Israel/Hamas going at it

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3:29p, 11/6/23
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In case it hasn't been posted already, this YouTube channel collects the videos from both sides of the conflict and has daily updates.

https://www.youtube.com/@warstream

There are quite a few videos in the last two days that show Hamas using RPGs against Merkavas at point-blank range.

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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 3:30p, 11/6/23
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ABATTBQ11 said:
Queen of Jordan is calling for a ceasefire and saying another hamas will just fill it's place after the Israelis exterminate them. She says they should lay down their arms and try to pursue peace.

How does Israel pursue peace with a group that predicates it's entire existence on the genocide of Jews and the destruction of Israel? Arabs have barely budged from the position of the complete denial of a Jewish state and the expulsion of Jews from the Holy Land in 100 years. It's ludicrous that the rest of the world keeps putting the expectation of peace on Israel when they are the only ones willing to compromise.

If Jordan is so concerned with peace, why don't they have their own soldiers clear out hamas and hezbollah and the like? If they want peace so badly for the poor palestinians, then let them cut out the cancer and leave behind a population that won't continue to provoke Israel. Let the arabs be peacekeepers and police their own and put their money and blood where their mouths are.
Kill my child, wife, friends etc..... there is no peace. Death is the only thing I would offer that scum and I'd wipte them off the face of the earth.
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In reply to Reload8098 • 4:42p, 11/6/23
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Reload8098 said:
ABATTBQ11 said:
Queen of Jordan is calling for a ceasefire and saying another hamas will just fill it's place after the Israelis exterminate them. She says they should lay down their arms and try to pursue peace.

How does Israel pursue peace with a group that predicates it's entire existence on the genocide of Jews and the destruction of Israel? Arabs have barely budged from the position of the complete denial of a Jewish state and the expulsion of Jews from the Holy Land in 100 years. It's ludicrous that the rest of the world keeps putting the expectation of peace on Israel when they are the only ones willing to compromise.

If Jordan is so concerned with peace, why don't they have their own soldiers clear out hamas and hezbollah and the like? If they want peace so badly for the poor palestinians, then let them cut out the cancer and leave behind a population that won't continue to provoke Israel. Let the arabs be peacekeepers and police their own and put their money and blood where their mouths are.
Kill my child, wife, friends etc..... there is no peace. Death is the only thing I would offer that scum and I'd wipte them off the face of the earth.
The Queen of Jordan was from the Palestinian territory if memory serves. So it is possible some of her family is being killed by the IDF. But the point still stands, Israel didn't start it, they are just finishing it.
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 5:12p, 11/6/23
ABATTBQ11 said:
Queen of Jordan is calling for a ceasefire and saying another hamas will just fill it's place after the Israelis exterminate them. She says they should lay down their arms and try to pursue peace.

How does Israel pursue peace with a group that predicates it's entire existence on the genocide of Jews and the destruction of Israel? Arabs have barely budged from the position of the complete denial of a Jewish state and the expulsion of Jews from the Holy Land in 100 years. It's ludicrous that the rest of the world keeps putting the expectation of peace on Israel when they are the only ones willing to compromise.

If Jordan is so concerned with peace, why don't they have their own soldiers clear out hamas and hezbollah and the like? If they want peace so badly for the poor palestinians, then let them cut out the cancer and leave behind a population that won't continue to provoke Israel. Let the arabs be peacekeepers and police their own and put their money and blood where their mouths are.


Is that a threat, Queen?

I agree with her to am extent. Half ass this job and leave a opening for Hamas to remain, then yes, it will remain and likely grow. That's what the west wants. That's what the EU wants.

If you wipe it off the earth, kill all its leaders, kills as many fighters as you can find, and scare the Palestinian people into never supporting it again, it will not be a problem. This has happened so many time in history.

This happened with the American Indians, the nazis, the Japanese, and countless others.

Peace cannot be had without the total decimation of those not wanting peace
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5:14p, 11/6/23
Jordan is virtue signaling for the masses and the leadership knows the Palestinians are a cancer. They had to fight a civil war to get them to leave.
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5:17p, 11/6/23
The idea that you can pursue peace with Hamas is the equivalent of thinking you can have a pet rattlesnake roaming free in your house.

