"And Trump isn't conservative; he is a populist who will do whatever he thinks is most advantageous for himself at that moment."

No truer words have been spoken. Had he ran (and won) as a Democrat, the party his pre-presidential views were more aligned with, he would be doing everything to fire up that base and sticking his finger in the eyes of conservatives.

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Trump is the best vehicle right now because he has an established track record. How many "conservatives" have gotten into office and immediately bent over and grabbed their ankles for the special interests and the Beltway crowd? Dubya immediately comes to mind.

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His entire "track record" was based on executive orders which Biden undid in rapid succession.

And Trump isn't conservative; he is a populist who will do whatever he thinks is most advantageous for himself at that moment.

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It was advantageous to go after the FBI, so now he's facing BS criminal charges?
It was advantageous to go afer the establishment, so they impeached him for BS reasons twice?
It was advantageous to go after the media, so they still harrass him 24/7 and he's not in office?

His run as president was so advantageous, he left with less money thatn he started, yet is making another run at it?

I think you need to ask someone without severe TDS what the term advantageous actually means.

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Trump is the best vehicle right now because he has an established track record. How many "conservatives" have gotten into office and immediately bent over and grabbed their ankles for the special interests and the Beltway crowd? Dubya immediately comes to mind.

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His entire "track record" was based on executive orders which Biden undid in rapid succession.

And Trump isn't conservative; he is a populist who will do whatever he thinks is most advantageous for himself at that moment.

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It was advantageous to go after the FBI, so now he's facing BS criminal charges?
It was advantageous to go afer the establishment, so they impeached him for BS reasons twice?
It was advantageous to go after the media, so they still harrass him 24/7 and he's not in office?

His run as president was so advantageous, he left with less money thatn he started, yet is making another run at it?

I think you need to ask someone without severe TDS what the term advantageous actually means.

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Some people throw "TDS" around like leftists throw around the word "racism". You've turned that phrase into just meaning "doesn't worship Trump".

No, more like actively seeks to destroy him.

Trump has always let his emotions get the better of him. So when he thinks a person or entity has wronged him in some way, he lets his emotions, rather than common sense guide his decision making process.

Your example of the media is a classic example. As president, especially a Republican president, the media is going to criticize you. It's a fact of life. Instead of blowing it off, he took it personal, and launched an assault on them. He enjoyed it………..it wasn't an attempt to cure the rot in our media……..it was Trump doing what he liked to do. So yes……it was all about himself.

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Had he ran (and won) as a Democrat, the party his pre-presidential views were more aligned with

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LOL,
Yea, his view on defunding planned parenthood was a cornerstone of the Democrat party.
His views on border security were also what the Democrat party was all about
The SC justices he said he'd put in if he were elected were very much supported by the Democrat party
Giving back tax money to Americans is also a huge part of the Democrat platform.
Energy independence is something the Democrats push for 100% of the time.

Wow. I thought these were considered conservative, not Democrat. Thanks for pointing out the error in my thinking.

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No, more like actively seeks to destroy him.

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If seeing Trump as a human being with strengths and weaknesses, and analyzing those weaknesses to be more than his strengths when it comes to being a president is "actively seeking to destroy him", then yes, "TDS" means "doesn't worship Trump"

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Trump has always let his emotions get the better of him. So when he thinks a person or entity has wronged him in some way, he lets his emotions, rather than common sense guide his decision making process.

Your example of the media is a classic example. As president, especially a Republican president, the media is going to criticize you. It's a fact of life. Instead of blowing it off, he took it personal, and launched an assault on them. He enjoyed it………..it wasn't an attempt to cure the rot in our media……..it was Trump doing what he liked to do. So yes……it was all about himself.

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Criticizing ou is one thing. An all-out assault is another.

George Bush sat back and took it. Is that what you want? McCain? Romney? LMAO. Blow it off. Yea, that worked great.

Trump fought back from the beginning and won. He convinced the American people that "fake news" didn't mean false narratives from the right. He convinced them "fake news" meant lise from the left. Kept hammering that home. He didn't bow to the media to try to get them to play nice.

Opposite of Romney, McCain and Bush. Which is why the left fears him so much. He effectively got HIS narrative out, despite the media's constant lies.

"Yea, his view on defunding planned parenthood was a cornerstone of the Democrat party.
His views on border security were also what the Democrat party was all about
The SC justices he said he'd put in if he were elected were very much supported by the Democrat party
Giving back tax money to Americans is also a huge part of the Democrat platform.
Energy independence is something the Democrats push for 100% of the time."

I said pre-presidential views, right? Did you see that?

