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He had his opportunity with Tucker last night

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You showed your ass on DeSantis performance on Tucker yesterday. Back for more?

He explained what he'd do on firings and moving agencies out of DC. On Ukraine, he says no US troops and get NATO more involved. Asking for detailed military plan is absurd.

Keep it up. We are all enjoying the laughs!

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See, that's my point. He offers to way out of Ukraine. He said he'd fire individuals without taking into account firing individual civil service workers would mire him for years. Vivek addresses that and has a work around. Does Ron? "fire Fauci" well, if that were easy, it would have been done. There are mechanisms in place that actually prevent executives from doing that, but you knew that, right? Ron surely doesn't. There was a reason Tucker kept asking "ok, so what would you do to solve the Ukraine problem?" He must have asked very nicely three different times. Each time Ron pivoted to this and that. It was eye opening.

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This Iowa forum is clearly your first foray into this current campaign and introduction to these candidates. Honestly, I'm glad you're genuinely paying attention, more people need to so they can make informed decisions.

That said, the reason I know you haven't done any other research into the candidates is because if you had you wouldn't for a second think that Desantis is unprepared and without a plan for Ukraine.

Desantis has clearly demonstrated in his years in office that he's the most meticulously planned and well prepared candidate of this bunch by far. I could write three pages on how he tackled COVID, local DAs who wouldn't follow the letter of the law, election shenanigans in S. Florida, the Disney/Reedy Creek issue, the Parental Rights Bill, and on and on.

You've fallen for the charm and smooth delivery of Ramaswamy. THAT'S his biggest strength. Do a little more research though into him and his history and he starts to unravel.

And like I said on page 1......he's clearly angling to simply disrupt this GOP primary to the benefit of Trump with the intended goal of getting something from Trump later on. But hell, you've already bought into a Trump/Ramaswamp ticket, soooo mission accomplished with you at least.

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All I asked for was his specific policies. Show them to me. What would he specifically do to solve Ukraine? What would he specifically do to tackle the deep/administrative state? What would he specifically do to tackle AI? These are the issues that the next president would take on immediately assuming office. I have listened to Ron and I haven't found these answers. Please, since you are a fan of the guy, tell me what they are. You would know, right?

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If you are talking about a specific plan to deal with Ukraine beyond the broad strokes that's foolish. It's a shifting situation that will be very different by Jan of '25. Vivek or Trump can throw out some bold statements but the reality is it is foolish to try to get more specific than laying out priorities. DeSantis has laid out a very firm America First policy with a priority for the border above all else. In terms of Ukraine/NATO he wants to see the Europeans take on the larger share of any conflict while looking for a peaceful solution. No US troops as a hardline. He has stated Putin is a bad guy but you have to deal with people like him. He does not think that it is a significant US interest to be involved in Ukraine. That said it is impossible to know what the situation will be a year and a half from now and what will be involved in pulling out. He has made it clear that any US engagements under him need to have clear objectives as to what success looks like.

He has spoken often about how he will dismantle and reorganize the Administrative state and it is also one of his Top 3 priorities (Border is 1, Economy/O&G production is 2, Deep State is 3, all to be addressed Day 1). As I have said he has some of the best conservative minds alive that have already been working on a plan (Massie, Roy, and VDH). They are looking at all the legal ramifications, the limits of Executive Power, political realities, and looking at candidates for who they would hire). He isn't waiting until he is elected, he is doing it NOW. He did the exact same thing in FL before taking over as Governor and that is why he was so effective. He hit the ground running and never stopped. He was too fast and too prepared for the Administrative state there to react and he stayed on offense with outstanding people around him and a "no leaks" policy. While they tried to hit him on one thing he was already on to the next and he had already looked 3 steps ahead.

BTW, the best example of Vivek v DeSantis is Disney as to that issue. DeSantis knew exactly what he was doing with Disney. He thought through every possible angle and covered every base and he won. Vivek jumped in the middle and tried to say he was such a brilliant lawyer and DeSantis would lose. DeSantis just laughed and won, bigtime. That's the difference between being prepared and executing vs a theory guy.

