Science Denier said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Science Denier said:

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Thinking the best candidate is ever going to be 100% conservative is just stupid. Hell, Regan allowed amnesty, didn't support strict abortion legislation and spent like crazy.

And, Trump got Roe overturned and was the only president to actually defund PP. yet, the dumbass comment "he's attacking from the left" when he says 10 week vs 6 weeks abortion ban is thrown out by the TDS brains. It obviously affects one's ability for logical thinking.

Here is why the left fears Trump. It's his ability to actually get conservative ideas out to the people. DUH!!

The left stifles any attempt at conservative narratives. You see DeSantis floundering away? Well, TDS may be blocking this from your brain. But make no mistake. He's a total failure so far wt his narrative.

When the left tried to shut Trump up, he went harder. Speaking tours. TV ads. Social media. Press conferences. Non-stop for hours. None of thes 5 min photo op with a few zingers.

He turned the term fake news from meaning conservative narratives to MSM. Hammered all their lies over and over and over to the point he sold America on what these clowns were for.

This is all well known, proven facts. He I had been the ONLY effective communicator of conservative policy we've had since Regan.

But the dimwits here probably could call him a huge lib. HOLLYWOOD!!! REEEEEEEE!!!

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No one on the left fears Trump. They'd love another slam dunk presidential election in 2024.

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LMAO

So, the impeachments when in office was so he'd win again.
The impeachment when he was out of office was so he's win again.
The civil suits weee so he's win again.
The criminal charges weee so he's win again.

Yea, they've wanted him to win again since they've started their antics almost a decade ago.

I tell ya, the affects of TDS on actual logic is a very interesting phenomenon.

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Every Trump supporter confuses overwhelming hatred and wanting to crush him at every possible turn, with fear.

Once you open your eyes and realize they're doing this out of spite, not to keep him from a successful presidential run, you'll finally realize that a Trump presidency will never happen again. Zero chance. Absolutely a waste of time and a guaranteed Dem win.

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Logos Stick said:

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It's hard to see him as a vehicle for anything Conservative. After the last three years, it's hard to imagine any Conservative who even wants to be one of the adults in the room.

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Lol, three conservative SCOTUS justices that killed affirmative action and roe. That's one of many examples.

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Any Republican President would have done the same. He had the fortune of being in the right place at the right time. As much as people here are probably unwilling to admit it, that achievement probably belongs to McConnell more than trump.

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Sure thing, McConnell could have done that without Trump.

Bryanisbest said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Logos Stick said:

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eric76 said:

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It's hard to see him as a vehicle for anything Conservative. After the last three years, it's hard to imagine any Conservative who even wants to be one of the adults in the room.

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Lol, three conservative SCOTUS justices that killed affirmative action and roe. That's one of many examples.

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Any Republican President would have done the same. He had the fortune of being in the right place at the right time. As much as people here are probably unwilling to admit it, that achievement probably belongs to McConnell more than trump.

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Sure thing, McConnell could have done that without Trump.

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Like Jeb?

LMAO.

Speaking of Jeb.

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In December 1997, Trump co-hosted with Steve Forbes an exclusive $500-a-head fundraiser for Bush's election campaign at Trump Tower in Manhattan, according to news coverage at the time.

Trump's fundraiser was part of a larger donor effort that "helped Republican gubernatorial candidate Jeb Bush blow past his Democratic rivals," the Sun-Sentinel reported in January 1998, swelling Bush's campaign cash to $3.3 million. Bush himself attended the fundraiser.

"Within a week of the event the campaign deposited more than $223,000 in contributions," the Sun-Sentinel went on to write. "About $100,000 of that came from contributors who listed addresses outside Florida."

Trump, who had business interests in Florida, also donated $50,000 in 1998 to the state's Republican Party, which was aiding Bush's election.

Trump's support for Bush's Florida campaign continued into the 2000s. Trump, who has a long record of political donations to both parties including Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton gave $500 to Bush's 2002 reelection campaign, and he praised the governor in his book "The America We Deserve."

