Idc I'm still voting for him In the primary, and any R in the General if he isn't the nominee.

Democrat sycophants call his supporters cult members, Democrat sycophants call stupid red hats Klan hoods,
Democrat sycophants intimidate concerned moderates who don't wear masks, or take unnecessary vaccines.
Democrat sycophants are OK with perverting, or mangling the bodies of children.
Democrat Sycophants are supportive of open air drug markets

The lost goes on, but ya Trump is the clear and obvious choice in the Primary. After that it's whoever has an R next to their name at this point.

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Idc I'm still voting for him In the primary

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That is pretty much his campaign slogan

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Science Denier said:

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Pro life now can successfully negotiate in each state. Abortion is now up to states do there are 50 platforms.

Grifting. LMAO!!

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You're right, we are silly and must have TDS to actually listen to the words he uses and use the definition of English words, we just need to ignore those things and just assume he means whatever it is that makes us vote for him. That is the important thing.

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I quoted his words. Never accused anyone of grifting. TDS affects one's ability to reason, but I didn't think it made one lose the ability to listen to actual video.

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These are his words:

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"Everybody's raising money all the time ... maybe it's some kind of a business."

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What exactly do you think he means by that if he isn't implying a grift?

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It's classic Trump, he does this pretty consistently where he says something objectively insane and/or that's a blatant lie but then caveats it with an "I don't know" or "people are saying" etc so that his supporters then can rush to his defense and tell everyone what he apparently really meant. No different than him giving the people booing him at the Iowa game the finger but doing it by just putting his middle finger on the window instead of actually doing it. It's always about leaving one small straw people can grasp on to defend him, when anyone with a functioning brain knows what he actually meant.

"Yeah, but he's still better than democrats"

lmao

Well, no *****.. that's a low bar. Are there no tenets of conservatism that he can't cross and still get defended? Why do people settle for that bull*****

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He's not wrong. The people that have campaigned and fund raised for years as pro-life while not doing a damn thing about it are 100% grifters. That said, that doesn't make what Trump has been saying recently on the topic correct.

However, this is all overblown. Regardless of who is president, a total ban nor a 6-week ban is coming across their desk. Trump saying he will negotiate to set federal limits that are "reasonable" maximums may be the best opportunity we have to prevent infanticide in the blue states. And I'm skeptical of even that happening.

If you want to ban abortion at the federal level, it's going to have to be through a personhood amendment or reinterpretation of the 14th amendment. Too much evil pond scum to get a bill through Congress.

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So, you're OK with expanding abortion rights in a number of states?

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Setting a maximum does not take away that ability to set stricter restrictions.

Do people really not know what "grifting" means?

It's a short con game designed to swindle the mark by fraud and then move on to the next con, the next mark.

By definition, issue advocacy is not a con game..

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If you ever thought that Trump was a staunch advocate for anything or anyone other than himself has not been paying attention, or at the very least willfully ignorant.

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Were you born after Trumps first term? Trump governed extremely well and nominated SC justices who did away with Roe. One place he is vulnerable is with the baby murder crowd. The comment could be for squishy baby murderers.

Too bad the left doesn't hold their side to the same scrutiny.

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This isn't about a victory lap for the past it's about the future. The same Trump who was giving out Lindsey Grahams cell phone number to have people harass and make fun of him now calls him a good friend and endorses him. The same man who was speaking at the March for Life is not saying that abortion under 5 months should be legal plus exceptions and thinks 6 weeks is terrible. He's not the same guy and he has historically changed his positions on issues throughout his life, he used to be a very vocal Pro Choice supporter too a few years prior to running for President.

If the choice is Trump v Democrat he's the clear choice but it isn't. It's the Primaries and we have better options if you care about issues.

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So true.

Maga keeps saying they're voting for Trump if they have to in the general election, even if they have to hold their nose while they do it, yet DeSantis actually believes in all of the things they do, yet they're still twisting themselves into pretzels to justify going with Trump.

I will say that if Trump wins the White House again and gets abortion legal in all the states on a federal level, libs will begrudgingly love him for that. That would be their "Mission Accomplished" moment.

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Ag with kids said:

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Kvetch said:

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He's not wrong. The people that have campaigned and fund raised for years as pro-life while not doing a damn thing about it are 100% grifters. That said, that doesn't make what Trump has been saying recently on the topic correct.

However, this is all overblown. Regardless of who is president, a total ban nor a 6-week ban is coming across their desk. Trump saying he will negotiate to set federal limits that are "reasonable" maximums may be the best opportunity we have to prevent infanticide in the blue states. And I'm skeptical of even that happening.

If you want to ban abortion at the federal level, it's going to have to be through a personhood amendment or reinterpretation of the 14th amendment. Too much evil pond scum to get a bill through Congress.