In terms of "AI" I'm not sure what you mean. Vivek is aware of it as is DeSantis. Regulation of it is extremely difficult because "AI" is not that simple even to define. I have heard Vivek talk about the concerns of AI but I haven't heard exactly what his practical solution would be and how that will work legislatively. More importantly though DeSantis has taken a very strong stance and passed very strong regulation on Digital Currency. That's a much more tangible threat that must be addressed on a Federal scale to ban it.

If you want to learn more about DeSantis and what he has actually done and what he really plans you should go to the FL Legislative session Megathread It's 6 pages of specific details and actual legislation that Desantis has passed on a broad spectrum of issues. Vivek has some great ideas and is a smart guy for sure but it's really easy to do that when you A)Have never actually tried to implement anything and B)Know you have no real chance of winning and being held to account. If Vivek is serious he should focus on getting experience instead of trying to tear down people who are actually implementing the policies he desires and know what the hell they are doing.

As a side note I couldn't care less about Vivek being Indian or Hindu. The only thing that has irritated me a bit is he talks a lot about God and seems to try to come across like he is a Christian to people when he is not. Just be who you are and be proud of it.

Thanks for proving that I have listened to Ron, but you haven't listened to Vivek. All it takes is a short time to learn policies from both. Ukraine being a shifting battleground fails to account for the United States' strength. Do you not think if we stopped giving them billions the war would be over? As to AI, all it takes it to listen to a ten minute+ clip to learn both his position on AI and his actual plan to tackle the deep state. Who cares if something is in someone's top 3 prime topics if they have no plan to actual deal with it with legal powers given to the executive?


To his reverence of God, he talks about universal principles that exist across all religions. Again, found in that small clip I sent earlier. It's not unfounded that you have no idea as to what I am speaking without doing the due diligence (as small as that is) yourself.

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yep.
already engaged in some shady **** with his business/position during covid
some shady crap in South Carolina trying to get their pensions onto his investmet firm
and his head is so far up trump's ass, it has taken on its own orange hue.

he is grifty mcgrifty-face

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already egaged in some shady **** with his business/position during/covid
some shady crap in South Carolina
and his head is so far up trump's ass, it has taken on its own orange hue.

he is grifty mcgrifty-face

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pathetic take.



Just watch this. Please. take the time to open your mind and realize you are incredibly incorrect.

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pathetic take.

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patetic "candidate"/grifter.

You back door trump-humpers are going to be the ruin of us all.

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pathetic take.

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patetic "candidate"/grifter.

You back door trump-humpers are going to be the ruin of us all.

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Please just watch the video. You clearly haven't.

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Thanks for proving that I have listened to Ron, but you haven't listened to Vivek. All it takes is a short time to learn policies from both. Ukraine being a shifting battleground fails to account for the United States' strength. Do you not think if we stopped giving them billions the war would be over? As to AI, all it takes it to listen to a ten minute+ clip to learn both his position on AI and his actual plan to tackle the deep state. Who cares if something is in someone's top 3 prime topics if they have no plan to actual deal with it with legal powers given to the executive?


To his reverence of God, he talks about universal principles that exist across all religions. Again, found in that small clip I sent earlier. It's not unfounded that you have no idea as to what I am speaking without doing the due diligence (as small as that is) yourself.

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But he's a pagan that sacrifices humans!!!!!

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Thanks for proving that I have listened to Ron, but you haven't listened to Vivek. All it takes is a short time to learn policies from both. Ukraine being a shifting battleground fails to account for the United States' strength. Do you not think if we stopped giving them billions the war would be over? As to AI, all it takes it to listen to a ten minute+ clip to learn both his position on AI and his actual plan to tackle the deep state. Who cares if something is in someone's top 3 prime topics if they have no plan to actual deal with it with legal powers given to the executive?


To his reverence of God, he talks about universal principles that exist across all religions. Again, found in that small clip I sent earlier. It's not unfounded that you have no idea as to what I am speaking without doing the due diligence (as small as that is) yourself.

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I've listened to a lot of Vivek. He still talks in theory and he doesn't know what he is talking about from a legal or political perspective. DeSantis actually does and actually has a real plan and has achieved real results. Most of Vivek's plans would require significant legislation to work and that's a hard road. He doesn't have a team much less legions of highly competent people that he can put in place. He is going to learn on the fly and get his ass kicked. He is even less experience than Obama was and that's pretty terrible. He actually reminds me a lot of him with the soaring rhetoric and big promises he has no idea or intention of executing.