He was pro abortion before he ran for office. He was pro-unfettered immigration before he ran for office. To this day he still believes single payer socialized medicine is the way to go. He clearly believes in tariff wars. And in an interview before he ran for office he said, "I usually vote democrat because the economy tends to run better under democratic presidents."

Nice try, but Trump himself said in that interview he was more aligned with the Democratic Party than Republican.

Edit: That was a 2004 interview with Wolf Blitzer.

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No, more like actively seeks to destroy him.

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If seeing Trump as a human being with strengths and weaknesses, and analyzing those weaknesses to be more than his strengths when it comes to being a president is "actively seeking to destroy him", then yes, "TDS" means "doesn't worship Trump"

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Remember, a god king is infallible.

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Trump has always let his emotions get the better of him. So when he thinks a person or entity has wronged him in some way, he lets his emotions, rather than common sense guide his decision making process.

Your example of the media is a classic example. As president, especially a Republican president, the media is going to criticize you. It's a fact of life. Instead of blowing it off, he took it personal, and launched an assault on them. He enjoyed it………..it wasn't an attempt to cure the rot in our media……..it was Trump doing what he liked to do. So yes……it was all about himself.

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Criticizing ou is one thing. An all-out assault is another.

George Bush sat back and took it. Is that what you want? McCain? Romney? LMAO. Blow it off. Yea, that worked great.

Trump fought back from the beginning and won. He convinced the American people that "fake news" didn't mean false narratives from the right. He convinced them "fake news" meant lise from the left. Kept hammering that home. He didn't bow to the media to try to get them to play nice.

Opposite of Romney, McCain and Bush. Which is why the left fears him so much. He effectively got HIS narrative out, despite the media's constant lies.

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He convinced his base. Yes, he was really good at convincing those who already supported him. He sucked at convincing anyone else.

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No, more like actively seeks to destroy him.

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If seeing Trump as a human being with strengths and weaknesses, and analyzing those weaknesses to be more than his strengths when it comes to being a president is "actively seeking to destroy him", then yes, "TDS" means "doesn't worship Trump"

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You spend your days using childish insults against those that support him, while also attacking him just as anyone on the left would do. Those are facts. You have not once shown an awareness in your analysis that shows you understand the propaganda used against him. T. D.S.

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I said pre-presidential views, right? Did you see that?

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Yea, I saw that. I didn't take that to mean decades ago. Here is what he said in 1999.

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"I hate the concept of abortion," Trump clarified, "I hate everything it stands for, I cringe when I listen to people debating the subject. But you still I just believe in choice ... I am strongly for choice and yet I hate the concept of abortion."

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1999?? LOL.

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No, more like actively seeks to destroy him.

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If seeing Trump as a human being with strengths and weaknesses, and analyzing those weaknesses to be more than his strengths when it comes to being a president is "actively seeking to destroy him", then yes, "TDS" means "doesn't worship Trump"

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You spend your days using childish insults against those that support him, while also attacking him just as anyone on the left would do. Those are facts. You have not once shown an awareness in your analysis that shows you understand the propaganda used against him. T. D.S.

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Exhibit A.

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No, more like actively seeks to destroy him.

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If seeing Trump as a human being with strengths and weaknesses, and analyzing those weaknesses to be more than his strengths when it comes to being a president is "actively seeking to destroy him", then yes, "TDS" means "doesn't worship Trump"

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You spend your days using childish insults against those that support him, while also attacking him just as anyone on the left would do. Those are facts. You have not once shown an awareness in your analysis that shows you understand the propaganda used against him. T. D.S.

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Perhaps he learned this from Trump, who does the same to his GOP colleagues...

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He fights and wins.
You cannot change policies if you don't do both.

This is why evangelicals support him.

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He is in the situation he is in now literally because he has lost more than he has won.

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And strangely is miles ahead of his competition.

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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No, more like actively seeks to destroy him.

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If seeing Trump as a human being with strengths and weaknesses, and analyzing those weaknesses to be more than his strengths when it comes to being a president is "actively seeking to destroy him", then yes, "TDS" means "doesn't worship Trump"

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You spend your days using childish insults against those that support him, while also attacking him just as anyone on the left would do. Those are facts. You have not once shown an awareness in your analysis that shows you understand the propaganda used against him. T. D.S.

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Perhaps he learned this from Trump, who does the same to his GOP colleagues...

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So, he uses Trump's strategy, but condemns it?

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He fights and wins.
You cannot change policies if you don't do both.

This is why evangelicals support him.

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He is in the situation he is in now literally because he has lost more than he has won.

