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If Trump is the nominee, will the focus be on Biden's incompetence or Trump's legal problems? Moderates aren't interested in voting for convicted felons. You'd have a third party run by Manchin/Hogan to contend with as well and they'd probably win the independent vote, but ultimately there's generally more Dems than Republicans.

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They somehow think that just winning republicans voted is good enough and fail to realize mods and independents hate Trump.

You can crap on the squishy middle all you want but without them you can't win national elections.

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If Trump is the nominee, will the focus be on Biden's incompetence or Trump's legal problems? Moderates aren't interested in voting for convicted felons. You'd have a third party run by Manchin/Hogan to contend with as well and they'd probably win the independent vote, but ultimately there's generally more Dems than Republicans.

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Most of Trump supporters are Trump supporters. Labor is not going with Manchin. That dude won't run as a 3rd party as it would take way too many votes from Biden. Mike's could t Cary enough harvested votes to come close to overcoming thst. They are better off just throwing some stupid number at him to go away.

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I didn't say Manchin was winning labor. I said he'd win the independents and moderates, so Trump gets nothing from the middle. Dems outnumber Reps and with no indy vote Trump loses again.

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If Trump is the nominee, will the focus be on Biden's incompetence or Trump's legal problems? Moderates aren't interested in voting for convicted felons. You'd have a third party run by Manchin/Hogan to contend with as well and they'd probably win the independent vote, but ultimately there's generally more Dems than Republicans.

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They somehow think that just winning republicans voted is good enough and fail to realize mods and independents hate Trump.

You can crap on the squishy middle all you want but without them you can't win national elections.

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I think deep down they know this but would rather lose with Trump than have another Republican win. Would prove all of their cheating bs from 2020 wrong and force them to admit Trump lost because he's hated by most of the country.

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Would prove all of their cheating bs from 2020 wrong and force them to admit Trump lost because he's hated by most of the country.

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What evidence do you have that proves the 2020 election cheating is BS?

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How does Trump turn around his negative trend everywhere? How will he win those potential swing states?

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In 2020, Trump got more votes than any Republican in history. And that's after dominion changed votes. It took massive cheating to beat him.

I get it that you don't believe that, but that's the way it is.

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Good enough for second place.

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That, I think, is one of the hardest things for maga to accept: that Trump really isn't loved by the majority of the country. That the maga way isn't what even most Republicans see as the way their party is. That, at best, he was tolerated (hold nose while voting) by just enough on the right to win the first time, and those people held their nose to either not vote at all, or pull the lever for Biden. Regardless, there really aren't as many people that love Trump the way maga does or thinks there are.

Today there's even less Republicans who tolerate him. The loss in the next election will be even greater. That can be avoided by nominating Desantis

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If Trump is the nominee, will the focus be on Biden's incompetence or Trump's legal problems? Moderates aren't interested in voting for convicted felons. You'd have a third party run by Manchin/Hogan to contend with as well and they'd probably win the independent vote, but ultimately there's generally more Dems than Republicans.

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They somehow think that just winning republicans voted is good enough and fail to realize mods and independents hate Trump.

You can crap on the squishy middle all you want but without them you can't win national elections.

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I think deep down they know this but would rather lose with Trump than have another Republican win. Would prove all of their cheating bs from 2020 wrong and force them to admit Trump lost because he's hated by most of the country.

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They just want one final victory of winning the primary and destroying DeSantis because they consider him to be a traitor to the god king Trump. Because Trump endorsed him in 2018, DeSantis owns him a blood debt for life according to them.

Then they'll spend 2 years whining that 2024 was stolen and begin preparing for Trump 2028.

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What evidence do you have that proves the 2020 election cheating is BS?

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You are arguing with a group of posters who are certain they are right and know what the future will be if only people would see things their way. Pretty much any poster who is very active on the RDS pump up thread (the official Trump v DeSantis thread) is incapable of a rational argument. They have no time for Socratic methods or approaching their beliefs with any semblance of doubt.

