If someone who strayed gives their SO a disease because of their straying ways, that ought to be a penalty, maybe even jail time.

People need Jesus!

GeorgiAg said:

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I also love the cherry picking of the bible by ultra right wingers.

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Concubines is not adultery.

It's a service.

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GeorgiAg said:

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I also love the cherry picking of the bible by ultra right wingers.

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Concubines is not adultery.

It's a service.

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its not a bug, its a feature!

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LarryElder said:

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Zarathustra said:

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I'm inclined to believe that legalized prostitution would save a lot of marriages.

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Yep agreed sometimes you just need some strange it's normal for men

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Genuinely curious, if they legalized prostitution sounds like you'd be accepting if married men (perhaps even yourself did it). Do you think it's needed/normal for married women to step out on their husbands with male prostitutes?

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Married women wouldn't need prostitutes. They'd get all they wanted without paying a dime, probably a few drinks out of it too.

I think this attitude would quickly turn a 180 if the wife was getting dicked by her 25 year old "trainer" cause she "needed some strange".

No.

Seriously...how can "supposedly" educated man even consider this question?

Urban Ag said:

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rgag12 said:

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LarryElder said:

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Zarathustra said:

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I'm inclined to believe that legalized prostitution would save a lot of marriages.

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Yep agreed sometimes you just need some strange it's normal for men

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Genuinely curious, if they legalized prostitution sounds like you'd be accepting if married men (perhaps even yourself did it). Do you think it's needed/normal for married women to step out on their husbands with male prostitutes?

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Married women wouldn't need prostitutes. They'd get all they wanted without paying a dime, probably a few drinks out of it too.

I think this attitude would quickly turn a 180 if the wife was getting dicked by her 25 year old "trainer" cause she "needed some strange".

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Women and men cheat for entirely different reason we are wired completely different you seem to not understand this

rgag12 said:

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LarryElder said:

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Zarathustra said:

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I'm inclined to believe that legalized prostitution would save a lot of marriages.

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Yep agreed sometimes you just need some strange it's normal for men

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Genuinely curious, if they legalized prostitution sounds like you'd be accepting if married men (perhaps even yourself did it). Do you think it's needed/normal for married women to step out on their husbands with male prostitutes?

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First off, I don't agree with the reply from LE.

In your scenario, It's already established that society wouldn't judge a woman for cheating if her husband was withholding sex from her.

LarryElder said:

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Urban Ag said:

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rgag12 said:

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LarryElder said:

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Zarathustra said:

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I'm inclined to believe that legalized prostitution would save a lot of marriages.

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Yep agreed sometimes you just need some strange it's normal for men

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Genuinely curious, if they legalized prostitution sounds like you'd be accepting if married men (perhaps even yourself did it). Do you think it's needed/normal for married women to step out on their husbands with male prostitutes?

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Married women wouldn't need prostitutes. They'd get all they wanted without paying a dime, probably a few drinks out of it too.

I think this attitude would quickly turn a 180 if the wife was getting dicked by her 25 year old "trainer" cause she "needed some strange".

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Women and men cheat for entirely different reason we are wired completely different you seem to not understand this

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This. Joe Rogan had a great podcast on this very subject

Urban Ag said:

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rgag12 said:

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LarryElder said:

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Zarathustra said:

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I'm inclined to believe that legalized prostitution would save a lot of marriages.

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Yep agreed sometimes you just need some strange it's normal for men

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Genuinely curious, if they legalized prostitution sounds like you'd be accepting if married men (perhaps even yourself did it). Do you think it's needed/normal for married women to step out on their husbands with male prostitutes?

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Married women wouldn't need prostitutes. They'd get all they wanted without paying a dime, probably a few drinks out of it too.

I think this attitude would quickly turn a 180 if the wife was getting dicked by her 25 year old "trainer" cause she "needed some strange".

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Yea that's kind of what I was getting at. I was curious if the people who are in favor of legalized prostitution because married men need some, ahem, variety then would they be ok with their wives getting the same kind of variety (paid or unpaid).

I too have a sneaking suspicion that most men wouldn't be in favor of their wives sleeping around even if it meant they were afforded the same opportunity.

Zarathustra said:

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rgag12 said:

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LarryElder said:

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Zarathustra said:

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I'm inclined to believe that legalized prostitution would save a lot of marriages.

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Yep agreed sometimes you just need some strange it's normal for men

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Genuinely curious, if they legalized prostitution sounds like you'd be accepting if married men (perhaps even yourself did it). Do you think it's needed/normal for married women to step out on their husbands with male prostitutes?

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First off, I don't agree with the reply from LE.

In your scenario, It's already established that society wouldn't judge a woman for cheating if her husband was withholding sex from her.

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Lol men withholding sex from women

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Zarathustra said:

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rgag12 said:

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LarryElder said:

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Zarathustra said:

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I'm inclined to believe that legalized prostitution would save a lot of marriages.