Like I said, Chip Roy, Thomas Massie, Victor Davis Hanson. If you can tell me 3 people more qualified to develop a plan to take down the Deep State I'm all ears. Maybe Rand Paul and Ted Cruz? Of course both of those guys are kindred spirits with that same group. DeSantis did the EXACT same thing in FL and it worked, bigtime.

I actually have a deep understanding of the Hindu relation with God and Christianity and how they compare. It's an argument Ghandi made often for instance. Hindus aren't Pagans and they don't fit neatly into either monotheistic or polytheistic categories, it's a complex religion. That said I don't really care about his religion other than I don't care for him seeming to pass himself off as a Christian in the way he talks about God. I would respect him far more if he was more open about his personal beliefs as Ghandi did so eloquently. Still none of that is a deal killer for me it just tells me that Vivek is a salesman and is very good at telling people what they want to hear.

It just staggers me how you think a guy who has basically been a Pharma investor who is great at raising money is the one who is so much better qualified with a better plan than a guy like DeSantis who has a proven track record of accomplishment and has served in so many relevant positions where he had to prove he could make things happen. It's like you hear a few minutes of Vivek speaking and that's all that matters and it is far more important than actual policy accomplishments. It's all feels.

WEF f-boi.

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Thanks for proving that I have listened to Ron, but you haven't listened to Vivek. All it takes is a short time to learn policies from both. Ukraine being a shifting battleground fails to account for the United States' strength. Do you not think if we stopped giving them billions the war would be over? As to AI, all it takes it to listen to a ten minute+ clip to learn both his position on AI and his actual plan to tackle the deep state. Who cares if something is in someone's top 3 prime topics if they have no plan to actual deal with it with legal powers given to the executive?


To his reverence of God, he talks about universal principles that exist across all religions. Again, found in that small clip I sent earlier. It's not unfounded that you have no idea as to what I am speaking without doing the due diligence (as small as that is) yourself.

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I've listened to a lot of Vivek. He still talks in theory and he doesn't know what he is talking about from a legal or political perspective.

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He's Russia-Ukraine peace solution is all based on a nice premise, but falls flat on the reality of the situation and how in bed Russia and China are with each other along with the othe BRICS countries.

All the more reason to sever the tie. Has Ron said a thing about that? Nope.

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Will flood …… based on what evidence? What as he said that gives you that impression?

Under what definition of pagan are you claiming Hindus are not pagan? Have to tell you, that is a head scratcher!

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All the more reason to sever the tie. Has Ron said a thing about that? Nope.

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How will Vivek specifically sever the tie between China and Russia? China buys a ton of oil from Russia. Would you prefer they buy it from Iran? They share a massive border that Russia will now need to guard more closely. Moreover, China is the money launderer for Russia at the moment.

Someone didn't watch the video where he specifically talks about this. Seriously guys, if you are going to bury your heads in the sand, of course you'll never know. As to your point, no, I'd prefer they buy it from us and we'd be competitive in that market if we'd just drill our natural resources.

Says the guy who had no clue what DeSantis said on Tucker Carlson

I watched it as it aired, but some people just believe deeply in unicorn and pixie dust.

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I watched the entire proceedings with every single candidate. Ron's answer on Ukraine was mercurial. The only clear thing he said was we need to win and we need our NATO allies to do more. If that's the case, just elect Trump. If you have a deeper understanding on his messaging, please illuminate us all.

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You showed your ass on DeSantis performance on Tucker yesterday. Back for more?

He explained what he'd do on firings and moving agencies out of DC. On Ukraine, he says no US troops and get NATO more involved. Asking for detailed military plan is absurd.

Keep it up. We are all enjoying the laughs!

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See, that's my point. He offers to way out of Ukraine. He said he'd fire individuals without taking into account firing individual civil service workers would mire him for years. Vivek addresses that and has a work around. Does Ron? "fire Fauci" well, if that were easy, it would have been done. There are mechanisms in place that actually prevent executives from doing that, but you knew that, right? Ron surely doesn't. There was a reason Tucker kept asking "ok, so what would you do to solve the Ukraine problem?" He must have asked very nicely three different times. Each time Ron pivoted to this and that. It was eye opening.

