well I guess this shot holes in that story.
How many are doing that? I mostly see people trying to understand what actually went on.rucker said:
You're correct they looked out for THEIR finances, not Ohers who they wouldn't even have a "story" to sell if it weren't for him. I'm amazed so many on here are jumping to calling Oher an ungrateful colin kaepernick type because he was wronged by these "Christians"
Zarathustra said:ABATTBQ11 said:LarryElder said:Ron beats Don said:
It's no secret. The Tuohys and Freeze used Oher to enrich themselves. Freeze got on staff at ol piss and and the Tuohys got a top recruit at their alma mater and paid handsomely at the same time.
They didn't adopt him out of the good of their heart. They saw the potential and everybody enriched themselves of Oher (including Oher himself). If they screwed him out of money, they will have to deal with that.
Freeze has always been a carny and supposedly so have Tuohys.
Sounds like everyone won ? What was Ohers best outcome of he never met the tuohys? Certainly not an nfl career or fame
Rationalizing theft
Theft is a legal term. If what they did was legal, then you can argue ethics, but then you end back to the fact that he benefited immensely as well.
Aggie_Boomin 21 said:rgag12 said:Definitely Not A Cop said:Psycho Bunny said:Went 23rd in the first round. Signed a five-year, $13.8 million contract with the Baltimore Ravens.aggiehawg said:Wan't he a first round draft pick? He got paid by the NFL, right? And paid well?AnScAggie said:
I may be way off base here, but I think someone is pissing in his ear telling him to pursue this. I really don't believe the family had sinister motives when they took him in.
On March 14, 2014, Oher signed a four-year, $20 million contract with the Titians.
On March 6, 2015, Oher signed a two-year, $7 million contract with the Panthers
Dude waited till 2023, 14 years after the movie came out to file a lawsuit. He's after money, because he spent all his on chains, cars and other crap that amounted to nothing.
According to Google, he's currently worth 16 mil. So not really.
According to the article though, he is suing not only to end the conservatorship, but for his "fair share", and for punitive damages.
If all he had asked for was to end the conservatorship and for the family to stop using his name and likeness then I think everybody wouldn't be asking questions.
However, also in the article, it says he only decided to sue after he found out he legally isn't part of the Tuohy family. That indicates to me that he was fine with the Tuohy family accumulating wealth under the conservatorship thinking no he'd recoup a lot of it when they kicked the bucket. When he found out he wasn't going to get that money though, he probably got pissed.
(And that's also assuming the Tuohys were going to cut him out of everything and only give money to their blood).
Oher wanting some of the money the Tuohys made from the story doesn't mean he's broke. I'm not sure if he's legally entitled to the money, or if the Tuohys actually made any, but if they did why shouldn't he want a cut? They ****ed him over in that regard if that's the case.
rgag12 said:Aggie_Boomin 21 said:rgag12 said:Definitely Not A Cop said:Psycho Bunny said:Went 23rd in the first round. Signed a five-year, $13.8 million contract with the Baltimore Ravens.aggiehawg said:Wan't he a first round draft pick? He got paid by the NFL, right? And paid well?AnScAggie said:
I may be way off base here, but I think someone is pissing in his ear telling him to pursue this. I really don't believe the family had sinister motives when they took him in.
On March 14, 2014, Oher signed a four-year, $20 million contract with the Titians.
On March 6, 2015, Oher signed a two-year, $7 million contract with the Panthers
Dude waited till 2023, 14 years after the movie came out to file a lawsuit. He's after money, because he spent all his on chains, cars and other crap that amounted to nothing.
According to Google, he's currently worth 16 mil. So not really.
According to the article though, he is suing not only to end the conservatorship, but for his "fair share", and for punitive damages.
If all he had asked for was to end the conservatorship and for the family to stop using his name and likeness then I think everybody wouldn't be asking questions.
However, also in the article, it says he only decided to sue after he found out he legally isn't part of the Tuohy family. That indicates to me that he was fine with the Tuohy family accumulating wealth under the conservatorship thinking no he'd recoup a lot of it when they kicked the bucket. When he found out he wasn't going to get that money though, he probably got pissed.
(And that's also assuming the Tuohys were going to cut him out of everything and only give money to their blood).
Oher wanting some of the money the Tuohys made from the story doesn't mean he's broke. I'm not sure if he's legally entitled to the money, or if the Tuohys actually made any, but if they did why shouldn't he want a cut? They ****ed him over in that regard if that's the case.
