Israel/Hamas going at it

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Yes. Gates said it about Joe Biden.
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Yeah and make no mistake I don't frankly trust Bibi to be honest most of the time. He's just really smart and effective as a politician/tactician. Quite a 'survivor' if you will, of Israeli politics, which are at least every bit as brutal as our own.

And once again, Bibi's political opposition within Israel is part of the unity government directing the policies/war. American Democrats like Blinken/Schumer are just trying to humanize Netanyahu as the 'bad actor' here.

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nortex97 said:

Yeah and make no mistake I don't frankly trust Bibi to be honest most of the time. He's just really smart and effective as a politician/tactician. Quite a 'survivor' if you will, of Israeli politics, which are at least every bit as brutal as our own.

And once again, Bibi's political opposition within Israel is part of the unity government directing the policies/war. American Democrats like Blinken/Schumer are just trying to humanize Netanyahu as the 'bad actor' here.


The US State Dept and other parts of our government have been active in trying to get Bibi out of office via election or trial. No surprise that he isn't falling all over himself to fawn over them and follow their advice.
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txags92 said:

nortex97 said:

Yeah and make no mistake I don't frankly trust Bibi to be honest most of the time. He's just really smart and effective as a politician/tactician. Quite a 'survivor' if you will, of Israeli politics, which are at least every bit as brutal as our own.

And once again, Bibi's political opposition within Israel is part of the unity government directing the policies/war. American Democrats like Blinken/Schumer are just trying to humanize Netanyahu as the 'bad actor' here.


The US State Dept and other parts of our government have been active in trying to get Bibi out of office via election or trial. No surprise that he isn't falling all over himself to fawn over them and follow their advice.
Screw Chuck Schumer. Actively attempting to interfere in another democracy is bad form.
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On to Rafah!!! Finish it!!!

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Funky Winkerbean said:

Why are some people so adamant about protecting their views on these things? That woman had lots of factual information presented to her and she just openly and blatantly did not want to understand the man's point. An open mind welcomes the challenge.


Cognitive dissonance hurts like hell. Also, humbling yourself to admit you were devastatingly wrong hurts like hell. The only other thing you can do with cognitive dissonance is to shove it down by denying reality and probably reacting angrily to the person who imposed it with their contradictory ideas.
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Israeli hostage describes graphic sexual assault, beatings, torture in Gaza
Amit Soussana is the first hostage to speak out about the abuse she suffered at the hands of her Palestinian captors
By Kendall Tietz Fox News Published March 27, 2024 6:30am EDT

An Israeli hostage recounted for the first time in extensive interviews how she was repeatedly assaulted during her 55 days in captivity.

Amit Soussana is the first former hostage to publicly speak out about the sexual and physical abuse she suffered at the hands of her captors in Gaza, according to The New York Times. Soussana told the outlet that she has decided to speak out now in an effort to raise awareness about the struggles faced by hostages, more than 100 of whom still remain trapped in Gaza.

On October 7, Soussana was taken from her closet in Kfar Aza kibbutz and dragged into Gaza by at least ten men who repeatedly tackled her to the ground as they struggled to restrain her. She told the Times, her captors beat her and wrapped her in white fabric until they eventually bound her hands and feet and took her into Gaza.

"I didn't want to let them take me to Gaza like an object, without a fight," Soussana told the Times. "I still kept believing that someone will come and rescue me."

Soussana described to The Times being detained at roughly half a dozen sites, including private homes, an office and a subterranean tunnel. But, her first stop was a luxury private home where she was watched by a guard who called himself Muhammad.

The Israeli lawyer said he repeatedly started asking her about her sex life and when her period was due while she was held alone in a child's bedroom and chained by her left ankle. She said he would sometimes sit beside her on the bed, lift her shirt and touch her.

Then, on the morning of October 24, Muhammad unchained her from the bed and led her to the bathroom, where she undressed and began washing herself in the bathtub. Before she was finished, he returned and stood in the doorway, holding a pistol.

"He came towards me and shoved the gun at my forehead," Soussana said during her Times interview. He then hit her, forcing her to remove her towel, groped her, sat her on the edge of the bathtub and hit her again.

"He sat me on the edge of the bath. And I closed my legs. And I resisted. And he kept punching me and put his gun in my face," Soussana said. "Then he, with the gun pointed at me, forced me to commit a sexual act on him," she recalled.

