Corporate bankruptcies and defaults are surging here's why...

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Many companies also include notice requirements in their employment contracts that guarantee you some amount of notice (but also require that you provide notice before leaving, usually 2 weeks). My last employer gave me 1 week per year I was there, up to 12 weeks. It's pretty common in my industry.
It's great when there is a written policy. Most places barely mention it and I have the policy revised during my time. I've been shown the door multiple times, twice with pay and everything else cut off immediately. That is the cold hard reality.

What you mention is great, glad you have that benefit.
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TxAggieBand85 said:

Pinochet said:



Many companies also include notice requirements in their employment contracts that guarantee you some amount of notice (but also require that you provide notice before leaving, usually 2 weeks). My last employer gave me 1 week per year I was there, up to 12 weeks. It's pretty common in my industry.
It's great when there is a written policy. Most places barely mention it and I have the policy revised during my time. I've been shown the door multiple times, twice with pay and everything else cut off immediately. That is the cold hard reality.

What you mention is great, glad you have that benefit.
Written policy is not a contract and does not create an obligation regarding notice and severance. Vacation policies "may" create an obligation on the company.

Most have policies and adhere to policies as a defense against lawsuits. Its to void the "We love Jan and she has 3 kids, so we gave her 30 days... but Doug is the son of a millionaire and already has a side gig, so we gave him a weee".

Oh you mean Black Doug? And now you have a costly problem.

As pointed out, WARN requires notice and there varying requirements. There are also many additional and sometimes conflicting state requirements. If you are lucky enough to have unions involved, then its time to have HR lawyers guide you.

Good news for those willing to work is that there remains a surplus of millennials in the workforce who want to work from home, demand bottomless soy lattes, and Thursday neck beard trimming classes. Give me a hard working Gen X-er anyday over a coddled participation trophy millenial.
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Owlagdad said:

Ask Karine Jean-Pierre. She will will give you straight answer.
And she will be "very clear" about it
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fka ftc said:

TxAggieBand85 said:

Pinochet said:



Many companies also include notice requirements in their employment contracts that guarantee you some amount of notice (but also require that you provide notice before leaving, usually 2 weeks). My last employer gave me 1 week per year I was there, up to 12 weeks. It's pretty common in my industry.
It's great when there is a written policy. Most places barely mention it and I have the policy revised during my time. I've been shown the door multiple times, twice with pay and everything else cut off immediately. That is the cold hard reality.

What you mention is great, glad you have that benefit.
Written policy is not a contract and does not create an obligation regarding notice and severance. Vacation policies "may" create an obligation on the company.

Most have policies and adhere to policies as a defense against lawsuits. Its to void the "We love Jan and she has 3 kids, so we gave her 30 days... but Doug is the son of a millionaire and already has a side gig, so we gave him a weee".

Oh you mean Black Doug? And now you have a costly problem.

As pointed out, WARN requires notice and there varying requirements. There are also many additional and sometimes conflicting state requirements. If you are lucky enough to have unions involved, then its time to have HR lawyers guide you.

Good news for those willing to work is that there remains a surplus of millennials in the workforce who want to work from home, demand bottomless soy lattes, and Thursday neck beard trimming classes. Give me a hard working Gen X-er anyday over a coddled participation trophy millenial.

For the record, I am 100% talking about an employment contract, not policies. In order to get noncompetes and nonsolicitation agreements in there (enforceable or not), an employer has to have an employment contract. Whether or not you read it is another thing entirely. I am constantly amazed at people who never read their contract and get screwed on the back end when they are laid off or fired.
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result was Biden and the Democrats did better in the mid-terms than nearly any other time in history.

Shocking result indeed - I wonder what could possibly explain it???
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Pinochet said:




For the record, I am 100% talking about an employment contract, not policies. In order to get noncompetes and nonsolicitation agreements in there (enforceable or not), an employer has to have an employment contract. Whether or not you read it is another thing entirely. I am constantly amazed at people who never read their contract and get screwed on the back end when they are laid off or fired.
Unless you are in the c-suite or play professional sports, employment contracts are rare.