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This Iowa forum is clearly your first foray into this current campaign and introduction to these candidates. Honestly, I'm glad you're genuinely paying attention, more people need to so they can make informed decisions.

That said, the reason I know you haven't done any other research into the candidates is because if you had you wouldn't for a second think that Desantis is unprepared and without a plan for Ukraine.

Desantis has clearly demonstrated in his years in office that he's the most meticulously planned and well prepared candidate of this bunch by far. I could write three pages on how he tackled COVID, local DAs who wouldn't follow the letter of the law, election shenanigans in S. Florida, the Disney/Reedy Creek issue, the Parental Rights Bill, and on and on.

You've fallen for the charm and smooth delivery of Ramaswamy. THAT'S his biggest strength. Do a little more research though into him and his history and he starts to unravel.

And like I said on page 1......he's clearly angling to simply disrupt this GOP primary to the benefit of Trump with the intended goal of getting something from Trump later on. But hell, you've already bought into a Trump/Ramaswamp ticket, soooo mission accomplished with you at least.

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All I asked for was his specific policies. Show them to me. What would he specifically do to solve Ukraine? What would he specifically do to tackle the deep/administrative state? What would he specifically do to tackle AI? These are the issues that the next president would take on immediately assuming office. I have listened to Ron and I haven't found these answers. Please, since you are a fan of the guy, tell me what they are. You would know, right?

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Why would a President have any say over "AI" ?

That's private business and outside of the purview of a conservative principled person.

TUCKER CARLSON: In the spring, you described the war in Ukraine a s "territorial dispute." You issued a statement saying it was a territorial dispute that was not central to America's national interest. There was an outcry over this, and then pretty soon after you seemed to change your view and then described Putin as a war criminal and said that it was central to America's foreign policy. Why did you change and where are you now?

RON DESANTIS: The last part I did not say. I served in Iraq during the Iraq campaign in Fallujah, I was attached to U.S. Navy SEAL Team One. Remember it started with the WMD, then we had al Qaeda in Iraq, then it was creating a democracy, then it was this or that. Si the lesson that I learned from there is if you're going to commit to do military, whether it is aid or troops, you need to have a concrete idea of what you're trying to achieve.

So from the time I got out of the sandbox and landed back in the United States fifteen years ago until the present, I've always felt that. And so my critique of the D.C. foreign policy elite is that they are doing a blank check policy without telling us when we will have achieved our objective. And I think that today and I believed that then.

No, because you dissent from the D.C. foreign policy elite, they try to smear you and say you must be for Putin. I've always thought Putin was a bad guy, I still think he is a bad guy, but that's a separate question for a leader who has to look at the world through very clear-eyed glasses, you know that it's not all peaches and cream out there, and you have to make a decision about what is in America's national interest. And so that's the position that I believe.

And I also believe that I wish the DC elites cared as much about our border as they do about the Ukraine/Russia border.

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TUCKER CARLSON: What do you do about it? How do you act?

RON DESANTIS: One, Europe needs to do more. This is their backyard. We have NATO countries that don't produce support for their own defenses. And we're supposed to do it? And we're taking away weapons and ammo that could go to respond to contingencies overseas? So we would do more in terms of the Pacific.

The goal should be to bring it to a conclusion. You bring it to a conclusion in a way that is sustainable peace and doesn't reward aggression. And you have to be able to use different levers that you have. For example, I would use vis-a-vis Russia, is I would do out own energy exploration and send it over to Europe so they don't have to rely on Putin. I would stop giving Iran a free pass like Biden is because they're funding Russia. So we have some ability to use this but the goal should be we cannot have a quagmire that goes on for years and years. And seeing Biden put those troops there, I can tell you we cannot have American troops in Ukraine. That's a total non-starter.

What the **** does this even mean?

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Everyone is buzzing about how Vivek articulated the feelings of the Jan 6 folks yesterday. Let's look back at what he said at the time:

That awkward moment when you find old @VivekGRamaswamy tweets condemning Trump for J6 as Team Trump elevates Vivek.