"Jeb Bush is a good man," Trump wrote in the book, which was unearthed by BuzzFeed. "He's exactly the kind of political leader this country needs now and will very much need in the future…. He's bright, tough, and principled. I like the Bush family very much. I believe we could get another president from the Bushes. He may be the one."

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Kunkle for Congress TX-34 said:

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Two pages in and nobody can yet explain how Trump would be an effective vehicle for conservative policy.

Why is this?

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It only took 4 pages.

Here is why:

I was being serious about the chosen by God part, but allow me to go deeper into the rabbit hole.

Donald J. Trump is an effective vehicle for conservative policy because he is an effective vehicle for whatever policy Donald J. Trump decides prudent to Donald J. Trump. In this case, saving the U.S.A. For better or worse, he believes in himself, his instincts, and his execution. I thank God Trump is fighting on our side.

I want you to seriously consider a hypothetical. Imagine if Trump just decided to flip on over the Democratic Party, tomorrow! Imagine he started to make appearances with the usual Democrat stars. A Trump, AOC, and Chuck Schumer rally with Bruce Springsteen, Guns n Roses, and Neil Young opening up would be a dream in the North East! Drops out of the current race, all his legal troubles gone, probably more business deals than ever in in his past. Trump could just write a book, go on tour, and live an Obama like retirement.

But you see, Trump actually did flip sides except from a Democrat to a Republican. You question has been asked before and answered by the vote of the American people. Trump chose the hard route. Why? Because Trump believes Trump is saving the U.S.A. I believe it too.

TL;DR: Conservatism didn't choose Trump, Trump chose conservatism. Thus, he is effective.

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Not going to say the c word... not going to say the c word...

On the SCOTUS thing…

As the left is quick to loudly remind us, McConnell and the Republican led Senate effectively blocked Garland from replacing Scalia.
And they are equally vociferous in reminding us that they rushed through Barrett as Ginsburg's replacement.

So while I guess it's cool that Trump nominated the three justices that he did, giving him the credit for putting them on the Court seems a bit much.

Bryanisbest said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Logos Stick said:

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It's hard to see him as a vehicle for anything Conservative. After the last three years, it's hard to imagine any Conservative who even wants to be one of the adults in the room.

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Lol, three conservative SCOTUS justices that killed affirmative action and roe. That's one of many examples.

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Any Republican President would have done the same. He had the fortune of being in the right place at the right time. As much as people here are probably unwilling to admit it, that achievement probably belongs to McConnell more than trump.

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Sure thing, McConnell could have done that without Trump.

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He could and he did! Trump announced a name that someone else gave him and McConnell did both the heavy lifting to open the opportunity as well as the authority to make it happen. He was involved before trump was even president.

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Kunkle for Congress TX-34 said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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Two pages in and nobody can yet explain how Trump would be an effective vehicle for conservative policy.

Why is this?

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It only took 4 pages.

Here is why:

I was being serious about the chosen by God part, but allow me to go deeper into the rabbit hole.

Donald J. Trump is an effective vehicle for conservative policy because he is an effective vehicle for whatever policy Donald J. Trump decides prudent to Donald J. Trump. In this case, saving the U.S.A. For better or worse, he believes in himself, his instincts, and his execution. I thank God Trump is fighting on our side.

I want you to seriously consider a hypothetical. Imagine if Trump just decided to flip on over the Democratic Party, tomorrow! Imagine he started to make appearances with the usual Democrat stars. A Trump, AOC, and Chuck Schumer rally with Bruce Springsteen, Guns n Roses, and Neil Young opening up would be a dream in the North East! Drops out of the current race, all his legal troubles gone, probably more business deals than ever in in his past. Trump could just write a book, go on tour, and live an Obama like retirement.

But you see, Trump actually did flip sides except from a Democrat to a Republican. You question has been asked before and answered by the vote of the American people. Trump chose the hard route. Why? Because Trump believes Trump is saving the U.S.A. I believe it too.

TL;DR: Conservatism didn't choose Trump, Trump chose conservatism. Thus, he is effective.

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Not going to say the c word... not going to say the c word...

