Do you have to put a green cap on each grave to show nitrogen was used?

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Thanks. So the nitrogen hypoxia works faster than CO poisoning, I take it?

Again, thank you for your response.

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Fully removing oxygen from the air while allowing the body to express co2 will rapidly lead to death by hypoxia in a straightforward manner without any physiological alarms going off.

CO poisoning works in a similar fashion, but the rapidity depends on the circumstances and is more complex.

Sorry that I'm hedging my answers counselor, but I think you can infer here what I'm saying here.

Administering CO while they are watching old Hillary Clinton speeches. They will not resent the CO at all.

Understood, gotcha. Thanks again.

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Wonder how much a decompression chamber costs to run? They get happy then fall asleep

CO also costs anywhere from two to three times as much as N2 due to production complexity.

Try it on biden first.

This dude was contracted to murder a preachers wife by the twisted preacher.

Can't we just use clawhammers on people like this?

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What do they give dogs? They just pass out and are dead in about 5 seconds. No yelping or struggling, just lights out and quickly. Why can't we do that?

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I was thinking the same thing.

Back in April I sat on the floor in a room at our vet's clinic with my buddy laid put in my lap. She never made a sound. She just went limp within in seconds and her tongue rolled out of her mouth.

Of course I felt like I murdered my friend but had to hold on to the logic side of the brain that it had to be done.

I don't think my girl felt a things. She sure didn't act like it.

And now I'm going to probably cry again lol.

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ts5641 said:

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What do they give dogs? They just pass out and are dead in about 5 seconds. No yelping or struggling, just lights out and quickly. Why can't we do that?

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I was thinking the same thing.

Back in April I sat on the floor in a room at our vet's clinic with my buddy laid put in my lap. She never made a sound. She just went limp within in seconds and her tongue rolled out of her mouth.

Of course I felt like I murdered my friend but had to hold on to the logic side of the brain that it had to be done.

I don't think my girl felt a things. She sure didn't act like it.

And now I'm going to probably cry again lol.

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Yes. I held my best friend's paw and watched all the pain go away in a quick few seconds. I mourn him to this day, 3 years later. Something that quick and peaceful is too good for some of the human filth that are executed.

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CO poisoning works in a similar fashion, but the rapidity depends on the circumstances and is more complex.

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CO binds to hemoglobin many times more strongly than does O2 and does not release from the hemoglobin in the tissue beds. Once the hemoglobin is saturated with CO then there isn't anywhere for the O2 to bind so it doesn't get transported from the lungs to the tissues no matter how much O2 is present in the inspired breath.

Nitrogen displaces the O2 in the inspired gas mixture. If there isn't any O2 present to bind to the hemoglobin then they circulate from lungs to the tissues devoid of O2.

Your explanation of how respiration is really regulated by CO2 was spot on. Neither CO nor N2 asphyxiation affects the exhalation of CO2 so it never builds up in the body and never triggers any physiologic alarms. On the other hand, a CO2 asphyxiation execution would be an extremely cruel option as the attempts to breathe and the anxiety would be off the charts as the levels rose.

Lethal injection is still the most humane and painless option. The pharma activists are trying to prevent executions by refusing to sell the necessary drugs for the lethal injection option, but all they accomplish is forcing states back into firing squads, hanging, asphyxiation, etc. Not that I'm opposed to any of them, but the activism is both futile and counterproductive to their stated goals IMO. The executions are still going to happen, so why deny the condemned the most peaceful death possible?

Why not fast, heavy, spinny things?

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Why not fast, heavy, spinny things?

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Because the goal is to execute someone without having to clean up a big mess

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Do whatever is allowed for abortions.

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Exactly..... start dismembering the body with metzenbaum scissors and then vacuum out the contents of the skull.

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This is how we euthanize chickens we use for bird strike tests. Works great.

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I feel like we need more information and a couple of videos...

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This is how we euthanize chickens we use for bird strike tests. Works great.

