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If you agree that Trump is better than Kamala, and under your assumption those are our two choices in the general election, why do you have a hard time voting for Trump? You failing to vote for Trump is the reason why Kamala has half a chance at becoming president.

Trump is not my first choice, but if he is the Republican candidate, I will vote for him. If everyone held to this belief, the election would be a landslide for the Republican candidate, as the Democrats are criminals, incompetent and criminally incompetent.

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This. There are so my self-proclaimed "Republicans" on this board, but if Trump wins the nomination as the Republican candidate they won't vote for him because he doesn't meet their moral standards. Instead, they will abstain from voting, or vote for an Independent/Libertarian candidate and essentially hand the election to the Democrats. Will that Democratic candidate be a more moral choice than Trump? No, but they get to hide behind the fact that they didn't vote for him/her. It's all about feelings for these concerned moderates, RINOs and Never-Trumpers. I'm not saying that Trump is the best choice, but if he's the Republican nominee then swallow your pride, act like a man and vote for the lesser of two evils.

Some of you are still very ignorant to how many people will vote for anyone but trump.

I'm not going to say a vote for Trump is a vote for Biden/Kamala, even though the end result would almost assuredly end up that way. But the answer to what we need to do has been obvious for a year now.

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It is absolutely a vote for Kamala. So every Trump voter better shut their trap when she is sworn in in 2026 or so.

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Desires to shut up someone with a different opinion on political candidates.
Why how communist of you.

RoadkillBBQ said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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It is absolutely a vote for Kamala. So every Trump voter better shut their trap when she is sworn in in 2026 or so.

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Desires to shut up someone with a different opinion on political candidates.
Why how communist of you.

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You are welcome to voice your opinion now. I don't care. But if/when President Kamala is sworn in 4 years from now, no one is going to take your whining seriously. You will be as responsible as any Dem voter for putting her in that chair.

TulsAg said:

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A vote for Donald Trump in the GOP primary is a vote for Kamala Harris for President.

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No it isn't. Stop with the theatrics.

Why are DeSantis supporters and others trying to convince everyone that somehow Trump can win the primary but has no chance to win the general while their guy can't win the primary but somehow has a magically better chance to win the general?

cevans_40 said:

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Why are DeSantis supporters and others trying to convince everyone that somehow Trump can win the primary but has no chance to win the general while their guy can't win the primary but somehow has a magically better chance to win the general?

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Because 60-65 % of the nation despises Trump and will vote against him no matter who the democrat is.

cevans_40 said:

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Why are DeSantis supporters and others trying to convince everyone that somehow Trump can win the primary but has no chance to win the general while their guy can't win the primary but somehow has a magically better chance to win the general?

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Let me clear that up for you. Primary voters are made of F16er types. People that are into politics or at least follow it and stay informed. These people don't care that Trump is a **** show.

The general election vote is heavily weighted towards the general voter. The general public hates Trump because he's a **** show. He's become unelectable.

"Trump remains broadly unpopular with the public: 63% of Americans have an unfavorable opinion of the former president, while 35% view him favorably."

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/07/21/little-change-in-americans-views-of-trump-over-the-past-year/#:~:text=Here%20are%20the%20questions%20used,while%2035%25%20view%20him%20favorably.

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cevans_40 said:

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Why are DeSantis supporters and others trying to convince everyone that somehow Trump can win the primary but has no chance to win the general while their guy can't win the primary but somehow has a magically better chance to win the general?

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Because 60-65 % of the nation despises Trump and will vote against him no matter who the democrat is.

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But they won't get off their asses to vote for someone else in the primary?

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SA68AG said:

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cevans_40 said:

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Why are DeSantis supporters and others trying to convince everyone that somehow Trump can win the primary but has no chance to win the general while their guy can't win the primary but somehow has a magically better chance to win the general?

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Because 60-65 % of the nation despises Trump and will vote against him no matter who the democrat is.

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But they won't get off their asses to vote for someone else in the primary?

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Of course they won't. The masses never go out to the Primary.

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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cevans_40 said:

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SA68AG said:

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cevans_40 said:

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Why are DeSantis supporters and others trying to convince everyone that somehow Trump can win the primary but has no chance to win the general while their guy can't win the primary but somehow has a magically better chance to win the general?

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Because 60-65 % of the nation despises Trump and will vote against him no matter who the democrat is.

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But they won't get off their asses to vote for someone else in the primary?

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Of course they won't. The masses never go out to the Primary.

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Just Trump supporters?

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RoadkillBBQ said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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It is absolutely a vote for Kamala. So every Trump voter better shut their trap when she is sworn in in 2026 or so.

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Desires to shut up someone with a different opinion on political candidates.
Why how communist of you.

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You are welcome to voice your opinion now. I don't care. But if/when President Kamala is sworn in 4 years from now, no one is going to take your whining seriously. You will be as responsible as any Dem voter for putting her in that chair.

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I'm on the complete opposite side of all this and don't believe we'll have a fair election ever again. Doesn't mean I won't vote so don't assume that's what I'm saying or that I'm encouraging others to give up. I'm simply stating a concern of mine based on my observations in 2020.