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Yep agreed sometimes you just need some strange it's normal for men

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Genuinely curious, if they legalized prostitution sounds like you'd be accepting if married men (perhaps even yourself did it). Do you think it's needed/normal for married women to step out on their husbands with male prostitutes?

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First off, I don't agree with the reply from LE.

In your scenario, It's already established that society wouldn't judge a woman for cheating if her husband was withholding sex from her.

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Lol men withholding sex from women

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Exactly. That's why there's not a man alive that would fault her. It's a double standard, that's just the way it is.

If your wife is fat not looking how she did when you married her dudes will withhold sex

LarryElder said:

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Urban Ag said:

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rgag12 said:

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LarryElder said:

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Zarathustra said:

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I'm inclined to believe that legalized prostitution would save a lot of marriages.

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Yep agreed sometimes you just need some strange it's normal for men

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Genuinely curious, if they legalized prostitution sounds like you'd be accepting if married men (perhaps even yourself did it). Do you think it's needed/normal for married women to step out on their husbands with male prostitutes?

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Married women wouldn't need prostitutes. They'd get all they wanted without paying a dime, probably a few drinks out of it too.

I think this attitude would quickly turn a 180 if the wife was getting dicked by her 25 year old "trainer" cause she "needed some strange".

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Women and men cheat for entirely different reason we are wired completely different you seem to not understand this

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I understand it better than you have any clue. Doesn't change one thing I posted.

Turnabout is fair play. If the man gets some outside of the marriage there is no reason the woman shouldn't as well. "Reasons" have nothing to do with that.

Again, I find it very hard to believe that the same guys that rationalize men cheating would be okay knowing some other guy was pounding his wife behind his back. Maybe that works for you, I'm not judging.

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Urban Ag said:

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rgag12 said:

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LarryElder said:

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Zarathustra said:

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I'm inclined to believe that legalized prostitution would save a lot of marriages.

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Yep agreed sometimes you just need some strange it's normal for men

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Genuinely curious, if they legalized prostitution sounds like you'd be accepting if married men (perhaps even yourself did it). Do you think it's needed/normal for married women to step out on their husbands with male prostitutes?

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Married women wouldn't need prostitutes. They'd get all they wanted without paying a dime, probably a few drinks out of it too.

I think this attitude would quickly turn a 180 if the wife was getting dicked by her 25 year old "trainer" cause she "needed some strange".

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Yea that's kind of what I was getting at. I was curious if the people who are in favor of legalized prostitution because married men need some, ahem, variety then would they be ok with their wives getting the same kind of variety (paid or unpaid).

I too have a sneaking suspicion that most men wouldn't be in favor of their wives sleeping around even if it meant they were afforded the same opportunity.

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But...

VARIETY is the spice of life!!!

Yes it should be illegal and if proven then the other person should forfeit all assets in a divorce if the spouse pushes for it.

I also think it should be punishable with prison time.

No fault divorce should be 100% eliminated and divorces should be much harder to obtain. Adultery and physical abuse of the spouse or children should be the only reasons. Fault in the case of a divorce should have criminal trial level requirements for proof of guilt. Otherwise it would be far too easy to fake it, as is often the case for civil trials. Basically, fault would need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and heresay or eyewitness testimony would not be valid.

rgag12 said:

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Urban Ag said:

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rgag12 said:

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LarryElder said:

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Zarathustra said:

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I'm inclined to believe that legalized prostitution would save a lot of marriages.

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Yep agreed sometimes you just need some strange it's normal for men

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Genuinely curious, if they legalized prostitution sounds like you'd be accepting if married men (perhaps even yourself did it). Do you think it's needed/normal for married women to step out on their husbands with male prostitutes?

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Married women wouldn't need prostitutes. They'd get all they wanted without paying a dime, probably a few drinks out of it too.

I think this attitude would quickly turn a 180 if the wife was getting dicked by her 25 year old "trainer" cause she "needed some strange".

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Yea that's kind of what I was getting at. I was curious if the people who are in favor of legalized prostitution because married men need some, ahem, variety then would they be ok with their wives getting the same kind of variety (paid or unpaid).

I too have a sneaking suspicion that most men wouldn't be in favor of their wives sleeping around even if it meant they were afforded the same opportunity.

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I wasn't advocating for "variety". I was advocating out of necessity when a wife withholds from the husband. Most wives who lost interest would probably be okay with it on a dont ask dont tell basis.

It should have consequences - but not be illegal.

Shouldn't be illegal; as it already comes with consequences.

It should be stated that the dissolution of unions is a bad thing, especially marriages. Moving away from traditional marriage has brought the country into a new sexual era, where deviant behavior is encouraged by politicians, doctors, and school teachers (all in positions of TRUST).