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So, you're OK with expanding abortion rights in a number of states?

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Setting a maximum does not take away that ability to set stricter restrictions.

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How about, follow the constitution and leave it to the states?

You know, federalism, like the FF intended.

Trump is, as usual, coming from the left and 110% wrong on this issue.

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He's not wrong. The people that have campaigned and fund raised for years as pro-life while not doing a damn thing about it are 100% grifters. That said, that doesn't make what Trump has been saying recently on the topic correct.

However, this is all overblown. Regardless of who is president, a total ban nor a 6-week ban is coming across their desk. Trump saying he will negotiate to set federal limits that are "reasonable" maximums may be the best opportunity we have to prevent infanticide in the blue states. And I'm skeptical of even that happening.

If you want to ban abortion at the federal level, it's going to have to be through a personhood amendment or reinterpretation of the 14th amendment. Too much evil pond scum to get a bill through Congress.

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It's not within Federal purview. It's a state's right issue, as it should be.

SCotUS fixed a mistake. Now, they need to undo things like the ADA, DebacleCare, basstardization of the Commerce clause, and so on.

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I don't see why murder would not fall under the federal governments purview. Especially if you're traveling across state lines in commission of the murder.

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Do people really not know what "grifting" means?

It's a short con game designed to swindle the mark by fraud and then move on to the next con, the next mark.

By definition, issue advocacy is not a con game..

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He didn't use the words "issue advocacy", he used the term "business". Businesses = profits. Maybe you can pick the nits on this one, but that clearly sounds like what he was saying to me.

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He's not wrong. The people that have campaigned and fund raised for years as pro-life while not doing a damn thing about it are 100% grifters. That said, that doesn't make what Trump has been saying recently on the topic correct.

However, this is all overblown. Regardless of who is president, a total ban nor a 6-week ban is coming across their desk. Trump saying he will negotiate to set federal limits that are "reasonable" maximums may be the best opportunity we have to prevent infanticide in the blue states. And I'm skeptical of even that happening.

If you want to ban abortion at the federal level, it's going to have to be through a personhood amendment or reinterpretation of the 14th amendment. Too much evil pond scum to get a bill through Congress.

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So, you're OK with expanding abortion rights in a number of states?

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Setting a maximum does not take away that ability to set stricter restrictions.

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How about, follow the constitution and leave it to the states?

You know, federalism, like the FF intended.

Trump is, as usual, coming from the left and 110% wrong on this issue.

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So are you against federal laws prohibiting murder?

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I don't see why murder would not fall under the federal governments purview. Especially if you're traveling across state lines in commission of the murder.

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Federal murder statutes? Rare and limited to certain circumstances. Now crossing state lines in furtherance of a felony can be a violation of 18 U.S.C. 1952, a/k/a the Travel Act.

Which Barr could have easily used against BLM and Antifa during the summer of 2020 but wouldn't.

LINK

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Kvetch said:

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He's not wrong. The people that have campaigned and fund raised for years as pro-life while not doing a damn thing about it are 100% grifters. That said, that doesn't make what Trump has been saying recently on the topic correct.

However, this is all overblown. Regardless of who is president, a total ban nor a 6-week ban is coming across their desk. Trump saying he will negotiate to set federal limits that are "reasonable" maximums may be the best opportunity we have to prevent infanticide in the blue states. And I'm skeptical of even that happening.

If you want to ban abortion at the federal level, it's going to have to be through a personhood amendment or reinterpretation of the 14th amendment. Too much evil pond scum to get a bill through Congress.

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So, you're OK with expanding abortion rights in a number of states?

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Setting a maximum does not take away that ability to set stricter restrictions.

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How about, follow the constitution and leave it to the states?

You know, federalism, like the FF intended.

Trump is, as usual, coming from the left and 110% wrong on this issue.

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So are you against federal laws prohibiting murder?

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Not on federal land (military bases, national parks, etc)

On Main Street, AnyTown, USA? Very much so.

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He's not wrong. The people that have campaigned and fund raised for years as pro-life while not doing a damn thing about it are 100% grifters. That said, that doesn't make what Trump has been saying recently on the topic correct.

However, this is all overblown. Regardless of who is president, a total ban nor a 6-week ban is coming across their desk. Trump saying he will negotiate to set federal limits that are "reasonable" maximums may be the best opportunity we have to prevent infanticide in the blue states. And I'm skeptical of even that happening.

If you want to ban abortion at the federal level, it's going to have to be through a personhood amendment or reinterpretation of the 14th amendment. Too much evil pond scum to get a bill through Congress.

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It's not within Federal purview. It's a state's right issue, as it should be.