The main problem with Trump winning the nomination is the sheer number of people that bought into the belief sold by the left that Biden actually received 81 million votes. That's setting the stage for the very same narrative to be sold to the American people again, no matter who runs against Trump.

If DeSantis was to win the nomination and the same questionable actions were to occur in 2024 maybe people would then realize we have a real problem on our hands concerning election integrity.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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No it's not. A vote for Kamala is a vote for Kamala. You are using fear porn to manipulate people. Shame on you. You don't know the outcomes. No one does.

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Yes, it is. A Trump nomination means at least another 4 years of Democrat control. Maybe even more if the Dems succeed at DC statehood, SCOTUS packing and election "reform". Book it.


If I'm wrong, I'll gladly eat all the crow in the world. But I don't think I am.

RoadkillBBQ said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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RoadkillBBQ said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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It is absolutely a vote for Kamala. So every Trump voter better shut their trap when she is sworn in in 2026 or so.

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Desires to shut up someone with a different opinion on political candidates.
Why how communist of you.

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You are welcome to voice your opinion now. I don't care. But if/when President Kamala is sworn in 4 years from now, no one is going to take your whining seriously. You will be as responsible as any Dem voter for putting her in that chair.

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I'm on the complete opposite side of all this and don't believe we'll have a fair election ever again. Doesn't mean I won't vote so don't assume that's what I'm saying or that I'm encouraging others to give up. I'm simply stating a concern of mine based on my observations in 2020.

The main problem with Trump winning the nomination is the sheer number of people that bought into the belief sold by the left that Biden actually received 81 million votes. That's setting the stage for the very same narrative to be sold to the American people again, no matter who runs against Trump.

If DeSantis was to win the nomination and the same questionable actions were to occur in 2024 maybe people would then realize we have a real problem on our hands concerning election integrity.

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That and the people on the right who buy into the current legal hoax. Oh and the January 6th narrative. Its all working as somehow, with the worst President of modern times currently in office, Trumps approval ratings have gone down since leaving office. Any other Presidents ratings would have skyrocketed.

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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cevans_40 said:

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SA68AG said:

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cevans_40 said:

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Why are DeSantis supporters and others trying to convince everyone that somehow Trump can win the primary but has no chance to win the general while their guy can't win the primary but somehow has a magically better chance to win the general?

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Because 60-65 % of the nation despises Trump and will vote against him no matter who the democrat is.

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But they won't get off their asses to vote for someone else in the primary?

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Of course they won't. The masses never go out to the Primary.

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Just Trump supporters?

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Trump supporters are way underestimating Trunp hatred. Trump hatred got us Biden. People who otherwise never would've voted coming out of the woodworks in record numbers to vote against him. And they'll gladly do it again in 2024.

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RoadkillBBQ said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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RoadkillBBQ said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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It is absolutely a vote for Kamala. So every Trump voter better shut their trap when she is sworn in in 2026 or so.

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Desires to shut up someone with a different opinion on political candidates.
Why how communist of you.

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You are welcome to voice your opinion now. I don't care. But if/when President Kamala is sworn in 4 years from now, no one is going to take your whining seriously. You will be as responsible as any Dem voter for putting her in that chair.

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I'm on the complete opposite side of all this and don't believe we'll have a fair election ever again. Doesn't mean I won't vote so don't assume that's what I'm saying or that I'm encouraging others to give up. I'm simply stating a concern of mine based on my observations in 2020.

The main problem with Trump winning the nomination is the sheer number of people that bought into the belief sold by the left that Biden actually received 81 million votes. That's setting the stage for the very same narrative to be sold to the American people again, no matter who runs against Trump.

If DeSantis was to win the nomination and the same questionable actions were to occur in 2024 maybe people would then realize we have a real problem on our hands concerning election integrity.

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That and the people on the right who buy into the current legal hoax. Oh and the January 6th narrative. Its all working as somehow, with the worst President of modern times currently in office, Trumps approval ratings have gone down since leaving office. Any other Presidents ratings would have skyrocketed.

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The Orange Man Bad narrative has been pushed by the left ever since Trump was elected. Like Goebbels said; "if you tell a lie often enough, it becomes the truth". And unfortunately too many Americans look straight past the shape our country was in under Trump, right up until Covid and buy all those lies. All they see is a criminal because all the left has done since day 1 is go after the man. And time and time again we find out our government lied to us. Even now they're filing frivolous lawsuits to destroy him. And at the same time people are astonished by the apparent corruption in Washington and don't tie the 2 together?

A corrupt government persecuting a political opponent non stop. People should ask themselves why. One of the more obvious answers might be that he is seen as a threat to that corruption.

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SA68AG said:

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cevans_40 said:

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Why are DeSantis supporters and others trying to convince everyone that somehow Trump can win the primary but has no chance to win the general while their guy can't win the primary but somehow has a magically better chance to win the general?

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Because 60-65 % of the nation despises Trump and will vote against him no matter who the democrat is.

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But they won't get off their asses to vote for someone else in the primary?

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Of course they won't. The masses never go out to the Primary.

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Just Trump supporters?

