C@LAg said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Bird Poo said:

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Why don't they just use seawater to fight fires?

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Because they need huge pumps, huge pipelines and tons of maintenance to keep saltwater pipelines from corroding?

Or are you not thinking clearly here?

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seattle has three fireboats that it maintains to provide salt and (if needed) fresh water fire support - direct cannon and indirect hose support,.

as well as to greet cruise ships and whatnot.

no reason the island should not have had some as well.

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That's like having snow plows in South Texas. Lots of expensive maintenance and upkeep for virtually no usage. Fireboats are great for fighting fires on docks and along the shore front, which Seattle has a lot of and Maui doesn't, but there's no way in hell they're reaching miles inland to fight wildfires. By the time a fireboat could have put any seawater on this, Lahaina would already have been a smoking husk.

Love Gun said:

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Helicopters can drop sea water with fire buckets.

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Not with gusts at 60+ mph

Water boats wouldn't work either. Winds were 60+ blowing offshore. No hose is going to get water
On land with that kind of wind. And helos aren't flying either.

Not everything is a conspiracy theory.

All of these responses, but nobody has justified using freshwater supplies to combat fire on the island. It just isn't done. Regarding the OP, this is understandable.

The overall tone of the response sounds like the Uvalde school shooting.

TheEternalPessimist said:

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annie88 said:

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WTF?

🚨 THIS IS PURE EVIL!!! I Have Obtained New Footage From Maui Fire Ground Zero That Shows Hawaii Police Officer SHUTTING DOWN A CITIZEN DONATION CENTER FOR VICTIMS OF THE FIRES 🚨

⚠️ The Officer Says (Not Knowing He is Being Recorded) THAT THE “POWERS THAT BE” ARE RESPONSIBLE ⚠️… pic.twitter.com/h90WAQle8d

— Matt Wallace (@MattWallace888) August 17, 2023

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Nothing to see here.... we are all conspiracy theorists.....

What the hell ?

And that damn police officer should NOT have carried out that order.

Will somebody please stand up and do what is right for once?

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Placard distribution is what the cop said. Which is basically a limited pass to certain spots for residents only. We have been shut down for entry after hurricanes before.

It doesn't sound like they shut down a donation center, as the tweet states. The Red Cross does a good enough job of that. **** them

https://www.mauicounty.gov/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=12698#:~:text=To%20expedite%20travel%20into%20West,West%20Maui%20Resort%20Personnel

C@LAg said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Bird Poo said:

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Why don't they just use seawater to fight fires?

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Because they need huge pumps, huge pipelines and tons of maintenance to keep saltwater pipelines from corroding?

Or are you not thinking clearly here?

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seattle has three fireboats that it maintains to provide salt and (if needed) fresh water fire support - direct cannon and indirect hose support,.

as well as to greet cruise ships and whatnot.

no reason the island should not have had some as well.

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Basically every tug boat on earth has fire monitors and pretty sure the vast majority of supply boats and crew boats etc do as well. Every ship uses salt water for fire fighting as well, obviously.

annie88 said:

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This is not an answer, it is a deflection.

Reporter asks Biden's FEMA administrator:

"We keep interviewing survivor after survivor who says that either they didn't see any government personnel or assistance for days, or that they still haven't. How do you explain the disconnect between what they're saying and what you're… pic.twitter.com/BdHfKqAaqU

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) August 16, 2023

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Joe Biden doesn't like Hawaiian people!

You can also just pump it from the ocean

TheEternalPessimist said:

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The ones who voted Democrat did. The 28% or so in Maui who voted GOP - they deserve better than this.

It's a lot harder to escape Hawaii than it is California. So I have a lot more sympathy for conservatives who are there.

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The pro-life party everyone. If you're a liberal, then who cares if you live!

There were multiple fires on the west side of the island. I can't tell if this was for the Lahaina are or the Kihei area for taro farms that were downwind of the fires.

