Israel/Hamas going at it

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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 1:42a, 11/22/23
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Agthatbuilds said:


Here it is confirmed by a Israeli source. I cannot imagine why this was agreed to but I'm sure Israeli will park washing machine charlie for a few hours and instead fly something much higher and quieter and/or

Hamas will accuse Israeli of breaking the terms of the agreement

Israel also agreed to no movement of their vehicles in gaza during the truce. Also seems like a terrible thing to agree to


I'm not gonna go into exact capabilities but Gaza will be watched every second 24/7 and Hamas will have no ability to know
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4:22a, 11/22/23
So three Palestinian soldiers for every one Israeli civilian?

I guess Netanyahu has his political pressures to deal with. Frankly, if they get all their citizens back, then just go scorched earth on the remainder of Gaza. It's pretty evident their fellow Muslims of the area don't care about them.
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4:37a, 11/22/23
This is a win/win. They can't kill the prisoners while captive. Israel gets its citizens back, and they free some terrorists….

Then they just go in and kill them after the fact
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4:46a, 11/22/23
And watch - most of the Israeli female hostages will turn up pregnant from gang rapes. They're animals.
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In reply to aw08 • 5:15a, 11/22/23
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No ceasefire with Hamas involving a 'prisoner exchange' is win-win, imho. It incentivizes more hostage taking by Hamas etc., and also emboldens the crowd of low-information morons like we've heard about blaming the IDF for deaths in Gaza of 'innocents.'







I agree with this comparative 'what if?'



But it really is simple if the people of Gaza learn a lesson;



Arab countries need to end their hateful policies;







Complex operation, I guess. I hope some of the poor hostages are safely returned home indeed, regardless.
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5:51a, 11/22/23
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Have any of the 50 been released? What if it's only 30 and they are dragging their heels on the rest? What if those released tell what are sure to be horrific tales of the way they were treated? Does IDF know where they have been keeping them? I believe it when I see it because when has Hamas ever been truthful or trusted to do what they said they were going to do.
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6:39a, 11/22/23
Hamas is already making excuses - they can't locate some hostages. others were killed in IDF airstrikes, blah, blah, blah. Sad to say, but I hope this falls apart quickly and the IDF gets back to killing Hamas and IJ.
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In reply to 2000AgPhD • 7:12a, 11/22/23
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2000AgPhD said:
Hamas is already making excuses - they can't locate some hostages. others were killed in IDF airstrikes, blah, blah, blah. Sad to say, but I hope this falls apart quickly and the IDF gets back to killing Hamas and IJ.
This is like negotiating with a 3 year old over cookies and he's holding the jar. I get the internal pressure, but you are not dealing with humans. It's absurd that there is negotiation for HOSTAGES in exchange for PRISONERS. I'd say even PeePaw is not that stupid but sadly he is.

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7:24a, 11/22/23
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So one what day of the ceasefire does the swap actually occur?

I bet its not at the beginning and I bet 50 is close to the number remaining alive or does the deal not specify alive or dead?
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In reply to fightingfarmer09 • 7:24a, 11/22/23
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fightingfarmer09 said:
No surveillance and hundreds of aid trucks allowed to enter the Gaza Strip.

Any idiot knows exactly what Hamas is trying to do. Smuggle themselves out of Gaza.


If I were Israel I'd search each and every truck. Think it's just as likely if not more so that those aid trucks will be full of ammo for Hamas.
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7:47a, 11/22/23
Biden Delays Shipment Of 4,500 M-16 Rifles To Israel Because Of Right-Wing Israeli Politician

The White House has reportedly delayed sending thousands of M-16 rifles to Israel because it is angered that Itamar Ben Gvir, the Minister of National Security of Israel, has turned the distribution of the weapons to Israeli citizens into events that generate significant media attention.

Ben Gvir posted photographs on his social media accounts of the weapons being distributed to Israeli civilians, The Times of Israel reported. Apparently wanting to show the world that Israel is arming its citizens to stop Islamic terrorist attacks is offensive to the Biden administration.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-delays-shipment-of-4500-m-16-rifles-to-israel-because-of-right-wing-israeli-politician-report
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In reply to txags92 • 8:21a, 11/22/23
You are correct sir.

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In reply to JFABNRGR • 8:23a, 11/22/23
JFABNRGR said:
So one what day of the ceasefire does the swap actually occur?

I bet its not at the beginning and I bet 50 is close to the number remaining alive or does the deal not specify alive or dead?
supposedly 1000 Tel Aviv time tomorrow morning which is 0300 EST here

10 per day to be released, and each day added to ceasefire is another 10 hostages freed.

alive is specified
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8:28a, 11/22/23
While I appreciate the sentiment of all the Zionists and pro-Israel supporters on here, you have to remember a few things:

this isn't the USA with 330 million people most of whom share nothing in common with anyone else.

this is a tiny country of 7 million Jews and 2 million Arabs/non-Jews.

Every family in Israel knows SOMEONE who has been killed, raped, taken hostage.

and I mean EVERYONE knows someone that has happened to.

so you want them to willingly sacrifice their children or their mother or their aunt or their cousin -

so that the IDF can keep killing Hamas terrorists 5 days earlier than they will anyway?