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That's not how it works. Accusations require legitimate evidence, otherwise I'm going to side with the most obvious answer - he lost because he turns out the left like no candidate can and his personality causes moderates to stay home. The day anyone from his team actually wins one court case is when I'll start believing any of it.

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Would prove all of their cheating bs from 2020 wrong and force them to admit Trump lost because he's hated by most of the country.

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What evidence do you have that proves the 2020 election cheating is BS?

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You are arguing with a group of posters who are certain they are right and know what the future will be if only people would see things their way. Pretty much any poster who is very active on the RDS pump up thread (the official Trump v DeSantis thread) is incapable of a rational argument. They have no time for Socratic methods or approaching their beliefs with any semblance of doubt.

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Here's a rational argument. If there was real, tangible, provable evidence of wide spread cheating that affected the 2020 presidential election then Trump would still be President.

But there's not. Because he lost. Because no one turns out the "aw hell I guess I'll vote for this other guy" like Donald J Trump.

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Would prove all of their cheating bs from 2020 wrong and force them to admit Trump lost because he's hated by most of the country.

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What evidence do you have that proves the 2020 election cheating is BS?

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You are arguing with a group of posters who are certain they are right and know what the future will be if only people would see things their way. Pretty much any poster who is very active on the RDS pump up thread (the official Trump v DeSantis thread) is incapable of a rational argument. They have no time for Socratic methods or approaching their beliefs with any semblance of doubt.

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Here's a rational argument. If there was real, tangible, provable evidence of wide spread cheating that affected the 2020 presidential election then Trump would still be President.

But there's not. Because he lost. Because no one turns out the "aw hell I guess I'll vote for this other guy" like Donald J Trump.

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So I take it you BELIEVE that the crack was defintely not Hunter Biden. And that everything the Biden family has done has been above board, because they haven't be convicted of anything. Further you must believe that Pelosi must have made all of her money legititmately and that the Clinton's really were cow future whisperers.

Seriously if the bar for accepting something as being true is whether or not our justice system confirms it then you are going to missing out on a ton of truth.

Ironically you could also point out how this argument fails when applying your covid position. There is no proof Covid wasn't real and that Health officials weren't acting in the best interest of the general public. You should be considering Faucii and Birx saviors since they are walking as free men and much much richer free men at that.

Let the above sink in. You could have seen all of that as being true if you just approached Trump with some small bit of doubt.

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Here's a rational argument. If there was real, tangible, provable evidence of wide spread cheating that affected the 2020 presidential election then Trump would still be President.


But there's not. Because he lost. Because no one turns out the "aw hell I guess I'll vote for this other guy" like Donald J Trump.

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Dead wrong. Courts ran away instead of doing their jobs. They refused to appoint jusged promptly and when they finally did, the hearings were scheduled so far out, like after Jan 6th, that they became moot.

Delay, deflect, refuse to issue orders that are appealable, etc.

That's still happening in Abe Hamadeh's case in AZ. A race separated by 280 votes. Judge has refused to sign the order so the appellate courts can address it

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Actually the best reason to vote for DeSantis is that he is the better candidate in every category

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Sez who?

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Would prove all of their cheating bs from 2020 wrong and force them to admit Trump lost because he's hated by most of the country.

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What evidence do you have that proves the 2020 election cheating is BS?

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I don't think it's arguing about whether or not some cheating occurred. I think it is 2 fold:

1. Not enough cheating occurred to swing the election.
2. The cheating is the catch all excuse for not looking at all the other mistakes Trump made and why he lost the election (and will lose again). If you can't look objectively and see what you did wrong or could have done differently you can't fix the problem.

This is one of Trump's largest flaws, he sees admitting mistakes as weakness and so he pretends like he never makes them. It's very tempting for his supporters as well to adopt that mentality.

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Here's a rational argument. If there was real, tangible, provable evidence of wide spread cheating that affected the 2020 presidential election then Trump would still be President.


