[/url]As someone mentioned earlier, at this point, seems like the humane thing to do would be to find a way to get explosives in proximity and detonate. I'll eat crow if I am wrong, but there is no way to get that thing up in time, assuming they are even alive still.SPI-FlatsCatter 84 said:
So, does the USCG have a winch and 12,000 feet of cable to pull it up?
What are the options IF they find it in the next few hours?
I mean, which is caused by the pressure.Ag_of_08 said:
It's n9t the pressure pushing you down, it's the rapid compression of gasses in your BCD and body that cause the buoyancy variance.
BG Knocc Out said:As someone mentioned earlier, at this point, seems like the humane thing to do would be to find a way to get explosives in proximity and detonate. I'll eat crow if I am wrong, but there is no way to get that thing up in time, assuming they are even alive still.SPI-FlatsCatter 84 said:
So, does the USCG have a winch and 12,000 feet of cable to pull it up?
What are the options IF they find it in the next few hours?
I cannot imagine how horrific that fate must be if they were trapped inside together at the bottom of the ocean with no handgun to off themselves. I am hoping for their sake, assuming they cannot be rescued, that it was a structural failure that resulted in instant death for all aboard. Assuming you'd get squashed like a bug immediately at those depths.
Its a great way to send a signal of intelligence. If you just beat on the hull like crazy for minutes on end or randomly you could come off sounding like something natural in the ocean.Quincey P. Morris said:
I saw a video clip claiming the banging is coming at regular intervals that are something navies teach. I have no idea if that's actually true.
A documentary on the missing Titanic tourist submarine titled ‘Titanic Sub: Lost at Sea’ will air this Thursday on the UK’s Channel 5. pic.twitter.com/Jl4ssHAzEE
— Pop Base (@PopBase) June 21, 2023
They have no positioning information to go down to the wreck with any precision so each dive is a crap shoot. It's not implausible that they could descend down in low visibility and tag the sub on top of the wreckage if this is actually the case.Anonymous Source said:That's true. There was a point in one trip...before the reporter took his...where they were just adrift for 2 1/2 hours, according to one of the passengers.chase128 said:
They lost communication with the surface during the dive that made it down to the Titantic right?
Sorry I can't watch the video right now.
NPH- said:
Sound data heard from yesterday and this morning is so far inconclusive.
Searching in the areas where the sound was heard, but Coast Guard reminded the media that there are many vessels in the area assisting with the search, and it is a very real possibility that it could have been one of those making the noise.
that was fastMarathonAg12 said:
Documentary on all of this will be air tomorrowA documentary on the missing Titanic tourist submarine titled ‘Titanic Sub: Lost at Sea’ will air this Thursday on the UK’s Channel 5. pic.twitter.com/Jl4ssHAzEE
— Pop Base (@PopBase) June 21, 2023
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This is a place that only three people have visited before and only as one-offs. According to Triton, the Triton 36000/2 has been tested at the Krylov State Research Center in St. Petersburg, Russia to 20,305 psi (1,382 atmospheres), as well as on deep dives in the Bahamas. It has a pressure safety factor at least 20 percent greater than it will ever encounter. In addition, it can go to those depths repeatedly on trips of over 16 hours including the 2.5 hour descent. Triton claims that this repeatability is a world first for manned submersibles operating that such depths.
pdc093 said:
Isn't tomorrow their 'end of oxygen' day?
Jesus. I pray their suffering is minimal, if at all.
🚨 BREAKING: The US Coast Guard has just reported even MORE “banging noises” via P-3 Orion surveillance aircraft but still cannot confirm the source is the lost Titanic submersible.