FURY AIMED 'ANTISEMITIC' UN COMMITTEE PROBING HAMAS' SEXUAL ATROCITIES AGAINST ISRAELI WOMEN

After the assault, she told The Times that she was left sitting naked in the dark, but when Mohammad returned, she said he showed remorse, saying, "I'm bad, I'm bad, please don't tell Israel." "You can't stand looking at him but you have to: He's the one who's protecting you, he's your guard," she recalled. "You're there with him, and you know that every moment it can happen again. You're completely dependent on him."

She was later transferred to another private apartment, where she said guards wrapped her head in a pink shirt, forced her to sit on the floor, handcuffed her and began beating her with the butt of a gun. After several minutes, they used duct tape to cover her mouth and nose, tied her feet and placed the handcuffs on the base of her palms, she said.

She also described being suspended, hanging "like a chicken" from a stick stretching between the gap of two couches, while they beat her. She recalled being in so much pain that she felt her hands might be dislocated. They beat the soles of her feet, while simultaneously demanding information they claimed she was hiding from them.

"It was like that for 45 minutes or so," she told The Times. "They were hitting me and laughing and kicking me, and called the other hostages to see me."

FINDING THAT ISRAELI WOMEN WERE SEXUALLY ATTACKED BY HAMAS DOESN'T JUSTIFY HOSTILITIES, UN DIPLOMAT SAYS

Then, the kidnappers untied her and took her back to the bedroom, before they told her she had 40 minutes to produce the information they wanted, or they would kill her. Soussana was released from captivity on Thursday, Nov. 30 and was reportedly badly wounded, suffering from fractures in her right eye socket, cheek, knee and nose, as well as severe bruising on her knee and back. The report stated that several injuries were related to her abduction on Oct. 7, including punches to her right eye.

Hamas and its supporters repeatedly denied that its members sexually abused hostages in captivity or victims of the October 7 terrorist attack, but earlier this month the United Nations issued a report finally recognizing that they had "found clear and convincing information that sexual violence, including rape, sexualized torture, cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment has been committed against hostages."

The report was carried out by Pramila Patten, the special representative of the secretary-general, who also highlighted that there were "reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may be ongoing against those still held in captivity."

"The mission team also found a pattern of victims, mostly women, found fully or partially naked, bound, and shot across multiple locations," Patten said, adding that "although circumstantial, such a pattern may be indicative of some forms of sexual violence, including sexualized torture, cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment."

Leftists in the West proudly defending rapists and murderers
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The worm has turned for Israel. They are about to be fully unsupported by the west as western institutions side with Hamas.

Today, the UN declared Israel is committing genocide.

Biden is going to abandon Israel.

Wouldn't be surprised to see most of Europe drop any major support for Israel.

It's funny because there's either very little condemnation of hamas, demands that hamas surrender, or those pleas don't make the headlines

Tough times ahead. Don't stop.
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Agthatbuilds said:

The worm has turned for Israel. They are about to be fully unsupported by the west as western institutions side with Hamas.

Today, the UN declared Israel is committing genocide.

Biden is going to abandon Israel.

Wouldn't be surprised to see most of Europe drop any major support for Israel.

It's funny because there's either very little condemnation of hamas, demands that hamas surrender, or those pleas don't make the headlines

Tough times ahead. Don't stop.
I find it amazing that the harshest criticism of Israel is coming from the west and not the Arab world. I suspect if Egypt makes too much noise, Israel will just "accidentally" wipe out the border barriers near Rafah.
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Israel is doing the rest of the Arab world a favor - they can't celebrate that, but nobody in that part of the world gives a crap about the Palestinians, so other than some weak virtue signaling, they have stayed quiet.
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Agthatbuilds said:

The worm has turned for Israel. They are about to be fully unsupported by the west as western institutions side with Hamas.

Today, the UN declared Israel is committing genocide.

Biden is going to abandon Israel.

Wouldn't be surprised to see most of Europe drop any major support for Israel.

It's funny because there's either very little condemnation of hamas, demands that hamas surrender, or those pleas don't make the headlines

Tough times ahead. Don't stop.
Zechariah 12:3

And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.