Noncompetes and nonsolication do not need or create an employment contract. I've seen a mixture but most true employment contracts I have seen are for the c-suite.

But you are correct, the agreements / contracts are written to protect the employer not employee, unless you happen to again be c-level or an athlete in which you are paying a lawyer to negotiate on your behalf.

For the average joe, their noncompetes are going to be something shoved in their face at start of employment or when a business circumstance has changed is changing.
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I'm not c suite or an athlete. This has been true since my first job out of school in this industry. They're not as rare as you make it sound.
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What industry if you don't mind me asking? And would this be in Texas?

In my experience, employment contracts are the exception and not the rule. An employment contract requiring an employee to give x amount of notice would be even rarer - specific to highly skilled positions or ones involving specific work product or knowledge.

Most people will be covered by company / corporate policy which is there for the employer not the employee.

At most smaller companies, policies are unwritten and the risk for running afoul of a law, rule, or lawsuit is increased but balanced by their not being deep pockets to pursue.

YMMV.
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Public accounting/consulting. It's in Texas but the firms are global. The employee side notice requirements are generally only 2 weeks, and a lot of times the employer waives it and agrees to pay the employee for the remaining period, but the requirements do exist in the employment contracts.

Funny enough, most staff have no idea they signed an employment agreement at all. "Oh I thought that was just an offer letter" or "I thought I was just agreeing to my raise/promotion."
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Federal debt to soar, CBO predicts, despite GOP-led spending standoff
Story by Tony Romm Yesterday 8:59 PM

The U.S. debt is expected to soar to historic levels over the next 30 years, eventually reaching 181 percent of the country's total economic output even after Republicans drove a high-stakes standoff this spring to secure what they described as a major improvement in the nation's fiscal health.

A new forecast Wednesday from the Congressional Budget Office, the nonpartisan spending scorekeeper on Capitol Hill, described the government's long-term finances as slightly improved yet still "challenging," and it raised the prospect that the bleak outlook could create a future drag on the U.S. economy.

Over the next 30 years, the annual shortfall between what Washington spends on federal programs and collects in tax revenue the gap is known as the deficit is expected to fall as a share of the economy by 2027, then begin growing again, and by 2053 reaching levels not seen since World War II.

The yearly deficit adds to the federal debt held by the public, and the CBO expects the debt to reach 107 percent of the country's gross domestic product, a measure of economic output, by 2029 surpassing its historical high. The debt is expected to continue to grow as a share of GDP to 181 percent by 2053.
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Did Tiffany & Co, burn down their newly renovated flagship store adjacent to Trump Tower?

Is commercial real estate really that bad out there?
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LMCane said:

Federal debt to soar, CBO predicts, despite GOP-led spending standoff
Story by Tony Romm Yesterday 8:59 PM

The U.S. debt is expected to soar to historic levels over the next 30 years, eventually reaching 181 percent of the country's total economic output even after Republicans drove a high-stakes standoff this spring to secure what they described as a major improvement in the nation's fiscal health.

A new forecast Wednesday from the Congressional Budget Office, the nonpartisan spending scorekeeper on Capitol Hill, described the government's long-term finances as slightly improved yet still "challenging," and it raised the prospect that the bleak outlook could create a future drag on the U.S. economy.

Over the next 30 years, the annual shortfall between what Washington spends on federal programs and collects in tax revenue the gap is known as the deficit is expected to fall as a share of the economy by 2027, then begin growing again, and by 2053 reaching levels not seen since World War II.

The yearly deficit adds to the federal debt held by the public, and the CBO expects the debt to reach 107 percent of the country's gross domestic product, a measure of economic output, by 2029 surpassing its historical high. The debt is expected to continue to grow as a share of GDP to 181 percent by 2053.
The national debt may be the most irrelevant economic figure out there today.

Debt as a percentage of revenue is not normally used to gauge the credit worthiness of anyone. Can the company / government service the debt = yes.