Below is an excerpt from a news article to show how far down the slope we have slid (imo society goes up & down the slope, or maybe it's a pendulum):

Four children were found hidden in a home where first responders came across alcohol, drugs, sex toys, and a dead body.

Men dressed as women all denied to first responders that there were children in the home, but four kids were found in a back bedroom, the Boston Herald reported.

OP can collect all the data he wants, but in the end if you're on the titanic, it does you no good to play games.

So are we going back to stoning? "Cause I could get into a good stoning. We could have those right after yell practice at home games. Might hurt recruiting a bit, tho.

Not taking a side on this, but I really hate the condescending way that Dick Wolf-type primetime dramas deal with adultery in the military. They'll wring their hands over the fact that the UCMJ "still" forbids adultery, as though the obvious civilized thing to do is to start allowing cheating, and then drive some ridiculous plot with it.

My battalion had some adultery prosecutions. Believe me, it's better to let the military courts handle it than for a soldier to shoot his buddy in the back for tagging his wife.

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So are we going back to stoning? "Cause I could get into a good stoning. We could have those right after yell practice at home games. Might hurt recruiting a bit, tho.

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Beat you to that reference (complete with the LoB reference).

You CMs are SO slow...

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GeorgiAg said:

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So are we going back to stoning? "Cause I could get into a good stoning. We could have those right after yell practice at home games. Might hurt recruiting a bit, tho.

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Beat you to that reference (complete with the LoB reference).

You CMs are SO slow...

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Haha. Yes you did. With the video too. Great scene.

GeorgiAg said:

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Ag with kids said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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So are we going back to stoning? "Cause I could get into a good stoning. We could have those right after yell practice at home games. Might hurt recruiting a bit, tho.

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Beat you to that reference (complete with the LoB reference).

You CMs are SO slow...

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Haha. Yes you did. With the video too. Great scene.

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One of my favorite movies...

Urban Ag said:

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LarryElder said:

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If you believe it is right to have sex with anyone other than your wife then you are disgusting

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It's programmed in men to speed their seed if men didn't cheat there would be virtually no humans on earth

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Top 10 dumbest posts I have ever read on F16.

Please back this up with some numbers. Do some math. LMAO.

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I mean the response was ineloquent at best, and horribly wrong about "virtually no humans", that said "Sperm Competition" is well documented in studies by evolutionary biologists and there is quite a bit of science behind the study of how humans reproduce that conclude that infidelity has in fact evolved in several types of monogamous animals including humans. And it isn't just males cheating but females too, at a biological level, and the need to mate with genetically superior humans to create the best offspring.

Sperm War study in the National Medical Library - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22984191/

As for infidelity being illegal, I am conservative/libertarian at heart and think government shouldn't even be involved in marriage, must less infidelity and the idea of more laws in our private life is absurd. People in here projecting their fear of their spouse's or their own infidelity's into laws is one step closer to authoritarianism. We don't need to make laws based on our insecurities mmmk?

Zarathustra said:

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rgag12 said:

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Urban Ag said:

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rgag12 said:

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LarryElder said:

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Zarathustra said:

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I'm inclined to believe that legalized prostitution would save a lot of marriages.

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Yep agreed sometimes you just need some strange it's normal for men

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Genuinely curious, if they legalized prostitution sounds like you'd be accepting if married men (perhaps even yourself did it). Do you think it's needed/normal for married women to step out on their husbands with male prostitutes?

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Married women wouldn't need prostitutes. They'd get all they wanted without paying a dime, probably a few drinks out of it too.

I think this attitude would quickly turn a 180 if the wife was getting dicked by her 25 year old "trainer" cause she "needed some strange".

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Yea that's kind of what I was getting at. I was curious if the people who are in favor of legalized prostitution because married men need some, ahem, variety then would they be ok with their wives getting the same kind of variety (paid or unpaid).

I too have a sneaking suspicion that most men wouldn't be in favor of their wives sleeping around even if it meant they were afforded the same opportunity.

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I wasn't advocating for "variety". I was advocating out of necessity when a wife withholds from the husband. Most wives who lost interest would probably be okay with it on a dont ask dont tell basis.

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Disagree. Most couples I have known of where the wife cut the husband off were failed or failing marriages and it was a tactic to bring on the dissolution. I can say I have only known of one couple where the wife was okay with her husband running around (long story) but that's an anomaly as far I know.

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Yes it should be illegal and if proven then the other person should forfeit all assets in a divorce if the spouse pushes for it.

I also think it should be punishable with prison time.

No fault divorce should be 100% eliminated and divorces should be much harder to obtain. Adultery and physical abuse of the spouse or children should be the only reasons. Fault in the case of a divorce should have criminal trial level requirements for proof of guilt. Otherwise it would be far too easy to fake it, as is often the case for civil trials. Basically, fault would need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and heresay or eyewitness testimony would not be valid.

