Israel/Hamas going at it

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aggiehawg said:

Bubblez said:

It's looking like some of those videos over the rocket misfire aren't holding up.
Link? Or just wishful thinking?
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Israel will be fine, they are still going to war
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Bubblez said:

Spoony Love said:

"Failed" rocket


Hitting that hospital is about as unlucky as you can get for a failed rocket

Another theory - they had a rocket launcher at the hospital and were trying to launch a second barrage from there, but whatever they were trying to launch failed to do so and blew up in the launcher, right next to the hospital.

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Bubblez said:

aggiehawg said:

Bubblez said:

It's looking like some of those videos over the rocket misfire aren't holding up.
Link? Or just wishful thinking?

Yes, it was not the IDF but a HAMAS rocket.

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Of course what this really means is that Hamas will double down on using hospitals, schools, civilians, etc as cover even more.

They (Hamas) are vile evil people and unfortunately most of the world is too stupid and gullible to see the danger in that. And their own people are too religiously fanatic to want to stop them.
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Don't forget to add using holy sites as well.
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samurai_science said:

Bubblez said:

aggiehawg said:

Bubblez said:

It's looking like some of those videos over the rocket misfire aren't holding up.
Link? Or just wishful thinking?

Yes, it was not the IDF but a HAMAS rocket.


So, Israel is really gonna get the blame for shooting down a rocket aimed at their citizenry by Hamas, because the act of shooting down a rocket aimed to kill Israelis, ended up hitting a hospital that had a rocket barrage stored there by Hamas and ended up blowing up said hospital in the process.

Leftits and MSM= lay down and take it Israel, it's the only way.
"Green" is the new RED.
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[Stop derailing the thread. It has nothing to do with donor objections to the University of Pennsylvania -- Staff]
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Protestors marching on US Embassy in Beirut Fox News reporting.
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Israel is infllicting heavy losses on Palestinians. My prediction is that the Palestinians along with the Western left and Jihadi forces will try to play victim to make the world bear down on Israel.

The other thing Hamas may do is to bomb its own hospitals and schools to blame Israel and try to portray them as heartless. This has happened before, it is not outside their playbook.
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Hamas bombing a hospital say it ain't so.
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infinity ag said:

Israel is infllicting heavy losses on Palestinians. My prediction is that the Palestinians along with the Western left and Jihadi forces will try to play victim to make the world bear down on Israel.

The other thing Hamas may do is to bomb its own hospitals and schools to blame Israel and try to portray them as heartless. This has happened before, it is not outside their playbook.


Ummm. Yeah.
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Yeah, I think a lot of people saw that coming from day one. During the ground incursion in 2008, Israeli soldiers had to defuse bombs that were placed in schools. It's long been in the jihadi playbook.

The difference this time around is that the power of social media is just so amplified and the ability to reach so many dumb people simultaneously is the strongest it's ever been in the history of the world.

Incorrect information circles the world 20 times before the truth trickles out and the young, dumb, uneducated poor men in that region of the world convince themselves that they are going to be religious superheroes and go fight for the cause. It is a very, very hard thing to counter.
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Biden is dumb. Wars never go according to the war plan. Like Netanyahu is going to tell President Poopy Pants anything useful or accurate?

If anything, tell Biden misinformation and let him talk about that.
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JobSecurity said:






Interesting. We shall see what this means if anything I suppose.
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Will likely go off with the same bang their world wide day of rage went last friday.
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samurai_science said:

Israel will be fine, they are still going to war


They've lost the PR/media war (as predicted). They're not going to do much more than they already are doing.
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What do I know, but I would believe that to be an enticing statement. Take the bait, so to speak.
We shouldn't let Iran dictate the next steps with this simple chess move.
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TXaggiesTX said:

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TXaggiesTX said:

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There's very little chance the Israelis hit a hospital…

The ME wants full scale war with the West…


From listening to Morons like Lindsey Graham and Nikki Haley it certainly seems like America is the one itching for war. Didn't Janet Yellen just say "we can afford 2 wars". Insane.

Talking about this conflict is impossible because both sides just say everything their side does that normal people would consider horrific is fake. And there's plenty on both sides.
what EXACTLY has been "fake" from the Israeli side?
Additionally, the idea that this all just started relatively unprovoked is a lie, both sides have been killing civilians from the other side for decades.
This is such bull**** and only a reason for you to hold onto an anti-Israeli view point. Show me one time Israel has killed Palestinian civilians unprovoked and I'll show you a hundred of the Palestinians doing it to Israelis.
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Israel should tell Biden "thanks for your concern" and shoot Iran the finger as they continue doing whatever they deem necessary to completely annihilate Hamas.
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Thank you.
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-military-intercepted-communications-indicating-islamic-jihad-fired-hospital-rocket/

Needs to go out to Arab countries and the worls to hear the intercept.
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RGLAG85 said:

TXaggiesTX said:

LMCane said:

TXaggiesTX said:

FireAg said:

There's very little chance the Israelis hit a hospital…

The ME wants full scale war with the West…


From listening to Morons like Lindsey Graham and Nikki Haley it certainly seems like America is the one itching for war. Didn't Janet Yellen just say "we can afford 2 wars". Insane.