As far as pump boats, how far can they throw water from the waters edge into a town? I don't think they would have made much of a difference past a block or two in from shore. The heat smoke and fire was billowing out to sea.

MouthBQ98 said:

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People who are leftists often have temperament and personality types that make them very bad at assessing and weighing risks, and very bad at administration in general.

They get into their roles by expressing care and the right dogmatic intentions but they suck at actually doing good with the available resources.

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AgBQ-00 said:

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The governor was talking about the state taking over the land that was destroyed. They may not let people rebuild.

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Forcible taking of land. I'm sure that will hold up in a Hawaii court, unfortunately.

Then that land will be sold to some corps under cover of darkness in the near future.

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This is not an answer, it is a deflection.

Reporter asks Biden's FEMA administrator:

"We keep interviewing survivor after survivor who says that either they didn't see any government personnel or assistance for days, or that they still haven't. How do you explain the disconnect between what they're saying and what you're… pic.twitter.com/BdHfKqAaqU

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) August 16, 2023

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Remember when FEMA wasn't immediately on site with 100% infrastructure in place and ready to eliminate any and all inconvenience and suffering instantly after Katrina hit, and the war cry from the left was how Bush hated black people?

Guess Biden hates Hawaii'ans, huh?

10thYrSr said:

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encinoag said:

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10thYrSr said:

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It's an island. Fire can be put out by sea water.

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Winds were gusting over 60 mph. How easy do you think it would be to fly an aircraft and scoop up sea water to douse the flames? Just asking.

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How easy would it be to let the island be deprived of precious drinking water to fight these fires? It's not like fresh water is easy to find on the island. There aren't huge stores of fresh water just laying around on the island.

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So, you have a choice to make here:

1. Don't use water and burn to death, while everythign burns around you. Because water is precious - more precious than life and property. I mean, you really need that water when you are dead, right?

2. Actually use water to fight fire (to the extent you can) and save lives and property, but you may be thirsty for a day or two until supplies and resources can be brought in until normal operations can be resumed.

You honestly think Option 1 is the correct option?

encinoag said:

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Bird Poo said:

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C@LAg said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Bird Poo said:

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Why don't they just use seawater to fight fires?

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Because they need huge pumps, huge pipelines and tons of maintenance to keep saltwater pipelines from corroding?

Or are you not thinking clearly here?

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seattle has three fireboats that it maintains to provide salt and (if needed) fresh water fire support - direct cannon and indirect hose support,.

as well as to greet cruise ships and whatnot.

no reason the island should not have had some as well.

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^Stop thinking clearly.

Emergency systems do not necessarily need to be constantly exposed to seawater. Especially the mobile ones.

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Not at all thinking clearly. Best they could do with ships is sit in the harbor and shoot water that would just be wind whipped back at themselves

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That's not the best they could do, but keep trying.

Not surprised. Libs are dumb, but those from Hawaii are weapons grade dumb.

Ever listen to Mazie Hirono? She's like a 75 year old 3rd grader.

Sucks for the conservatives who live there.

Love Gun said:

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Helicopters can drop sea water with fire buckets.

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In the defense of this - with wind gusts up around 60mph, you really don't want helos flying around with a few thousand pounds of water dangling from a rope making an already unstable platform that much more unstable.

100% the local, state, and federal officials there absolutely screwed the pooch and are 100% responsible for most of the deaths and probably all of the property damage. But weather, geography and time do play a role. And all were against firefighting capabilities for the most part, especially early on in the fire.

Plenty could have and should have been done, but across the board it would have been an uphill battle (literally I suppose) from the start due to weather conditions.

These are the kinds of decisions that are made when everything in life is viewed through the lens of "cultural sensitivity."

"We love our land so much we can't release water to fight a fire."

I don't think there were many choices due to the wind but it seems like literally nothing was done to do anything about the fires.

Worse was it did not seem like the government did much to help get people out of the water. They knew people were there to get out of the way of the fire and one of the largest US Navy bases is close by. I don't know why they did not get some ships headed in that direction, worst case they get turned back and their sailors get some training hours logged.