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And strangely is miles ahead of his competition.

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That's obviously biased to get Trump to win the nomination. Like everything else.

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I'll hang up and listen.

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He's not.

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No, more like actively seeks to destroy him.

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If seeing Trump as a human being with strengths and weaknesses, and analyzing those weaknesses to be more than his strengths when it comes to being a president is "actively seeking to destroy him", then yes, "TDS" means "doesn't worship Trump"

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You spend your days using childish insults against those that support him, while also attacking him just as anyone on the left would do. Those are facts. You have not once shown an awareness in your analysis that shows you understand the propaganda used against him. T. D.S.

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I've called Larry a troll, cause that's pretty much all he does. I have used the "c" word, which there are posters here that think Trump has been more persecuted than Jesus, so I think in some circles it fits. Other than that, I just see some legit discussion of who should be the leader of the free world, and at this point I don't see it as just a choice of either Trump or Biden. Both of those choices are not good enough.

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He fights and wins.
You cannot change policies if you don't do both.

This is why evangelicals support him.

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He is in the situation he is in now literally because he has lost more than he has won.

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And strangely is miles ahead of his competition.

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Cool. Now do the general. Oh wait, we don't need a poll because he lost to a vegetable in 2020 already and has done zero to win over the majority of the country that hates him.

Now if you would just understand that conservatism is only going to get to the white house via the Republican party, and allowing the left to control that narrative only fractures the party and drives out independents. You and others supporting DeSantis is great, but attempting to destroy Trump supporters is counterproductive to getting conservatism installed. DeSantis can't win anything without Trump voters, that's fact.

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I'll hang up and listen.

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So what did you think about Trump's time in office 2017-2019?

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Last I looked at my Civics Book-

a President serves FOUR years, not just THREE.

I wonder why Trump fans consistently leave out 2020- as if that never occurred when TRUMP WAS THE ACTUAL PRESIDENT.

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I'll hang up and listen.

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He's not.

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Who has been a more effective communicator to the American people for the following:
1. Lower taxes
2. Strong overseas
3. Energy Independence
4. Tight border control
5. Defunding planned parenthood
6. Judges that overturn Roe vs Wade

Just curious.

DeSantis? Who so far hasn't even been able to communicate to the GOP base?

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I'll hang up and listen.

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So what did you think about Trump's time in office 2017-2019?

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Last I looked at my Civics Book-

a President serves FOUR years, not just THREE.

I wonder why Trump fans consistently leave out 2020- as if that never occurred when TRUMP WAS THE ACTUAL PRESIDENT.

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We don't. in 2020, he won a second term in a landslide, but between Dominion and mules, he lost a close one.

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Now if you would just understand that conservatism is only going to get to the white house via the Republican party, and allowing the left to control that narrative only fractures the party and drives out independents. You and others supporting DeSantis is great, but attempting to destroy Trump supporters is counterproductive to getting conservatism installed. DeSantis can't win anything without Trump voters, that's fact.

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Trumpism is a phenomenon that needs to be exorcised from the Republican Party. You have a lot of people that are loyal to Trump the man vs conservatism. He is a very flawed person and pledging loyalty and love to him is weird at best and insane at worst.

He makes very poor choices in who he associates with at this point. He spent all yesterday with Loomer who claims "she loves Trump more than anything" and is currently telling her fans that Casey DeSantis faked her cancer.

In 2016, he surrounded himself with fairly normal advisors. That helped him make good Supreme Court picks and good tax legislation. His inner circle now is fully unhinged. Roger Stone, Loomer, Lindell, MTG. 10 years ago, those people would have been mocked mercilessly here. Now they are "badass".

There is no future for "conservative candidates" if the left never feels pain for fighting dirty. The best conservative argument for Trump is as a bull in the chi-na shop to teach the left that they don't dictate the outcomes and that there are consequences for going too far.

That's it. A ***** slap. A spanking. An F You. Call it what you want - but the left no longer respects paper-tiger conservatism. They must be made to feel pain to restore balance & civility.

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There is no future for "conservative candidates" if the left never feels pain for fighting dirty. The best conservative argument for Trump is as a bull in the chi-na shop to teach the left that they don't dictate the outcomes and that there are consequences for going too far.

That's it. A ***** slap. A spanking. An F You. Call it what you want - but the left no longer respects paper-tiger conservatism. They must be made to feel pain to restore balance & civility.

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Trump is not an effective bull in a China shop. He was checkmated over and over by the media and Dems over the past several years. He played right into their hands. If anything, his "bull in the China shop" act has been as damaging to conservatives as it has democrats.