When you sign a conservatorship, you are legally signing away control of the money. Again we don't know a lot here, but legally he isn't entitled to a cent under conservatorship. He seemingly was fine with the arrangement well into adulthood.
rgag12 said:Aggie_Boomin 21 said:rgag12 said:Definitely Not A Cop said:Psycho Bunny said:Went 23rd in the first round. Signed a five-year, $13.8 million contract with the Baltimore Ravens.aggiehawg said:Wan't he a first round draft pick? He got paid by the NFL, right? And paid well?AnScAggie said:
I may be way off base here, but I think someone is pissing in his ear telling him to pursue this. I really don't believe the family had sinister motives when they took him in.
On March 14, 2014, Oher signed a four-year, $20 million contract with the Titians.
On March 6, 2015, Oher signed a two-year, $7 million contract with the Panthers
Dude waited till 2023, 14 years after the movie came out to file a lawsuit. He's after money, because he spent all his on chains, cars and other crap that amounted to nothing.
According to Google, he's currently worth 16 mil. So not really.
According to the article though, he is suing not only to end the conservatorship, but for his "fair share", and for punitive damages.
If all he had asked for was to end the conservatorship and for the family to stop using his name and likeness then I think everybody wouldn't be asking questions.
However, also in the article, it says he only decided to sue after he found out he legally isn't part of the Tuohy family. That indicates to me that he was fine with the Tuohy family accumulating wealth under the conservatorship thinking no he'd recoup a lot of it when they kicked the bucket. When he found out he wasn't going to get that money though, he probably got pissed.
(And that's also assuming the Tuohys were going to cut him out of everything and only give money to their blood).
Oher wanting some of the money the Tuohys made from the story doesn't mean he's broke. I'm not sure if he's legally entitled to the money, or if the Tuohys actually made any, but if they did why shouldn't he want a cut? They ****ed him over in that regard if that's the case.
When you sign a conservatorship, you are legally signing away control of the money. Again we don't know a lot here, but legally he isn't entitled to a cent under conservatorship. He seemingly was fine with the arrangement well into adulthood.
you are shocked by this? Non Christinas do this as wellrucker said:
You're correct they looked out for THEIR finances, not Ohers who they wouldn't even have a "story" to sell if it weren't for him. I'm amazed so many on here are jumping to calling Oher an ungrateful colin kaepernick type because he was wronged by these "Christians"
Well I am more familiar with conservatorships that have a guardian ad litem involved, meaning Oher would have separate counsel to sign off on it. Of course those are usually adversarial than by agreement.The Banned said:aggiehawg said:But why? Was he mentally unfit in some way? And how much was he really worth, while at Ole Miss?Quote:
I think he was legally an adult at the time of the adoption/conservatorship. They were allegedly deciding which way to go, but told him an adoption wouldn't really help since he was already an adult, but that the best route, at that point, would be to agree to a conservatorship.
Maybe if the conservatorship was more closely related in time to where he was going the NFL and earning the big bucks that would make more sense to me. But not when he was in college.
He was clearly on track for big time money. 5*. Several large scholarship offers. #2 recruit in his state.
As to unfit, wouldn't be hard to show a judge that a kid from a terrible background with no true guidance could be a financial harm to itself, would it?
You know far more law than I do, but I think one could find a judge to sign off on that.
Aggie_Boomin 21 said:
Why does the movie's budget matter at all.?
Aggie_Boomin 21 said:rgag12 said:Aggie_Boomin 21 said:rgag12 said:Definitely Not A Cop said:Psycho Bunny said:Went 23rd in the first round. Signed a five-year, $13.8 million contract with the Baltimore Ravens.aggiehawg said:Wan't he a first round draft pick? He got paid by the NFL, right? And paid well?AnScAggie said:
I may be way off base here, but I think someone is pissing in his ear telling him to pursue this. I really don't believe the family had sinister motives when they took him in.
On March 14, 2014, Oher signed a four-year, $20 million contract with the Titians.
On March 6, 2015, Oher signed a two-year, $7 million contract with the Panthers
Dude waited till 2023, 14 years after the movie came out to file a lawsuit. He's after money, because he spent all his on chains, cars and other crap that amounted to nothing.
According to Google, he's currently worth 16 mil. So not really.
According to the article though, he is suing not only to end the conservatorship, but for his "fair share", and for punitive damages.
If all he had asked for was to end the conservatorship and for the family to stop using his name and likeness then I think everybody wouldn't be asking questions.
However, also in the article, it says he only decided to sue after he found out he legally isn't part of the Tuohy family. That indicates to me that he was fine with the Tuohy family accumulating wealth under the conservatorship thinking no he'd recoup a lot of it when they kicked the bucket. When he found out he wasn't going to get that money though, he probably got pissed.
