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There's a reason why Trump is advertising against DeSantis rather than Vivek, Haley, and Christie and Trump is making more trips to Iowa.

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So now Trump is both scared of DeSantis, says mean things about DeSantis, and Trump is the chosen candidate of the DNC.

What other hot takes you have today?

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Well, the bolded is an actual fact...

The other two are things we can debate about on here...

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The Dems keep telling you who they want to be the GOP candidate (Trump) and who they don't (DeSantis)

It would be nice if we didn't oblige them

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So DeSantis secretly has the lead and only those with a RonnieD-Coder ring have access to the real data that shows he blows Trump away in the primaries and crushes Joe in the general.

And every single other news source out there from Newsmax / OAN to Fox to MSM to global periodicals are all part of the greatest con of all time to prop Trump up as the R nominee and Biden will get more than 81 million ballots recorded for him because Orange Man So Bad he causes people to show up in droves to have ballots printed against him so he never holds office again.

Is that what we are to believe?

That anyone supporting Trump or thinks he is the better option are just dumb sheeple gobbling up Dem talking points and misinformation?

Is that what you guys want to go with as the story of what is happening here?

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I don't think anyone is saying that. I think there was a level of disinformation like we have never seen before in 2020, and the likelihood that it has done anything but get exponentially worse is very small. Polls are one of the most easily biased "news" items, so taking action based on polls seems unwise. Yes, I understand that means including the "never going to vote Trump" polls that DS supporters like to tout, but that seems to be fairly well born out in the last couple of elections.

But the point is not that DeSantis is leading in the polls, it is that a majority of the reasons we hear for the need to back Trump is that he is the front runner, based on the polls, so we'd better start backing him or we'll get Biden, and if that is based on bad information, then we are letting the people who control that information make our decisions for us. We need to have better critical thinking skills than just "well, polls say X, so you'd better go with it".

This isn't just about Trump, it's a warning of allowing potentially manipulated "news" make our decisions for us.

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I think folks tend to hang on the few comments I have seen on here saying this and most of those comments are said tongue in cheek or in response to a similar demand that Trump must be jettisoned in order to make way for Ron.

The irony is that its the folks saying that Trump has no chance and that MSM and the DNC want Trump so they can beat him are the ones likely to cost Rs the election. They are also the ones letting everyone but themselves make the decision who to vote for - NOT Trump supporters.

If you have to be warned about fake news and misinformation in 2023 then you are already irretrievably lost. No one on the R side needs a warning about misinformation. Thanky. I find you last sentence almost offensive as it makes an incorrect assumption that majority of Trump supporters are too stupid to make their own decisions.

Trump supporters display a higher level of critical thinking skills than DeSantis supporters from my observation on f16 - by a wide, wide margin.

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There has NEVER been anyone who has issued any type of demand (or even REQUEST) that Trump must be "jettisoned" or even should should nicely back out of the race...let alone to make room for DeSantis.

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Trump supporters simply refuse to see that 4 years of the MSM propaganda worked and no Indy's are going to support him and that lots of Dems WILL show up just to vote against him and would elect a jar of old mayonnaise over him just to vote "Not Trump"

They're so consumed with "getting revenge" that they can't see that Trump is completely unelectable

And the MSM is only going to fuel this by telling you Trump is the only candidate and that he'll easily beat Biden

Except Biden isn't going to be the candidate.

As soon as Trump is handed the nomination Biden will be switched out for Newsom and it will be a slaughter of epic fashion

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Even if Biden is not switched out, I think that Trump has been so tainted by the bad propaganda against him that independents would swallow their tongues and still vote for Biden, even though they're not fans of all the ****ty things he's done in his term.

NOTE: This is not me saying the DeSantis is the anointed one or even that I think he WILL win. I am making a comment ONLY on the Trump/Biden dynamic.

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I mean if you want to believe this is reality, ok.