As far as using boats for fire suppression - those that think it wouldn't ahve done any good because the cannons on the boats can only shoot water so far do realize that there are things called "hoses", correct?

I don't think anybody is arguing that a pump boat in the harbor would have been able to douse the area with water and save the town or anything stupid like that. But it is highly likely that at least the parts of the town near the waterfront, and many people, could have been saved with basic equipment - had it been available in time to be utilized.

Just like a fire truck doesn't magically have to be right next to the fire to put it out and instead the fire fighters implement the use of pumps and hoses. Not a hard concept.

This is all theoretical, without a doubt. Maybe nothing could have been done. But you know what? I'd rather see an effort made to stop the fire and save lives even if the end result is the same versus just shrugging your shoulders and saying "water is super duper important and we cant use it!" and watching everything simply burn until there isn't anything left to burn. But that's me.

10thYrSr said:

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All of these responses, but nobody has justified using freshwater supplies to combat fire on the island. It just isn't done. Regarding the OP, this is understandable.

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Save some fresh water or prevent 100 deaths and billions of dollars in damage.

Does this really need to be debated?

The good news is that without the 100 or so lives and all of the properties destroyed, fresh water usage will now decrease on the island.

Every politician who played a part in this decision should be jailed for life. But because they're dems in a blue state it won't happen and they'll be no demand for it outside some conservative media sites.

Looks like that nice 1000 acre master-planned community Oprah owns didn't get touched...

She is about to own a lot more now....

schmellba99 said:

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annie88 said:

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This is not an answer, it is a deflection.

Reporter asks Biden's FEMA administrator:

"We keep interviewing survivor after survivor who says that either they didn't see any government personnel or assistance for days, or that they still haven't. How do you explain the disconnect between what they're saying and what you're… pic.twitter.com/BdHfKqAaqU

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) August 16, 2023

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Remember when FEMA wasn't immediately on site with 100% infrastructure in place and ready to eliminate any and all inconvenience and suffering instantly after Katrina hit, and the war cry from the left was how Bush hated black people?

Guess Biden hates Hawaii'ans, huh?

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He will until he figures out how to get his 10% from them.

10thYrSr said:

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encinoag said:

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10thYrSr said:

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It's an island. Fire can be put out by sea water.

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Winds were gusting over 60 mph. How easy do you think it would be to fly an aircraft and scoop up sea water to douse the flames? Just asking.

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How easy would it be to let the island be deprived of precious drinking water to fight these fires? It's not like fresh water is easy to find on the island. There aren't huge stores of fresh water just laying around on the island.

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It rains 300 inches a year on Maui. It's the wettest place on earth.

I wonder what the traditional punishment for incompetent leadership was in Hawaiian culture?

Without looking it up, I think it might be a great way to handle it.

Russell Bradleys Toupee said:

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10thYrSr said:

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encinoag said:

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10thYrSr said:

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It's an island. Fire can be put out by sea water.

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Winds were gusting over 60 mph. How easy do you think it would be to fly an aircraft and scoop up sea water to douse the flames? Just asking.

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How easy would it be to let the island be deprived of precious drinking water to fight these fires? It's not like fresh water is easy to find on the island. There aren't huge stores of fresh water just laying around on the island.

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It rains 300 inches a year on Maui. It's the wettest place on earth.

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Maybe in the rain forests on the eastern part of the island. West Maui is quite dry. Average annual rainfall in Lahaina is about 11 inches.

Russell Bradleys Toupee said:

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10thYrSr said:

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encinoag said:

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10thYrSr said:

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It's an island. Fire can be put out by sea water.

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Winds were gusting over 60 mph. How easy do you think it would be to fly an aircraft and scoop up sea water to douse the flames? Just asking.

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How easy would it be to let the island be deprived of precious drinking water to fight these fires? It's not like fresh water is easy to find on the island. There aren't huge stores of fresh water just laying around on the island.

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It rains 300 inches a year on Maui. It's the wettest place on earth.