Is Vivek honest about anything? pic.twitter.com/zyRrF3T9JT

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I can tell that most of you don't deal with Indians on a daily basis for work. If you did then you would understand lying is the absolute norm, backstabbing is common, cheating is accepted, and the ends always justify the means.

This is absolutely par for the course for every single Indian I have ever worked with in my career except for perhaps 2 of them. They will kiss your ass to the extreme until they get into a position of power and then drive a knife into your back.

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I run a division that is made up almost exclusively of Indians living in India. I've spent months in India.

I would 100% disagree with your entire post. They're extremely loyal, hard working, and kind. There's no lying backstabbing, and the ends never justify the means.

They're Catholics, Hindus, and Muslims and all extremely tolerant of each others beliefs to the point where intermarriage of faith is common.

What you posted is frankly just another racist tirade.

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Yeah this is hilariously wrong for virtually everyone who works in any field with a number of Indians. By and large it's a miserable experience. I have never met anyone who actually enjoys it or would choose an Indian over an American.

This kind of behavior is why H1-Bs are universally reviled.

Also, tolerant? Have you ever spoken to an Indian in private? They are racist beyond belief. I've had a few friends over the years and they pretty much hate blacks, Hispanics, and simply tolerate non-Indians. Indian families will disown their kids often if they marry someone outside of the ethnicity, which is why their interracial marriage rates are the lowest in the US. They are very insular as a people and don't really associate with outsiders.

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Despite spending months in Indian, supervising dozens and dozens of Indians, cooking for them in my homes, eating in their homes in India, touring India with them, and counting many of them as close friends that I speak to regularly despite living ten thousand miles away, no, Ive never spoken to an Indian in private.

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I simply don't believe you have done this or you have an agenda.

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I know. It's super hard to believe that an internal audit, analytics, and reporting division could be heavily invested in Indian labor that provides starting auditors at 9 lakh or around $9800 per year. I can hire seven of those guys for the price of a US based auditor, and the best part is they work swing shifts while I'm in bed. Literally you have a problem or task, give it to them, and poof it's in your inbox like magic in the morning. I can hire mid-level directors for 50 lakh and at around $60k and have them lead the entire group of staff.

They're all based in Tamil Nadu or Bangaluru, but I've got a few in Kerala.

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So you have an agenda and want to continue using cheap labor, got it.

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What idiot would pay more when I can get just a good of work out of them as I can here. Better stockholders profits to boot. Perhaps you missed the part which basically allows me to run 24/7.

You're clearly not cut out for my industry. What's it like slinging widgets?

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I worked in IT for 20 yrs. Indians did NOT do equal quality work as we did. We often to had to spend a LOT of time fixing their **** ups. A LOOOOOOOOOT of time.

It's clear what it means if you are having an honest dialogue. You probed two days in a row you are not. Sorry.

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Ok, illustrate it for me. The guy has already changed his position twice before being asked by Tucker hence why he phrased in such a way. Mercurial.

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TUCKER CARLSON: In the spring, you described the war in Ukraine a s "territorial dispute." You issued a statement saying it was a territorial dispute that was not central to America's national interest. There was an outcry over this, and then pretty soon after you seemed to change your view and then described Putin as a war criminal and said that it was central to America's foreign policy. Why did you change and where are you now?

RON DESANTIS: The last part I did not say. I served in Iraq during the Iraq campaign in Fallujah, I was attached to U.S. Navy SEAL Team One. Remember it started with the WMD, then we had al Qaeda in Iraq, then it was creating a democracy, then it was this or that. Si the lesson that I learned from there is if you're going to commit to do military, whether it is aid or troops, you need to have a concrete idea of what you're trying to achieve.

So from the time I got out of the sandbox and landed back in the United States fifteen years ago until the present, I've always felt that. And so my critique of the D.C. foreign policy elite is that they are doing a blank check policy without telling us when we will have achieved our objective. And I think that today and I believed that then.

No, because you dissent from the D.C. foreign policy elite, they try to smear you and say you must be for Putin. I've always thought Putin was a bad guy, I still think he is a bad guy, but that's a separate question for a leader who has to look at the world through very clear-eyed glasses, you know that it's not all peaches and cream out there, and you have to make a decision about what is in America's national interest. And so that's the position that I believe.