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Say it!

Kunkle for Congress TX-34 said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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Two pages in and nobody can yet explain how Trump would be an effective vehicle for conservative policy.

Why is this?

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It only took 4 pages.

Here is why:

I was being serious about the chosen by God part, but allow me to go deeper into the rabbit hole.

Donald J. Trump is an effective vehicle for conservative policy because he is an effective vehicle for whatever policy Donald J. Trump decides prudent to Donald J. Trump. In this case, saving the U.S.A. For better or worse, he believes in himself, his instincts, and his execution. I thank God Trump is fighting on our side.

I want you to seriously consider a hypothetical. Imagine if Trump just decided to flip on over the Democratic Party, tomorrow! Imagine he started to make appearances with the usual Democrat stars. A Trump, AOC, and Chuck Schumer rally with Bruce Springsteen, Guns n Roses, and Neil Young opening up would be a dream in the North East! Drops out of the current race, all his legal troubles gone, probably more business deals than ever in in his past. Trump could just write a book, go on tour, and live an Obama like retirement.

But you see, Trump actually did flip sides except from a Democrat to a Republican. You question has been asked before and answered by the vote of the American people. Trump chose the hard route. Why? Because Trump believes Trump is saving the U.S.A. I believe it too.

TL;DR: Conservatism didn't choose Trump, Trump chose conservatism. Thus, he is effective.

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So, Trump decided that the prudent thing to do in 2020 was to not win the POTUS election? Because he was effective at that.

This man truly plays 24D chess!

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Jeeper79 said:

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Logos Stick said:

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It's hard to see him as a vehicle for anything Conservative. After the last three years, it's hard to imagine any Conservative who even wants to be one of the adults in the room.

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Lol, three conservative SCOTUS justices that killed affirmative action and roe. That's one of many examples.

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Any Republican President would have done the same. He had the fortune of being in the right place at the right time. As much as people here are probably unwilling to admit it, that achievement probably belongs to McConnell more than trump.

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Sure thing, McConnell could have done that without Trump.

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Trump couldn't have done it without McConnell.

Will all you people against Trump please post the dates you returned your income tax REFUND?

Thanks.

BigJim49 AustinNowDallas said:

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Will all you people against Trump please post the dates you returned your income tax REFUND?

Thanks.

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What does this have to do with this thread?

BigJim49 AustinNowDallas said:

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Will all you people against Trump please post the dates you returned your income tax REFUND?

Thanks.

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I can't, it was eaten up by the massive inflation caused from overspending.

BigJim49 AustinNowDallas said:

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Will all you people against Trump please post the dates you returned your income tax REFUND?

Thanks.

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I'm sorry why should I be grateful when I'm allowed to keep more of my money that I've already earned?

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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BigJim49 AustinNowDallas said:

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Will all you people against Trump please post the dates you returned your income tax REFUND?

Thanks.

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I'm sorry why should I be grateful when I'm allowed to keep more of my money that I've already earned?

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Because his actions allowed it?

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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BigJim49 AustinNowDallas said:

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Will all you people against Trump please post the dates you returned your income tax REFUND?

Thanks.

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I'm sorry why should I be grateful when I'm allowed to keep more of my money that I've already earned?

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Because his actions allowed it?

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Yeah. I don't really applaud people for taking a ton of my money and then graciously give me some of it back.

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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BigJim49 AustinNowDallas said:

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Will all you people against Trump please post the dates you returned your income tax REFUND?

Thanks.

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I'm sorry why should I be grateful when I'm allowed to keep more of my money that I've already earned?

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Because his actions allowed it?

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Yeah. I don't really applaud people for taking a ton of my money and then graciously give me some of it back.

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Well now you have me questioning where Trump got all the money for the ethanol subsidies he was bragging about..

Trump is definitely not the conservative champion. He's more of an FU to establishment politics. Even that is mostly show in my opinion.

Science Denier said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Logos Stick said:

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It's hard to see him as a vehicle for anything Conservative. After the last three years, it's hard to imagine any Conservative who even wants to be one of the adults in the room.

