Were the gunshot noises stress cracks happening with the carbon fiber?Throwout said:
Crazy story here by 60 Minutes. Specifically the fact that the sub would make loud gunshot-like noises every few minutes. Sounding more and more like this guy had a death wish and wanted it to happen in a way that he was immortalized.
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That would be my assumption. Or something similar with the sub. I'm no expert, but I'm guessing that you don't want to have loud gunshot noises coming from a small vessel like this when you're on the bottom of the ocean.
I don't think he had a death wish, but was a guy who likely saw himself as a renegade and was not anywhere near as smart as he thought he was.
Even U.S. military subs make noises as they descend.
But still, this thing was a walking maintenance and failure nightmare.
But still, this thing was a walking maintenance and failure nightmare.
Things move against other things as they compress. Even the sun making your house expand will cause pops.
That movement is what fails the CF binder in compression. Carbon fibers in tension are incredibly strong, but in compression it's like pushing a rope. Only this rope is cured in thermoplastic.
That movement is what fails the CF binder in compression. Carbon fibers in tension are incredibly strong, but in compression it's like pushing a rope. Only this rope is cured in thermoplastic.
The sun also causes global warming.TexasRebel said:
Things move against other things as they compress. Even the sun making your house expand will cause pops.
I'm starting to see a pattern here.
Delamination of composite sandwich panels (due to buckling) sounds like a gun shot. It's a bad thing on unmanned space ships, even worse on subsea pressure hulls.n_touch said:Were the gunshot noises stress cracks happening with the carbon fiber?Throwout said:
Crazy story here by 60 Minutes. Specifically the fact that the sub would make loud gunshot-like noises every few minutes. Sounding more and more like this guy had a death wish and wanted it to happen in a way that he was immortalized.
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NASAg03 said:Delamination of composite sandwich panels (due to buckling) sounds like a gun shot. It's a bad thing on unmanned space ships, even worse on subsea pressure hulls.n_touch said:Were the gunshot noises stress cracks happening with the carbon fiber?Throwout said:
Crazy story here by 60 Minutes. Specifically the fact that the sub would make loud gunshot-like noises every few minutes. Sounding more and more like this guy had a death wish and wanted it to happen in a way that he was immortalized.
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The 60 Minutes video is beyond damning. I cannot imagine those last few moments that far underwater.n_touch said:Were the gunshot noises stress cracks happening with the carbon fiber?Throwout said:
Crazy story here by 60 Minutes. Specifically the fact that the sub would make loud gunshot-like noises every few minutes. Sounding more and more like this guy had a death wish and wanted it to happen in a way that he was immortalized.
60 Minutes Sub Story
So they are used to hearing some cracking and popping, but whatever they heard as it started to go made them send an SOS to the mother ship. Wow.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."
It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
https://instagr.am/p/CtwgeDLsrit
Still blows my mind how overconfident this guy sounds.
But this sort of intentional dumbassery has infected every corner of business and government. It's been a slow drip for 30-years but has accelerated exponentially over the past three.
Still blows my mind how overconfident this guy sounds.
But this sort of intentional dumbassery has infected every corner of business and government. It's been a slow drip for 30-years but has accelerated exponentially over the past three.
My late Mother used to say, "You can see how much God values money, when you look at whom was allowed to have a lot of it."Quote:
But this sort of intentional dumbassery has infected every corner of business and government. It's been a slow drip for 30-years but has accelerated exponentially over the past three.
I came across this and thought it needed to go somewhere, so I'm putting it here. It's short so watch to the end.
Simulation shows what happens to human body in a submersible implosion pic.twitter.com/yJvUMCzlWp
— Insane Reality Leaks (@InsaneRealitys) August 12, 2023
That instantaneous and complete? Quick and painless.
Beats getting old and dying a slow humiliating incontinent death where other people have to take care of you 24/7.
Worse ways to die, just sayin'.
Beats getting old and dying a slow humiliating incontinent death where other people have to take care of you 24/7.
Worse ways to die, just sayin'.
I thought this thing was going to have no effect on my company-- wrong!!!
It's insurance renewal time and premiums are up by 3X, plus we have to ensure all passengers have their own policy and obtain a waiver against our insurance company.
Thanks, Oceangate idiots.
It's insurance renewal time and premiums are up by 3X, plus we have to ensure all passengers have their own policy and obtain a waiver against our insurance company.
Thanks, Oceangate idiots.
This anecdote from the 1960 first Mariana Trench dive makes my butt clench even sitting here on land. I think if that had been me it wouldn't matter if it imploded or not because I would have died of a heart attack anyway, haha!
The descent to the ocean floor took 4 hours 47 minutes at a descent rate of 0.9 metres per second (3.2 km/h; 2.0 mph).After passing 9,000 metres (30,000 ft), one of the outer Plexiglas window panes cracked, shaking the entire vessel.
The descent to the ocean floor took 4 hours 47 minutes at a descent rate of 0.9 metres per second (3.2 km/h; 2.0 mph).After passing 9,000 metres (30,000 ft), one of the outer Plexiglas window panes cracked, shaking the entire vessel.
"A parachute not opening… that's a way to die. Getting caught in the gears of a combine… having your nuts bit off by a Laplander, that's the way I wanna go!"aggiehawg said:
That instantaneous and complete? Quick and painless.
Beats getting old and dying a slow humiliating incontinent death where other people have to take care of you 24/7.
Worse ways to die, just sayin'.