There is a reason Israel leads the OECD nations in births per family- because for the Jews each child is doubly precious after the Holocaust.

to try to play politics with this is never going to happen, the IDF and the people will never support a government which does not do everything possible to get back every living and dead Israeli.
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In reply to fc2112 • 8:35a, 11/22/23
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fc2112 said:
And watch - most of the Israeli female hostages will turn up pregnant from gang rapes. They're animals.
As indicated in the above post, the young females, well, maybe most females, will be declared dead by Hamas by IDF strikes because Hamas can't let them go to tell their horrific stories.
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In reply to LMCane • 8:35a, 11/22/23
Then be prepared for the status quo to remain.

It is very naive to think pressure will not be ramped up to 11 for this pause to be extended, and that pressure will come from western nations who are allegedly Israeli allies.

On the other hand, I don't think Israel would agree or offer any cease fire for any amount of time unless they know the ground they've taken is mostly secure and they have a viable way to continually track Hamas' movements throughout the pause.
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In reply to Pizza • 8:48a, 11/22/23
Pluralizes Everythings said:
Biden Delays Shipment Of 4,500 M-16 Rifles To Israel Because Of Right-Wing Israeli Politician

The White House has reportedly delayed sending thousands of M-16 rifles to Israel because it is angered that Itamar Ben Gvir, the Minister of National Security of Israel, has turned the distribution of the weapons to Israeli citizens into events that generate significant media attention.

Ben Gvir posted photographs on his social media accounts of the weapons being distributed to Israeli civilians, The Times of Israel reported. Apparently wanting to show the world that Israel is arming its citizens to stop Islamic terrorist attacks is offensive to the Biden administration.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-delays-shipment-of-4500-m-16-rifles-to-israel-because-of-right-wing-israeli-politician-report
Biden is a total dumbass always has been. If those Isrealis had had M-16 in their homes, Hamas would have 5X the loses and would not have been able to move near as fast as they did, thus further reducing the casualties. Its likely If Israeli citizens were armed Hamas wouldn't have tried this stunt in the first place.

This clowns' inability to reason is mind boggling.
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8:48a, 11/22/23
Virtually nothing in the news about all the American citizens killed by Palestine and all that were taken hostage.

MSM is a PR campaign for terrorist.
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9:05a, 11/22/23
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Not sure if this is right nor not, this is a satire account:

Quote:
Hostage Release Agreement - Some Key Points

1. 300 security prisoners who are held in the custody of the prison service, in exchange for 100 live abductees who are citizens or residents of the State of Israel
2. The outline for the release of Israeli abductees, within the framework of this resolution, will
be carried out in two stages and in several phases:

Phase 1: Subject to the fact that fifty Israeli abductees will be handed over to the security forces of the State of Israel, 150 security prisoners will be released over the course of 4 days, during which there will be a cessation in fighting.

Phase 2: Subject to the fact that up to 50 additional Israeli abductees will be handed over to the security forces of the State of Israel, up to 150 additional security prisoners will be released from prison. For every release of 10 Israeli hostages there will be a 24-hour ceasefire.

3. In each of the steps, security prisoners will be released in accordance with the provisions of this resolution only after the Israeli abductees have been handed over to the security forces of the State of Israel, and all subject to the outline for the release of Israeli abductees as detailed in this decision.

4. Immediately after the cessation of hostilities required for the implementation of this resolution,
the operation in the Gaza Strip will continue in order to destroy the military capabilities and the governmental and organizational infrastructure of Hamas and the Islamic Jihad in the Gaza Strip and to create the conditions for the return of all the abductees.








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In reply to RGLAG85 • 9:25a, 11/22/23
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RGLAG85 said:
fc2112 said:
And watch - most of the Israeli female hostages will turn up pregnant from gang rapes. They're animals.
As indicated in the above post, the young females, well, maybe most females, will be declared dead by Hamas by IDF strikes because Hamas can't let them go to tell their horrific stories.


According to the post above (Bethany Mandel tweet)this has already started happening.
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In reply to LMCane • 9:34a, 11/22/23
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LMCane said:
I hope it was messy and painful.

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9:39a, 11/22/23
we posted videos weeks ago of Hamas terrorists shooting down dogs and Israeli animals

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9:40a, 11/22/23


This is how you do propaganda.

I'm sure many Palestinian children have died as a result of Israeli actions since 10/7.

It's to be expected because 1. A significant portion of the gaza population are children


And, this is big -2. Hamas built their ****ing network underneath and within the civilian population of gaza

So, Turkish media, should hamas be granted immunity because they are purposely located within the civilian population? Is that a get out of jail free card?
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In reply to Aust Ag • 9:49a, 11/22/23
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Correct. Also, apparently Hamas wanted to negotiate to hide as much as possible about where the prisoners will be released from during this pathetic ceasefire.



The coverage and analyses of this war must include, to astute observers, a consideration of where Qatari/Iranian etc. money goes to influence media and NGO's etc:



Voices such as Nina intend to facilitate a slaughter of Jews/Israeli's by Hamas and their allies;



Enemies of civility and co-existence include not just "Human Rights Watch" but also the UN RWA and World Health Organization (of course, the latter were complicit in covid terrorism by governments too):



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In reply to nortex97 • 9:51a, 11/22/23
WHO- "we didn't see what we didn't want to see"
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In reply to LMCane • 9:53a, 11/22/23
The no drone thing is absolutely insane. I sincerely hope the usa, Israel and whomever else says "drone" to mean a very specific thing but has plans to know exactly where the hostages are released from and to know the exact movements of hamas during this pause
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10:00a, 11/22/23
I can now proudly report that the ideas brainstormed by the F16 Fighting TexAgs board have been passed along and successfully implemented by the IDF:

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