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6:50p, 11/6/23
Pro-Palestine protesters try to storm Incirlik air base in Turkey:
“If you’re going to have crime it should at least be organized crime”
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In reply to UTExan • 7:12p, 11/6/23
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Pro-Palestine protesters try to storm Incirlik air base in Turkey:
Forget the teargas, police should have shot live rounds.
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In reply to Tramp96 • 7:43p, 11/6/23
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Tramp96 said:
The idea that you can pursue peace with Hamas is the equivalent of thinking you can have a pet rattlesnake roaming free in your house.
Except that rattlesnakes are not aggressive and only strike when they're defending themselves.

Don't be hating on rattlesnakes like that...
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7:48p, 11/6/23
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Maybe I'm just bitter but the people of Gaza aren't innocent in this. They could easily destroy every Hamas member based on the numbers but instead support them and breed more of them.
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In reply to Muy • 5:28a, 11/7/23
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That's not bitterness, it's logic.



Good. Long term cleansing/enforcement is required.

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In reply to nortex97 • 5:44a, 11/7/23
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nortex97 said:



Yes, that's what "indefinite" means.

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In reply to Psycho Bunny • 6:08a, 11/7/23
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Incirlik has 50 B-61 US nuclear weapons on base. Its pretty much a base inside of a base and getting into it with artillery is pretty much impossible but still
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6:14a, 11/7/23
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6:18a, 11/7/23
I have to wonder how many of those "civilians" are Hamas. How is the IDF vetting the evacuees?
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In reply to 2000AgPhD • 6:27a, 11/7/23
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2000AgPhD said:
I have to wonder how many of those "civilians" are Hamas. How is the IDF vetting the evacuees?


Looks like mostly military age males from the video. Should just pin them all up and....
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In reply to 2000AgPhD • 6:32a, 11/7/23
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2000AgPhD said:
I have to wonder how many of those "civilians" are Hamas. How is the IDF vetting the evacuees?
They really aren't. There may be a checkpoint to ensure they are disarmed, but likely not. I posted a day or two ago the map showing the pre-war population density of Gaza, where the much denser parts/third are in the northern third, especially Gaza city.

They want that as depopulated as possible of 'civilians' as the utility shut off fully hits and the 'militants' (terrorists) start getting hungry etc. (And yes, I know they have stashes of food/water, but eventually that lack of toilets etc. takes a mental toll). The IDF has basically put a cordon around these highly dense population areas as they have bombarded them (from the sea, to that east west corridor, to the 'regular' borders with Israel proper). The bloody, 100K street fighting to follow will be easier without these people packed into it.

Get the cub scouts to vacate, is a good idea, basically:

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7:34a, 11/7/23
Good deal. Israel will have to kill their children and grandchildren when they grow older.
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7:46a, 11/7/23
SEND IN THE HOUNDS Israel to deploy ferocious attack dogs to maul Hamas tunnel terrorists as training vid shows hound on rampage


The specially-trained military canines are able to sniff out explosives, find entrances and maul terrorists
Katie Davis Jessica Baker

ISRAEL has trained a unit of attack dogs to send into Hamas' vast tunnel network and take down terrorists.

Dramatic footage of a training exercise shows a hound running through a mock-up underground passage before mauling a fake fighter. The clip, shared by IDF spokesman Ofir Gendelman, shows the dog sink its teeth into a masked militant, who screamed loudly.

Footage is understood to be a part of Israel's drills and no dogs have so far been deployed in active combat.

Specially-trained military canines are part of the Oketz unit - able to sniff out explosives, find entrances and maul terrorists.

It is thought they could be sent into Hamas' mysterious 311-mile maze of tunnels.

Hidden up to 100ft below the surface, the entrances are enclosed under the floors of homes, mosques and schools - allowing fighters to move unseen between homes and alleyways within Gaza.

It is used by the warped group to transport people and goods as well as store rocks and ammunition.