Does the company / government has assets covering the debt = yes.

US can keep printing money until the end of time. The primary consequence of printing too fast is inflation, which is then managed back down with rates and bad economie.s
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I am planning my return to DC after 3 months overseas and looking into the Dover Casino (flying into Newark and driving south)

so what do I find:

"Dear Guests of Toppers Spa Salon,

With immense sadness we must announce the closing of all Toppers Spa Salon locations,

effective immediately, after over forty years in business.

Every attempt has been made to keep Toppers stable, especially for our loyal employees and guests, but the economic challenges of the past couple of years have become overwhelming and impossible to face as a small business."

but Biden is doing great!
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Owlagdad said:

Ask Karine Jean-Pierre. She will will give you straight answer.


You mean a bi-ased answer? She don't do straight.
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fka ftc said:

LMCane said:

Federal debt to soar, CBO predicts, despite GOP-led spending standoff
Story by Tony Romm Yesterday 8:59 PM

The U.S. debt is expected to soar to historic levels over the next 30 years, eventually reaching 181 percent of the country's total economic output even after Republicans drove a high-stakes standoff this spring to secure what they described as a major improvement in the nation's fiscal health.

A new forecast Wednesday from the Congressional Budget Office, the nonpartisan spending scorekeeper on Capitol Hill, described the government's long-term finances as slightly improved yet still "challenging," and it raised the prospect that the bleak outlook could create a future drag on the U.S. economy.

Over the next 30 years, the annual shortfall between what Washington spends on federal programs and collects in tax revenue the gap is known as the deficit is expected to fall as a share of the economy by 2027, then begin growing again, and by 2053 reaching levels not seen since World War II.

The yearly deficit adds to the federal debt held by the public, and the CBO expects the debt to reach 107 percent of the country's gross domestic product, a measure of economic output, by 2029 surpassing its historical high. The debt is expected to continue to grow as a share of GDP to 181 percent by 2053.
The national debt may be the most irrelevant economic figure out there today.

Debt as a percentage of revenue is not normally used to gauge the credit worthiness of anyone. Can the company / government service the debt = yes.

Does the company / government has assets covering the debt = yes.

US can keep printing money until the end of time. The primary consequence of printing too fast is inflation, which is then managed back down with rates and bad economie.s


What assets do we have to cover our debt? Please list them.

And no, you can't print until the end of time. Because every time you do the currency devalues. And the laughable comment about the glorious FED successfully managing inflation back down so we can just print more, hilariously economically dense. The dollar menu at McDonald's is now $3 and a pound of ground beef is now $5+, but sure.. things are just fine. And after this amazing FED "manages" the devaluation of our currency back to a the level where our uneducated populace has its eyes gloss over, the dollar is still being crushed BY your lovely FED. Your house is not gaining value. Your dollar is losing it and you are going to pay for immensely.

The Federal Reserve and fractional banking was the worst mistake the we ever made. And the world is all in on it now. It will end the same way it did in the past. With war.
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- also Farmer @ Johnsongrass, TX (obviously in a worse mood)
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Heineken-Ashi said:

fka ftc said:

LMCane said:

Federal debt to soar, CBO predicts, despite GOP-led spending standoff
Story by Tony Romm Yesterday 8:59 PM

The U.S. debt is expected to soar to historic levels over the next 30 years, eventually reaching 181 percent of the country's total economic output even after Republicans drove a high-stakes standoff this spring to secure what they described as a major improvement in the nation's fiscal health.

A new forecast Wednesday from the Congressional Budget Office, the nonpartisan spending scorekeeper on Capitol Hill, described the government's long-term finances as slightly improved yet still "challenging," and it raised the prospect that the bleak outlook could create a future drag on the U.S. economy.

Over the next 30 years, the annual shortfall between what Washington spends on federal programs and collects in tax revenue the gap is known as the deficit is expected to fall as a share of the economy by 2027, then begin growing again, and by 2053 reaching levels not seen since World War II.