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There is no future for "conservative candidates" if the left never feels pain for fighting dirty. The best conservative argument for Trump is as a bull in the chi-na shop to teach the left that they don't dictate the outcomes and that there are consequences for going too far.

That's it. A ***** slap. A spanking. An F You. Call it what you want - but the left no longer respects paper-tiger conservatism. They must be made to feel pain to restore balance & civility.

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Trump is not an effective bull in a China shop. He was checkmated over and over by the media and Dems over the past several years. He played right into their hands. If anything, his "bull in the China shop" act has been as damaging to conservatives as it has democrats.

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I don't agree with you on much, but this isn't invalid. But most of Trump's "conservative failure" was due to congressional republicans failing to push conservative bills. The Dems know how to use a vegetable in chief: have bills pre-written and slam them through.

The basic power struggle is incredible simple, though: do we allow the left to dictate our candidates or not. It's truly that simple. The left has ramped up their tar machine against the most milquetoast candidates imaginable. And destroying that machine is priority #1 in being able to get good candidates back into office.

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Now if you would just understand that conservatism is only going to get to the white house via the Republican party, and allowing the left to control that narrative only fractures the party and drives out independents. You and others supporting DeSantis is great, but attempting to destroy Trump supporters is counterproductive to getting conservatism installed. DeSantis can't win anything without Trump voters, that's fact.

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No one is trying to destroy Trump supporters. If you take criticism of Trump personally, I can't help that. That is a you thing, and it should be a warning sign that you are attached too much to a personality instead of an ideology.

So no one who opposes Trump returned their tax refund!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Next, how many antiTrump car users enjoy the $3 dollar gas compared to the $1.86 under Trump!

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There is no future for "conservative candidates" if the left never feels pain for fighting dirty. The best conservative argument for Trump is as a bull in the chi-na shop to teach the left that they don't dictate the outcomes and that there are consequences for going too far.

That's it. A ***** slap. A spanking. An F You. Call it what you want - but the left no longer respects paper-tiger conservatism. They must be made to feel pain to restore balance & civility.

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Trump is not an effective bull in a China shop. He was checkmated over and over by the media and Dems over the past several years. He played right into their hands. If anything, his "bull in the China shop" act has been as damaging to conservatives as it has democrats.

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I don't agree with you on much, but this isn't invalid. But most of Trump's "conservative failure" was due to congressional republicans failing to push conservative bills. The Dems know how to use a vegetable in chief: have bills pre-written and slam them through.

The basic power struggle is incredible simple, though: do we allow the left to dictate our candidates or not. It's truly that simple. The left has ramped up their tar machine against the most milquetoast candidates imaginable. And destroying that machine is priority #1 in being able to get good candidates back into office.

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Biden is useable because he is brain dead. Trump is stubborn to a fault. He is a difficult weapon to wield. He is just as likely to slice your head off as the enemy's.

I'd argue the left is dictating the right's candidates right now. They have made Trump the main news story forever. It is impossible for anyone else to shine, regardless of talent or resume. The left wants Trump in the spotlight and that spotlight to be negative.

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So no one who opposes Trump returned their tax refund!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Next, how many antiTrump car users enjoy the $3 dollar gas compared to the $1.86 under Trump!

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You mean the gas prices where no one was driving anywhere since Fauci was telling everyone to lock down? Those gas prices? Look, there were some good things that came out of the Trump presidency, but if you are going to give him the good of gas prices during Covid, you have to accept the bad that came from it too... as in everything else that came with those "great gas prices"

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So no one who opposes Trump returned their tax refund!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Next, how many antiTrump car users enjoy the $3 dollar gas compared to the $1.86 under Trump!

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Hyperbole doesn't help.

Average gas prices during the Trump presidency:

2017-$2.42
2018-$2.72
2019- $2.60
2020- $2.17 (you can't give anyone credit for these prices as demand dropped to zero)

Obviously much better than today but the $1.86 gas comments are silly and not going to be replicated.

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I don't agree with you on much, but this isn't invalid. But most of Trump's "conservative failure" was due to congressional republicans failing to push conservative bills. The Dems know how to use a vegetable in chief: have bills pre-written and slam them through.

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Which is why he went after many of these in their primary. He took a massive role in almost a 50% turnover in congress, and is the main reason we are getting these hearings on Biden. When guys like Paul Ryan were in charge, you would never hear a peep out of congress for this stuff.

These "MAGA Republicans" made it known when electing the speaker that they wanted more action.

Which is one of the reasons that Trump is so feared, both by the left and some on the right.