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so you raise chickens professionally?

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This is how we euthanize chickens we use for bird strike tests. Works great.

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so you raise chickens professionally?

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Sounds like he kills chickens professionally then throws them at high speed against objects.

Ha.... i was thinking chickens that go on strike refusing to die for human consumption.

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This has been proposed for years, just never gained traction until the drug companies started blocking access to the drugs used for execution.

Should have been done a long time ago since it is a painless death, thus very hard for the anti-death penalty activists to make an 8 Amendment claim, and it is one of the few execution methods that allows for organ donation. Right now, only hanging and firing squad make that option available.

I've always thought the best method is public execution by hanging.

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So what happens? Just a calm passing out and then death?

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IIRC, the proposal is to administer a sedative to render the condemned unconscious and then simply evacuate the air from the chamber and replace it with pure nitrogen. Death from hypoxia will occur in 3-7 minutes, give or take, depending on the individual.

This.

It's a living.

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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I am fine with any method, actually, once guilt has been 100% determined.

Guillotine
Hanging
Firing squad
Injection
This nitrogen treatment
Sharks, alligators, or big-ass pigs
Free helicopter rides
Electric chair
Gas chamber

But again, only when guilt has been 100% determined. This has long been my stance, but ……..

On the other hand, with the number of idiots running around making claims about this or that being settled because of "science", eh, I mean politics, I have hesitation on giving government this kind of power. One could say that this is an evolution in my thinking on the death penalty, I suppose.

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Guilt never had to be 100 percent determined and rarely ever is. The law only requires "beyond a reasonable doubt" which is heavy burden unless you are Trump. Then anything is enough.

I have an impossible time squaring my distrust of the government/judges/prosecutors/cops with support for the death penalty. But okay, kill them quick, I guess.

My vote is to put them down in the same manner that they murdered their victim. If multiple victims, we go to the wheel of destiny. The sack of meat spins a wheel with proportional options for methods of death. It'll be fun for the whole family.

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This.

It's a living.

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I think its an interesting one and necessary to ensure safety of whatever you are testing.

Also, relevant as you said to this topic as you typically want the euthanizing to be least painful or painless unless you work with a bunch of chicken hatin sadists.

You're right about that, of course. My reasoning for the 100% certainty statement is a response to the oft-repeated caution of not letting the State execute prisoners because there have been times when these decisions have been wrong. And with this recent trend toward calling something "science" which are actually only "political" gives me a desire to see an ever more stringent standard to adhere to for death penalty cases.

Seems so expensive.

Just use current stocks of fentanyl and let them quietly fade away.

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The debate over capital punishment is taking an interesting turn in Alabama this month and it may turn out to be a moment where those of us who don't oppose the death penalty ask, 'How did we not think of this before?' Many states are having trouble obtaining the required cocktail of drugs to use in lethal injection cases because of activists in the pharmaceutical industry. States have abandoned both the electric chair and the gas chamber as being too "barbaric." Firing squads still work and are available in some states, but many people similarly find them offputting. But now Alabama is looking at carrying out its next execution using nitrogen hypoxia. (Associated Press)

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Alabama is seeking to become the first state to execute a prisoner by making him breathe pure nitrogen.

The Alabama attorney general's office on Friday asked the state Supreme Court to set an execution date for death row inmate Kenneth Smith. Alabama plans to put him to death by nitrogen hypoxia, an execution method that is authorized in three states but has never been used.

Nitrogen hypoxia is caused by forcing the inmate to breathe only nitrogen, depriving them of oxygen and causing them to pass out and die, according to the theory.

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The method is fairly straightforward. You secure the prisoner in a space where all of the normal air has been pumped out and replaced with pure nitrogen. Nitrogen is colorless and odorless and you're breathing a lot of it right now while reading this. It makes up the majority of the atmosphere. But without the 21% of the atmosphere made up of oxygen, people don't last very long in it.

