Israel/Hamas going at it

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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 4:23p, 10/9/23
Agthatbuilds said:


This is one of the non militant Palestinians, fwiw.

Yeah, hope you like the dark


It's like he borrowed one of Putin's statements about Russian attacks on civilians or an Assad statement about attacks on Syrian civs, bust just changed some names. These people are filth and operate from the same playbook.
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In reply to Yukon Cornelius • 4:26p, 10/9/23
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I prefer 1st Samuel.... chapter 15.... verses 1 thru 3 specifically.
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4:27p, 10/9/23
Regarding Iran, is the group thinking here that China, India and Russia are just going to sit on the side and let the US and Iran have a go at it? Same for many other countries. Are they going to be just peachy happy with oil prices soaring, supply chains interrupted, and such just so America can stand with Israel to try and give Iran the middle finger?

This on the heels of us causing global issues particularly impacting many of the same bystanders in order to prop up Ukraine in an effort to give Russia the finger. You think there is going to be a global rally behind the US on any conflict with Iran? Hardly.

Biden has gone full steam ahead into global conflict with no plan, no objective and certainly no consideration for what is in the best interest of the US.

But at least we no longer have mean tweets.
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In reply to Ag87H2O • 4:28p, 10/9/23
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AgLiving06 said:


This is a very tough watch, but Shapiro uses Hamas's own videos to show just what kind of people we are dealing with.
Every American should be forced to watch this segment in its entirity. If is sickening. This is what real, pure evil looks like.

You don't ignore it, placate it, negotiate with it, appease it, or co-exist and live with it. You eliminate it from the face of the earth. They were given opportunity to have a homeland and create a better life for themselves and their families. Hamas and the Palestinians that support it have no one to blame but themselves for what is about to happen to them and their uncivilization.

This is a righteous fight that has to be won, and won now while the civilized world finally understands.
Holy crap, only halfway through and I have no words for what I have just seen. All I can say is that my anti-muslim sentiment is bubbling up in a big way. These people follow an evil murderous rapist and pedophile who forced a SIX YEAR OLD to be his wife/sex slave.

Any religion founded by such a demonic peice of sh** was doomed from the get go.
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4:29p, 10/9/23
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Quote:
storybook collection of fables from long ago is not germane to a discussion on global politics.


well, that exact thing is the basis for everything contained in this thread.
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In reply to txags92 • 4:33p, 10/9/23
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txags92 said:
GAC06 said:
aggiehawg said:
Wrec86 Ag said:
deddog said:
Nitro Power said:
aggiehawg said:
Nitro Power said:
45-70Ag said:
Why would Iran do that though? We don't have to fight a war with boots on the ground. A few strategic drone strikes and you can cripple them.
Blockade their ports and destroy their oil infrastructure. Game over.
Then let Israel destroy their nuclear program, which they have done before.
1. Cannot blockade Iranian ports, would cause a catastrophic increase in oil prices
2. Much harder said than done, this isn't Osirak. The Iranians have done a very good job of distributing their sites, they are well defended, and an Israeli air attack would be extremely difficult because of the extreme ranges, and the (likely) inability to overly Saudi Arabia.Plus the need to overfly Syria + Iraq, and then make the return journey home.
Point 2 sounds like a small re-write of Top Gun Maverick.
Don't we have two naval bases in Bahrain? That's just a hop skip and a jump to Iran.


They're talking about the difficulty for Israel to reach Iran. We don't have that problem.
We have plenty of tanker assets in the area to help them out too.


They have tankers. The real problem is their need to overfly some combination of Jordan/Syria/Iraq/Saudi Arabia/Turkey both there and back. They won't have permission and the distance involved means they need it for numerous refueling points for a strike package, or really several.

I guess they might be ok over Iraq
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In reply to fka ftc • 4:33p, 10/9/23
fka ftc said:


Biden has gone full steam ahead into global conflict with no plan, no objective and certainly no consideration for what is in the best interest of the US.

But at least we no longer have mean tweets.


Yep. And it's resulted in nothing but continued instability. Biden projects weakness, leads from the rear, and then tries to play catch-up without any unified strategy once his squishy stances produce outbreaks of violence, resulting in absolute cluster****ery. It's amateur hour in the Oval Office, without a doubt.
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In reply to will25u • 4:34p, 10/9/23
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In reply to will25u • 4:38p, 10/9/23
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Should have kept his mouth shut. If he stands with Hamas, no nukes for SA.

Dumb.
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In reply to will25u • 4:38p, 10/9/23
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will25u said:
What Saudi Arabia says is for their domestic public consumption. What they DO is often quite different. Of course they are going to come out and say they don't want to see palestinians killed. But if Israel wants to knock Iran down a few pegs, I doubt SA will stand in their way because it serves SA's agenda as well.
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4:39p, 10/9/23
I'll just leave this here:

Deuteronomy 20:10-13: 10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it.

