RangerRick9211 said:aggiehawg said:That's not what I meant. Those "hostages" are either already dead or are being tortured to near death. They have no real value to Hamas.JFABNRGR said:aggiehawg said:None.RangerRick9211 said:
Israel UN envoy confirmed "dozens" of US hostages in Gaza.
I wonder what SpecOps we have going before the ground invasion to rescue them.
Yeah the biden admin will just send billions of tax dollars in ransom.
Then why take them at all? It makes no sense to bring them back and kill them.
I think the human shield or negotiation leverage makes some sense.
“The EU wanted to issue a harsher statement but Luxembourg, Ireland and Denmark refused to call Hamas a terror organization,” a diplomatic source tells i24NEWS in reference to the EU statement on the Hamas attack on Israel
— i24NEWS English (@i24NEWS_EN) October 8, 2023
SHELTON@TAYLOR said:I can promise you that BIBI and Israel could care less what Biden says, threatens or otherwise...We have no control over their actions until this is over to their satisfactionHowdyTAMU said:Yes, Israel will consider them dead already, and, as you point out, they likely are or soon will be. Team Biden will use it as an excuse to keep them from doing what they need to do.aggiehawg said:That's not what I meant. Those "hostages" are either already dead or are being tortured to near death. They have no real value to Hamas.JFABNRGR said:aggiehawg said:None.RangerRick9211 said:
Israel UN envoy confirmed "dozens" of US hostages in Gaza.
I wonder what SpecOps we have going before the ground invasion to rescue them.
Yeah the biden admin will just send billions of tax dollars in ransom.
Doubtful. The only reason the Iran kept the embassy hostages alive was because they had value to them and were high profile.RangerRick9211 said:aggiehawg said:That's not what I meant. Those "hostages" are either already dead or are being tortured to near death. They have no real value to Hamas.JFABNRGR said:aggiehawg said:None.RangerRick9211 said:
Israel UN envoy confirmed "dozens" of US hostages in Gaza.
I wonder what SpecOps we have going before the ground invasion to rescue them.
Yeah the biden admin will just send billions of tax dollars in ransom.
Then why take them at all? It makes no sense to bring them back and kill them.
I think the human shield or negotiation leverage makes some sense.
ChemAg15 said:Isosceles_Kramer said:
Hamas is commiting major war crimes, and recording it for online view. I don't see how they can gather the usual sympathy and play the victim card with this attack. There are atrocities being shown unlike their previous attacks. Very sad.
This is what is alarming to me. Hamas is acting like they aren't going to play the victim card which means they WANT Isreal to respond with overwhelming force. Whoever is pulling the strings, their goal seems to be total warfare.
RangerRick9211 said:aggiehawg said:That's not what I meant. Those "hostages" are either already dead or are being tortured to near death. They have no real value to Hamas.JFABNRGR said:aggiehawg said:None.RangerRick9211 said:
Israel UN envoy confirmed "dozens" of US hostages in Gaza.
I wonder what SpecOps we have going before the ground invasion to rescue them.
Yeah the biden admin will just send billions of tax dollars in ransom.
Then why take them at all? It makes no sense to bring them back and kill them.
I think the human shield or negotiation leverage makes some sense.
HowdyTAMU said:Are they going to paraglide there?Troglodyte said:
They can go to West Bank.
Agthatbuilds said:
Did you read the letter
Here it is again. It succinctly presents the coming deluge of messages we're going to get about this attack being justifiedThis is the final crack in my broken heart - a joint statement from @Harvard students. I could be sitting in class with these students, watching children brutally murdered, raped, kidnapped and their mutated bodies torn apart by a jeering crowd - and hear why it’s justified. pic.twitter.com/UTi60Y2omJ
— Yael Bar tur (@yaelbt) October 8, 2023
Just in their DNA. Barbarism. Look what they did to the Ambassador in Libya. He was worht many buckaroos as a hostage. He was killed and defiled anyway.Quote:
Because they would rather make horrific snuff videos than for negotiating? Better question is why do they rape, torture, behead, desecrate the dead bodies, etc. when they could just shoot them dead?
$6bb to IranRusty Aha said:
Psycho Bunny said:
Rob sounds like he needs another booster shotDoes anyone one think that Trump showing Classified Israeli Intelligence to Lavrov in the Oval Office played any part in the Intelligence failure that led to the horrors were now witnessing?
