LOLC@LAg said:
they need to sod asbestos all across the property .
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LOLC@LAg said:
they need to sod asbestos all across the property .
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You don't understand.Old May Banker said:LostInLA07 said:
They aren't going to pay through the nose. They are going to use eminent domain proceedings to take his property at a value that is less than what he would agree to sell it for. I wouldn't want to live there either but he apparently does. I don't think its all that uncommon for people in that age range to prefer to stay / die in the house they've lived in most of their life.
Again, I'm no fan on eminent domain... but even when used, i don't believe they don't get to own it below market value.
LostInLA07 said:
Correct, they have to pay based on some determination of market value during the eminent domain proceedings, and I believe the amount usually ends a bit higher than "market value" because there are other costs the taking entity has to pay. I'm sure the ISD has already offered "market value." The main issue here is the landowner doesn't want to sell for whatever someone else determined market value to be, so the government entity is going to force the sale for a non essential purpose.
I know there are instances where eminent domain is used because it is mutually agreed between the parties that the current owner will come out ahead, or the taking entity needs to acquire multiple tracts from multiple landowners so negotiating individually isn't feasible. This just isn't one of those cases. A handful of people shouldn't be able to force you to sell your property just because it is adjacent to an existing ISD facility.
I frankly can't think of any use case where an ISD would need eminent domain. The only essential activity they perform is education of students and, unlike roads or distribution lines, schools don't require an exact routing or location to perform that function.
StandUpforAmerica said:
Two more things...
- The guy is 78, how much longer would AISD really have to wait to fulfill the life estate agreement?
- HCAD has this property appraised at less than $200,000. If they guy doesn't have much in savings, where will he really be able to afford to move to?
Ag with kids said:
I grew up on Team Bugs Bunny.
I am STILL on Team Bugs Bunny...
Yeah...that part sucks.LostInLA07 said:
And most of his property taxes have been frozen for 14 years, so even moving to an equivalent property is going to cost him more annually. Tough pill to swallow on what is probably a limited fixed income.
StandUpforAmerica said:
I was off by one year when I was looking. The Market value is now $237k and the Appraised value is $157k. This all assumes that I'm looking up the right address:
LostInLA07 said:
And most of his property taxes have been frozen for 14 years, so even moving to an equivalent property is going to cost him more annually. Tough pill to swallow on what is probably a limited fixed income.
There is no myth about personal property ownership……..if you don't pay your property taxes, you will quickly learn who actually owns your property!BlackGoldAg2011 said:Just another piece of evidence that personal property ownership is actually a myth and we are all just leasing it from the state.eric76 said:
I detest eminent domain with a passion. There is rarely, if ever, any need to use it. It is nothing more than a practice used by people who do not believe in Capitalism and Free Markets.
YesAg with kids said:
Is that part of Houston so ****ty that ONE ACRE right adjacent to a school inside the city limits is worth only $200K?
Nice!CheeseSndwch said:
'We are at peace': Aldine ISD votes to stop pursuing 79-year-old's home next to stadium
LostInLA07 said:
Yep, and the government entity should have to prove public necessity and no reasonable alternative exist. This one should fail on the first point because a high school stadium parking lot isn't a public necessity.
Ag with kids said:Yeah...that part sucks.LostInLA07 said:
And most of his property taxes have been frozen for 14 years, so even moving to an equivalent property is going to cost him more annually. Tough pill to swallow on what is probably a limited fixed income.
I remember being up in DFW when they were buying up all that land to build Jerryworld. They basically used ED to get a large chunk of older neighborhoods in Arlington.
They talked about how they were giving "fair value" for the homes. Sure, it was 10% above what was probably market value for THAT house (or something like that)...but then those people still needed a house to live in. And the amount of money they gave them wasn't going to get them much of anything in the rest of DFW.
He would get the value of the property, and as part of the relocation study, would also get whatever else it took to get him into a similar place elsewhere. I am not familiar with this case, so if they are not providing relocation costs, he is getting screwed.StandUpforAmerica said:
Two more things...
- The guy is 78, how much longer would AISD really have to wait to fulfill the life estate agreement?
- HCAD has this property appraised at less than $200,000. If they guy doesn't have much in savings, where will he really be able to afford to move to?
Actually, the state constitution does say that.IndividualFreedom said:
Private schools would have to purchase that property IF it were for sale. AGAIN, school vouchers stand on the side of individual freedom. Removing the govt. and handing back/maintaining this individual freedom is the most fundamental goal.
ISDs need to be hobbled. In no way or shape should a govt. be able to come in and TAKE property away from an individual. Especially to build an unconstitutional school football stadium parking lot (Where in the constitution does it say education is a right?)
OH but the rural areas???? Still no reason to suspend a Yes vote for school choice.
If it gets to a jury trial, that is always an option, and it is extremely rare that an ED case is a bench trial. But most cases settle before it gets to trial because it's expensive, and juries are quirky. I haven't seen the numbers lately, but it has to be a fraction of a percent of cases that make it to a jury trial.FarmerJohn said:
Eminent domain should have the option for a jury trial.
Unlike a democrat, I can admit when a point of mine is defeated. Texas has some bs language about education (and I knew that) as my brain was on federal auto pilot. Still do not like it. Education does not mean ISD, lunch, transportation, athletics, etc. It does not define that in the TEXAS constitution. It is time to eliminate/cap the standards OR (and I like this idea the best) SELL the ISD's to the private sector. What would Katy ISD be worth and could/would it sell?Quote:
Actually, the state constitution does say that.