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Yes. I believe Biden's popularity has gone down substantially since he's been in office and most of the country is suffering big time.

I get some can't understand that concept, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

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Biden is walking, gibbering cluster ****. I have NO doubt his popularity has gone down.

That doesn't mean Trump's popularity has gone UP substantially. Which would need to happen to get those numbers.

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Trump supporters simply refuse to see that 4 years of the MSM propaganda worked

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There's no doubt it worked, you and others prove it every day with your inability to see how biased you and others are against Trump. Every thread gets infected with the same old attacks against him. You parrot the same talking points that come from the left. TDS is real.

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So just to be clear: you're planning for him to win the election because…..the MSM told you he's the only viable GOP candidate and that he's going to beat Biden? That's your evidence that independents, the folks who actually decide elections, are going to vote for him?

Because if so, someone is falling for the propaganda but it's not us

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He's the only viable candidate. Half the Republican Party supports him. Doesn't matter what the MSM says. They are not going to budge from their support.

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Being the only viable candidate to win the nomination doesn't translate into him winning the general election, though.

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So if it's Trump vs Biden in the general, you voting for Biden? Do you have it that bad?

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Where the hell have I ever said that?

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I'm asking you. Thus the question.

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They won't answer that question.

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If Trump is NOT the nominee, will you vote for the GOP candidate that is?

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So if it's Trump vs Biden in the general, you voting for Biden? Do you have it that bad?

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Where the hell have I ever said that?

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I'm asking you. Thus the question.

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They won't answer that question.

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How about:

"I won't commit to supporting the eventual republican nominee."

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So if it's Trump vs Biden in the general, you voting for Biden? Do you have it that bad?

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Where the hell have I ever said that?

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I'm asking you. Thus the question.

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I will never vote for a Democrat.

As for Trump, ask me in a year, if he is the nominee. Pretty hard to want to after his acolytes openly say that I am a "disgusting creature" for backing DeSantis and they don't even want my vote.

Besides, if DeSantis or anyone else wins the nomination, Trump will tell MAGA to stay home, vote third party, write him in, or vote for Newsom.

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I back Desantis so I don't think I called you disgusting. But as far as belittling trump supporters and saying things like "little orange God", I'm not gonna do that. And I don't think trump would tell his supporters to stay home.

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I believe he's referring to when Trump told Georgia voters to stay home for the special election because the Dems were just going to cheat again.

And the GOP candidate lost...

ETA: Damn...I missed a lot of fun earlier today. Stoopid meetings.

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I mean if you want to believe this is reality, ok.

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Yes. I believe Biden's popularity has gone down substantially since he's been in office and most of the country is suffering big time.

I get some can't understand that concept, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

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Biden is walking, gibbering cluster ****. I have NO doubt his popularity has gone down.

That doesn't mean Trump's popularity has gone UP substantially. Which would need to happen to get those numbers.

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Team Trump keeps banging the "everybody hates Biden so they'll vote for Trump" drum. But they refuse to acknowledge what's going to happen when Newsom becomes the nominee.

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So if it's Trump vs Biden in the general, you voting for Biden? Do you have it that bad?

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Where the hell have I ever said that?

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I'm asking you. Thus the question.

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I will never vote for a Democrat.

As for Trump, ask me in a year, if he is the nominee. Pretty hard to want to after his acolytes openly say that I am a "disgusting creature" for backing DeSantis and they don't even want my vote.

Besides, if DeSantis or anyone else wins the nomination, Trump will tell MAGA to stay home, vote third party, write him in, or vote for Newsom.

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I back Desantis so I don't think I called you disgusting. But as far as belittling trump supporters and saying things like "little orange God", I'm not gonna do that. And I don't think trump would tell his supporters to stay home.

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I believe he's referring to when Trump told Georgia voters to stay home for the special election because the Dems were just going to cheat again.

And the GOP candidate lost...

ETA: Damn...I missed a lot of fun earlier today. Stoopid meetings.