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Lol, three conservative SCOTUS justices that killed affirmative action and roe. That's one of many examples.

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Any Republican President would have done the same. He had the fortune of being in the right place at the right time. As much as people here are probably unwilling to admit it, that achievement probably belongs to McConnell more than trump.

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Sure thing, McConnell could have done that without Trump.

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Like Jeb?

LMAO.

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Did Jeb appoint 3 pro life Sup Ct justices? Must have missed that.

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Jeeper79 said:

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Logos Stick said:

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It's hard to see him as a vehicle for anything Conservative. After the last three years, it's hard to imagine any Conservative who even wants to be one of the adults in the room.

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Lol, three conservative SCOTUS justices that killed affirmative action and roe. That's one of many examples.

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Any Republican President would have done the same. He had the fortune of being in the right place at the right time. As much as people here are probably unwilling to admit it, that achievement probably belongs to McConnell more than trump.

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Sure thing, McConnell could have done that without Trump.

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He could and he did! Trump announced a name that someone else gave him and McConnell did both the heavy lifting to open the opportunity as well as the authority to make it happen. He was involved before trump was even president.

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Oh yea? Why couldn't all the other past Republican presidents get that done? I guess none of them had McConnell to be the main cog without which it would never happen? Come on man. Everybody knows the president is the main reason for Sup Ct appointments. Yes, McConnell helped.

Souter was supposed to be a conservative but, turns out, a president made a mistake. And how bout Roberts, the current chief Justice. Some president made a mistake on him too. DJT has been great on Sup Ct appointments.

Every political party has fringe elements, your crazy relatives that you tolerate at the occasional family get together. Trump took these fringe folks and somehow mainlined them into a coalition with political clout. Upon doing that, he trashed the conservative brand, making it look crazy. To quote the sapient Mugatu, from the outside looking in, "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills" when pointing out all the shenanigans entailed with MAGA.

Kid Rock helping out with US foreign policy? Purposing the ingestion of bleach without consulting his science/medical advisors? Name calling and invective for the slightest grievance? Irreverence for everyday manners? This is WWE politics straight from a movie like Idiocracy, Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho would be so proud if he was real.

I think we deserve a bit better and another platform for conservative ethos to make people's lives better.

GMaster0 said:

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Every political party has fringe elements, your crazy relatives that you tolerate at the occasional family get together. Trump took these fringe folks and somehow mainlined them into a coalition with political clout. Upon doing that, he trashed the conservative brand, making it look crazy. To quote the sapient Mugatu, from the outside looking in, "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills" when pointing out all the shenanigans entailed with MAGA.

Kid Rock helping out with US foreign policy? Purposing the ingestion of bleach without consulting his science/medical advisors? Name calling and invective for the slightest grievance? Irreverence for everyday manners? This is WWE politics straight from a movie like Idiocracy, Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho would be so proud if he was real.

I think we deserve a bit better and another platform for conservative ethos to make people's lives better.

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Almost a decade of name calling, lies, conspiracies that end of being true, release of a bioweapon, antifa, blm, foreign kickbacks, attacks on justices and the MAGA crowd is the crazy ones? They seem to just want low taxes, a strong economy and government out of their lives?

ShaggySLC said:

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GMaster0 said:

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Every political party has fringe elements, your crazy relatives that you tolerate at the occasional family get together. Trump took these fringe folks and somehow mainlined them into a coalition with political clout. Upon doing that, he trashed the conservative brand, making it look crazy. To quote the sapient Mugatu, from the outside looking in, "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills" when pointing out all the shenanigans entailed with MAGA.

Kid Rock helping out with US foreign policy? Purposing the ingestion of bleach without consulting his science/medical advisors? Name calling and invective for the slightest grievance? Irreverence for everyday manners? This is WWE politics straight from a movie like Idiocracy, Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho would be so proud if he was real.

I think we deserve a bit better and another platform for conservative ethos to make people's lives better.