As you would expect, the AP is fretting over this, calling the solution "untested" and equating it to "human experimentation." But that's really not true. It's untested on humans as a means of execution, but it's been used on all manner of animals in the past and it's quite effective. It should also be seen as "more humane" than the other methods I listed (assuming that's a priority for you in cases of capital punishment). Research done by Iowa State University on lab animals showed that all subjects became unconscious within one minute and died with no signs of pain.

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Plenty of people have died from this effect over the years, though not via intentional execution. Pilots used to die from hypoxia on a regular basis, including one named Thomas Mantell who gained fame when he perished while pursuing a UFO in 1948. He was diverted from a routine training mission over Kentucky and ordered to investigate a large, bizarrely shaped object that had entered the airspace over Fort Knox. He climbed above 20,000 feet to get a look at it but his plane either didn't have oxygen masks installed or he had run out. His plane crashed a few miles away, apparently after running out of fuel. He was believed to have passed out from hypoxia. (Rumors that he had been shot down by aliens did not prove convincing to most people.) There's even a monument on the site of his crash.

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Thoughts?

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I am an Alabama taxpayer and citizen and oppose this method.

Firing squad is cheaper than this. It can also be done mechanically by machines that function as guns as well.

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Seems so expensive.

Just use current stocks of fentanyl and let them quietly fade away.

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Problem with fentanyl is they don't quietly fade away. They try and pass the worst counterfeit bill then cry to their momma about how they "can't breeve".

We would have a lot less problems if certain fentanyl users had faded away quietly.

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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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I am fine with any method, actually, once guilt has been 100% determined.

Guillotine
Hanging
Firing squad
Injection
This nitrogen treatment
Sharks, alligators, or big-ass pigs
Free helicopter rides
Electric chair
Gas chamber

But again, only when guilt has been 100% determined. This has long been my stance, but ……..

On the other hand, with the number of idiots running around making claims about this or that being settled because of "science", eh, I mean politics, I have hesitation on giving government this kind of power. One could say that this is an evolution in my thinking on the death penalty, I suppose.

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Guilt never had to be 100 percent determined and rarely ever is. The law only requires "beyond a reasonable doubt" which is heavy burden unless you are Trump. Then anything is enough.

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Exactly why the death penalty is barbaric regardless of how painless the method is.

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Seems so expensive.

Just use current stocks of fentanyl and let them quietly fade away.

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Will they scream "I can't breathe" as they pass?

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Bryanisbest said:

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Guilt never had to be 100 percent determined and rarely ever is. The law only requires "beyond a reasonable doubt" which is heavy burden unless you are Trump. Then anything is enough.

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Exactly why the death penalty is barbaric regardless of how painless the method is.

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Absolutely. Places who have abolished the death penalty and focus on prisoner reform vs punishment are much more advanced and civilized.

Take Luis Garavito from Columbia. He is a great example of how not having the death penalty results in justice for the victims. BTW - He is eligible for parole this year and has expressed interest in running for office or becoming a preacher.

No worries, our southern border is secure so no way he makes his way up to the States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Garavito

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Luis Alfredo Garavito Cubillos (born 25 January 1957), also known as La Bestia ("The Beast") or Tribilin ("Goofy") is a Colombian serial killer, sex offender, pedophile, and necrophile. In October 1999, he confessed to committing the rape, torture, mutilation and murder of 147 minors, predominantly young men and boys in the western Colombian region.

Beginning a series of torture-rapes on minors aged 6 to 16 in the autumn of 1980, Garavito was estimated to have raped and tortured a minimum of 200 minors, before committing the rape, torture, mutilation and murder of an additional 189 minors in Colombia from 4 October 1992 to 21 April 1999, and a further four murders in Ecuador during the summer of 1998.