But there's not. Because he lost. Because no one turns out the "aw hell I guess I'll vote for this other guy" like Donald J Trump.

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Dead wrong. Courts ran away instead of doing their jobs. They refused to appoint jusged promptly and when they finally did, the hearings were scheduled so far out, like after Jan 6th, that they became moot.

Delay, deflect, refuse to issue orders that are appealable, etc.

That's still happening in Abe Hamadeh's case in AZ. A race separated by 280 votes. Judge has refused to sign the order so the appellate courts can address it

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Fundamentally then you are arguing that Trump was unable to contest an election that he should have been able to overturn then and more importantly the way he handled it made him look disorganized and chaotic so he could not sway public opinion. Trump chose the "throw all the crap at the wall" strategy instead of focusing on his best arguments and presenting a sound and rational argument.

He also was completely unprepared for the shenanigans to come even though the warning signs were everywhere. There is zero reason to think he will do any better next time either, in fact it will be much harder for him because most people will just assume he is being a sore loser again regardless of facts.

Wrong.

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Here's a rational argument. If there was real, tangible, provable evidence of wide spread cheating that affected the 2020 presidential election then Trump would still be President.


But there's not. Because he lost. Because no one turns out the "aw hell I guess I'll vote for this other guy" like Donald J Trump.

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Dead wrong. Courts ran away instead of doing their jobs. They refused to appoint jusged promptly and when they finally did, the hearings were scheduled so far out, like after Jan 6th, that they became moot.

Delay, deflect, refuse to issue orders that are appealable, etc.

That's still happening in Abe Hamadeh's case in AZ. A race separated by 280 votes. Judge has refused to sign the order so the appellate courts can address it

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Fundamentally then you are arguing that Trump was unable to contest an election that he should have been able to overturn then and more importantly the way he handled it made him look disorganized and chaotic so he could not sway public opinion. Trump chose the "throw all the crap at the wall" strategy instead of focusing on his best arguments and presenting a sound and rational argument.

He also was completely unprepared for the shenanigans to come even though the warning signs were everywhere. There is zero reason to think he will do any better next time either, in fact it will be much harder for him because most people will just assume he is being a sore loser again regardless of facts.

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You really are not following at all. As I said repeatedly on the Election Day thread, which remedies, if any, were available in an election contest after the election and getting an injunction before an election is damn near impossibe, absent an ABSCAM type of video.

In an election contest, the courts do not care how many election laws were broken, how many election officials were bribed, nor even if the voting machines are connected to the internet during voting and counting. Nor do they care if states certified their results in violation of federal law.

Those are criminal matters, not civil.

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Would prove all of their cheating bs from 2020 wrong and force them to admit Trump lost because he's hated by most of the country.

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What evidence do you have that proves the 2020 election cheating is BS?

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I don't think it's arguing about whether or not some cheating occurred. I think it is 2 fold:

1. Not enough cheating occurred to swing the election.
2. The cheating is the catch all excuse for not looking at all the other mistakes Trump made and why he lost the election (and will lose again). If you can't look objectively and see what you did wrong or could have done differently you can't fix the problem.

This is one of Trump's largest flaws, he sees admitting mistakes as weakness and so he pretends like he never makes them. It's very tempting for his supporters as well to adopt that mentality.

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You have NO WAY of knowing if 1 is true. Other then your feelings. You probably personally have way less evidence that covid was a plandemic then you do that the elections weren't stolen. One you believe absolutely the other you reject as being possibly true. Do you see the problem with your logic thought process?

You admit your bias with the bold. It is all about that. Every post is about that. You KNOW Trump will lose again. That justifies every take that supports that idea. The irony that you talk about objectivity is pretty funny.

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If Trump is the nominee, will the focus be on Biden's incompetence or Trump's legal problems? Moderates aren't interested in voting for convicted felons. You'd have a third party run by Manchin/Hogan to contend with as well and they'd probably win the independent vote, but ultimately there's generally more Dems than Republicans.