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So mental abuse and the terror that brings is completely cool with you?

Is that aimed at me? I didn't once mention supporting any new laws on this topic. And don't. I think if you cheat you should end up losing big in the impending divorce, but it shouldn't be illegal.

Nanomachines son said:

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Yes it should be illegal and if proven then the other person should forfeit all assets in a divorce if the spouse pushes for it.

I also think it should be punishable with prison time.

No fault divorce should be 100% eliminated and divorces should be much harder to obtain. Adultery and physical abuse of the spouse or children should be the only reasons. Fault in the case of a divorce should have criminal trial level requirements for proof of guilt. Otherwise it would be far too easy to fake it, as is often the case for civil trials. Basically, fault would need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and heresay or eyewitness testimony would not be valid.

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This is a good way to ensure that people don't get married and just shack up instead...

Nope.

Whoever is in charge of enforcing such a law would disproportionately punish the opposite sex.

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Nanomachines son said:

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Yes it should be illegal and if proven then the other person should forfeit all assets in a divorce if the spouse pushes for it.

I also think it should be punishable with prison time.

No fault divorce should be 100% eliminated and divorces should be much harder to obtain. Adultery and physical abuse of the spouse or children should be the only reasons. Fault in the case of a divorce should have criminal trial level requirements for proof of guilt. Otherwise it would be far too easy to fake it, as is often the case for civil trials. Basically, fault would need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and heresay or eyewitness testimony would not be valid.

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This is a good way to ensure that people don't get married and just shack up instead...

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Agreed. That's why this is stupid. If you somehow managed to get rid of no fault divorce or even more stupidly make adultery punishable by jail time expect marriage rates to plummet.

But again this is just a dumb thread we do on Texags every few weeks to stoke up the ultra orthodox fanbase. It's never going to happen because it's a terrible idea and any legislator that voted for it would be committing political suicide.

****in

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Yes it should be illegal and if proven then the other person should forfeit all assets in a divorce if the spouse pushes for it.

I also think it should be punishable with prison time.

No fault divorce should be 100% eliminated and divorces should be much harder to obtain. Adultery and physical abuse of the spouse or children should be the only reasons. Fault in the case of a divorce should have criminal trial level requirements for proof of guilt. Otherwise it would be far too easy to fake it, as is often the case for civil trials. Basically, fault would need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and heresay or eyewitness testimony would not be valid.

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So mental abuse and the terror that brings is completely cool with you?

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"My feelings got hurt," can never be proven in a court of law. Emotional abuse has never been considered a criminal unless it was also accompanied by physical abuse.

Emotional abuse is rarely ever done by itself in a vacuum with zero physical abuse, not even by women.

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Nanomachines son said:

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Yes it should be illegal and if proven then the other person should forfeit all assets in a divorce if the spouse pushes for it.

I also think it should be punishable with prison time.

No fault divorce should be 100% eliminated and divorces should be much harder to obtain. Adultery and physical abuse of the spouse or children should be the only reasons. Fault in the case of a divorce should have criminal trial level requirements for proof of guilt. Otherwise it would be far too easy to fake it, as is often the case for civil trials. Basically, fault would need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and heresay or eyewitness testimony would not be valid.

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This is a good way to ensure that people don't get married and just shack up instead...

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It's a good way to ensure the only people who get married are those doing it for religious purposes. I don't care what atheists or agnostics do, they aren't really married anyway, they merely have a legal contract for tax purposes.

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Yes it should be illegal and if proven then the other person should forfeit all assets in a divorce if the spouse pushes for it.

I also think it should be punishable with prison time.

No fault divorce should be 100% eliminated and divorces should be much harder to obtain. Adultery and physical abuse of the spouse or children should be the only reasons. Fault in the case of a divorce should have criminal trial level requirements for proof of guilt. Otherwise it would be far too easy to fake it, as is often the case for civil trials. Basically, fault would need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and heresay or eyewitness testimony would not be valid.

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So mental abuse and the terror that brings is completely cool with you?

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"My feelings got hurt," can never be proven in a court of law. Emotional abuse has never been considered a criminal unless it was also accompanied by physical abuse.

Emotional abuse is rarely ever done by itself in a vacuum with zero physical abuse, not even by women.

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People are awarded damages for pain and suffering regularly, and we criminalize all kinds of things we perceive to cause emotional damage. Stalking and public lewdness are crimes for example.

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Is that aimed at me? I didn't once mention supporting any new laws on this topic. And don't. I think if you cheat you should end up losing big in the impending divorce, but it shouldn't be illegal.

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You claimed to back up the numbers, I was just stating that biologically speaking, an evolutionary reproductive strategy is infidelity, which I *think* is what the poster was trying to say.

The second half of my response was not directed at you at all, completely agreed on that point.