Okay, point taken. The military they were in doesn'r really exist anymore.

Thanks, Obama.

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Okay, point taken. The military they were in doesn'r really exist anymore.

Thanks, Obama.

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It's not even the military, it's the general populace. "We" can't stomach actual war and brutal tactics. Our pols worry about the public's viewpoint too much instead of effective policy.

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aggiehawg said:

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Okay, point taken. The military they were in doesn'r really exist anymore.

Thanks, Obama.

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It's not even the military, it's the general populace. "We" can't stomach actual war and brutal tactics. Our pols worry about the public's viewpoint too much instead of effective policy.

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True. But if it is covert ops?

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BigRobSA said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Okay, point taken. The military they were in doesn'r really exist anymore.

Thanks, Obama.

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It's not even the military, it's the general populace. "We" can't stomach actual war and brutal tactics. Our pols worry about the public's viewpoint too much instead of effective policy.

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True. But if it is covert ops?

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Hey, I'm not talmbout me. I'd watch a show of nothing but us nuking cities. My give a **** broke years ago. My family left that ****hole for a reason.


And covert would be the way to go. And use only island Mexican spec ops guys. Just for the giggles.

I thought we learned our lesson with toppling governments in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Leave Mexico alone.

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I thought we learned our lesson with toppling governments in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Leave Mexico alone.

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So the cartels are the government, now?

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dds08 said:

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I thought we learned our lesson with toppling governments in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Leave Mexico alone.

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So the cartels are the government, now?

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the people didn't elect the cartels. they elected the current government. if we wanted to attack them we'd probably use the cartels.

Glass the entire country and start over.

Anything less is pointless thanks to the corruption being in every facet of that country.

We are closer to having our own cartels than we are toward stopping theirs.

Full military expedition, or will our ******ed ass politicians be involved?

we could root them out in partnership w the Mexican government.
but it's more profitable to treat the disease than to cure it.

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This will be a fun thread. What needs to be done most couldnt stomach it. Other than that, it will be a long and drawn out process.

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This

Americans, on the whole, are giant wussies. While the cartel will literally saw your head off with a rusty knife.

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Exactly. We don't have the balls to do anything to our enemies in the most ruthless fashion. Hell, we have gotten so soft on crime, turning loose dangerous criminals to commit crime after crime, and not using the death penalty nearly as much as we should. Just don't have the tummy to kill people who need killing. If we went into Mexico, captured some cartel members, and went all Vlad the Impaler on them, drug trafficking would slow to a drip.

Gloves ON [OFF] would see cabron getting shadow realmed with the QUICKNESS

..but this is modern day US and we only play war with Gloves [ON] OFF

Mexico is our neighbor and there are wonderful people there. One of the best things about Texas is the Tejano influence and Mexican culture. Otherwise we'd be oklahoma. If y'all knew how cool and safe Ciudad Juarez was before NAFTA, you'd be stunned. The borders, the drug trade, were nothing like they are now.
I think we could get that back. It was really cool to go across the border and enjoy things. your dollar went a long way and the food music and people were great.

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This will be a fun thread. What needs to be done most couldnt stomach it. Other than that, it will be a long and drawn out process.

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This. You would have to destroy every building that a cartel touches. The "civilian" life cost would paint America as the supreme bad guy.

The cartel would hide behind kids and families. That is not a war that you would publicly win, but you could destroy the cartels.

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Vivek and DeSantis have said they would go on offense and take on the cartel with US forces.

I think you missed that part.

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And this is one of many items where it is a tell they are both full of *****

If the USA decided that US citizens living along the border are being threatened beyond what LEO department can offer in the way of protection then it would be time to do the following:

1: Sitdown with Mexico govt and tell them what will we general plan to do

El Salvador is showing the way.

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Mexico is our neighbor and there are wonderful people there. One of the best things about Texas is the Tejano influence and Mexican culture. Otherwise we'd be oklahoma. If y'all knew how cool and safe Ciudad Juarez was before NAFTA, you'd be stunned. The borders, the drug trade, were nothing like they are now.
I think we could get that back. It was really cool to go across the border and enjoy things. your dollar went a long way and the food music and people were great.

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NAFTA isn't the reason Mexico has gone to hell. The Cartels own the government, or at least, many people in power in Mexico. The rest are too afraid of the Cartels. Mexico has always been susceptible to corruption and the Cartels took advantage of that. Now, they've gotten what they bargained for.

Oh, and Texas isn't great due to Mexican culture. That's nonsense. There's a lot of culture in Texas unrelated to Mexico, Spain, Latin America, etc. There's Western European, particularly German, influence all over Texas for one. There's other influences as well -- some good and others not as good.

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This will be a fun thread. What needs to be done most couldnt stomach it. Other than that, it will be a long and drawn out process.

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Americans, on the whole, are giant wussies. While the cartel will literally saw your head off with a rusty knife.

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Marcus and Morgan Luttrell would like a word.