— Nick Sortor (@nicksortor) June 21, 2023
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Don't want to pretend I am an engineer. No doubt it would be expensive and possibly impractical. Even if it had limited ability to pick up the sub though and was just a thin cable it would solve the location issue. Just seems nuts to me to have a sub like this down there with no real safety plan to extract it or locate it.Anonymous Source said:The thing about cables is, the stronger they are, the thicker they are.aggie93 said:I've only been lightly following this story as I think it is sad but not really something that matters much in the grand scheme. I look at it the same way as doing any other risky activity and think it is cool but dangerous and sometimes that ends badly. Hope they somehow are saved, just a terrible way to die.cbr said:Yes, but that was a nearly decade long hundred billion dollar project in todays dollars….run by elite 50 year old white dudes, that failed to recover much of the sub.JABQ04 said:
I'd imagine they hope it could go down and somehow attach a cable to the Titan and have it hauled up
A very neat and not well known but of American deep sea operations was project Azorian where we were able to retrieve a large section of a Russian nuclear sub that sank in the Pacific in the 70s. Granted the whole Project also took like 6 or 7 years from inception to execution. The sun was almost 3 miles down.
This wouldnt be secret and much smaller, but the details of that project illustrate the difficulties
That said, has it been mentioned that it would seem a basic safety measure would be to simply connect the sub to a cable to begin with? I mean they aren't going inside the hull of the Titanic and you could always set it up to cut away if need be. It just seems like a cable would allow for them to be pulled to the surface pretty easily in a circumstance like this and they aren't going to go that far from the ship. It would certainly need to be a very long cable but not especially thick, just strong. That would have made all of this moot.
Sub weighs 23,000 pounds and if it's where they think it is, it's over two miles down. That's a ****load of heavy cable.
fka ftc said:
Still pinging on the Triton reference (now a ghost in this thread, other one is locked)
This article is dated and lists it at $48million and notes it was tested to 20,000 feet in Russia and has made other deep dives.
Seems like if the Triton was ready for prime time it would be on duty going places to Titanic. Makes me think that it may not be ready for commercial production or the limitation of 2 crew, one of whom has to be trained / skilled to drive the thing may have resulted in Oceangate being an "alternative".
https://www.fanaticalfuturist.com/2018/11/tritons-48million-submarine-takes-the-super-rich-to-the-bottom-of-the-deepest-ocean/Quote:
This is a place that only three people have visited before and only as one-offs. According to Triton, the Triton 36000/2 has been tested at the Krylov State Research Center in St. Petersburg, Russia to 20,305 psi (1,382 atmospheres), as well as on deep dives in the Bahamas. It has a pressure safety factor at least 20 percent greater than it will ever encounter. In addition, it can go to those depths repeatedly on trips of over 16 hours including the 2.5 hour descent. Triton claims that this repeatability is a world first for manned submersibles operating that such depths.
Safety plan would be to drop ballast and surface. So whatever happened resulted in this not being available - either implosion, stuck on floor / wreck, or power failure / malfunction that prevented the ballast from being dropped.aggie93 said:
Don't want to pretend I am an engineer. No doubt it would be expensive and possibly impractical. Even if it had limited ability to pick up the sub though and was just a thin cable it would solve the location issue. Just seems nuts to me to have a sub like this down there with no real safety plan to extract it or locate it.
Anonymous Source said:That's true. There was a point in one trip...before the reporter took his...where they were just adrift for 2 1/2 hours, according to one of the passengers.chase128 said:
They lost communication with the surface during the dive that made it down to the Titantic right?
Sorry I can't watch the video right now.
Yeah even if they are somehow found alive, there is simply no way to retrieve them from the bottom of the ocean.Lake08 said:
So 3 scenarios, imo
At bottom of ocean (screwed)
Tangled in the wreckage (screwed)
Floating on top (best scenario)
From a practical standpoint, I think the trip down takes at least a few hours and I would imagine a trip up would be longer, so time is becoming extremely scarce.nai06 said:
As far as rescue efforts go:
L'Atalante is French-operated ship heading to the scene with an ROV that can operate at depth of Titanic wreckage. The Rov is connected to ship via a cable for power and control. It's expected to arrive sometime today.
The Horizon Arctic is also en route. It's a large commercial vessel loaded with winch system.
I think the idea is that the ROV could potentially either pull the submersible up itself or attach a cable to it and allow it to be winched up.
Either way they are quickly running out of time.