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Trump supporters are way underestimating Trunp hatred. Trump hatred got us Biden. People who otherwise never would've voted coming out of the woodworks in record numbers to vote against him. And they'll gladly do it again in 2024.

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And what is that "hate" based on? They just don't like the man's personality? I know a guy who voted libertarian in 2020 who told me he did so simply because he didn't see Trump as very presidential. Well guess what? Neither is Biden. At least Trump was good for America right up until the Chinese released a bio weapon on the world.

Again, what is everyone basing all their dislike of Trump on? What the left has sold you on social media? That's where perceptions and opinions are formed these days. And who is that perfect candidate? I don't think there is one. Everyone in todays world of social media gets shredded. Vote for policy and what's good for America, not for some candidates personality.

RoadkillBBQ said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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cevans_40 said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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cevans_40 said:

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SA68AG said:

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cevans_40 said:

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Why are DeSantis supporters and others trying to convince everyone that somehow Trump can win the primary but has no chance to win the general while their guy can't win the primary but somehow has a magically better chance to win the general?

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Because 60-65 % of the nation despises Trump and will vote against him no matter who the democrat is.

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But they won't get off their asses to vote for someone else in the primary?

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Of course they won't. The masses never go out to the Primary.

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Just Trump supporters?

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Trump supporters are way underestimating Trunp hatred. Trump hatred got us Biden. People who otherwise never would've voted coming out of the woodworks in record numbers to vote against him. And they'll gladly do it again in 2024.

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And what is that "hate" based on? They just don't like the man's personality? I know a guy who voted libertarian in 2020 who told me he did so simply because he didn't see Trump as very presidential. Well guess what? Neither is Biden. At least Trump was good for America right up until the Chinese released a bio weapon on the world.

Again, what is everyone basing all their dislike of Trump on? What the left has sold you on social media? That's where perceptions and opinions are formed these days. And who is that perfect candidate? I don't think there is one. Everyone in todays world of social media gets shredded. Vote for policy and what's good for America, not for some candidates personality.

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Dislike for Trump

-basically a Dem in terms of monetary and fiscal policy. Fought for negative interest rates, ethanol and other subsidies, sent out 2 different stimulus packages and campaigned on a 3rd, refuses to touch entitlements and attacks those that acknowledge the problem, had a $1T deficit PRE COVID (which was double Obama's final deficit)

-His hiring practices are horrendous and is unable to build a cohesive team to accomplish anything lasting, most of what he does isn't binding. Will always have a leaky ship of an administration

-lets his personal vendettas get in the way of helping the country (McCain, spending more money on attack ads on Republicans than Dems)

-falls for every trap laid by the media and Dems. Neuters his ability to govern.

Nothing in there about mean tweets. Those are legitimate concerns and issues.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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AggieVictor10 said:

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No it's not. A vote for Kamala is a vote for Kamala. You are using fear porn to manipulate people. Shame on you. You don't know the outcomes. No one does.

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If desantis doesn't win the R nom and doesn't become president , then america is doomed.

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Fear porn.

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It's also accurate. Wokeness is the root of all our problems: weak military, thug friendly cities, the open border, conservatives getting banned on social media, and woke representation in movies.. only one man can stop it.

AggieVictor10 said:

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Yukon Cornelius said:

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AggieVictor10 said:

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Yukon Cornelius said:

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No it's not. A vote for Kamala is a vote for Kamala. You are using fear porn to manipulate people. Shame on you. You don't know the outcomes. No one does.

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If desantis doesn't win the R nom and doesn't become president , then america is doomed.

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Fear porn.

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It's also accurate. Wokeness is the root of all our problems: weak military, thug friendly cities, the open border, conservatives getting banned on social media, and woke representation in movies.. only one man can stop it.

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Lol. Putting hope and faith in a single politician is never the answer.

Kamala Harris is clearly about to become the sitting/official president, and it for some reason terrifies Democrats. Weird.

https://instagr.am/p/CxcKd0srB5a

She's ready.

It's time.

A vote for Trump is a vote to Make America Great Again.

TeslAg > TulsAg

Not understanding how they plan to gloss over Kamala.

How did her and Joe get the most votes of all time, and she be the least popular VP of all time?

Kamala say she scared of the crazies.

I wonder if Kamala has ever watched the HBO Series Veep. Do you think she finds any of it funny enough to reward with a cackle, or does she have no self awareness?

No one likes Joe either. Didn't his approval rating tank pretty shortly after he was inaugurated an empty ceremony surrounded by concertina wire and concrete barriers.

Lol to all the fools that think DNC is gonna choose Kamala or Gavin. Look deeper. Research who Minyon Moore is.

And a battalion of national guard posted up in a nearby parking garage.

Thank you TulsAg, very cool.

Lady nails the Kamala impression.

The first female president might be sworn in because a man with full blown dementia can simply go no further.

Think about that.

What kind of legacy does that leave? What kind of message does that send?

Kamala going to take over as president for a couple months before she's quickly swapped out with another old guy?

Whoever the DNC appoints to replace Biden got to be spectacular in order to distract from that fact.

Kams walking towards the plate.

Big Mike just put the donut on her bat.

Put Kamala in the driver's seat.

They have to. It must be done.