The yearly deficit adds to the federal debt held by the public, and the CBO expects the debt to reach 107 percent of the country's gross domestic product, a measure of economic output, by 2029 surpassing its historical high. The debt is expected to continue to grow as a share of GDP to 181 percent by 2053.
The national debt may be the most irrelevant economic figure out there today.

Debt as a percentage of revenue is not normally used to gauge the credit worthiness of anyone. Can the company / government service the debt = yes.

Does the company / government has assets covering the debt = yes.

US can keep printing money until the end of time. The primary consequence of printing too fast is inflation, which is then managed back down with rates and bad economie.s


What assets do we have to cover our debt? Please list them.

And no, you can't print until the end of time. Because every time you do the currency devalues. And the laughable comment about the glorious FED successfully managing inflation back down so we can just print more, hilariously economically dense. The dollar menu at McDonald's is now $3 and a pound of ground beef is now $5+, but sure.. things are just fine. And after this amazing FED "manages" the devaluation of our currency back to a the level where our uneducated populace has its eyes gloss over, the dollar is still being crushed BY your lovely FED. Your house is not gaining value. Your dollar is losing it and you are going to pay for immensely.

The Federal Reserve and fractional banking was the worst mistake the we ever made. And the world is all in on it now. It will end the same way it did in the past. With war.


United States is worth at least $270T or let's say an 8x coverage of the debt. I think we will be fine. Biggest issue will be the greenies trying to prevent us from the raw materials to print more money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_position_of_the_United_States
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The figures from your Wikipedia article are a decade old.
“Give it hell Heinekandle, I’m enjoying it.”
- Farmer @ Johnsongrass, TX

“No secure borders, no alpha military, no energy independence, no leadership and most of all no mean tweets - this is the worst trade I’ve ever witnessed in my lifetime. ***Put that quote in your quote/signature section HeinendKandle*** LOL!”
- also Farmer @ Johnsongrass, TX (obviously in a worse mood)
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Let me know if the point was not made or if they need to be updated so you understand the US is not bankrupt. Thanks.
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TxAggieBand85 said:

fka ftc said:

Not completely true. There is the WARN act that requires certain notices. Been a while but I believe there are exceptions to WARN.
I stand corrected. Depends on size of company. For the most part, 'At Will' means today can be your last day.

Related story: My WARN notice when I was with General Dynamics (Now Lockheed), DOD canceled our contract. The WARN notice simply stated that we would be laid off immediately without pay forward.


When I was working for Lockheed Martin 2002-2010 there were layoffs all the time with no warnings. Just "pack up and go"

same at Hamilton Sundstrand (now part of Raytheon Technologies)

I literally saw 62 year olds told in the morning and walked out by a security guard 15 minutes later.
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I literally saw 62 year olds told in the morning and walked out by a security guard 15 minutes later.

I call that the 5 minute retirement and I have seen this more times than I would like to relate. The stress of being an older worker without health insurance until medicare in the United States is literally killing us. Am so thankful that I have market skills.
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TxAggieBand85 said:

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I literally saw 62 year olds told in the morning and walked out by a security guard 15 minutes later.

I call that the 5 minute retirement and I have seen this more times than I would like to relate. The stress of being an older worker without health insurance until medicare in the United States is literally killing us. Am so thankful that I have market skills.


Just fyi, he didn't really work at those places... he's telling another mfbarnes story
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fka ftc said:

Let me know if the point was not made or if they need to be updated so you understand the US is not bankrupt. Thanks.


Please provide a list of the assets up to date.
“Give it hell Heinekandle, I’m enjoying it.”
- Farmer @ Johnsongrass, TX

“No secure borders, no alpha military, no energy independence, no leadership and most of all no mean tweets - this is the worst trade I’ve ever witnessed in my lifetime. ***Put that quote in your quote/signature section HeinendKandle*** LOL!”
- also Farmer @ Johnsongrass, TX (obviously in a worse mood)
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fka ftc said:

What industry if you don't mind me asking? And would this be in Texas?