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They somehow think that just winning republicans voted is good enough and fail to realize mods and independents hate Trump.

You can crap on the squishy middle all you want but without them you can't win national elections.

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I think deep down they know this but would rather lose with Trump than have another Republican win. Would prove all of their cheating bs from 2020 wrong and force them to admit Trump lost because he's hated by most of the country.

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They just want one final victory of winning the primary and destroying DeSantis because they consider him to be a traitor to the god king Trump. Because Trump endorsed him in 2018, DeSantis owns him a blood debt for life according to them.

Then they'll spend 2 years whining that 2024 was stolen and begin preparing for Trump 2028.

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LMAO. DeSantis was destroyed the moment he entered the race. He had his announcement that could have moved the needle and he had a debate that especially without Trump REALLY could have really moved the needle.

He had the chance to prove he's better than Trump. And he blew it. The only one destroying DeSantis is DeSantis.

Trump, on the other hand, got more votes than any Republican in history. A lot of Dems and independents are required for that fear. So saying he can't do that is just silly.

Plus, the left was able to hide Biden. Can't do that. The history of crime, grooming, inflation, gas prices, border, and the list goes on. Can't hide that any longer. That's more independents flipping from Biden to Trump.

I know TDS gets triggered by cheating so I won't talk
About it. Just those facts alone says that the statement that Trump has no shot at winning is just flat stupid.

1) Trump lost.
a) partly due to selected areas where election fraud/misdeeds could be enacted in enough numbers to sway the count to Biden. Not an axe, but a scalpel.

b) mostly because he was so massively unliked, in both major parties.

2) Trump has done jack **** to really combat that or get changes made. He basically just reiterates the same crap, day after day.

a)Desantis has actually fought for, and won, changes to prevent similar from happening. And promised more of the same, with an actual record to back him up, unlike Trump.

3) On every conservative issue, Desantis is so head and shoulders above the rest that it's insane, and sad, that this is even a contest. The GOP....snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

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Here's a rational argument. If there was real, tangible, provable evidence of wide spread cheating that affected the 2020 presidential election then Trump would still be President.


But there's not. Because he lost. Because no one turns out the "aw hell I guess I'll vote for this other guy" like Donald J Trump.

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Dead wrong. Courts ran away instead of doing their jobs. They refused to appoint jusged promptly and when they finally did, the hearings were scheduled so far out, like after Jan 6th, that they became moot.

Delay, deflect, refuse to issue orders that are appealable, etc.

That's still happening in Abe Hamadeh's case in AZ. A race separated by 280 votes. Judge has refused to sign the order so the appellate courts can address it

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Fundamentally then you are arguing that Trump was unable to contest an election that he should have been able to overturn then and more importantly the way he handled it made him look disorganized and chaotic so he could not sway public opinion. Trump chose the "throw all the crap at the wall" strategy instead of focusing on his best arguments and presenting a sound and rational argument.

He also was completely unprepared for the shenanigans to come even though the warning signs were everywhere. There is zero reason to think he will do any better next time either, in fact it will be much harder for him because most people will just assume he is being a sore loser again regardless of facts.

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You really are not following at all. As I said repeatedly on the Election Day thread, which remedies, if any, were available in an election contest after the election and getting an injunction before an election is damn near impossibe, absent an ABSCAM type of video.

In an election contest, the courts do not care how many election laws were broken, how many election officials were bribed, nor even if the voting machines are connected to the internet during voting and counting. Nor do they care if states certified their results in violation of federal law.

Those are criminal matters, not civil.

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Actually you aren't. I was screaming to high heaven as well when the election went down the way it did and I couldn't believe Trump was pushing all the "Kraken" nonsense and letting Powell and the other fools be out front along with Rudy and MyPillow guy. The way he looked chaotic and disorganized (let's not forget the Four Seasons Landscaping thing) crushed his credibility. He put equal weight in the outlandish stuff along with the legitimate and provable and missed deadlines and had a terrible PR campaign. Even folks like me that were on his side were left pulling our hair out.