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Partly, yes. That is just a good example of it.

Trump would rather burn the country down than allow anyone with a (R) by their name to win, if it isn't him.

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There's a reason why Trump is advertising against DeSantis rather than Vivek, Haley, and Christie and Trump is making more trips to Iowa.

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So now Trump is both scared of DeSantis, says mean things about DeSantis

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These are not mutually exclusive.

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Yes, they blatantly did similar in 2022, to great success. Trump drives out Democratic voters, which is about the only thing that could revitalize a Biden candidacy. It's why he hid in the basement most of the election season in 2020. It's also how the Dems managed to avoid a bloodbath in 2022. How do you not see this?

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What other hot takes you have today?

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What you call 'hot takes' are demonstrations of second-order thinking, and they're 100% accurate.

That's funny as ***** Needed a good laugh.

2nd level thinking is like 4D chess for beginners.

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That's funny as ***** Needed a good laugh.

2nd level thinking is like 4D chess for beginners.

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Second-order thinking, my friend, is simply asking "and then what?"

There's no similarities to "4D Chess". It's simply asking you to think another step or two down the road.

Ardent Trump supporters at this time are only thinking about the primary. Many seem to think winning the primary means he will win the General. It does not, and the Democrats know this. You have plenty of evidence of this. You have plenty of demonstrations of their strategy with regards to Trump. It has worked for three election cycles. You ignore it.

Trump will likely lose a General. If/when he does, you will then blame it on cheating/fraud, completely ignoring the people that told you exactly what would happen.

Vote for DeSantis. He is Trump Results (better, even) without Trump Baggage. He sucks the wind out of an old codger like Biden. In the debate against Newsome, I expect he will wipe the floor with the Ken Doll of a governor.

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I mean if you want to believe this is reality, ok.

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Yes. I believe Biden's popularity has gone down substantially since he's been in office and most of the country is suffering big time.

I get some can't understand that concept, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

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Well if you actually believe those numbers that explains a lot, thanks.

I am not seeing anything outside of mass cheating that indicates the D, and D, can be any of the Rs save for Pence and Christie. Maybe Will Hurd.

This idea that Trump is a guaranteed loser in the general is a defeatist attitude I cannot relate to. It's like TDS and BAS had a child.

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I am not seeing anything outside of mass cheating that indicates the D, and D, can be any of the Rs save for Pence and Christie. Maybe Will Hurd.

This idea that Trump is a guaranteed loser in the general is a defeatist attitude I cannot relate to. It's like TDS and BAS had a child.

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Yeah, of course you think that.

I only post with this emoji because I can only desperately laugh at the utter ****show this country will likely be if Trump is the nominee. I pray hard that I am wrong in that instance.

Oh, and you're voting for this.

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I am not seeing anything outside of mass cheating that indicates the D, and D, can be any of the Rs save for Pence and Christie. Maybe Will Hurd.

This idea that Trump is a guaranteed loser in the general is a defeatist attitude I cannot relate to. It's like TDS and BAS had a child.

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If you choose to believe Trump is going to win GA and AZ after doing everything he can for the last 3 years to repel Swing voters there, that's fine. If you think that these crosstabs are true and suddenly groups that have despised Trump have suddenly come around, ok. If you think that Trump almost certainly being convicted won't have an effect on the election that's all good too.

Or maybe, just maybe, there is a reason why people are saying he won't win and that the Media and Dems are doing all they can to suppress negative stories on him and elevate positive ones. Nah, Trump is going to show the world he's a much better 80 year old President than Biden! Gonna be great!

The polls do not matter for the Democrats will do everything in their power to make sure that Trump does not win, just like they did in 2020.

CNN will never admit this. In fact they will create a quirky narrative that Biden is actually 12 points ahead of Trump despite despite polling data that Biden loses to all other Republican candidates.

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So if it's Trump vs Biden in the general, you voting for Biden? Do you have it that bad?