The tunnels are understood to be connected to launch pits where rockets have been fired from towards Israeli areas.

Hamas' command and control centres are also housed in the intricate system away from Israel's watch.

'Sic em!
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In reply to El Hombre Mas Guapo • 7:48a, 11/7/23
El Hombre Mas Guapo said:
2000AgPhD said:
I have to wonder how many of those "civilians" are Hamas. How is the IDF vetting the evacuees?


Looks like mostly military age males from the video. Should just pin them all up and....
every video we see of the damage in Gaza there are literally hundreds of military age males standing around and no women, no girls

just a coincidence!
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7:54a, 11/7/23
Great find from the posts above.

what's fascinating here is this is Salah Al Din Street, the main north-south boulevard which runs the length of the Strip

and there is a Merkava tank sitting right there.

so maybe this is at the line where the IDF cut the Strip in two from east to west, or maybe it's another place where the IDF was able to penetrate halfway into the Strip

also interesting to see the civilians using white flags which is a very good sign. and being willing to walk past an Israeli tank (clearly committing genocide against them! sarcasm tag)

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In reply to deddog • 8:16a, 11/7/23
deddog said:
In case it hasn't been posted already, this YouTube channel collects the videos from both sides of the conflict and has daily updates.

https://www.youtube.com/@warstream

There are quite a few videos in the last two days that show Hamas using RPGs against Merkavas at point-blank range.

keep in mind that the IDF Merkava and the Namer AFV and other vehicles utilize the TROPHY ADS which shoots at the incoming rockets before impact

Thus, we have seen many "explosions" are the warhead blowing up before it penetrates the vehicles. which is why Hamas doesn't show the after effects as the IDF tanks keep moving forward.

Trophy in action saving Merkava tank:

Keep moving
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In reply to LMCane • 8:27a, 11/7/23
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From that also learned what a coaxial machine gun on the tanks is used for and makes sense with the majority of the battles the IDF fights
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8:28a, 11/7/23
this woman who has no reason to defend the Israelis is stating that the IDF was firing, but not at the civilians

the ultimate irony is that Israel opens humanitarian corridors to save Palestinian civilian lives, and Hamas is either attacking the civilians or attacking the IDF troops near the corridor.

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In reply to P.U.T.U • 8:43a, 11/7/23
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P.U.T.U said:
From that also learned what a coaxial machine gun on the tanks is used for and makes sense with the majority of the battles the IDF fights


The primary weapon of a tank in combined arms battle is actually the coax. It is far more useful against infantry and is used to suppress enemy infantry and allow friendly infantry to manuver on them. The main gun is really only if enemy armor shows up or for bunkers or hard targets. People often forget that because the coax machine gun is so unobtrusive.
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In reply to LMCane • 8:53a, 11/7/23
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LMCane said:

No expert here, but that last missile sure looks like it might have hit munitions inside the building. The explosion has a much bigger shockwave and the detonation cloud goes up much faster and higher than the ones on the first two shots.

Also -

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In reply to Ag87H2O • 9:37a, 11/7/23
Ag87H2O said:
LMCane said:

No expert here, but that last missile sure looks like it might have hit munitions inside the building. The explosion has a much bigger shockwave and the detonation cloud goes up much faster and higher than the ones on the first two shots.

Also -

absolutely that Al Azhar University was a training ground for Hamas

and also munitions storage which makes sense that they are able to build missiles and energetics in their labs.

or at least they WERE able to build it in the past.
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10:06a, 11/7/23
This is my shocked face:

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In reply to LMCane • 10:21a, 11/7/23
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LMCane said:
The only redeeming thing about that is when they get smoked by the IDF, they won't hear it coming.

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In reply to LMCane • 10:30a, 11/7/23
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More likely, each will be counted as 5-6 civilians.
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In reply to LMCane • 10:59a, 11/7/23
LMCane said:
This is my shocked face:



I commend the IDF crews sitting in those tanks watching military-aged men file past them, glaring at them. Would certainly be easy to have a lapse in discipline.
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