He made it all too easy to make him look like a kook and a sore loser, the press certainly was more than happy to help with that. He hangs out with even crazier people now. I honestly think if Trump had a strong, organized, and mature response he may well have gotten it overturned but he didn't and we all are paying for that not just him. He won't admit he did anything wrong either, it was all perfect and wonderful and if you dare question that you will be attacked 10 different ways.

I'm just done as is most of the country.

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Which of the candidates polling sub 20% in their own primary do you think can win the general?

We don't have the ballot printing machine and the half a billion zuckerbucks to control "who counts the votes" that the Democrats do, so you can't just throw a guy up there and not even bother to have him campaign and get the most votes in history.

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But Republicans alone will not determine who can win the general. No doubt Trump has the largest group of core supporters. The problem is he also has an equally large % of the population who hate him so much that they will vote for anyone who is running against him even if they can't stand Biden. See, the % of support Trump gets is only factoring in those who will vote for him in the primary. There's a significant % of the population we will also need to vote on our side in the general that is not among the polling for Republican primary winner. Whether we like that fact or not, it's reality. We have to carry the swing states too to get to 270 electoral votes.

This is about who can possibly get the most votes in the general, not who can get the most in a primary. The demographics are different between those two elections because many people who might vote against Biden won't be voting in a republican primary where they don't really care about that outcome… and thus aren't factored into the republican primary polls.

If we don't win, all is for naught and these discussions about which candidate is best to counter the marxists is all academic. I give Trump credit where credit is due. He did a lot of good things for the country. Unfortunately he failed at a lot of things too.

In the end, we conservatives hopefully all want the same thing - to get the democrats out of power first and foremost. Which candidate will help us accomplish that is anyone's guess. I happen to think there's too much risk and downside with Trump because he didn't play smart politics and committed too many unforced errors that turns off too many moderates and women, whose votes we will need. He never learned the time honored skill of knowing when to STFU.

I will vote for whoever wins the Republican primary. Period. Anything is a vast improvement over the clown show we have now.

Trump with 10MM MORE votes in 2020.not a disliked candidate.

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Trump with 10MM MORE votes in 2020.not a disliked candidate.

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Trump also drove 80+ million people to vote for a vegetable who campaigned from his basement due to most of the country hating him for being an unserious clown.

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If Trump is the nominee, will the focus be on Biden's incompetence or Trump's legal problems? Moderates aren't interested in voting for convicted felons. You'd have a third party run by Manchin/Hogan to contend with as well and they'd probably win the independent vote, but ultimately there's generally more Dems than Republicans.

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They somehow think that just winning republicans voted is good enough and fail to realize mods and independents hate Trump.

You can crap on the squishy middle all you want but without them you can't win national elections.

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I think deep down they know this but would rather lose with Trump than have another Republican win. Would prove all of their cheating bs from 2020 wrong and force them to admit Trump lost because he's hated by most of the country.

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They just want one final victory of winning the primary and destroying DeSantis because they consider him to be a traitor to the god king Trump. Because Trump endorsed him in 2018, DeSantis owns him a blood debt for life according to them.

Then they'll spend 2 years whining that 2024 was stolen and begin preparing for Trump 2028.

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LMAO. DeSantis was destroyed the moment he entered the race. He had his announcement that could have moved the needle and he had a debate that especially without Trump REALLY could have really moved the needle.

He had the chance to prove he's better than Trump. And he blew it. The only one destroying DeSantis is DeSantis.

Trump, on the other hand, got more votes than any Republican in history. A lot of Dems and independents are required for that fear. So saying he can't do that is just silly.

Plus, the left was able to hide Biden. Can't do that. The history of crime, grooming, inflation, gas prices, border, and the list goes on. Can't hide that any longer. That's more independents flipping from Biden to Trump.