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Where the hell have I ever said that?

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I'm asking you. Thus the question.

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I will never vote for a Democrat.

As for Trump, ask me in a year, if he is the nominee. Pretty hard to want to after his acolytes openly say that I am a "disgusting creature" for backing DeSantis and they don't even want my vote.

Besides, if DeSantis or anyone else wins the nomination, Trump will tell MAGA to stay home, vote third party, write him in, or vote for Newsom.

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I back Desantis so I don't think I called you disgusting. But as far as belittling trump supporters and saying things like "little orange God", I'm not gonna do that. And I don't think trump would tell his supporters to stay home.

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^This exactly. Who called Rapier a "disgusting creature"? Pretty sure they'd be banned for that and it was probably a Lot Y sock account if so.

And the fact that he doesn't realize that Trump has already won the nomination is baffling for someone that posts on a political message board 24/7.

Many of us can like Trump AND Ron. Incredible concept, I know.

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So if it's Trump vs Biden in the general, you voting for Biden? Do you have it that bad?

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Where the hell have I ever said that?

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I'm asking you. Thus the question.

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They won't answer that question.

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If Trump is NOT the nominee, will you vote for the GOP candidate that is?

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Absolutely. DeSantis is a good politician with a good track record.

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Where the hell have I ever said that?

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I'm asking you. Thus the question.

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I will never vote for a Democrat.

As for Trump, ask me in a year, if he is the nominee. Pretty hard to want to after his acolytes openly say that I am a "disgusting creature" for backing DeSantis and they don't even want my vote.

Besides, if DeSantis or anyone else wins the nomination, Trump will tell MAGA to stay home, vote third party, write him in, or vote for Newsom.

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Link? I contend the only reason someone would call you that is because you can't make a point without insulting the other person. And now you're playing the victim, how liberal of you.

Not only do they always insult any not critical of Trump, they then say all Trump and anyone who supports Trump can only retort with... insults.

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Where the hell have I ever said that?

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I'm asking you. Thus the question.

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I will never vote for a Democrat.

As for Trump, ask me in a year, if he is the nominee. Pretty hard to want to after his acolytes openly say that I am a "disgusting creature" for backing DeSantis and they don't even want my vote.

Besides, if DeSantis or anyone else wins the nomination, Trump will tell MAGA to stay home, vote third party, write him in, or vote for Newsom.

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I back Desantis so I don't think I called you disgusting. But as far as belittling trump supporters and saying things like "little orange God", I'm not gonna do that. And I don't think trump would tell his supporters to stay home.

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^This exactly. Who called Rapier a "disgusting creature"? Pretty sure they'd be banned for that and it was probably a Lot Y sock account if so.

And the fact that he doesn't realize that Trump has already won the nomination is baffling for someone that posts on a political message board 24/7.

Many of us can like Trump AND Ron. Incredible concept, I know.

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Why would Lot Y call that poster a name like that? Pretty sure they are on the same side these days.

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Hmmm... not sure I'm buying it.

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2015 and 2016 Trumpers: "The polls are fake media and completely wrong!!" (the polls were wrong)

also 2020 Trumpers: "The polls are fake media and completely wrong!!" (the polls were correct)

also 2023 Trumpers: "The polls are all correct!!"

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If you choose to believe Trump is going to win GA and AZ after doing everything he can for the last 3 years to repel Swing voters there, that's fine. If you think that these crosstabs are true and suddenly groups that have despised Trump have suddenly come around, ok. If you think that Trump almost certainly being convicted won't have an effect on the election that's all good too.

Or maybe, just maybe, there is a reason why people are saying he won't win and that the Media and Dems are doing all they can to suppress negative stories on him and elevate positive ones. Nah, Trump is going to show the world he's a much better 80 year old President than Biden! Gonna be great!

