Trump and DeSantis speeches from Iowa

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9:34a, 7/29/23
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9:43a, 7/29/23
It's too bad they don't just run together and then that leads the way for DeSantis for 2028 & 2032.
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In reply to annie88 • 9:50a, 7/29/23
annie88 said:
It's too bad they don't just run together and then that leads the way for DeSantis for 2028 & 2032.
Wait... you like Trump. From what others on F16 say, there's no way you could possibly like DeSantis
No, I don't care what CNN or MSNBC said this time
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9:53a, 7/29/23
The time for together with Trump has passed. Trump has let everyone know his opinion of republicans with any dissent in opinion.
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9:59a, 7/29/23
Trump is a short sighted child, imo. I'll vote for him if he gets the nom, but he has serious personality flaws.

He should get behind Desantis. Desantis could appoint Trump as AG and he could go scorched Earth on the Dems.
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In reply to annie88 • 10:05a, 7/29/23
Donald is damaged goods and aging quickly and DeSantis has zero interest in having him as his Vice President.
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10:38a, 7/29/23
Loved DeSantis's. Trump's was okay.
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In reply to annie88 • 10:42a, 7/29/23
Quote:
It's too bad they don't just run together and then that leads the way for DeSantis for 2028 & 2032.
No.

If Trump were in power, he'd still be able to turn the nation over to a guy like Fauci again.
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In reply to TexAgs91 • 10:43a, 7/29/23
TexAgs91 said:
annie88 said:
It's too bad they don't just run together and then that leads the way for DeSantis for 2028 & 2032.
Wait... you like Trump. From what others on F16 say, there's no way you could possibly like DeSantis
I've heard that despite my repeated statements that I like DeSantis.

Weird.
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10:53a, 7/29/23
There'e really only two kinds of republicans these days. Those that Trump has trashed and those that he will trash in the future.

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In reply to northeastag • 10:57a, 7/29/23
northeastag said:
There'e really only two kinds of republicans these days. Those that Trump has trashed and those that he will trash in the future.

There's actually only one kind. The ones that owe all their success to Trump, and later, the same ones that he never really liked.
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10:57a, 7/29/23
Trump (1:20): "Unlike the establishment globalists in this race, I've been an unwavering warrior for Iowa ethanol."

What percentage of F16 posters are now labeled "establishment globalists" for opposing government ethanol mandates and subsidies?
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In reply to annie88 • 11:04a, 7/29/23
annie88 said:
It's too bad they don't just run together and then that leads the way for DeSantis for 2028 & 2032.
hot take: someone not even on most conservatives' radar today will be the favorite in 2028. i'm increasingly getting the impression desantis's peak as a national political figure is already behind him.
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In reply to Old McDonald • 11:06a, 7/29/23
It will be Vivek
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In reply to Four Seasons Landscaping • 11:10a, 7/29/23
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It will be Vivek
maybe. 5 years ago desantis was a nobody, unless you were tuned into floridas gubernatorial race. 5 years from now it might be someone else who is a nobody today.
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In reply to TexAgs91 • 11:11a, 7/29/23
All of my circle of friends who are going to vote Trump in round one will be voting RD if RD wins round 1. There is no threat or animosity or cynical thoughts towards RD. We all will vote Trump Round 1. And Vote round two either Trump or RD whomever is left standing.
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In reply to annie88 • 11:11a, 7/29/23
annie88 said:
It's too bad they don't just run together and then that leads the way for DeSantis for 2028 & 2032.
It sounds good in theory but it was never going to work for many reasons.

1. Trump can't win the General in '24 and that is more apparent all the time.
2. Trump and DeSantis are both Alphas and while they have a lot of policy positions in common they would clash.
3. Trump has a very bad habit of waking up on any given day and deciding he hates someone for a real or imagined slight and then going nuclear on them.
4. DeSantis is not one to put his fate in Trump's hands, he knows that risk is way too high when he is only 44. He can easily survive losing to Trump but if he ties himself to Trump and Trump goes down in flames he goes down too. Most of all he might go down in flames because of things that DeSantis disagrees with and he would have to excuse away Trump's "issues".
5. Trump would have a very, very hard time giving up his power and making someone his heir. Of course he would have to because of age and term limits but he would hate it and that would come across. If DeSantis was seen as more popular than him it would really bother him even if Trump is on his way out. Trump will also have to decide he doesn't want to pass the torch to his son or to one of his hardcore, died in the wool supporters and that's no sure thing.

DeSantis could see all that and that's why he didn't jump on that train.
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In reply to FCBlitz • 11:21a, 7/29/23
FCBlitz said:
All of my circle of friends who are going to vote Trump in round one will be voting RD if RD wins round 1. There is no threat or animosity or cynical thoughts towards RD. We all will vote Trump Round 1. And Vote round two either Trump or RD whomever is left standing.
If Trump wins Round 1 it won't matter who you vote for in Round 2.
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In reply to [removed post] • 11:24a, 7/29/23
howitzercannon said:
How is it we only have desantis the ftard and trump the child as our only two candidates? Who the f is leading this party? The other party is full of whiny people and these two is all we have? Can we just have a normal potential candidate just once? Someone that actually listens to others and not think they are the smartest in the room?

Republicans are becoming more and more controlling and hypocrites of their own beliefs, and we need a readjustment on our views. Stop letting religious views with no sound thinking behind it dictating our views. For a bunch of people who believe in freedoms how much they want to interfere with others same freedoms.