Israel has made many offers of peace, to Hamas and the Palestinians at large. These have been refused.

If Hamas wants to play by Old Testament rules, I say, Israel should play by Old Testament rules.

Hamas Delenda Est.
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In reply to Smeghead4761 • 4:42p, 10/9/23
Smeghead4761 said:
I'll just leave this here:

Deuteronomy 20:10-13: 10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it.

Israel has made many offers of peace, to Hamas and the Palestinians at large. These have been refused.

If Hamas wants to play by Old Testament rules, I say, Israel should play by Old Testament rules.

Hamas Delenda Est.

Quran is Old Testament? This comparison seems like a stretch.
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4:49p, 10/9/23
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In reply to will25u • 4:51p, 10/9/23
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will25u said:


Well, there it is.
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In reply to Old May Banker • 4:52p, 10/9/23
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Old May Banker said:
I prefer 1st Samuel.... chapter 15.... verses 1 thru 3 specifically.


Amen. It's coming
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4:55p, 10/9/23
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Hopefully some Saudis will stand really close to these Palestinians that are about to get wasted
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In reply to fka ftc • 4:55p, 10/9/23
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fka ftc said:
Phatbob said:
fka ftc said:
It's only a ridiculous comparison because you want to nuance it with what you think the Indians would want and what you think most Palestinians want and what you ignore that some Jews want.

If they had an opinion, I would think most indigenous tribes would have been fine with "eradicating" the presence of white colonists.

They are many Jews who support the eradication of all Muslims.

Taking the positions of Hamas and Hezbollah and applying that to all Palestinians is what is ridiculous.
Got the receipts for that? If you are talking about Israel, a large portion of the in-good-standing and voting population are Muslim. There are a-hole Jews just like there are a-hole any other ethnic group, but Israeli Jews are unique in that their direct neighbors would rather blow up their kids to kill them than to admit that Israel has a right to exist.

The Palestinian state has been offered 100% of what they wanted in the past with the 1 caveat that they had to drop the part of their charter which calls for the absolute destruction of Israel and they refused to accept it.
Israeli citizen not the same thing as Jew. Are you claiming there are Jewish muslims? That's a new one.


You made the claim about Jews wanting to exterminate all Muslims, I just asked for the evidence. And I pointed out about Muslim Israeli citizens since Israel is the subject of this whole thing and wondering why your assertion would have anything to do with this.
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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 4:57p, 10/9/23
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Agthatbuilds said:


**** palestine. I hope Israel wipes them from the face of the earth.
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5:00p, 10/9/23
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UN what do you have to say about this?


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In reply to JFABNRGR • 5:03p, 10/9/23
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These people (anyone that engages in or encourages this type of behavior) need to be eliminated. Truly evil people…
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In reply to Yukon Cornelius • 5:09p, 10/9/23
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Yukon Cornelius said:
Old May Banker said:
I prefer 1st Samuel.... chapter 15.... verses 1 thru 3 specifically.


Amen. It's coming

It's long overdue.
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In reply to CDUB98 • 5:12p, 10/9/23
CDUB98 said:
will25u said:


Well, there it is.


Seeing as how nearly all of the terrorists of 9/11 came from there, no one should be shocked. No one.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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In reply to txags92 • 5:13p, 10/9/23
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txags92 said:
GAC06 said:
aggiehawg said:
Wrec86 Ag said:
deddog said:
Nitro Power said:
aggiehawg said:
Nitro Power said:
45-70Ag said:
Why would Iran do that though? We don't have to fight a war with boots on the ground. A few strategic drone strikes and you can cripple them.
Blockade their ports and destroy their oil infrastructure. Game over.
Then let Israel destroy their nuclear program, which they have done before.
1. Cannot blockade Iranian ports, would cause a catastrophic increase in oil prices
2. Much harder said than done, this isn't Osirak. The Iranians have done a very good job of distributing their sites, they are well defended, and an Israeli air attack would be extremely difficult because of the extreme ranges, and the (likely) inability to overly Saudi Arabia.Plus the need to overfly Syria + Iraq, and then make the return journey home.
Point 2 sounds like a small re-write of Top Gun Maverick.
Don't we have two naval bases in Bahrain? That's just a hop skip and a jump to Iran.