Talking about this conflict is impossible because both sides just say everything their side does that normal people would consider horrific is fake. And there's plenty on both sides.
what EXACTLY has been "fake" from the Israeli side?
Additionally, the idea that this all just started relatively unprovoked is a lie, both sides have been killing civilians from the other side for decades.
This is such bull**** and only a reason for you to hold onto an anti-Israeli view point. Show me one time Israel has killed Palestinian civilians unprovoked and I'll show you a hundred of the Palestinians doing it to Israelis.


Ok. From times of Israel - 151 Palestinians died in the conflict last year (PA claims 167), versus 27 Israelites. Most estimates of the deaths this month have Israeli deaths at 1,500 and Palestinian deaths around 3,000.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/2022-shaping-up-to-be-deadliest-for-israelis-and-palestinians-in-years/amp/

Excerpts from the article:

Several bystanders have been killed amid the gun battles too, such as Al Jazeera reporter Shireen Abu Akleh, who was accidentally shot dead by an Israeli soldier during a raid in Jenin in May.

On Sunday night, a 16-year-old girl, Jana Zakarna, was apparently shot dead by an Israeli soldier as she was on a rooftop in Jenin, amid an armed clash between troops and Palestinian gunmen.

In the cases of Abu Akleh, Zakarna, and Omar Assad a Palestinian who had a heart attack and died after being arrested and later abandoned by troops Israeli officials and even the army have apologized for their deaths.

But there have also been Palestinians killed in murkier circumstances, such as Ammar Shafiq Abu Afifa, an unarmed 19-year-old student who was shot dead after running away from troops who sought to question him. The IDF did not say he sought to commit an attack or was otherwise wanted for questioning.

Excerpt from United Nations report in 2022

Reiterating the United Nations steadfast support to both sides in achieving a sustainable peace, he outlined recent developments on the ground, noting that a total of 14 Palestinians were killed between 8 December 2022 and 13 January 2023, and another 117 were injured by Israeli security forces. Israeli settlers or other civilians perpetrated 63 attacks against Palestinians resulting in 28 injuries, including six children. According to Israeli sources, five Israeli civilians and four security forces personnel were injured by Palestinians in attacks, clashes, the throwing of stones and Molotov cocktails, and other incidents. Palestinians perpetrated a total of 89 attacks against Israeli civilians during the reporting period.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/with-2022-deadliest-year-in-israel-palestine-conflict-reversing-violent-trends-must-be-international-priority-middle-east-coordinator-tells-security-council-press-release-sc-15179/
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TXaggiesTX said:

RGLAG85 said:

TXaggiesTX said:

LMCane said:

TXaggiesTX said:

FireAg said:

There's very little chance the Israelis hit a hospital…

The ME wants full scale war with the West…


From listening to Morons like Lindsey Graham and Nikki Haley it certainly seems like America is the one itching for war. Didn't Janet Yellen just say "we can afford 2 wars". Insane.

Talking about this conflict is impossible because both sides just say everything their side does that normal people would consider horrific is fake. And there's plenty on both sides.
what EXACTLY has been "fake" from the Israeli side?
Additionally, the idea that this all just started relatively unprovoked is a lie, both sides have been killing civilians from the other side for decades.
This is such bull**** and only a reason for you to hold onto an anti-Israeli view point. Show me one time Israel has killed Palestinian civilians unprovoked and I'll show you a hundred of the Palestinians doing it to Israelis.


Ok. From times of Israel - 151 Palestinians died in the conflict last year (PA claims 167), versus 27 Israelites. Most estimates of the deaths this month have Israeli deaths at 1,500 and Palestinian deaths around 3,000.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/2022-shaping-up-to-be-deadliest-for-israelis-and-palestinians-in-years/amp/

Excerpts from the article:

Several bystanders have been killed amid the gun battles too, such as Al Jazeera reporter Shireen Abu Akleh, who was accidentally shot dead by an Israeli soldier during a raid in Jenin in May.

On Sunday night, a 16-year-old girl, Jana Zakarna, was apparently shot dead by an Israeli soldier as she was on a rooftop in Jenin, amid an armed clash between troops and Palestinian gunmen.

In the cases of Abu Akleh, Zakarna, and Omar Assad a Palestinian who had a heart attack and died after being arrested and later abandoned by troops Israeli officials and even the army have apologized for their deaths.

But there have also been Palestinians killed in murkier circumstances, such as Ammar Shafiq Abu Afifa, an unarmed 19-year-old student who was shot dead after running away from troops who sought to question him. The IDF did not say he sought to commit an attack or was otherwise wanted for questioning.