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Ok? The Luttrell brothers gonna take them on alone? The cartel starts showing videos of their torture/execution techniques on US citizens or captured service members the American public will be squealing for peace. Destroying the cartels would be akin to defeating the Nazis and Japanese, and by that I mean eradicating them in their homes and destroying their will to fight. I don't think the American military has that same mindset anymore. I know it felt like we had one hand tied behind our back and our feet tied together while fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Us would fund supply and train the cartel they can 'control' to take out all the competition.

Think Charlie Wilson's war

We could send our tactical drones... Oh right we sent them to Ukraine.

The cartels would just go to Canada.
I f you're going to do thus, every implication and unintended consequence needs to be understood well in advance.

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El Salvador is showing the way.

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Correct. A total regime change on BOTH sides of the border is the only way to accomplish this. They are both on the take. Until that changes, you cannot make a dent in the drug traffic.

Secure the border. Mandatory death sentence for non-citizens caught smuggling. Mandatory life sentence for US citizens with death sentence option.

Nothing we will ever do will stop drug smuggling completely, but simply securing the border would get the most bang for the buck and would alleviate a lot of other problems as well..

Vietnam part 2

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And this is very different from cartel sympathizers.

1) Stop all payments - electronic, western union, etc. - from the US to Mexico until the cartels are in jail. The everyday Mexican would be in up in arms so fast that they would march against their government to do something.

We'd never get the Mexican gov't to cooperate since they are the cartel.

Have to declare them a terror organization like ISIS. Then unleash the full power of US Special Forces on them. Will need to also have CIA imbedded/jointly working US Special Forces. Also the use of Drone strikes would need to be carried out based on gather intelligence from reconnaissance missions.

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And this is very different from cartel sympathizers.

1) Stop all payments - electronic, western union, etc. - from the US to Mexico until the cartels are in jail. The everyday Mexican would be in up in arms so fast that they would march against their government to do something.

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A good idea, but not one that i think would work.

The banks that they use would also be up in arms so fast they'd (our banks) be having their lobbyists kick down the doors of everyone in congress. And we all know who our representatives really work for. Hint: it's not the saps they get to vote for them.

We'd have to be leery of the siesta cells.

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Mexico is our neighbor and there are wonderful people there. One of the best things about Texas is the Tejano influence and Mexican culture. Otherwise we'd be oklahoma. If y'all knew how cool and safe Ciudad Juarez was before NAFTA, you'd be stunned. The borders, the drug trade, were nothing like they are now.
I think we could get that back. It was really cool to go across the border and enjoy things. your dollar went a long way and the food music and people were great.

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NAFTA isn't the reason Mexico has gone to hell. The Cartels own the government, or at least, many people in power in Mexico. The rest are too afraid of the Cartels. Mexico has always been susceptible to corruption and the Cartels took advantage of that. Now, they've gotten what they bargained for.

Oh, and Texas isn't great due to Mexican culture. That's nonsense. There's a lot of culture in Texas unrelated to Mexico, Spain, Latin America, etc. There's Western European, particularly German, influence all over Texas for one. There's other influences as well -- some good and others not as good.

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lI was responding to this idea of attacking Mexico and turning it into a parking lot, or glass,
LOL. Three quarters of the country can't support population. It's layout is completely different than ours. They don't have a nation-wide "grid," and the cartels are fueled by our appetite foir drugs at its bottom and our investment at the top.
I said one of the best things about Texas is that we share a border with Mexico, and that Juarez was a lot safer and more fun before NAFTA. Guess what, humanity is susceptible to corruption. IDK You might be the most corrupt person on this forum. You definitely corrupted my post.
and I'll say this w confidence, there's more corruption in the legal profession per capita than there is in Mexico. by far.

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I think we tried playing defense having our own War on Drugs but that has failed. Vivek and DeSantis have said they would go on offense and take on the cartel with US forces. I'm sure the military has drawn up plans for taking out the cartel but no president has taken the fight to them.

Here are some challenges I can think of

• Will we have Mexican government cooperation
• Will US congress support it
• Would this trigger a Mexican civil war
• Mexico is our largest trading partner, about 20%
• Cartel backed terrorist attacks in the United States
• Millions of potential Mexican sympathizers inside the US
• Mexican invasion provide cover to China to invade Taiwan
• Will rest of world support after disastrous invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya
• Will we have to rebuild and what to do with even bigger refugee crisis if its a civil war

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Watch the movie Sicario. It's about this and probably the most accurate depiction of what could happen. The border crossing scene is one of the finest in modern cinema.

Having worked both in federal government and as a journalist on border issues, the cartels want to keep their dealings with the U.S. government as far away from an actual war as possible. The full might of the U.S. military would steamroll, but it's far more likely to be a spec ops war.

The issue as I see it is that there are cartels in every central and South American country. Are we going to fight there too?

yes special ops. and freeze all their investments and financial assets in the USA which are substantial. They lost the weed business in America, and responded by getting a major foothold in the growing biz in California.
Americans taking cartel money have to be punished. Americans aren't "wimps" compared to Mexicans.
We have a bunch of corrupt double-dealing rich men north of richmond who profit off the cartels.