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First, Trump being convicted is simply not happening. Their are fundamental Constitutional issues and also Constitutional defenses for Trump. This is well discussed even though Trump haterz with limited experience in anything other than corp law or ambulance chasing will try and pretend they are the next Alan Dershowitz will try and opine otherwise.

But most of all I find it sort of cute... in a lost kitten sense of the word... that you believe Trump and Rs straight up lost those elections despite MASSIVE evidence both direct evidence and circumstantial evidence of cheating / manipulation and suspect, likely illegal, ballot harvesting.

Quit eating at the MSM / propaganda misinformation buffet served daily at DeSantis HQ and you can open your eyes a bit.

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I am not seeing anything outside of mass cheating that indicates the D, and D, can be any of the Rs save for Pence and Christie. Maybe Will Hurd.

This idea that Trump is a guaranteed loser in the general is a defeatist attitude I cannot relate to. It's like TDS and BAS had a child.

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If you choose to believe Trump is going to win GA and AZ after doing everything he can for the last 3 years to repel Swing voters there, that's fine. If you think that these crosstabs are true and suddenly groups that have despised Trump have suddenly come around, ok. If you think that Trump almost certainly being convicted won't have an effect on the election that's all good too.

Or maybe, just maybe, there is a reason why people are saying he won't win and that the Media and Dems are doing all they can to suppress negative stories on him and elevate positive ones. Nah, Trump is going to show the world he's a much better 80 year old President than Biden! Gonna be great!

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Hmmm... not sure I'm buying it.

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2015 and 2016 Trumpers: "The polls are fake media and completely wrong!!" (the polls were wrong)

also 2020 Trumpers: "The polls are fake media and completely wrong!!" (the polls were correct)

also 2023 Trumpers: "The polls are all correct!!"

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2015 and 2016 Trump Haterz - Trump is a celebrity has been who will never be able to lead. Get your support behind Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz as only they can beat Hilldawg!!! (Trump won)

also 2020 Trump Haterz - Trump failed at COVID response, printed money and would not fire Fauci and the elections were the freest and fairest ever!! (remove the cheating, Trump won)

also 2023 Trump Haterz - See 2015 / 2016 post and replace Jeb and Ted with Ron and Nikki.

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and THIS is why I want to keep a 1,000 page discussion thread alive on the Trump v. DeSantis main page.

because after Trump inevitably loses in either the summer or fall of 2024-

all his defenders will suddenly claim they don't remember the past four years.

and their only response to Trump's defeat will be:

"the election was stolen again"
"the media is to blame"
"DeSantis is to blame"
"no one could have seen this defeat coming"
"the establishment is to blame"

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Joe Biden approves this message and gifts you one no malarkey t-shirt for your contribution to the discussion.

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The Dems keep telling you who they want to be the GOP candidate (Trump) and who they don't (DeSantis)

It would be nice if we didn't oblige them

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So DeSantis secretly has the lead and only those with a RonnieD-Coder ring have access to the real data that shows he blows Trump away in the primaries and crushes Joe in the general.

And every single other news source out there from Newsmax / OAN to Fox to MSM to global periodicals are all part of the greatest con of all time to prop Trump up as the R nominee and Biden will get more than 81 million ballots recorded for him because Orange Man So Bad he causes people to show up in droves to have ballots printed against him so he never holds office again.

Is that what we are to believe?

That anyone supporting Trump or thinks he is the better option are just dumb sheeple gobbling up Dem talking points and misinformation?

Is that what you guys want to go with as the story of what is happening here?

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I don't think anyone is saying that. I think there was a level of disinformation like we have never seen before in 2020, and the likelihood that it has done anything but get exponentially worse is very small. Polls are one of the most easily biased "news" items, so taking action based on polls seems unwise. Yes, I understand that means including the "never going to vote Trump" polls that DS supporters like to tout, but that seems to be fairly well born out in the last couple of elections.