Not saying this is the time, but it is applicable to this situation. It may ebb and flow or it may be the time the whole world turns spoken about in the above.
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Well, I think we can put to bed this talking point some folks around here have spouted that "the majority of Palestinians hate Hamas and just want to live in peace with Israel".



And the idea that the Palestinians would pick somebody else to lead them if they had been allowed to vote? That seems false as well.

Poll: 71% of Palestinians Support October 7 Massacre, Majority Wants Hamas Returned to Power in Gaza (legalinsurrection.com)

55% in Gaza want Hamas back in charge when the war is over and 64% in the West Bank want Hamas to lead Gaza. Keep in mind that the alternatives that would be chosen by the 45% in Gaza that didn't pick Hamas are mostly going to be Fatah (which shares the same goal as Hamas and pays people in the West Bank for killing Israelis), or the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. There is no magical but underrepresented group that wants to live in peace with Israel that has any level of support at all from the Palestinians.
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"fund"
txags92
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Why would we be funding that? Especially if we aren't going to have any boots on the ground? And who believes for a second that we won't eventually get sucked into having our troops there?
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A Palestinian "peacekeeping team".

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

That means a team that will cover for the rearmament of Hamas or whatever entity rises up in its place, but still right next to Israel.

So, rinse, repeat this current war in a decade or two....
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Ag with kids said:

A Palestinian "peacekeeping team".

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

That means a team that will cover for the rearmament of Hamas or whatever entity rises up in its place, but still right next to Israel.

So, rinse, repeat this current war in a decade or two....
Exactly. Biden probably wants the UNRWA to have overall control over the peacekeeping force. Absolutely ridiculous idea.
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Heads up. Bibi needs surgery.

Quote:

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will undergo surgery for a hernia on Sunday, his office announced in a statement.

Netanyahu's office said the hernia was found Saturday night during a routine checkup. During the procedure, he will undergo full anesthesia and be unconscious. In the United States, hernias are common, affecting 25% of all men throughout their lifetime.
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Justice Minister Yariv Levin, a close ally of Netanyahu, will serve as acting prime minister temporarily.
"Deputy Prime Minister and Justice Minister Yariv Levin will serve as acting prime minister," the translated statement read.

While the prime minister is in good health, last year, doctors revealed Netanyahu had a known heart condition after he was fitted with a pacemaker to control his heartbeat.
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Agthatbuilds said:

The worm has turned for Israel. They are about to be fully unsupported by the west as western institutions side with Hamas.

Today, the UN declared Israel is committing genocide.

Biden is going to abandon Israel.

Wouldn't be surprised to see most of Europe drop any major support for Israel.

It's funny because there's either very little condemnation of hamas, demands that hamas surrender, or those pleas don't make the headlines

Tough times ahead. Don't stop.
The good thing is Israel doesn't care. Israel is going to do their thing. Which is good.
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You hate to see it, but more than that…





Apparently the Iranian embassy in Damascus was largely…leveled.
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Another death that doesn't sadden me in the least. I don't feel any guilt about that either.
nortex97
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True.

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P.U.T.U
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Think Iran and their proxies are mad about the attack in Syria
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Glass house and stones biden. Remember your wasting that afgan family? Hoe many people got fired over that?
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Agthatbuilds said:



Glass house and stones biden. Remember your wasting that afgan family? Hoe many people got fired over that?
Nope, no one remembers that and even bringing it up gets a house call from the letters.
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Indian giver says drone strikes on food aid workers is a bridge too far.
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Hamas deserves no lifeline. Neither do their Palestinian supporters.

Yet here we have this Administration arguing not only for the continued survival of Hamas, but also for their continued control over Gaza.

Why should any of us be surprised? This White House empowered the Taliban and continues funding them through the United Nations. It kisses Iranian ass at every turn, destabilizing the entire region. And here we are at this point now.

We are backing Hamas after what they did on 10/7.

A profile in cowardice from a President accustomed to giving aid and comfort to Islamo-Fascists.

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Has Biden ever been correct, even once, when it comes to foreign policy?
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I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but for Biden et al, every conflict must be viewed through the oppressor/oppressed lens. It doesn't matter that Hamas attacked, murdered, raped, and kidnapped civilians specifically - Israel is the oppressor. That's why the narrative shifted so quickly and why not Israel is the bad guy. The oppressor must be stopped and the victim can't have done anything worthy of consequences. It's such a twisted way to operate.
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