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Not when you have leftists in charge.
It is a desert island for sale, damn the citizens.

C@LAg said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Bird Poo said:

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Why don't they just use seawater to fight fires?

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Because they need huge pumps, huge pipelines and tons of maintenance to keep saltwater pipelines from corroding?

Or are you not thinking clearly here?

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seattle has three fireboats that it maintains to provide salt and (if needed) fresh water fire support - direct cannon and indirect hose support,.

as well as to greet cruise ships and whatnot.

no reason the island should not have had some as well.

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If the city of SEATTLE is smarter than you, you're DUMB!

There’s a dark but hard TRUTH to the Maui catastrophe that has led to over 110 tragic deaths. As wildfires raged, desperate residents petitioned state officials to send more water for firefighting & to help protect their properties from fire. That request went unanswered for…

— Vivek Ramaswamy (@VivekGRamaswamy) August 17, 2023

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There's a dark but hard TRUTH to the Maui catastrophe that has led to over 110 tragic deaths. As wildfires raged, desperate residents petitioned state officials to send more water for firefighting & to help protect their properties from fire. That request went unanswered for hours, withholding critical aid to islanders. Now we're learning that the official who delayed the approval is an Obama Foundation "Asia Pacific Leader" & a climate activist who believes water should be "revered" first and foremost. The DEI agenda is literally costing people their lives. Hawaii's Democrat governor, Josh Green, says there are people "fighting against the release of water to fight fires" & that it needs to be explored further. The No. 1 responsibility of government is to protect its citizens. The victims and their families deserve the TRUTH.

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MouthBQ98 said:

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People who are leftists often have temperament and personality types that make them very bad at assessing and weighing risks, and very bad at administration in general.

They get into their roles by expressing care and the right dogmatic intentions but they suck at actually doing good with the available resources.

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So... it was deserved. RIP to the dead. However, there are consequences for voting dim. Clearly.

TheEternalPessimist said:

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annie88 said:

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If true…I'm going to guess that this was made before the fires but if this is fact, then he needs to be criminally charged.

What a whack job. Let me guess, he's a Democrat.

Hawaiian official M. Kaleo Manuel refused to release water in Maui as the fire raged

Manuel is deputy director of the Department of Land and Natural Resources

Here he is explaining that water should be revered, not used:pic.twitter.com/iZ6PvghwqN

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) August 16, 2023

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This man should be charged with negligent homicide.

But watch.... he will be treated (D)ifferently.

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My guess is that this numbnuts house was not on fire.

doubledog said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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annie88 said:

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If true…I'm going to guess that this was made before the fires but if this is fact, then he needs to be criminally charged.

What a whack job. Let me guess, he's a Democrat.

Hawaiian official M. Kaleo Manuel refused to release water in Maui as the fire raged

Manuel is deputy director of the Department of Land and Natural Resources

Here he is explaining that water should be revered, not used:pic.twitter.com/iZ6PvghwqN

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) August 16, 2023

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This man should be charged with negligent homicide.

But watch.... he will be treated (D)ifferently.

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My guess is that this numbnuts house was not on fire.

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There's a dark but hard TRUTH to the Maui catastrophe that has led to over 110 tragic deaths. As wildfires raged, desperate residents petitioned state officials to send more water for firefighting & to help protect their properties from fire. That request went unanswered for hours, withholding critical aid to islanders. Now we're learning that the official who delayed the approval is an Obama Foundation "Asia Pacific Leader" & a climate activist who believes water should be "revered" first and foremost. The DEI agenda is literally costing people their lives. Hawaii's Democrat governor, Josh Green, says there are people "fighting against the release of water to fight fires" & that it needs to be explored further. The No. 1 responsibility of government is to protect its citizens. The victims and their families deserve the TRUTH.

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My guess is that Barack Hussein cares not about his "home state" and it's land - especially when he can end up giving his girl, Oprah, the reach around by acquiring more land for herself out of this whole ordeal.