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Almost a decade of name calling, lies, conspiracies that end of being true, release of a bioweapon, antifa, blm, foreign kickbacks, attacks on justices and the MAGA crowd is the crazy ones? They seem to just want low taxes, a strong economy and government out of their lives?

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And a strong US overseas.

All of which Trump sold to the American people and executed, all while both the media AND the establishment REPUBLICANS fought.

Science Denier said:

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ShaggySLC said:

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GMaster0 said:

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Every political party has fringe elements, your crazy relatives that you tolerate at the occasional family get together. Trump took these fringe folks and somehow mainlined them into a coalition with political clout. Upon doing that, he trashed the conservative brand, making it look crazy. To quote the sapient Mugatu, from the outside looking in, "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills" when pointing out all the shenanigans entailed with MAGA.

Kid Rock helping out with US foreign policy? Purposing the ingestion of bleach without consulting his science/medical advisors? Name calling and invective for the slightest grievance? Irreverence for everyday manners? This is WWE politics straight from a movie like Idiocracy, Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho would be so proud if he was real.

I think we deserve a bit better and another platform for conservative ethos to make people's lives better.

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Almost a decade of name calling, lies, conspiracies that end of being true, release of a bioweapon, antifa, blm, foreign kickbacks, attacks on justices and the MAGA crowd is the crazy ones? They seem to just want low taxes, a strong economy and government out of their lives?

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And a strong US overseas.

All of which Trump sold to the American people and executed, all while both the media AND the establishment REPUBLICANS fought.

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Really? So what was essentially a 50-50 leg branch, the establishment Republicans fought him, and he got it passed? It seems like he couldn't have done much of anything without those "establishment" Republicans. Except, of course, for getting rid of Obamacare, which he managed to sabotage with his stupid McCain feud.

Trump is the best vehicle right now because he has an established track record. How many "conservatives" have gotten into office and immediately bent over and grabbed their ankles for the special interests and the Beltway crowd? Dubya immediately comes to mind.

He fights and wins.
You cannot change policies if you don't do both.

This is why evangelicals support him.

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He fights and wins.
You cannot change policies if you don't do both.

This is why evangelicals support him.

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He is in the situation he is in now literally because he has lost more than he has won.

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Trump is the best vehicle right now because he has an established track record. How many "conservatives" have gotten into office and immediately bent over and grabbed their ankles for the special interests and the Beltway crowd? Dubya immediately comes to mind.

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His entire "track record" was based on executive orders which Biden undid in rapid succession.

And Trump isn't conservative; he is a populist who will do whatever he thinks is most advantageous for himself at that moment.

Phatbob said:

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Science Denier said:

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ShaggySLC said:

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GMaster0 said:

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Every political party has fringe elements, your crazy relatives that you tolerate at the occasional family get together. Trump took these fringe folks and somehow mainlined them into a coalition with political clout. Upon doing that, he trashed the conservative brand, making it look crazy. To quote the sapient Mugatu, from the outside looking in, "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills" when pointing out all the shenanigans entailed with MAGA.

Kid Rock helping out with US foreign policy? Purposing the ingestion of bleach without consulting his science/medical advisors? Name calling and invective for the slightest grievance? Irreverence for everyday manners? This is WWE politics straight from a movie like Idiocracy, Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho would be so proud if he was real.

I think we deserve a bit better and another platform for conservative ethos to make people's lives better.

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Almost a decade of name calling, lies, conspiracies that end of being true, release of a bioweapon, antifa, blm, foreign kickbacks, attacks on justices and the MAGA crowd is the crazy ones? They seem to just want low taxes, a strong economy and government out of their lives?

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And a strong US overseas.

All of which Trump sold to the American people and executed, all while both the media AND the establishment REPUBLICANS fought.

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Really? So what was essentially a 50-50 leg branch, the establishment Republicans fought him, and he got it passed? It seems like he couldn't have done much of anything without those "establishment" Republicans. Except, of course, for getting rid of Obamacare, which he managed to sabotage with his stupid McCain feud.

