"Undeground Belly of Gaza"

"Mirpaa'ah" is a health clinic.

and you can see that the lovely innocent civilians of Hamas put a claymore mine at the entrance to the clinic hoping to explode on IDF entering through the front door.

aTmAg said:

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Israel is in a tough spot. Even after Hamas is eliminated, the Palestinians have proven themselves completely incapable of self government. I am unsure if that is simply due to radicalization or if they are frankly too stupid to ever know better.

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As someone put it, they need to do to Gaza what was done after WW2 in Germany where they stay and De-Hamas-ify their society starting with the kids who have grown up brainwashed into Hamas-Jugen

Yes but it is different The whole religion is to kill Jews and then infidels you can never change that unless you kill every muslim and that is impossible

Glass

Thanks again to LM - this is one of the best sources of updates on the war. The fact that Hamas is still holding hostages should tell the administration and the media who is in the right.

maddiedou said:

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Yes but it is different The whole religion is to kill Jews and then infidels you can never change that unless you kill every muslim and that is impossible

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I am all for IDF making the best effort to do just that. Just wish most of the civilized world would help send a direct message that this behavior is not tolerated now or in the future.

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It is so interesting watching the Jew / Hamas war evolve. The Jews have used this event as leverage to basically do whatever the **** they want and anyone that questions it is a jew hater nazi, meanwhile, Hamas is the absolute definition of what Stalin called "The useful idiot"

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The "Jew / Hamas war" is a fascinating term to use.

What news sources are you using to track this conflict?

Moslems in Yemen (nor Egypt) seem not to care about their co-religionists in Gaza, imho.

I wish a ceasefire in Gaza would stop the #Houthis but Houthis are not escalating to help civilians in Gaza. Gaza just happened to give them the perfect execuse to escalate in the Red Sea which was something they were going to do regardless! #Yemen https://t.co/VL4tWuljey

— Nadwa Dawsari (@Ndawsari) December 20, 2023

“If my father came back right now to see Jerry Seinfeld in his living room, he’d have a big smile on his face - even with the destruction” -Yuval Haran, whose father Avshalom, a giant Seinfeld fan, was murdered by Hamas terrorists on 10/7.

It took 10 days to identify his body… pic.twitter.com/9lUxoZqpJD

— Yael Bar tur (@yaelbt) December 20, 2023

Jerry Seinfeld, who has been in Israel since Monday, visited today with Lior Suchard at the Sheba Medical Center in Tel Hashomer.

In the photo: Seinfeld and Suchard with Avida Bakhar, who lost his wife Dana and son Karmel in the massacres of Kibbutz Be'eri 💔 pic.twitter.com/o90vt7ciEb

— Adam Albilya - אדם אלביליה (@AdamAlbilya) December 20, 2023

This is pretty amazing. Look how small the detonation primer is here.

The soldiers all yell "this is for Nahal Oz!"

which is referring to one of the Kibbutz that was decimated by Hamas terrorists on 10/7. They also state "how beautiful this is" and "that was 30 houses for Nahal Oz" and then state their regiment numbers.

This is for you, Nahal Oz. pic.twitter.com/tVFSuGtj7e

— Mossad Commentary (@MOSSADil) December 20, 2023

Israel apparently is offering to stop for a week in exchange for a release of 36 hostages the terrorist jihadist filth are holding still.

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The IDF's work to eliminate Hamas continues to grind on, with much of the fighting having moved to the southern section of the Gaza Strip. But there may be another "pause" coming, depending on how Hamas responds to Israel's latest outreach. Once again working through mediators in Qatar, Netanyahu is reportedly offering a pause in the fighting of at least one week if Hamas releases more than three dozen hostages. The problem is that Hamas has continued to insist that they will not participate in any more negotiations unless Israel first stops its military operations. That may change this week, however, because with the terror tunnels being flooded, Hamas is running out of places to hide. (Axios)
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About 130 Israeli and foreign nationals are still being held hostage in Gaza. White House National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby said Tuesday that includes eight Americans.

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Even if it turns out to be unproductive, this is a good public relations move on Israel's part. During the previous ceasefire, Israel kept all of its promises and secured the release of at least some of the hostages. It was Hamas that broke the agreement by resuming rocket attacks around Jerusalem. Israel has also continued to send truckloads of relief aid into Gaza despite knowing that Hamas is probably stealing most of it and keeping it for themselves.