(And that's also assuming the Tuohys were going to cut him out of everything and only give money to their blood).
Oher wanting some of the money the Tuohys made from the story doesn't mean he's broke. I'm not sure if he's legally entitled to the money, or if the Tuohys actually made any, but if they did why shouldn't he want a cut? They ****ed him over in that regard if that's the case.
When you sign a conservatorship, you are legally signing away control of the money. Again we don't know a lot here, but legally he isn't entitled to a cent under conservatorship. He seemingly was fine with the arrangement well into adulthood.
The claim is he wasn't aware of the arrangement until recently.
Guess you don't understand how the percentage of "net proceeds" work in back end deals, do you?Aggie_Boomin 21 said:
Why does the movie's budget matter at all.?
annie88 said:
He made other allegations against them at least a decade ago.
This particular thing might be new, but they've been on the outs for years.
Definitely something shady.
Iowaggie said:
A lot of people on here are on the exact same side as the twitter mob, and I think that is usually the wrong side.
I think waiting for more information to come out is usually wise, but twitter mob doesn't buy into that.
Sean Tuohy did an interview with a local Memphis paper. (Summary of interview is in AL.com). My guess is the kickback from the "White Savior" complex combined with how Oher was portrayed in the movie has led to a lot of this.
In reading the Tuohy interview, I don't believe they made meaningful money off of Oher nor the movie. Nor do I believe the motivation for taking in Oher was selfishly driven to make sure he attended Ole Miss.
Some key points: Tuohys made their money in the fast food business, not on Oher. They were very well off before they took him in, and later Sean Tuohy sold his FF franchises for over $213 million (link from 2022).
The money from the movie was given to them by Michael Lewis, author of the Blind Side, who sold the rights for the movie to be made. It was split equally among Oher and the 4 Tuohy's. Total of about $70K, or about $14K each.
Regarding the conservatorship: It was a way to appease the NCAA during the days leading up to his college football decision. As a supporter of Ole Miss athletics, Tuohy would qualify as a "booster" under NCAA rules.
"Michael was obviously living with us for a long time, and the NCAA didn't like that," Tuohy said. "They said the only way Michael could go to Ole Miss was if he was actually part of the family. I sat Michael down and told him, 'If you're planning to go to Ole Miss or even considering Ole Miss we think you have to be part of the family. This would do that, legally.' We contacted lawyers who had told us that we couldn't adopt over the age of 18. The only thing we could do was to have a conservatorship. We were so concerned it was on the up-and-up that we made sure the biological mother came to court."
It would be one thing if Tuohy was part of this great recruiting pipeline from Memphis to Ole Miss, but he wasn't.
As a dad, there is no way I would take in a kid who had been moved around to multiple schools, with kids in the house, just to make sure that 1 kid went to my alma mater. I just don't think that was the family's motivation.
Maybe there will be a lot more information come out, but it does seem like a sad ending to a pretty inspirational story.
Iowaggie said:
We'll see how true that side is.
aggiehawg said:Guess you don't understand how the percentage of "net proceeds" work in back end deals, do you?Aggie_Boomin 21 said:
Why does the movie's budget matter at all.?
There was a pretty famous case about James Garner and the TV show, The Rockford Files when that TV show never ever showed a net profit even after it went into syndication, have you?
Books get cooked in Hollywood all of the time. "Net" is a flexible accounting term.
Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:Aggie_Boomin 21 said:rgag12 said:Aggie_Boomin 21 said:rgag12 said:Definitely Not A Cop said:Psycho Bunny said:Went 23rd in the first round. Signed a five-year, $13.8 million contract with the Baltimore Ravens.aggiehawg said:Wan't he a first round draft pick? He got paid by the NFL, right? And paid well?AnScAggie said:
I may be way off base here, but I think someone is pissing in his ear telling him to pursue this. I really don't believe the family had sinister motives when they took him in.
On March 14, 2014, Oher signed a four-year, $20 million contract with the Titians.
On March 6, 2015, Oher signed a two-year, $7 million contract with the Panthers
Dude waited till 2023, 14 years after the movie came out to file a lawsuit. He's after money, because he spent all his on chains, cars and other crap that amounted to nothing.
According to Google, he's currently worth 16 mil. So not really.
According to the article though, he is suing not only to end the conservatorship, but for his "fair share", and for punitive damages.
If all he had asked for was to end the conservatorship and for the family to stop using his name and likeness then I think everybody wouldn't be asking questions.
However, also in the article, it says he only decided to sue after he found out he legally isn't part of the Tuohy family. That indicates to me that he was fine with the Tuohy family accumulating wealth under the conservatorship thinking no he'd recoup a lot of it when they kicked the bucket. When he found out he wasn't going to get that money though, he probably got pissed.