But the point is not that DeSantis is leading in the polls, it is that a majority of the reasons we hear for the need to back Trump is that he is the front runner, based on the polls, so we'd better start backing him or we'll get Biden, and if that is based on bad information, then we are letting the people who control that information make our decisions for us. We need to have better critical thinking skills than just "well, polls say X, so you'd better go with it".

This isn't just about Trump, it's a warning of allowing potentially manipulated "news" make our decisions for us.

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I think folks tend to hang on the few comments I have seen on here saying this and most of those comments are said tongue in cheek or in response to a similar demand that Trump must be jettisoned in order to make way for Ron.

The irony is that its the folks saying that Trump has no chance and that MSM and the DNC want Trump so they can beat him are the ones likely to cost Rs the election. They are also the ones letting everyone but themselves make the decision who to vote for - NOT Trump supporters.

If you have to be warned about fake news and misinformation in 2023 then you are already irretrievably lost. No one on the R side needs a warning about misinformation. Thanky. I find you last sentence almost offensive as it makes an incorrect assumption that majority of Trump supporters are too stupid to make their own decisions.

Trump supporters display a higher level of critical thinking skills than DeSantis supporters from my observation on f16 - by a wide, wide margin.

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You aren't catching what I am saying. The irony is that is what Trump supporters are expecting of "DeSantites". We don't think you are morons (well, maybe not everyone, but there is always a "Kevin" in every group), but you are expecting us to be. Stop pushing polls at us that no one on the right trusted as being reliable as reasons to just give in and accept "the inevitable" when you wouldn't buy them yourself.

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I think folks tend to hang on the few comments I have seen on here saying this and most of those comments are said tongue in cheek or in response to a similar demand that Trump must be jettisoned in order to make way for Ron.

The irony is that its the folks saying that Trump has no chance and that MSM and the DNC want Trump so they can beat him are the ones likely to cost Rs the election. They are also the ones letting everyone but themselves make the decision who to vote for - NOT Trump supporters.

If you have to be warned about fake news and misinformation in 2023 then you are already irretrievably lost. No one on the R side needs a warning about misinformation. Thanky. I find you last sentence almost offensive as it makes an incorrect assumption that majority of Trump supporters are too stupid to make their own decisions.

Trump supporters display a higher level of critical thinking skills than DeSantis supporters from my observation on f16 - by a wide, wide margin.

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You aren't catching what I am saying. The irony is that is what Trump supporters are expecting of "DeSantites". We don't think you are morons (well, maybe not everyone, but there is always a "Kevin" in every group), but you are expecting us to be. Stop pushing polls at us that no one on the right trusted as being reliable as reasons to just give in and accept "the inevitable" when you wouldn't buy them yourself.

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Could have fooled me. When you constantly say people worship Trump regardless of his politics and policies and such, then you certainly insinuate they cannot think for themselves

I think you can put some credibility when EVERY POLL shows Trump with anywhere from a 30% to 50% plus lead over the R field.,, and refusing to put ANY credibility into those polls seems to be much more about blind optimism that Ronnie can stage a comeback.

I am EXTREMELY disappointed in DeSantis's performance but he has no one to blame but himself. If you think Trump never listens to advisors around him, RonnieD says "hold my NA beer!".

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Where the hell have I ever said that?

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I'm asking you. Thus the question.

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I will never vote for a Democrat.

As for Trump, ask me in a year, if he is the nominee. Pretty hard to want to after his acolytes openly say that I am a "disgusting creature" for backing DeSantis and they don't even want my vote.

Besides, if DeSantis or anyone else wins the nomination, Trump will tell MAGA to stay home, vote third party, write him in, or vote for Newsom.

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Link? I contend the only reason someone would call you that is because you can't make a point without insulting the other person. And now you're playing the victim, how liberal of you.

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Assuming he's referring to this, from one of the most active Trump influencers on twitter.