While Hamas is still insisting on a total capitulation, we have no way of knowing precisely what they have to offer in exchange for any sort of relief. We don't know how many of the remaining hostages are even alive. We keep being told that the number is roughly 130, with at least eight Americans included. But what we do know is that when Ahmad Kahlot was giving his taped confession this week, he admitted to moving the "bodies" of hostages in his hospital's ambulances. That means they were dead.

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Disappointing, but not sure what will happen of course. I would guess less than 40 remaining are ever released alive.

Hamas may pass on this - when Israel made the offer, they knew they had the advantage. Now Hamas has to say no. Another battle on the media / public perception front.

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aTmAg said:

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Israel is in a tough spot. Even after Hamas is eliminated, the Palestinians have proven themselves completely incapable of self government. I am unsure if that is simply due to radicalization or if they are frankly too stupid to ever know better.

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As someone put it, they need to do to Gaza what was done after WW2 in Germany where they stay and De-Hamas-ify their society starting with the kids who have grown up brainwashed into Hamas-Jugen

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Germany had a western style government with lots of smart people to appoint to high positions. Palestinians have none of that.

Dammit. That brings on the tears.

nortex97 said:

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There are no words to describe the strength of Iris Haim, the mother of Yotam who was held hostage by Hamas and was tragically killed by IDF soldiers in a horrific accident.

Iris addressed the battalion involved in the tragic incident in which her son was killed:

"Hello to… pic.twitter.com/lX1ALDD3DV

— Tamar Schwarzbard 🇮🇱 (@TSchwarzbard) December 20, 2023

Wow.

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How did the three hostages that were killed by the IDF get free in the first place? Did they escape captivity? Did Hamas release them into the middle of fire fight with white flags? How did they get white flags? Just a weird situation.

nortex97 said:

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There are no words to describe the strength of Iris Haim, the mother of Yotam who was held hostage by Hamas and was tragically killed by IDF soldiers in a horrific accident.

Iris addressed the battalion involved in the tragic incident in which her son was killed:

"Hello to… pic.twitter.com/lX1ALDD3DV

— Tamar Schwarzbard 🇮🇱 (@TSchwarzbard) December 20, 2023

Wow.

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This is the way to peace.

I understand what you are saying but unfortunately being peaceful is not the way

Because if they had a chance they would cut my head off and **** in my neck because I believe in Jesus

aTmAg said:

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Maroon Dawn said:

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aTmAg said:

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Israel is in a tough spot. Even after Hamas is eliminated, the Palestinians have proven themselves completely incapable of self government. I am unsure if that is simply due to radicalization or if they are frankly too stupid to ever know better.

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As someone put it, they need to do to Gaza what was done after WW2 in Germany where they stay and De-Hamas-ify their society starting with the kids who have grown up brainwashed into Hamas-Jugen

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Germany had a western style government with lots of smart people to appoint to high positions. Palestinians have none of that.

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For Germans, even those Nazis that were left after the war, looked to Nazism as a way to improve their lives. If a revived German government could also improve their prosperity, they were all about being a part of that. However, the radical Islamic does not want to improve their lives, but to die for their religious beliefs is better than to live for them. That's a key radical difference that will make rebuilding a peaceful Gaza much more difficult than Germany.

aTmAg said:

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Maroon Dawn said:

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aTmAg said:

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Israel is in a tough spot. Even after Hamas is eliminated, the Palestinians have proven themselves completely incapable of self government. I am unsure if that is simply due to radicalization or if they are frankly too stupid to ever know better.

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As someone put it, they need to do to Gaza what was done after WW2 in Germany where they stay and De-Hamas-ify their society starting with the kids who have grown up brainwashed into Hamas-Jugen

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Germany had a western style government with lots of smart people to appoint to high positions. Palestinians have none of that.

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Germany also had a lot of low and mid-level Nazi party members who were brought back into the post-war government and bureaucracy after "deNazification" proceedings because they were the people with the experience to run the country and there wasn't anyone else qualified. The Palestinians, from what I have seen, have nobody even if Israel would turn a blind eye to Hamas membership/tacit/actual support of terrorism. The Gaza Strip is devoid of capable leadership, unless capable leadership included murdering Jews.

I support the nation state of Israel here.
Thank God for just war theory when a country is attacked.

Now we need to back off and let them finish this thing.
Full stop.

And I have integrity unlike certain individuals. Full stop.

Prayers for this war to be over within the next two years. And prayers that Hamas and their allies go to hell sooner or to do the right thing and unconditionally surrender and repent.