Excerpt from United Nations report in 2022

Reiterating the United Nations steadfast support to both sides in achieving a sustainable peace, he outlined recent developments on the ground, noting that a total of 14 Palestinians were killed between 8 December 2022 and 13 January 2023, and another 117 were injured by Israeli security forces. Israeli settlers or other civilians perpetrated 63 attacks against Palestinians resulting in 28 injuries, including six children. According to Israeli sources, five Israeli civilians and four security forces personnel were injured by Palestinians in attacks, clashes, the throwing of stones and Molotov cocktails, and other incidents. Palestinians perpetrated a total of 89 attacks against Israeli civilians during the reporting period.


Who provoked it?

Again, show me where Israel has just killed Palestinians because it was a Tuesday?
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Anything that needs to be discussed was already done between Bibi's and Biden's staff. This is an important meeting for the visibility of it all. Iran didn't want similar ones to be had with Abbas or Abdullah II, which is likely why there was so much propaganda around the hospital situation.

This war is being fought on social media as much as on the ground in the Levant.
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Why the outrage for some hospital in Gaza? This is war. A war Israel didn't start

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They're not shooting them down at launch. That's just naive to even suggest. How is an interceptor system which would be miles away at minimum going to detect the launch, select a target, fire an interceptor, have it cover the distance, in a few seconds after launch?

Just dumb ass for anyone with a brain to believe that.
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BTHOB said:

samurai_science said:

Israel will be fine, they are still going to war


They've lost the PR/media war (as predicted). They're not going to do much more than they already are doing.
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TXaggiesTX said:

RGLAG85 said:

TXaggiesTX said:

LMCane said:

TXaggiesTX said:

FireAg said:

There's very little chance the Israelis hit a hospital…

The ME wants full scale war with the West…


From listening to Morons like Lindsey Graham and Nikki Haley it certainly seems like America is the one itching for war. Didn't Janet Yellen just say "we can afford 2 wars". Insane.

Talking about this conflict is impossible because both sides just say everything their side does that normal people would consider horrific is fake. And there's plenty on both sides.
what EXACTLY has been "fake" from the Israeli side?
Additionally, the idea that this all just started relatively unprovoked is a lie, both sides have been killing civilians from the other side for decades.
This is such bull**** and only a reason for you to hold onto an anti-Israeli view point. Show me one time Israel has killed Palestinian civilians unprovoked and I'll show you a hundred of the Palestinians doing it to Israelis.


Ok. From times of Israel - 151 Palestinians died in the conflict last year (PA claims 167), versus 27 Israelites. Most estimates of the deaths this month have Israeli deaths at 1,500 and Palestinian deaths around 3,000.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/2022-shaping-up-to-be-deadliest-for-israelis-and-palestinians-in-years/amp/

Excerpts from the article:

Several bystanders have been killed amid the gun battles too, such as Al Jazeera reporter Shireen Abu Akleh, who was accidentally shot dead by an Israeli soldier during a raid in Jenin in May.

On Sunday night, a 16-year-old girl, Jana Zakarna, was apparently shot dead by an Israeli soldier as she was on a rooftop in Jenin, amid an armed clash between troops and Palestinian gunmen.

In the cases of Abu Akleh, Zakarna, and Omar Assad a Palestinian who had a heart attack and died after being arrested and later abandoned by troops Israeli officials and even the army have apologized for their deaths.

But there have also been Palestinians killed in murkier circumstances, such as Ammar Shafiq Abu Afifa, an unarmed 19-year-old student who was shot dead after running away from troops who sought to question him. The IDF did not say he sought to commit an attack or was otherwise wanted for questioning.

Excerpt from United Nations report in 2022

Reiterating the United Nations steadfast support to both sides in achieving a sustainable peace, he outlined recent developments on the ground, noting that a total of 14 Palestinians were killed between 8 December 2022 and 13 January 2023, and another 117 were injured by Israeli security forces. Israeli settlers or other civilians perpetrated 63 attacks against Palestinians resulting in 28 injuries, including six children. According to Israeli sources, five Israeli civilians and four security forces personnel were injured by Palestinians in attacks, clashes, the throwing of stones and Molotov cocktails, and other incidents. Palestinians perpetrated a total of 89 attacks against Israeli civilians during the reporting period.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/with-2022-deadliest-year-in-israel-palestine-conflict-reversing-violent-trends-must-be-international-priority-middle-east-coordinator-tells-security-council-press-release-sc-15179/
Who cares? Kill them all
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BillYeoman said:

Why the outrage for some hospital in Gaza? This is war. A war Israel didn't start



Hamas killed 100s of people at the music event. So even if Israel bombed the hospital, how is it any different? Why the extra outrage? You are right.

This is typical islamic victimhood playing. They slap you, and when you slap them back, they crash to the ground and start yelping like a puppy.
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BillYeoman said:

Why the outrage for some hospital in Gaza? This is war. A war Israel didn't start


Its a lie, HAMAS hit the hospital
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