I know TDS gets triggered by cheating so I won't talk
About it. Just those facts alone says that the statement that Trump has no shot at winning is just flat stupid.

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And yet the other guy still got more votes. You keep leaving out that very important and crucial piece that decides who wins and who loses.

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Trump with 10MM MORE votes in 2020.not a disliked candidate.

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Trump also drove 80+ million people to vote for a vegetable who campaigned from his basement due to most of the country hating him for being an unserious clown.

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I think it was 2,000 miles driving those ballots to the polls. Maybe you got that detail wrong somehow thinking it was Trump driving those ballots to the counting centers.

People who cast a vote for Biden because of their hate for Trump don't deserve to breathe any further oxygen. That people could be that stupid, that shortsighted, that selfish, that destructive, that morally corrupt is simply not excusable.

Or.. hear me out…

We could nominate a candidate that actually implements conservative policy without going out of his way to alienate voters.

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If Trump is the nominee, will the focus be on Biden's incompetence or Trump's legal problems? Moderates aren't interested in voting for convicted felons. You'd have a third party run by Manchin/Hogan to contend with as well and they'd probably win the independent vote, but ultimately there's generally more Dems than Republicans.

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They somehow think that just winning republicans voted is good enough and fail to realize mods and independents hate Trump.

You can crap on the squishy middle all you want but without them you can't win national elections.

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I think deep down they know this but would rather lose with Trump than have another Republican win. Would prove all of their cheating bs from 2020 wrong and force them to admit Trump lost because he's hated by most of the country.

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They just want one final victory of winning the primary and destroying DeSantis because they consider him to be a traitor to the god king Trump. Because Trump endorsed him in 2018, DeSantis owns him a blood debt for life according to them.

Then they'll spend 2 years whining that 2024 was stolen and begin preparing for Trump 2028.

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LMAO. DeSantis was destroyed the moment he entered the race. He had his announcement that could have moved the needle and he had a debate that especially without Trump REALLY could have really moved the needle.

He had the chance to prove he's better than Trump. And he blew it. The only one destroying DeSantis is DeSantis.

Trump, on the other hand, got more votes than any Republican in history. A lot of Dems and independents are required for that fear. So saying he can't do that is just silly.

Plus, the left was able to hide Biden. Can't do that. The history of crime, grooming, inflation, gas prices, border, and the list goes on. Can't hide that any longer. That's more independents flipping from Biden to Trump.

I know TDS gets triggered by cheating so I won't talk
About it. Just those facts alone says that the statement that Trump has no shot at winning is just flat stupid.

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And yet the other guy still got more votes. You keep leaving out that very important and crucial piece that decides who wins and who loses.

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Facts, especially ones based on math, can be hard for some people to understand.

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Or.. hear me out…

We could nominate a candidate that actually implements conservative policy without going out of his way to alienate voters.

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If your candidate is so great, shouldn't he be able to get support from this truly and obviously terrible candidate, Trump? Though to be fair it looks more like DeSantis is struggling to distinguish himself from Vivek and Haley. He can't even pull away from the pack to chase Trump. But that is Trump's fault. Because Loomer. Right?

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If Trump is the nominee, will the focus be on Biden's incompetence or Trump's legal problems? Moderates aren't interested in voting for convicted felons. You'd have a third party run by Manchin/Hogan to contend with as well and they'd probably win the independent vote, but ultimately there's generally more Dems than Republicans.

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They somehow think that just winning republicans voted is good enough and fail to realize mods and independents hate Trump.

You can crap on the squishy middle all you want but without them you can't win national elections.

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I think deep down they know this but would rather lose with Trump than have another Republican win. Would prove all of their cheating bs from 2020 wrong and force them to admit Trump lost because he's hated by most of the country.

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They just want one final victory of winning the primary and destroying DeSantis because they consider him to be a traitor to the god king Trump. Because Trump endorsed him in 2018, DeSantis owns him a blood debt for life according to them.