They're talking about the difficulty for Israel to reach Iran. We don't have that problem.
We have plenty of tanker assets in the area to help them out too.
I'm making the assumption that the US wouldn't get involved. Its a lot easier for us, for sure.
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In reply to CDUB98 • 5:15p, 10/9/23
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CDUB98 said:
will25u said:


Well, there it is.
They aren't going to say anything different publicly. What SA doesn't want is Iran being the "Leader" of the islamic world. It's also nuts to me that Iran(primarily Shia) would support Hamas (orimarily Sunni), but that's Iran's way of showing who's boss in the islamic world.
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In reply to txags92 • 5:16p, 10/9/23
txags92 said:
fka ftc said:
Andrew Dufresne said:
So you're saying these children are inherently evil.


Some folks make a declaration of which sorts of people, countries and religion are acceptable and which are not. Those deemed unacceptable are classified as evildoers whose corpses must be stacked.

Israel's arrogance since its formation / reformation has culpability in the continued violence. The land on which Israel sits has been disputed and changed hands many times over the millennia. Palestinians have a very legitimate claim to the territory and were essentially put on a reservation following WWI and then absolutely following WWII.

I do not condone nor defend their methods and terroristic attacks. But it's not correct for people to just label them as evildoers with no basis for their violence.

Not going to derail, but you can absolutely attribute the ongoing conflict in Israel on what the Brits did following WWI. Happy to defend that statement on another thread but it is not false information.
They were granted certain lands after WWII and Israel was granted certain lands, so both were "put on reservations" after WWII. They almost immediately began attacking Israel to try to take away their land. The Israelis have won the repeated battles and wars that have brought us to today. The "Palestinians" have been offered all manner of solutions to the dispute, including their own country and the talks have stumbled over the right of Israel to exist. As of this time, there is no credible agency with which Israel can negotiate a lasting and durable peace. Nobody in the Gaza strip is willing to coexist with Israel or even to accept their right to exist, so there is nothing for Israel to negotiate with. This war is simply a continuation of an existential struggle for the Israelis, and as with all the others, it was started by the Palestinians and their various puppet masters.

If you look at the history and goal of Islam, it is to be supreme and kill all other religions (Don't believe what your buddy Mohammed tells you, he is plainly lying). Lying is allowed in Islam if you do it to protect Islam. So this explains why Muslims there cannot deal with Israel existing.
Same situation with Pakistan and India. India wants nothing to do with Pakistan. Pakistan wants India to cease to exist because it is not an Islamic nation full of Muslims.

In some years, if their numbers increase in the US, they will start to kill the rest of us as well.
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5:18p, 10/9/23
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Question about military intel and Hezbollah missile launch sites?

I assume just like we passed on intel in real time to the Ukrainians can we do the same to the Israelis with Hezbollah missile sites located upon launch to direct the IDF where to hit them?
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5:23p, 10/9/23
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Watching a live feed in GAZA, for the last 4 hours or so. There is a drone flying over constantly. Israel has always had enough intel to identify where the rockets are coming from.

The problem is that many are launched in the middle of densely packed residential neighborhoods, so not always easy to hit back.

On an unrelated note, the fact that intelligence had no idea that Hamas was planning this, has got be unnerving. It's like the US after 9/11, we had no idea how many sleeper sells there were in the US.
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In reply to deddog • 5:26p, 10/9/23
deddog said:
Watching a live feed in GAZA, for the last 4 hours or so. There is a drone flying over constantly. Israel has always had enough intel to identify where the rockets are coming from.

The problem is that many are in the middle of densely packed residential neighborhoods, so not always easy to hit back.

On an unrelated note, the fact that intelligence had no idea that Hamas was planning this, has got be unnerving. It's like the US after 9/11, we had no idea how many sleeper sells there were in the US.
And we don't now either....
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In reply to deddog • 5:27p, 10/9/23
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It's like the US after 9/11, we had no idea how many sleeper sells there were in the US.

And we still don't. Especially with Biden's border policy.
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In reply to Old May Banker • 5:28p, 10/9/23
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Old May Banker said:
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It's like the US after 9/11, we had no idea how many sleeper sells there were in the US.

And we still don't. Especially with Biden's border policy.
And the FBI looking for MAGA hats.
But what's Israeli intelligence's excuse?

Did they get complacent? Its still hard to imagine that Hamas rolled into border towns, and held them long enough to abduct dozens, maybe 100s of hostages.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 5:29p, 10/9/23
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aggiehawg said:
Question about military intel and Hezbollah missile launch sites?

I assume just like we passed on intel in real time to the Ukrainians can we do the same to the Israelis with Hezbollah missile sites located upon launch to direct the IDF where to hit them?


Difference between Ukraine and Israel is that Israel doesn't need us. They have world-class radars and other surveillance tech that likely allows them to pinpoint to within a few meters where the artillery and missiles are coming from, in real time. They're just showing restraint, so far.
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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 5:34p, 10/9/23
Agthatbuilds said:


This is one of the non militant Palestinians, fwiw.

Yeah, hope you like the dark
Bull***** CNN giving an apologist air time.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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