In my experience, employment contracts are the exception and not the rule. An employment contract requiring an employee to give x amount of notice would be even rarer - specific to highly skilled positions or ones involving specific work product or knowledge.

Most people will be covered by company / corporate policy which is there for the employer not the employee.

At most smaller companies, policies are unwritten and the risk for running afoul of a law, rule, or lawsuit is increased but balanced by their not being deep pockets to pursue.

YMMV.
I think this is mostly correct.

I have been in the defense contracting compliance industry my entire career (since 1998)

when I started as a FED they couldn't just fire me without some paperwork and counseling and some cause. not sure if that still exists today

in the private sector, I always had a contract. and sometimes they would come and say "hey we want you to work for another year and if you do you can get up to X amount of bonus"

of course that was not promised exactly the percentage but they came close

with this israeli defense contractor it was literally AT WILL and you signed a paper saying they could fire you anytime. after the first year they offered me a contract- although it was the same salary I was making anyway. not sure what the value of the contract is over just being at will anyway if you don't get an added incentive.
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That's funny.

I don't do research on request.

If you want to prove me wrong, have at it. But I have no need to prove myself right. I just am right.
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I fear for my daughters, both in their 30s. The Federal Government is out of control and the acceleration towards totalitarianism is undeniable.

Anyone considering voting for any Democratic Party candidate in city, state or federal government should immediately reconsider their voting preferences. The Republican Party needs to start supporting more conservative fiscal policies with long range plans to bring the federal deficit under control.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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Heineken-Ashi said:

The figures from your Wikipedia article are a decade old.
I am not a macro economist but here are some numbers(if the feds are to be trusted, which I have my doubts)
Financial Statements of the United States Government for the Fiscal Years Ended September 30, 2022, and 2021
from the table

Total net position (34,061.2) for 2022 (29,885.8) for 2021

those numbers are in BILLIONS of dollars if I am not mistaken so 34 trillion in deficit
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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Let me make the assets of the United States quite simple. All the land, minerals, etc under sovereign US control is property of the US. Your house, car, retirement funds, etc can all be seized by the United States if it so desires. A conservative estimate would put that north of $300T to $400T, I went with the Wikipedia number as its lower and people like Wikipedia as a source for the most part.

The US also is in position given our military strength to go out and acquire new assets with minimal investment, again if it so desires.

It can monetize those assets by selling or exploiting them. This power and control is what provides for the credit worthiness of US debt. You may not like this arrangement, but that is how the real world works.

Also consider that much of the debt has been used to pay for things that benefit the United States and its citizens directly. What should concern most people is the money that is borrowed then given to foreign entities. That money is quite stupidly gone. See Ukraine stupidity and Wuhan lab funding for current references.

Finally, for those who continue to worry about the debt, who is going to make us pay it back? The US can cancel all foreign held debt anytime it wants or change the terms of interest and repayments. It's that simple. Foreign entities acquire US debt because it's easy money on the interest.

People fear their own personal bankruptcy because the bank / debt holders have power over you that is backed up by the US government. The US government does not have that problem, and once politicians and so-called economists figured this out, the spending went crazy.

The chickens are not ever coming home to roost so long as the US remains strong. By strong I mean we need to start swinging a much bigger stick around particularly when it comes to China. When it comes to aid we currently provide to others, that needs to stop. When China builds a road in the Congo, they TAKE the minerals from the ground for themselves in return and also exploit the cheap labor. We should be much more like China in our foreign assistance.

Ukraine wants help against the Russians, well, they let us control all their exports and they pay us for that privilege. That's what people should be clamoring for. Not "stacking Russian bodies up", not "standing with brave Zelensky and the most sovereign Ukraine". No, **** that. You want help, we will help you but it comes at a cost - a steep cost - so decide if you want to be Putin's ***** or ours.
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Household Savings Collapse Sparks Recession Fears Among Economists
BY GIULIA CARBONARO ON 7/3/23 AT 11:24 AM EDT

While Americans had built up savings at an unprecedented rate following the pandemic, households are struggling to put money away this yeara trend that has fueled fears among economists of an incoming recession.