(And that's also assuming the Tuohys were going to cut him out of everything and only give money to their blood).
Oher wanting some of the money the Tuohys made from the story doesn't mean he's broke. I'm not sure if he's legally entitled to the money, or if the Tuohys actually made any, but if they did why shouldn't he want a cut? They ****ed him over in that regard if that's the case.
When you sign a conservatorship, you are legally signing away control of the money. Again we don't know a lot here, but legally he isn't entitled to a cent under conservatorship. He seemingly was fine with the arrangement well into adulthood.
The claim is he wasn't aware of the arrangement until recently.
Great insight here.
Iowaggie said:
A lot of people on here are on the exact same side as the twitter mob, and I think that is usually the wrong side.
I think waiting for more information to come out is usually wise, but twitter mob doesn't buy into that.
Sean Tuohy did an interview with a local Memphis paper. (Summary of interview is in AL.com). My guess is the kickback from the "White Savior" complex combined with how Oher was portrayed in the movie has led to a lot of this.
In reading the Tuohy interview, I don't believe they made meaningful money off of Oher nor the movie. Nor do I believe the motivation for taking in Oher was selfishly driven to make sure he attended Ole Miss.
Some key points: Tuohys made their money in the fast food business, not on Oher. They were very well off before they took him in, and later Sean Tuohy sold his FF franchises for over $213 million (link from 2022).
The money from the movie was given to them by Michael Lewis, author of the Blind Side, who sold the rights for the movie to be made. It was split equally among Oher and the 4 Tuohy's. Total of about $70K, or about $14K each.
Regarding the conservatorship: It was a way to appease the NCAA during the days leading up to his college football decision. As a supporter of Ole Miss athletics, Tuohy would qualify as a "booster" under NCAA rules.
"Michael was obviously living with us for a long time, and the NCAA didn't like that," Tuohy said. "They said the only way Michael could go to Ole Miss was if he was actually part of the family. I sat Michael down and told him, 'If you're planning to go to Ole Miss or even considering Ole Miss we think you have to be part of the family. This would do that, legally.' We contacted lawyers who had told us that we couldn't adopt over the age of 18. The only thing we could do was to have a conservatorship. We were so concerned it was on the up-and-up that we made sure the biological mother came to court."
It would be one thing if Tuohy was part of this great recruiting pipeline from Memphis to Ole Miss, but he wasn't.
As a dad, there is no way I would take in a kid who had been moved around to multiple schools, with kids in the house, just to make sure that 1 kid went to my alma mater. I just don't think that was the family's motivation.
Maybe there will be a lot more information come out, but it does seem like a sad ending to a pretty inspirational story.
BBRex said:
Mississippi allows for adult adoption now, so when did the law change?
if is this the case why didn't he do or say anything when the movie first come out, what 10, 13 years ago. No he probably got pissed off at them recently or took in to much libtard media. This is BS.BassCowboy33 said:LarryElder said:
Think the proof of him voluntarily living in their house and all the pictures like above make this case seem silly.
Also, where was his real family if he was "tricked" some people are just awful
Honestly, it just makes it more depressing. Dude thought he had a family, and they were secretly bilking money from his name.
FrioAg 00 said:
IMO these folks saw a giant, athletic kid who they figured they could push towards Ole Miss. It's not hard to identify an elite D1 OT at 16 years old.
I also think Oher didn't mind living in a nice house, getting clothes bought for him, eating great food, etc.
It was always an arrangement that both side felt they benefited from.
I do think the wife played up their "Disney Story" relationship and milked it into the book, the movie and eventually speaking engagements.
And because that close relationship really wasn't there - it pissed Oher off, even when he was making about $40m playing football. But half of that goes to taxes, agent fees, etc, and I wonder just how much of the $20m he blew through. For whatever reason he's looking over at a few hundred thousand they made overselling that story and he's decided he was screwed out of it.
Honestly, I don't know that it's a real good look for any of them involved.
ttu_85 said:if is this the case why didn't he do or say anything when the movie first come out, what 10, 13 years ago. No he probably got pissed off at them recently or took in to much libtard media. This is BS.BassCowboy33 said:LarryElder said:
Think the proof of him voluntarily living in their house and all the pictures like above make this case seem silly.
Also, where was his real family if he was "tricked" some people are just awful
Honestly, it just makes it more depressing. Dude thought he had a family, and they were secretly bilking money from his name.
Think with your head and not solely with your heart.
BBRex said:
Mississippi allows for adult adoption now, so when did the law change?