Then they'll spend 2 years whining that 2024 was stolen and begin preparing for Trump 2028.

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LMAO. DeSantis was destroyed the moment he entered the race. He had his announcement that could have moved the needle and he had a debate that especially without Trump REALLY could have really moved the needle.

He had the chance to prove he's better than Trump. And he blew it. The only one destroying DeSantis is DeSantis.

Trump, on the other hand, got more votes than any Republican in history. A lot of Dems and independents are required for that fear. So saying he can't do that is just silly.

Plus, the left was able to hide Biden. Can't do that. The history of crime, grooming, inflation, gas prices, border, and the list goes on. Can't hide that any longer. That's more independents flipping from Biden to Trump.

I know TDS gets triggered by cheating so I won't talk
About it. Just those facts alone says that the statement that Trump has no shot at winning is just flat stupid.

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And yet the other guy still got more votes. You keep leaving out that very important and crucial piece that decides who wins and who loses.

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81 million. Lost Florida and Ohio and somehow won AZ and GA because of 2 counties.

Nice to see the on message posters with the same repeated talking points. Demanding we all conform to think like them and adopt RDS as our Savior. Thanks for proving my point guys. Great work.

Trump lost to Biden. Biden is president now because of Trump. Biden or another democrat will be president again if we run Trump… again

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Trump with 10MM MORE votes in 2020.not a disliked candidate.

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Trump also drove 80+ million people to vote for a vegetable who campaigned from his basement due to most of the country hating him for being an unserious clown.

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I think it was 2,000 miles driving those ballots to the polls. Maybe you got that detail wrong somehow thinking it was Trump driving those ballots to the counting centers.

People who cast a vote for Biden because of their hate for Trump don't deserve to breathe any further oxygen. That people could be that stupid, that shortsighted, that selfish, that destructive, that morally corrupt is simply not excusable.

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That may be your opinion, but you still need their votes in 2024. Nominating a candidate they already hate seems like a bad strategy.

Ah yes, the old "we can't vote for this guy because the opposing political party is politically persecuting him so I should let the opposing political party dictate my views and vote for the other guy" strategy.

In that case, I think we should listen to the leftists politically persecuting Trump and vote for DeSantis. Because that's totally not playing into the leftists hands.

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Actually you aren't. I was screaming to high heaven as well when the election went down the way it did and I couldn't believe Trump was pushing all the "Kraken" nonsense and letting Powell and the other fools be out front along with Rudy and MyPillow guy. The way he looked chaotic and disorganized (let's not forget the Four Seasons Landscaping thing) crushed his credibility. He put equal weight in the outlandish stuff along with the legitimate and provable and missed deadlines and had a terrible PR campaign. Even folks like me that were on his side were left pulling our hair out.

He made it all too easy to make him look like a kook and a sore loser, the press certainly was more than happy to help with that. He hangs out with even crazier people now. I honestly think if Trump had a strong, organized, and mature response he may well have gotten it overturned but he didn't and we all are paying for that not just him. He won't admit he did anything wrong either, it was all perfect and wonderful and if you dare question that you will be attacked 10 different ways.

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No matter how many times you point this out, the true believers who have gone down the rabbit hole will never see the light. They still believe in The Kraken, Dominion fraud, Spec Ops raid in Germany, 10-20+ million votes were switched from Trump to Biden and/or manufactured for Biden. Some go so far to believe Trump won California.

Just pointing out Trump should have focused on the obvious fraud/harvesting in 6-7 counties, rather than the QAnon type crap from Powell, Rudy, and Lindell, simply enrages them all the more and they dig in their heels even deeper.

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Trump lost to Biden. Biden is president now because of Trump. Biden or another democrat will be president again if we run Trump… again

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There it is. DeSantis posters "KNOW" Trump will lose. So anything that supports that is true anything that doesn't is fake news. You guys put on these huge blinders, you are smarter than that. Allow doubt to come in and you might just realize their are more paths to victory then just RDS or bust.