Lt. Frank Drebin
Had a kids dad come in for career day one time who worked in deepwater for Shell. They would put styrofoam cups in a mesh bag and tie it to the outside of their submersibles. When it came back up the styrofoam cups was crushed like a Shrinky-dink. Never forget that. Now back to you regularly scheduled programming.
Wow. Thanks for posting that.Just an Ag said:
I came across this and thought it needed to go somewhere, so I'm putting it here. It's short so watch to the end.Simulation shows what happens to human body in a submersible implosion pic.twitter.com/yJvUMCzlWp
— Insane Reality Leaks (@InsaneRealitys) August 12, 2023
I've got a whole shelf of them. Got them from every project I ever worked on.
Took this photo when I visited JAMSTEC (Japan) and got to see their 6,500 m submersible in person.
https://www.jamstec.go.jp/e/about/equipment/ships/shinkai6500.html
https://www.jamstec.go.jp/e/about/equipment/ships/shinkai6500.html
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/08/titan-submersible-implosion-warnings/amp
A lot of what we already know, but I didn't know that Rush got entangled for hours on the wreckage of the "Andrea Doria."
A lot of what we already know, but I didn't know that Rush got entangled for hours on the wreckage of the "Andrea Doria."
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As chief pilot and the person responsible for operational safety, Lochridge had created a dive plan that included protocols for how to approach the wreck. Any entanglement hazard demands caution and vigilance: touching down at least 50 meters away and surveying the site before coming any closer. Rush disregarded these safety instructions. He landed too close, got tangled in the current, managed to wedge the sub beneath the Andrea Doria's crumbling bow, and descended into a full-blown panic. Lochridge tried to take the helm, but Rush had refused to let him, melting down for over an hour until finally one of the clients shrieked, "Give him the ****ing controller!" At which point Rush hurled the controller, a video-game joystick, at Lochridge's head. Lochridge freed the sub in 15 minutes.
The expedition had been planned to include 10 dives, but instead it ended abruptly, with OceanGate citing "adverse weather conditions." After returning to shore in Boston, Rush held a press conference. "We were able to view the Andrea Doria area for nearly four hours, which is more than 10 times longer than scuba divers can," he announced. The dive, OceanGate's website noted, had "focused on the bow of the vessel."
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At which point Rush hurled the controller, a video-game joystick, at Lochridge's head.
And this was only at a depth of 160 FEET. Not 12K feet.
This guy was a clown. Miracle he didnt die years ago.
This guy was a clown. Miracle he didnt die years ago.
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Well I guess he died doing just that. It's just sad he had to take other innocent people with him.Quote:
Stockton Rush touted himself as a maverick, a disrupter, a breaker of rules. So far out on the visionary curve that, for him, safety regulations were mere suggestions. "If you're not breaking things, you're not innovating," he declared at the 2022 GeekWire Summit.
Seeing that article and Rush's reactions to anyone who criticized his process reads like the script for a movie like The Wolf of Wall Street or I, Tonya.
aggiehawg said:
That instantaneous and complete? Quick and painless.
Beats getting old and dying a slow humiliating incontinent death where other people have to take care of you 24/7.
Worse ways to die, just sayin'.
So you're saying once you turn 85, get into a death trap?
Or are you all for missing tons of amazing memories because of something completely preventable?
Found an interesting animation to demonstrate just what happened to the fated crew. I know we've seen several, but this one was fairly elaborate. It's kinda similar to a video above, but with more detail.
There was also a scathing rebuke of the design posted in the UK's Royal Institution of Naval Architects. It's short but sweet. Note that no safety factor was included in their wall thickness. As we already knew, this thing was a predictable failure bound to happen.
https://rina.org.uk/publications/the-naval-architect/cyclops-class-the-tragic-cost-of-entrusting-non-professionals/
Has anyone seen anything from the employees that worked on the sub since the implosion? I've looked but have not found anything.
There was also a scathing rebuke of the design posted in the UK's Royal Institution of Naval Architects. It's short but sweet. Note that no safety factor was included in their wall thickness. As we already knew, this thing was a predictable failure bound to happen.
https://rina.org.uk/publications/the-naval-architect/cyclops-class-the-tragic-cost-of-entrusting-non-professionals/
Ouch.Quote:
Adding insult to injury
The term 'engineer' is widely used for non-professional engineers. However, only professional engineers subscribe to a 'Gold-Standard' of practice that ensures ethical and honest operations. Professionalism acting on the basis of adequate knowledge, exceedingly high-quality standards, sustainability and environmental protection and, most of all, public safety are all placed before profit and the ego of non-professional engineers setting out to prove that the 'Gold-Standard' is not required and does not apply to them or their operations which is plainly wrong and should not be permitted through legislation.
Has anyone seen anything from the employees that worked on the sub since the implosion? I've looked but have not found anything.
I, for one, am looking forward to the day when it is once again socially acceptable for someone else to wipe my ass.aggiehawg said:
That instantaneous and complete? Quick and painless.
Beats getting old and dying a slow humiliating incontinent death where other people have to take care of you 24/7.
Worse ways to die, just sayin'.
The game controller in that animation was a nice touch.
That link is great.
they got spaghettified.
This billionaire will do it right y'all.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/28/science/titanic-submersible-ohio-billionaire.html
Maybe.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/28/science/titanic-submersible-ohio-billionaire.html
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Larry Connor, 74, who made his wealth in real estate, said he's building a new acrylic-hulled submersible that will be certified and rigorously tested to show that deep sea exploration is safe.
Maybe.
Trump will fix it.
That looks like a stapler outta sharper image catalog
I will say, he claims it's for research not tourism and the thing only holds two people. He's got a good reputation in the field, too.
Trump will fix it.
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