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Why is it not McCains fault for choosing feelings over what's best for the American people? You Trump haters never seem to talk about the things the other side did or people in the republican party did to undermine the will of the people. Americans wanted what Trump was pushing and the people that hate him always seem to think it's just what Trump wanted and not a huge portion of the country also. Y'all mocked him constantly about anything he wanted to do but really you were mocking a big chunk of American people and then wonder why he has a galvanized following.

2000AgPhD said:

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Trump is the best vehicle right now because he has an established track record. How many "conservatives" have gotten into office and immediately bent over and grabbed their ankles for the special interests and the Beltway crowd? Dubya immediately comes to mind.

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Got bent over by Fauci.

And disregard the federal government ran a political operation against him. The real coup.

ShaggySLC said:

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Phatbob said:

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Science Denier said:

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ShaggySLC said:

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GMaster0 said:

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Every political party has fringe elements, your crazy relatives that you tolerate at the occasional family get together. Trump took these fringe folks and somehow mainlined them into a coalition with political clout. Upon doing that, he trashed the conservative brand, making it look crazy. To quote the sapient Mugatu, from the outside looking in, "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills" when pointing out all the shenanigans entailed with MAGA.

Kid Rock helping out with US foreign policy? Purposing the ingestion of bleach without consulting his science/medical advisors? Name calling and invective for the slightest grievance? Irreverence for everyday manners? This is WWE politics straight from a movie like Idiocracy, Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho would be so proud if he was real.

I think we deserve a bit better and another platform for conservative ethos to make people's lives better.

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Almost a decade of name calling, lies, conspiracies that end of being true, release of a bioweapon, antifa, blm, foreign kickbacks, attacks on justices and the MAGA crowd is the crazy ones? They seem to just want low taxes, a strong economy and government out of their lives?

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And a strong US overseas.

All of which Trump sold to the American people and executed, all while both the media AND the establishment REPUBLICANS fought.

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Really? So what was essentially a 50-50 leg branch, the establishment Republicans fought him, and he got it passed? It seems like he couldn't have done much of anything without those "establishment" Republicans. Except, of course, for getting rid of Obamacare, which he managed to sabotage with his stupid McCain feud.

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Why is it not McCains fault for choosing feelings over what's best for the American people? You Trump haters never seem to talk about the things the other side did or people in the republican party did to undermine the will of the people. Americans wanted what Trump was pushing and the people that hate him always seem to think it's just what Trump wanted and not a huge portion of the country also. Y'all mocked him constantly about anything he wanted to do but really you were mocking a big chunk of American people and then wonder why he has a galvanized following.

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We have enough people blaming McCain. I don't need to do that, too. I hate that he was a squishy Republican, but if I had spent a decent amount of time in a VietCong prisoner camp, I probably wouldn't take too kindly to the BS Trump said about me, either. This was a fight that didn't need to happen.

Acting like Trump's problems didn't have negative consequences is putting our heads in the sand. His way of doing things has some upsides, but it also causes a lot of problems. At this point the downsides outweigh the upsides.

Phatbob said:

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ShaggySLC said:

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Phatbob said:

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Science Denier said:

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ShaggySLC said:

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GMaster0 said:

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Every political party has fringe elements, your crazy relatives that you tolerate at the occasional family get together. Trump took these fringe folks and somehow mainlined them into a coalition with political clout. Upon doing that, he trashed the conservative brand, making it look crazy. To quote the sapient Mugatu, from the outside looking in, "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills" when pointing out all the shenanigans entailed with MAGA.

Kid Rock helping out with US foreign policy? Purposing the ingestion of bleach without consulting his science/medical advisors? Name calling and invective for the slightest grievance? Irreverence for everyday manners? This is WWE politics straight from a movie like Idiocracy, Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho would be so proud if he was real.

I think we deserve a bit better and another platform for conservative ethos to make people's lives better.

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Almost a decade of name calling, lies, conspiracies that end of being true, release of a bioweapon, antifa, blm, foreign kickbacks, attacks on justices and the MAGA crowd is the crazy ones? They seem to just want low taxes, a strong economy and government out of their lives?

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And a strong US overseas.

