran, even though the Iranians denounce the predominantly Sunni Palestinians as apostates and really don't care about them. They are useful idiots.

Iran's primary goal was to sabotage any possibility of normalization of relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel. Saudi Arabia is Iran's principal rival for hegemony in the region, and the Saudis being in the good graces of the Israelis and the Americans gives their crown prince carte blanche to crush any internal and external opposition.
The Iranians probably succeeded in that goal for a generation.

The people who pulled off the actual attack were just thugs whose principal ambition in life was to kill Jews. Gangbangers, basically.

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4:05p, 1/19/25
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So have they released all the people they said they were going to release ?
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In reply to fullback44 • 4:11p, 1/19/25
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fullback44 said:
So have they released all the people they said they were going to release ?


No, it's in stages. These first three were a "we actually gonna do this?" kinda dance.
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In reply to bkag9824 • 4:15p, 1/19/25
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Ok
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In reply to fullback44 • 4:29p, 1/19/25
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Hamas insisted it be teased out over time so the IDF wouldn't march back in with 'pending hostages being released' as Hamas commits more war crimes/truce violations and receives ever more re-armament supplies via Egypt.
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4:37p, 1/19/25
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Still wondering what we are going to do if the Americans bodies aren't released tomorrow. Yes I'm assuming they are not alive. Praying they are.
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In reply to DirtyMikesBoys • 5:21p, 1/19/25
DirtyMikesBoys said:
I know the dispute between Jewish and Palestinian people is ancient - I'm not necessarily looking to dive way back and say this group is totally in the right, this group is totally in the wrong.

I've intermittently paid attention to this thread for many months now, but am certainly not as knowledgeable as I'm sure many of you are.

My question, if even possible in a relatively short reply, is what was the immediate impetus, the catalyst if you will, for the attacks on October 7th?

From a simply logical standpoint, the parties involved with the attacks (Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, whoever else has a vested interest) had to be fully aware that while devastating of course, the attacks that took place on that day would be answered with far superior fire power and resources. What did those groups possibly believe there was to gain by carrying out the plans they did? Was it simply from their perspective, however right or wrong you may find them, opportunistic retaliation for perceived wrongs of the past, perhaps territorial gains, ?

I'm just trying to wrap my head around that specific moment in history and understand, if there are any, what specific things led to a decision that ultimately resulted in a lot of destruction, death, and so forth in your territory/for the people that generally believe Israel to be 'the bad guy'


It's not accent though. Really started in 1968.
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6:14a, 1/20/25
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What a bunch of dirtbags. They made them take 'gift bags' at the hand off under duress/taunts to the feckless Red Cross:

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Palestinians are the most depraved people on earth, and I don't say that lightly. They started a war by invading Israeli civilian areas and slaughtering over a thousand innocent people. They then took hundreds of hostages, including young babies. Refusing to hand them over, they saw Gaza essentially leveled and tens of thousands of their fighters killed by the IDF. And then when a ceasefire is finally reached, they cheer on Hamas and laugh about giving the hostages "gift bags."

There is no peace to be had with these people. That's not what the smart set wants to hear, but I've got decades of evidence to support that assertion. No amount of aid or concessions will ever be enough. Genocidal jihadi culture is all they know, and the average IQ among Palestinians is below 70, likely due to generations of inbreeding. Reasoning with a population like that is simply impossible.

I get that American politicians on both sides wanted a ceasefire deal so they could wash their hands of the issue, but this isn't going to end here. It is just a matter of time before Hamas breaks the terms and the fighting starts again. These terrorists aren't going to stop because their goal isn't a "Palestinian state." It's the complete destruction of Israel leading to a global intifada. In the meantime, not a single American tax dollar should go to rebuilding Gaza.
Fact check: True.
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9:31a, 1/20/25
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Do we know anything about the 4 year old or 9 month old? While all are horrible, this one really hits close to the heart.

I can't imagine what these poor families are going through.
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In reply to V8Aggie • 9:33a, 1/20/25
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Do we know anything about the 4 year old or 9 month old? While all are horrible, this one really hits close to the heart.

I can't imagine what these poor families are going through.

That is the BIBAS brothers

my guess for a very long time is they were killed shortly after capture 14 months ago.

I can't imagine that Hamas was able to keep two babies alive as hostages.

they will come back in body bags next week.

then we annihilate their captors in March.
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2:19p, 1/20/25
Are you crying?

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2:58p, 1/20/25
grown men can cry..

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In reply to LMCane • 4:16p, 1/20/25
That's the thing. Happy for their release but anger that Hamas exists. Trump's new advisor Waltz insists that Hamas will not be allowed to rule Gaza. That's a start.
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In reply to LMCane • 5:25p, 1/20/25
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grown men can cry..

Honest question sir,

I hope that Mossad is able to identify who held these hostages for all this time for future reference. Do you think that is a possibility or just wishful thinking? I hope that they can be and then eliminated with extreme prejudice WHEN Hamas breaks the terms of the ceasefire.

Eliminate anyone that was a part of this travesty against Israeli citizens!
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In reply to ProgN • 7:58p, 1/20/25
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ProgN said:
LMCane said:
grown men can cry..

Honest question sir,

I hope that Mossad is able to identify who held these hostages for all this time for future reference. Do you think that is a possibility or just wishful thinking? I hope that they can be and then eliminated with extreme prejudice WHEN Hamas breaks the terms of the ceasefire.

Eliminate anyone that was a part of this travesty against Israeli citizens!


Why take a chance on missing one, just eliminate them all.
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In reply to ProgN • 1:50a, 1/21/25
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History says Massad will get them.
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In reply to Jetpilot86 • 5:41a, 1/21/25
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I am not knocking Mossad at all, and they are an incredible force, but I doubt they get them all. I, like many, have questioned if the price is too high, given the monsters being set free to be celebrated (see this link/piece at Powerline for a list).
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Don't forget Arafat Irfaiya, above. He raped and decapitated a Jewish girl. This was Ori Ansbacher, his victim. He will be going home to a society that celebrates him.
I guess, ultimately, it is something that must be paid. 'Palestinian' culture is just grotesque to me. Absolutely zero American aid and tax dollars should go to them. Trump has paused all foreign aid for 90 days, but Rubio has authority to make exceptions. Recall that Biden embargoed even sending D9 bulldozers to the IDF as part of his subterfuge:
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