CM spotted. DeSantis is in no way an ftard.
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In reply to Old McDonald • 11:28a, 7/29/23
Old McDonald said:
annie88 said:
It's too bad they don't just run together and then that leads the way for DeSantis for 2028 & 2032.
hot take: someone not even on most conservatives' radar today will be the favorite in 2028. i'm increasingly getting the impression desantis's peak as a national political figure is already behind him.
It's possible of course. Honestly though I think the only way DeSantis has peaked is if Trump wins the nomination and the General. If Trump loses the General then DeSantis is the easy favorite for 2028 because it will have essentially proven exactly what he was saying all along, that he had the better chance of winning. He's also fundamentally a really good politician who knows how to raise money and has a lot of skins on the wall. He would likely spend the '26 cycle campaigning for others and building up an even larger army of grass roots support as he prepares for the '28 run without having to worry about running Florida at the same time.

If Trump wins it all then he just needs to find a job and rebuild. Trump will offer him something. He is unlikely to challenge for Senate in FL. Not sure what that is. Might be he decides to make some money for a few years and then get back in the game. He is only 44 and has at least 25 more years of viability.
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In reply to [removed post] • 11:29a, 7/29/23
Why does it lose you? He's not a conservative and stands for nothing but himself.

Trump says whatever the crowd he is pandering to wants to hear. Perhaps you didn't understand that because he was pandering to people like you.
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In reply to Logos Stick • 11:49a, 7/29/23
Logos Stick said:
Trump is a short sighted child, imo. I'll vote for him if he gets the nom, but he has serious personality flaws.

He should get behind Desantis. Desantis could appoint Trump as AG and he could go scorched Earth on the Dems.
I thought that maybe the attorney General was supposed to be an attorney.
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In reply to aggie93 • 11:51a, 7/29/23
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FCBlitz said:
All of my circle of friends who are going to vote Trump in round one will be voting RD if RD wins round 1. There is no threat or animosity or cynical thoughts towards RD. We all will vote Trump Round 1. And Vote round two either Trump or RD whomever is left standing.
If Trump wins Round 1 it won't matter who you vote for in Round 2.


But if Desantis wins Round 1, it does matter who one votes for in Round 2.

If people are rooting for Trump, yet at the same time saying it won't matter, then why vote for him in the first place?
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howitzercannon said:
Hubert J. Farnsworth said:
howitzercannon said:
How is it we only have desantis the ftard and trump the child as our only two candidates? Who the f is leading this party? The other party is full of whiny people and these two is all we have? Can we just have a normal potential candidate just once? Someone that actually listens to others and not think they are the smartest in the room?

Republicans are becoming more and more controlling and hypocrites of their own beliefs, and we need a readjustment on our views. Stop letting religious views with no sound thinking behind it dictating our views. For a bunch of people who believe in freedoms how much they want to interfere with others same freedoms.


CM spotted. DeSantis is in no way an ftard.


How is he not an ftard? Are you suggesting he's worse?
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In reply to astros4545 • 12:01p, 7/29/23
Let's face it, I think we are all surprised that the poster with such an insightful take didn't have 2 stars and a history of active premium board posting.
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In reply to Four Seasons Landscaping • 12:04p, 7/29/23
Four Seasons Landscaping said:
Why does it lose you? He's not a conservative and stands for nothing but himself.

Trump says whatever the crowd he is pandering to wants to hear. Perhaps you didn't understand that because he was pandering to people like you.

Oh no Trump plays the politics game instead of being an unlikable principled politician like Cruz or Rand Paul who only win because of their states republican voting block majority. That doesn't make them bad politicians it just limits the office they can actually win.
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In reply to Old May Banker • 12:04p, 7/29/23
Old May Banker said:
The time for together with Trump has passed. Trump has let everyone know his opinion of republicans with any dissent in opinion.



That is your prediction. We will see if it's passed on Election Day.
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In reply to aggie93 • 12:05p, 7/29/23
Why wouldn't DeSantis be governor if Trump won? Term limits? I thought Florida passed a law allowing him to both run and be governor.
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In reply to texagbeliever • 12:28p, 7/29/23
texagbeliever said:
Why wouldn't DeSantis be governor if Trump won? Term limits? I thought Florida passed a law allowing him to both run and be governor.
DeSantis is term limited so he is done in '26 as FL Governor was my point. FL has 2 pretty popular GOP Senators so DeSantis is unlikely to challenge either and they are both on good terms with him. So the question is what he would be doing after his term is up.
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In reply to [removed post] • 12:30p, 7/29/23
howitzercannon said:
Hubert J. Farnsworth said:
howitzercannon said:
How is it we only have desantis the ftard and trump the child as our only two candidates? Who the f is leading this party? The other party is full of whiny people and these two is all we have? Can we just have a normal potential candidate just once? Someone that actually listens to others and not think they are the smartest in the room?

Republicans are becoming more and more controlling and hypocrites of their own beliefs, and we need a readjustment on our views. Stop letting religious views with no sound thinking behind it dictating our views. For a bunch of people who believe in freedoms how much they want to interfere with others same freedoms.


CM spotted. DeSantis is in no way an ftard.


How is he not an ftard? Are you suggesting he's worse?
Pretty high troll level stuff here, congrats.

Or maybe you can list any reason DeSantis is a "ftard"? Is it his success in being a conservative? His spotless personal record and beautiful family? Must be because he has a weird laugh?
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In reply to DD88 • 12:35p, 7/29/23
DD88 said:
What percentage of F16 posters are now labeled "establishment globalists" for opposing government ethanol mandates and subsidies?

Many of them will simply change their principles / stance rather than think he's wrong.
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In reply to DD88 • 12:37p, 7/29/23
DD88 said:
Trump (1:20): "Unlike the establishment globalists in this race, I've been an unwavering warrior for Iowa ethanol."

What percentage of F16 posters are now labeled "establishment globalists" for opposing government ethanol mandates and subsidies?


Ethanol is the freaking worst
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