And I also believe that I wish the DC elites cared as much about our border as they do about the Ukraine/Russia border.

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TUCKER CARLSON: What do you do about it? How do you act?

RON DESANTIS: One, Europe needs to do more. This is their backyard. We have NATO countries that don't produce support for their own defenses. And we're supposed to do it? And we're taking away weapons and ammo that could go to respond to contingencies overseas? So we would do more in terms of the Pacific.

The goal should be to bring it to a conclusion. You bring it to a conclusion in a way that is sustainable peace and doesn't reward aggression. And you have to be able to use different levers that you have. For example, I would use vis-a-vis Russia, is I would do out own energy exploration and send it over to Europe so they don't have to rely on Putin. I would stop giving Iran a free pass like Biden is because they're funding Russia. So we have some ability to use this but the goal should be we cannot have a quagmire that goes on for years and years. And seeing Biden put those troops there, I can tell you we cannot have American troops in Ukraine. That's a total non-starter.

What the **** does this even mean?

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It means he's thought about it more than you or Trump (or I) and it is a multi-faceted approach.

But, in the end, who cares? Let those two **** holes blow each other up. Not my concern.

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You're calling me dishonesty when you can't articulate your choice's position? Wow. Just wow.

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You're calling me dishonesty when you can't articulate your choice's position? Wow. Just wow.

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You're showing your youth and naivete if you believe someone (especially another young guy who's never been in politics his entire life) who says they have the exact answer down to the details right now for how to immediately dissolve a complicated conflict between nations halfway around the world once they get put in office 18 months from now. That person is either just as naive as you, so arrogrant they truly do believe it, or they're blowing a lot of smoke up your ass to win your vote.

An honest politician who won't see the office for another 18 months will tell you their overall stance but pump the brakes on being so arrogant as to list out exactly what he'll do and how the other major players will react. He'll acknowledge the situation is a fluid one that will change many times before he even steps into office.

Or maybe you also believe Trump when he simply says, "I'll end the war within 24 hrs of taking office. It'll be glorious. The most beautiful peace treaty the world has ever seen. Historic. Beautiful. "

I just happen to know that we are keeping up Ukraine in this conflict or do you think the billions being sent are just sent for fun? I see, so you don't even need to have a clear plan on how to stop this conflict because, well, it'll change in 18 months. What a joke. You Ron fans are a joke.

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I just happen to know that we are keeping up Ukraine in this conflict or do you think the billions being sent are just sent for fun? I see, so you don't even need to have a clear plan on how to stop this conflict because, well, it'll change in 18 months. What a joke. You Ron fans are a joke.

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It's all perspective. To me it is far worse to make a plan for something you know only a fraction of what is happening and will absolutely change significantly in the next 18 months. The far more relevant information is guiding principles and priorities. That's just wisdom. He laid out priorities and how he would use his power including examples. He also discussed obstacles.

Btw DeSantis never said win he said bring it to a conclusion. Huge difference. Foreign policy is extremely complex and changing. DeSantis has 6 years serving on the FP Committee in the House as well, that's why he's not foolish enough to make too many bold statements.

So no plan is better than having a plan. Got ya. Best not to actually articulate a plan for fear of being wrong, am I right? What a joke.

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Everyone is buzzing about how Vivek articulated the feelings of the Jan 6 folks yesterday. Let's look back at what he said at the time:

That awkward moment when you find old @VivekGRamaswamy tweets condemning Trump for J6 as Team Trump elevates Vivek.

Is Vivek honest about anything? pic.twitter.com/zyRrF3T9JT

— John Cardillo (@johncardillo) July 15, 2023

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I can tell that most of you don't deal with Indians on a daily basis for work. If you did then you would understand lying is the absolute norm, backstabbing is common, cheating is accepted, and the ends always justify the means.

This is absolutely par for the course for every single Indian I have ever worked with in my career except for perhaps 2 of them. They will kiss your ass to the extreme until they get into a position of power and then drive a knife into your back.

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I run a division that is made up almost exclusively of Indians living in India. I've spent months in India.