Apprehended on 22 April 1999 for the attempted rape of 12-year-old John Ivn Sabogal, Garavito was held under suspicion for several months until he confessed on 28 October 1999. The court ruled that Garavito should serve sentences totalling 1,853 years and 9 days in jail. Between his Colombian and Ecuadorian victims, Garavito is confirmed to have murdered at least 193 minors in total, making him the most prolific serial killer in modern history. If his 2003 confession is to be believed, his murders of 23 minors and 5 adults would raise his murder victim count to 221.

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Rapier108 said:

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This has been proposed for years, just never gained traction until the drug companies started blocking access to the drugs used for execution.

Should have been done a long time ago since it is a painless death, thus very hard for the anti-death penalty activists to make an 8 Amendment claim, and it is one of the few execution methods that allows for organ donation. Right now, only hanging and firing squad make that option available.

I've always thought the best method is public execution by hanging.

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So what happens? Just a calm passing out and then death?

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Why should it be calm/painless? These are the most barbaric monsters known to society.

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The debate over capital punishment is taking an interesting turn in Alabama this month and it may turn out to be a moment where those of us who don't oppose the death penalty ask, 'How did we not think of this before?' Many states are having trouble obtaining the required cocktail of drugs to use in lethal injection cases because of activists in the pharmaceutical industry. States have abandoned both the electric chair and the gas chamber as being too "barbaric." Firing squads still work and are available in some states, but many people similarly find them offputting. But now Alabama is looking at carrying out its next execution using nitrogen hypoxia. (Associated Press)

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Alabama is seeking to become the first state to execute a prisoner by making him breathe pure nitrogen.

The Alabama attorney general's office on Friday asked the state Supreme Court to set an execution date for death row inmate Kenneth Smith. Alabama plans to put him to death by nitrogen hypoxia, an execution method that is authorized in three states but has never been used.

Nitrogen hypoxia is caused by forcing the inmate to breathe only nitrogen, depriving them of oxygen and causing them to pass out and die, according to the theory.

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The method is fairly straightforward. You secure the prisoner in a space where all of the normal air has been pumped out and replaced with pure nitrogen. Nitrogen is colorless and odorless and you're breathing a lot of it right now while reading this. It makes up the majority of the atmosphere. But without the 21% of the atmosphere made up of oxygen, people don't last very long in it.

As you would expect, the AP is fretting over this, calling the solution "untested" and equating it to "human experimentation." But that's really not true. It's untested on humans as a means of execution, but it's been used on all manner of animals in the past and it's quite effective. It should also be seen as "more humane" than the other methods I listed (assuming that's a priority for you in cases of capital punishment). Research done by Iowa State University on lab animals showed that all subjects became unconscious within one minute and died with no signs of pain.

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Plenty of people have died from this effect over the years, though not via intentional execution. Pilots used to die from hypoxia on a regular basis, including one named Thomas Mantell who gained fame when he perished while pursuing a UFO in 1948. He was diverted from a routine training mission over Kentucky and ordered to investigate a large, bizarrely shaped object that had entered the airspace over Fort Knox. He climbed above 20,000 feet to get a look at it but his plane either didn't have oxygen masks installed or he had run out. His plane crashed a few miles away, apparently after running out of fuel. He was believed to have passed out from hypoxia. (Rumors that he had been shot down by aliens did not prove convincing to most people.) There's even a monument on the site of his crash.

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I'd prefer the most in-humane way possible for these evil criminals. Humane executions is just silly.

Urban Ag said:

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ts5641 said:

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What do they give dogs? They just pass out and are dead in about 5 seconds. No yelping or struggling, just lights out and quickly. Why can't we do that?

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I was thinking the same thing.

Back in April I sat on the floor in a room at our vet's clinic with my buddy laid put in my lap. She never made a sound. She just went limp within in seconds and her tongue rolled out of her mouth.

Of course I felt like I murdered my friend but had to hold on to the logic side of the brain that it had to be done.

I don't think my girl felt a things. She sure didn't act like it.

And now I'm going to probably cry again lol.

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Damn, I almost get choked up thinking about this day. Hoping ours has a few more years left.