SCotUS fixed a mistake. Now, they need to undo things like the ADA, DebacleCare, basstardization of the Commerce clause, and so on.

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I don't see why murder would not fall under the federal governments purview. Especially if you're traveling across state lines in commission of the murder.

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No. Libs have basstardized the constitution enough.

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I don't see why murder would not fall under the federal governments purview. Especially if you're traveling across state lines in commission of the murder.

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Federal murder statutes? Rare and limited to certain circumstances. Now crossing state lines in furtherance of a felony can be a violation of 18 U.S.C. 1952, a/k/a the Travel Act.

Which Barr could have easily used against BLM and Antifa during the summer of 2020 but wouldn't.

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Rare, yes. But they exist. If there is a constitutional basis for the restriction of murder, why would there not be the same ability to establish protection on life.

This is all academic anyways. I live in reality where the courts have expanded the power of the federal government to include all types of power that was never intended. Until there's a full scale back of that power, I'm more than happy to play the lefts game and wield it for righteous purposes.

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Idc I'm still voting for him In the primary, and any R in the General if he isn't the nominee.

Democrat sycophants call his supporters cult members, Democrat sycophants call stupid red hats Klan hoods,
Democrat sycophants intimidate concerned moderates who don't wear masks, or take unnecessary vaccines.
Democrat sycophants are OK with perverting, or mangling the bodies of children.
Democrat Sycophants are supportive of open air drug markets

The lost goes on, but ya Trump is the clear and obvious choice in the Primary. After that it's whoever has an R next to their name at this point.

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Out of curiosity, what has Trump NOT called a business that is after a whole lot of money?

Climate Change?
BLM?
Unions?
the ProChoice movement?
Trans industry?
Vaccines?

Maybe he has and I missed it, but there seems like a long list of the left's issues that he seems to not wonder if they made a lot of money on as "businesses"

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Do people really not know what "grifting" means?

It's a short con game designed to swindle the mark by fraud and then move on to the next con, the next mark.

By definition, issue advocacy is not a con game..

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It is if the intent is to raise money by getting people fired up on a subject and then not actually having any intention of fixing the problem. The only question is the degree of grift involved. I mean Trump raised $200 million for "Stop the Steal" and that money seemed to vanish. Certainly it didn't go to lawsuits and fundamentally fixing the problems of 2020.

Here he is implying that he doesn't know what the Pro Life folks raising money are doing with it and it's a business for them that isn't trying to solve the problem. It's kind of weird logic considering his opinion on the issue but I think part of the point is to have a confused multiple meaning comment.

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This is your hero Trumpers.

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Who has called Trump a hero? He was a good president. But who's using the word hero?

That's an overused word that is rarely true.

Someone can support someone for president without believing they're a hero.

Do DeSantis supporters think of him as a hero? Or a good governor?

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Nothing better than "conservatives" abandoning states rights because the orange god said so.

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Yet Trump pushed the COVID response to the states and you guys call him liberal. Weird.

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Please post where I did so. I'll wait.

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So Trump is a conservative?

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Nothing better than "conservatives" abandoning states rights because the orange god said so.

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Yet Trump pushed the COVID response to the states and you guys call him liberal. Weird.

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Please post where I did so. I'll wait.

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So Trump is a conservative?

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



Tell it again!

DDP

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It is if the intent is to raise money by getting people fired up on a subject and then not actually having any intention of fixing the problem

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Assuming facts not in evidence. If you have followed my posting history, you know I followed the post 2020 election cases pretty closely and did my own research for hundreds and hundreds of hours. Watched witness testimony, state government committee hearings, etc. There was a veritable crap ton of evidence to sift through and do so within a very narrow time frame.

An old saying about mountains of evidence and looking for a needle in a haystack, making the haystack smaller increases the chances of finding the needle. But that takes time and resources.

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Just like every major interest group in America. Nothing real ever gets done because then they wouldn't have jobs.

Edit: And politicians. If the problem is fixed, that group's donations go away.

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are you including all the sycophants in the Trump campaign and those "social influencers" who lie for Trump?

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gbaby23 said:

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Just like every major interest group in America. Nothing real ever gets done because then they wouldn't have jobs.

Edit: And politicians. If the problem is fixed, that group's donations go away.

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are you including all the sycophants in the Trump campaign and those "social influencers" who lie for Trump?

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Yes, just as I would include those in the DeSantis campaign. Or any politician for that matter.

What an odd pivot. Instead of just saying, "trump is wrong on this issue," you double down and then turn back to his covid response.

It's ok to say ANYONE, politician or not, is wrong occasionally.