I would 100% disagree with your entire post. They're extremely loyal, hard working, and kind. There's no lying backstabbing, and the ends never justify the means.

They're Catholics, Hindus, and Muslims and all extremely tolerant of each others beliefs to the point where intermarriage of faith is common.

What you posted is frankly just another racist tirade.

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Yeah this is hilariously wrong for virtually everyone who works in any field with a number of Indians. By and large it's a miserable experience. I have never met anyone who actually enjoys it or would choose an Indian over an American.

This kind of behavior is why H1-Bs are universally reviled.

Also, tolerant? Have you ever spoken to an Indian in private? They are racist beyond belief. I've had a few friends over the years and they pretty much hate blacks, Hispanics, and simply tolerate non-Indians. Indian families will disown their kids often if they marry someone outside of the ethnicity, which is why their interracial marriage rates are the lowest in the US. They are very insular as a people and don't really associate with outsiders.

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Despite spending months in Indian, supervising dozens and dozens of Indians, cooking for them in my homes, eating in their homes in India, touring India with them, and counting many of them as close friends that I speak to regularly despite living ten thousand miles away, no, Ive never spoken to an Indian in private.

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I simply don't believe you have done this or you have an agenda.

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I know. It's super hard to believe that an internal audit, analytics, and reporting division could be heavily invested in Indian labor that provides starting auditors at 9 lakh or around $9800 per year. I can hire seven of those guys for the price of a US based auditor, and the best part is they work swing shifts while I'm in bed. Literally you have a problem or task, give it to them, and poof it's in your inbox like magic in the morning. I can hire mid-level directors for 50 lakh and at around $60k and have them lead the entire group of staff.

They're all based in Tamil Nadu or Bangaluru, but I've got a few in Kerala.

Edit. Kerala spelling

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So you have an agenda and want to continue using cheap labor, got it.

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What idiot would pay more when I can get just a good of work out of them as I can here. Better stockholders profits to boot. Perhaps you missed the part which basically allows me to run 24/7.

You're clearly not cut out for my industry. What's it like slinging widgets?

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I worked in IT for 20 yrs. Indians did NOT do equal quality work as we did. We often too had to spend a LOT of time fixing their **** ups. A LOOOOOOOOOT of time.

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Understandable and agree. And because of that we arent asking them to do higher level outside the box problem solving that's still done by other groups stateside. We're building scripts for them to follow in the US and they repeat the process over and over again. Then as the capability of our AI bot builders in India grow we convert those manual processes into automations the can review entire pops.

It's been a three year build. But basically we used to this concept to move from an audit department that tested around 12,000 samples a year and this year are on pace to review over 40 million.

You have to work with the strengths of the team. They just are not taught growing up to think outside the box. They're taught to understand the rules and processes then repeat those proficiently and quickly.

But that doesn't make them backstabbers, liars, and cheats like some would propose.

Edit: I'd rather hire Mexi-honkeys but you want too much money.

That's not true. I know more than a handful of Indians married to high achieving white women (sorority girls at that). They're about as pro nuclear family as it gets, just not the right pro nuclear family in your eyes.

I'd have more respect for you if you just said, I won't vote for a brown Indian dude that doesn't look like me for president.

I see eye to eye with this argument more than the he's brown, f him. Aggie93 brings substance.

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That's not true. I know more than a handful of Indians married to high achieving white women (sorority girls at that). They're about as pro nuclear family as it gets, just not the right pro nuclear family in your eyes.

I'd have more respect for you if you just said, I won't vote for a brown Indian dude that doesn't look like me for president.

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Anecdotes are not data at all. The data says they rarely marry outside their race. I never said this was a bad thing for them. I applaud them for maintaining it.

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Stonegateag85 said:

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That's not true. I know more than a handful of Indians married to high achieving white women (sorority girls at that). They're about as pro nuclear family as it gets, just not the right pro nuclear family in your eyes.

I'd have more respect for you if you just said, I won't vote for a brown Indian dude that doesn't look like me for president.

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Anecdotes are not data at all. The data says they rarely marry outside their race. I never said this was a bad thing for them. I applaud them for maintaining it.

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Would you be upset if your kid dated or married someone who wasn't white?