During the COVID-19 health emergency, when many across the country were forced into lockdowns and the national economy suffered a shutdown, people's personal savings thrived, with people saving as much as 30 percent of their monthly income and having $2.3 trillion in excess savings between 2020 and 2021, according to the Federal Reserve.

For context, it should be noted that these excess savings were concentrated in the top half of households by income, while many lower-income households struggled to make ends meet.

Three years later, the rate of savings among American households is rapidly falling. In February, the U.S. personal savings rate was estimated to be around 4.6 percentmuch below the decades-long average of about 8.9 percent, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. But what does this mean?

Some economists think that the collapse of household savings could lead to a spending slowdown and trigger a recession. Consumer spending currently represents about 70 percent of the U.S. GDP, a crucial factor influencing the country's economic growth.

"Don't see a Recession? It's Last Call at the bar," tweeted housing analyst Amy Nixon, sharing recent data from Wells Fargo showing how personal savings has collapsed in the U.S. "The smart people have already paid the tab and gone home. The remainder will wake up tomorrow with regrets," she added.

"My intuition and common sense says there's not a bottomless pit of savings to support this level of spending, and there's not a bottomless pit of wage growth to keep it elevated enough to drive GDP indefinitely," Liz Young, head of investment strategy at online bank SoFiYoung, wrote in a recent article about the topic. "Time will tell, but I still believe something's gotta give."

Up until now, the recent growth of inflation and the Federal Reserve's attempts to curtail it by raising the bank's key interest rate in 2022 and this year have not curbed household spending by as much as expected. That's because Americans had a lot of savings accumulated during the years of the health emergency they could burn through.

Now, these savings are starting to dry up, as inflation remains relatively high at 4.05 percent in May despite having cooled down compared to its peak of 9.1 percent in June last year. On top of that, wages haven't grown much at all in recent years, staying much behind inflation.

"U.S. consumers are saving their income at a lower rate than they were pre-pandemic," economist Shannon Seery of Wells Fargo told Newsweek. "This is allowing them to spend more in the near-term, but likely comes at the expense of future growth."

By saving less today, Seery said, "households have been able to continue to spend at elevated rates and that sustained level of demand is helping stave off a U.S. recession." But, she added, "acquiring less in savings will ultimately leave U.S. households more vulnerable to economic shock and could potentially position them worse off during an eventual economic contraction."
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LMCane, I rarely see eye to eye, but you make a great distinction in personal consumerism and financing and that of the US government. People should be focused on individual financial situations and maybe those of their investments / holdings and not what the national debt is or a persons individual / family share of such.

Goes without saying that people should NOT think they can ever spend like the US government has. Been watching BBC / SkyNews last few days and their warning signs are all up for hard times ahead.

I think it's correct that recession has been delayed by excess savings enjoyed in previous years from a booming Trump economy, handouts, restrictions to stay at home, and cheap travel for those who could / would.

People should prepare for some hard times, unless the Dems just push more cash out before 2024. Then people should prepare to bite the pillow.
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U.S. citizens are surviving on record levels of debt.

Credit card debt, according to the Federal Reserve, reached a record high in the first quarter of 2023, while personal savings as a percentage of disposable income remain well below pre-pandemic levels at 4.6%, a massive 44.7% decline from the figure at the end of 2019. Real retail and food service sales bounced after the re-opening of the economy but remain below the April 2022 peak and are down in six of the last seven months.

It is no surprise that the University of Michigan Consumer Sentiment Index is still 40% below the level prior to the COVID crisis slump.

We have to put these poor figures in the context of a so-called "stimulus" that built a federal deficit that surpassed the $7 trillion mark between 2020 and the first quarter of 2023. We often read the MMT nonsense that deficits are reserves for the private sector and a tool for growth and prosperity.

The reality is that American workers are much worse off and need to work harder to make ends meet as the inflationary tax eats away at their savings and wages.

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