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It is if the intent is to raise money by getting people fired up on a subject and then not actually having any intention of fixing the problem

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Assuming facts not in evidence. If you have followed my posting history, you know I followed the post 2020 election cases pretty closely and did my own research for hundreds and hundreds of hours. Watched witness testimony, state government committee hearings, etc. There was a veritable crap ton of evidence to sift through and do so within a very narrow time frame.

An old saying about mountains of evidence and looking for a needle in a haystack, making the haystack smaller increases the chances of finding the needle. But that takes time and resources.

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I have zero question of your veracity on researching election fraud hawg and I respect you for it. My point was Trump raised $200 million and where that went. I assume you weren't getting paid though I think you would have been a better attorney for sure than most of the folks Trump had.

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What an odd pivot. Instead of just saying, "trump is wrong on this issue," you double down and then turn back to his covid response.

It's ok to say ANYONE, politician or not, is wrong occasionally.

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Why can't you answer the question? Are you scared to be honest?

What's your question? Is Trump a conservative?

No... he's a populist. I've been extremely consistent on that.

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Pro life now can successfully negotiate in each state. Abortion is now up to states do there are 50 platforms.

Grifting. LMAO!!

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You're right, we are silly and must have TDS to actually listen to the words he uses and use the definition of English words, we just need to ignore those things and just assume he means whatever it is that makes us vote for him. That is the important thing.

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I quoted his words. Never accused anyone of grifting. TDS affects one's ability to reason, but I didn't think it made one lose the ability to listen to actual video.

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These are his words:

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"Everybody's raising money all the time ... maybe it's some kind of a business."

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What exactly do you think he means by that if he isn't implying a grift?

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Fighting for pro life IS a business. They work full time at it. It's their full time job.

In no way is calling it a business calling it grifting. That's just silly and way beyond even the most affected by TDS.

Lyin DeSantis

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Science Denier said:

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Pro life now can successfully negotiate in each state. Abortion is now up to states do there are 50 platforms.

Grifting. LMAO!!

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You're right, we are silly and must have TDS to actually listen to the words he uses and use the definition of English words, we just need to ignore those things and just assume he means whatever it is that makes us vote for him. That is the important thing.

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I quoted his words. Never accused anyone of grifting. TDS affects one's ability to reason, but I didn't think it made one lose the ability to listen to actual video.

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These are his words:

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"Everybody's raising money all the time ... maybe it's some kind of a business."

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What exactly do you think he means by that if he isn't implying a grift?

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Fighting for pro life IS a business. They work full time at it. It's their full time job.

In no way is calling it a business calling it grifting. That's just silly and way beyond even the most affected by TDS.

Lyin DeSantis

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I'm sure that made sense in your head but it seems kind of pointless to continue this. Have a laugh/cry emoji!

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aggie93 said:

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Science Denier said:

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Pro life now can successfully negotiate in each state. Abortion is now up to states do there are 50 platforms.

Grifting. LMAO!!

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You're right, we are silly and must have TDS to actually listen to the words he uses and use the definition of English words, we just need to ignore those things and just assume he means whatever it is that makes us vote for him. That is the important thing.

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I quoted his words. Never accused anyone of grifting. TDS affects one's ability to reason, but I didn't think it made one lose the ability to listen to actual video.

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These are his words:

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"Everybody's raising money all the time ... maybe it's some kind of a business."

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What exactly do you think he means by that if he isn't implying a grift?

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Fighting for pro life IS a business. They work full time at it. It's their full time job.

In no way is calling it a business calling it grifting. That's just silly and way beyond even the most affected by TDS.

Lyin DeSantis

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I'm sure that made sense in your head but it seems kind of pointless to continue this. Have a laugh/cry emoji!

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And you left off parts of his quote

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don't know. Maybe it's some kind of business, I don't know

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Said I don't know twice.

So, his words say he doesn't know if it's a business.

Lyin DeSantis.

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"Pro-Lifers Are Grifters"-Trump

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it is in quotes and he never said it

why has the title not been changed

tds is strong here

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it is in quotes and he never said it

why has the title not been changed

tds is strong here

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It's clearly the message he was saying, but sure, the quotation marks in the title of the thread are the REAL issue here. TDS indeed

I am so glad to hear that all prolife groups who raise funds are free from people taking advantage of other peoples kindness.

If true, it would be the only group on the globe. Fact is there are grifters in all walks of life, who will stop at nothing to separate you from your money.

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This is a rich statement. The ones that are grifting in the pro-life movement tend make garbage excuses for people that think heartbeat bills are a mistake.

NEW: Trump accuses pro-life advocates of grifting.

"Everybody’s raising money all the time — I don’t know, maybe it’s some kind of a business. I don’t know what’s going on." pic.twitter.com/shFSiTIBmu

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) September 27, 2023

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Trump is not wrong.

There is a 'pro-life' industry.

The Abolitionist movement is far better.