— Rob Reiner (@robreiner) October 8, 2023
He was dead.Not a Bot said:
IIRC the photos of him being pulled out were of people trying to help him.
— Mark R. Levin (@marklevinshow) October 8, 2023
Old May Banker said:
All hell is going to break loose over there soon.
aggiehawg said:Just in their DNA. Barbarism. Look what they did to the Ambassador in Libya. He was worht many buckaroos as a hostage. He was killed and defiled anyway.Quote:
Because they would rather make horrific snuff videos than for negotiating? Better question is why do they rape, torture, behead, desecrate the dead bodies, etc. when they could just shoot them dead?
Look at the all of the atrocities the Japanese committed during WWII. They really believed down to their souls they were superior and that their inferiors deserved zero respect nor an ounce of humanity.
bonfarr said:
Israel isnt going to get those hostages back alive. Once that is assured we are going to see the fireworks begin. Any house that has housed a terrorist on Mossad's list is going to be leveled. Any military aged male with an AK in his hand is going to get smoked. They are likely also going to hit a major target in Iran and there isn't a damn thing Iran can do to stop it.
This is what happens when we have leading voices like Donald Trump, Vivek Ramaswamy, and Ron DeSantis signaling retreat from America’s role as leader of the free world. When I’m President of the United States, we’ll lead from American Strength. pic.twitter.com/gW3HaN4fIp
— Mike Pence (@Mike_Pence) October 8, 2023
Mossad, as good as they are, will need the help of the residents of Gaza to find the rest. And therein lies the Fallujah problem. Had a nephew in the Army in Fallujah back then. They cleared and were pulled out.bonfarr said:
Israel isnt going to get those hostages back alive. Once that is assured we are going to see the fireworks begin. Any house that has housed a terrorist on Mossad's list is going to be leveled. Any military aged male with an AK in his hand is going to get smoked. They are likely also going to hit a major target in Iran and there isn't a damn thing Iran can do to stop it.
Anybody else surprised that massive retaliatory actions haven't already begun? I mean we all know it's going to happen, but I'm surprised that it's taking so long.Old May Banker said:bonfarr said:
Israel isnt going to get those hostages back alive. Once that is assured we are going to see the fireworks begin. Any house that has housed a terrorist on Mossad's list is going to be leveled. Any military aged male with an AK in his hand is going to get smoked. They are likely also going to hit a major target in Iran and there isn't a damn thing Iran can do to stop it.
I think it is going to be / needs to be worse than you describe... I believe indiscriminate death is about to descend upon them in a manner we haven't seen in generations.
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We saw how that worked out.
agent-maroon said:Anybody else surprised that massive retaliatory actions haven't already begun? I mean we all know it's going to happen, but I'm surprised that it's taking so long.Old May Banker said:bonfarr said:
Israel isnt going to get those hostages back alive. Once that is assured we are going to see the fireworks begin. Any house that has housed a terrorist on Mossad's list is going to be leveled. Any military aged male with an AK in his hand is going to get smoked. They are likely also going to hit a major target in Iran and there isn't a damn thing Iran can do to stop it.
I think it is going to be / needs to be worse than you describe... I believe indiscriminate death is about to descend upon them in a manner we haven't seen in generations.
Israeli Air Force strike in Gaza (likely JDAM) roughly 15 minutes ago. pic.twitter.com/Fl1vndO1sr
— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) October 9, 2023
mts6175 said:ChemAg15 said:Isosceles_Kramer said:
Hamas is commiting major war crimes, and recording it for online view. I don't see how they can gather the usual sympathy and play the victim card with this attack. There are atrocities being shown unlike their previous attacks. Very sad.
This is what is alarming to me. Hamas is acting like they aren't going to play the victim card which means they WANT Isreal to respond with overwhelming force. Whoever is pulling the strings, their goal seems to be total warfare.
Conspiracy theory answer - Iran is trying to draw us into a war and will attempt to hit us inside the USA too with some terrorist attack.
Hezbollah already has started attacking Israel in the northern district today. Gut tells me Israel is about to attempt to go Fallujah on Gaza, which will draw the other anti Israel Arab nations and terrorist groups. They want the west to engage.
This will get nasty.