Just so it’s understood, we’re never letting these vile creatures from Team Desantis back into the movement

We don’t need their support. Their influence is nonexistent & they represent an extremely tiny faction of the establishment GOP that we won without in 2016 & 2020

— johnny maga (@_johnnymaga) September 14, 2023

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I think folks tend to hang on the few comments I have seen on here saying this and most of those comments are said tongue in cheek or in response to a similar demand that Trump must be jettisoned in order to make way for Ron.

The irony is that its the folks saying that Trump has no chance and that MSM and the DNC want Trump so they can beat him are the ones likely to cost Rs the election. They are also the ones letting everyone but themselves make the decision who to vote for - NOT Trump supporters.

If you have to be warned about fake news and misinformation in 2023 then you are already irretrievably lost. No one on the R side needs a warning about misinformation. Thanky. I find you last sentence almost offensive as it makes an incorrect assumption that majority of Trump supporters are too stupid to make their own decisions.

Trump supporters display a higher level of critical thinking skills than DeSantis supporters from my observation on f16 - by a wide, wide margin.

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You aren't catching what I am saying. The irony is that is what Trump supporters are expecting of "DeSantites". We don't think you are morons (well, maybe not everyone, but there is always a "Kevin" in every group), but you are expecting us to be. Stop pushing polls at us that no one on the right trusted as being reliable as reasons to just give in and accept "the inevitable" when you wouldn't buy them yourself.

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Could have fooled me. When you constantly say people worship Trump regardless of his politics and policies and such, then you certainly insinuate they cannot think for themselves

I think you can put some credibility when EVERY POLL shows Trump with anywhere from a 30% to 50% plus lead over the R field.,, and refusing to put ANY credibility into those polls seems to be much more about blind optimism that Ronnie can stage a comeback.

I am EXTREMELY disappointed in DeSantis's performance but he has no one to blame but himself. If you think Trump never listens to advisors around him, RonnieD says "hold my NA beer!".

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I don't put 0 stock into polls. They are a data point, for sure, even if in general I don't trust individual polls, and I am really disappointed that DS hasn't done as well as I expected. But you have to admit that there is a non-zero amount of support for Trump no matter what that is derived from his personality and not necessarily from policy. You and I may disagree about the amount, but it is there.

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If you choose to believe Trump is going to win GA and AZ after doing everything he can for the last 3 years to repel Swing voters there, that's fine. If you think that these crosstabs are true and suddenly groups that have despised Trump have suddenly come around, ok. If you think that Trump almost certainly being convicted won't have an effect on the election that's all good too.

Or maybe, just maybe, there is a reason why people are saying he won't win and that the Media and Dems are doing all they can to suppress negative stories on him and elevate positive ones. Nah, Trump is going to show the world he's a much better 80 year old President than Biden! Gonna be great!

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First, Trump being convicted is simply not happening. Their are fundamental Constitutional issues and also Constitutional defenses for Trump. This is well discussed even though Trump haterz with limited experience in anything other than corp law or ambulance chasing will try and pretend they are the next Alan Dershowitz will try and opine otherwise.

But most of all I find it sort of cute... in a lost kitten sense of the word... that you believe Trump and Rs straight up lost those elections despite MASSIVE evidence both direct evidence and circumstantial evidence of cheating / manipulation and suspect, likely illegal, ballot harvesting.

Quit eating at the MSM / propaganda misinformation buffet served daily at DeSantis HQ and you can open your eyes a bit.

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So you think that Trump is going to win in NYC, DC, and ATL where he will likely have a jury with all hardcore Dems and judges that hate him? Ironically the strongest legal case is in FL but he is most likely to get a fair trial there.

I think it all eventually gets overturned on appeal but I don't see Trump beating all those charges in Round 1 and Round 1 is all we will know before the election in November. Oh and make no mistake after Trump is the nominee and he loses in Court the real fire will come out for him all day every day.

Or you can choose to believe Trump beats all 91 Charges (so far) and walks because the wonderful people in those cities will objectively look at the evidence and acquit him.