All of which Trump sold to the American people and executed, all while both the media AND the establishment REPUBLICANS fought.

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Really? So what was essentially a 50-50 leg branch, the establishment Republicans fought him, and he got it passed? It seems like he couldn't have done much of anything without those "establishment" Republicans. Except, of course, for getting rid of Obamacare, which he managed to sabotage with his stupid McCain feud.

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Why is it not McCains fault for choosing feelings over what's best for the American people? You Trump haters never seem to talk about the things the other side did or people in the republican party did to undermine the will of the people. Americans wanted what Trump was pushing and the people that hate him always seem to think it's just what Trump wanted and not a huge portion of the country also. Y'all mocked him constantly about anything he wanted to do but really you were mocking a big chunk of American people and then wonder why he has a galvanized following.

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We have enough people blaming McCain. I don't need to do that, too. I hate that he was a squishy Republican, but if I had spent a decent amount of time in a VietCong prisoner camp, I probably wouldn't take too kindly to the BS Trump said about me, either. This was a fight that didn't need to happen.

Acting like Trump's problems didn't have negative consequences is putting our heads in the sand. His way of doing things has some upsides, but it also causes a lot of problems. At this point the downsides outweigh the upsides.

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Then ignoring what the federal government did to him and how he tried to react to that is putting your head in the sand too ol boy.

DC Establishment, Globaists & Deep State utterly despise Donald J. Trump.
Good Enough for me!

ShaggySLC said:

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Phatbob said:

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ShaggySLC said:

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Phatbob said:

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Science Denier said:

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ShaggySLC said:

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GMaster0 said:

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Every political party has fringe elements, your crazy relatives that you tolerate at the occasional family get together. Trump took these fringe folks and somehow mainlined them into a coalition with political clout. Upon doing that, he trashed the conservative brand, making it look crazy. To quote the sapient Mugatu, from the outside looking in, "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills" when pointing out all the shenanigans entailed with MAGA.

Kid Rock helping out with US foreign policy? Purposing the ingestion of bleach without consulting his science/medical advisors? Name calling and invective for the slightest grievance? Irreverence for everyday manners? This is WWE politics straight from a movie like Idiocracy, Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho would be so proud if he was real.

I think we deserve a bit better and another platform for conservative ethos to make people's lives better.

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Almost a decade of name calling, lies, conspiracies that end of being true, release of a bioweapon, antifa, blm, foreign kickbacks, attacks on justices and the MAGA crowd is the crazy ones? They seem to just want low taxes, a strong economy and government out of their lives?

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And a strong US overseas.

All of which Trump sold to the American people and executed, all while both the media AND the establishment REPUBLICANS fought.

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Really? So what was essentially a 50-50 leg branch, the establishment Republicans fought him, and he got it passed? It seems like he couldn't have done much of anything without those "establishment" Republicans. Except, of course, for getting rid of Obamacare, which he managed to sabotage with his stupid McCain feud.

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Why is it not McCains fault for choosing feelings over what's best for the American people? You Trump haters never seem to talk about the things the other side did or people in the republican party did to undermine the will of the people. Americans wanted what Trump was pushing and the people that hate him always seem to think it's just what Trump wanted and not a huge portion of the country also. Y'all mocked him constantly about anything he wanted to do but really you were mocking a big chunk of American people and then wonder why he has a galvanized following.

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We have enough people blaming McCain. I don't need to do that, too. I hate that he was a squishy Republican, but if I had spent a decent amount of time in a VietCong prisoner camp, I probably wouldn't take too kindly to the BS Trump said about me, either. This was a fight that didn't need to happen.

Acting like Trump's problems didn't have negative consequences is putting our heads in the sand. His way of doing things has some upsides, but it also causes a lot of problems. At this point the downsides outweigh the upsides.

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Then ignoring what the federal government did to him and how he tried to react to that is putting your head in the sand too ol boy.

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I expect a snake to be a snake. I also expect someone who is handling snakes to use protective equipment and to know what they are doing so they don't get bitten. If they don't know how to effectively handle snakes, they shouldn't be doing it.