Bunk Moreland said:

---

We're teetering on the edge of a "Hitler also had good ideas too" post on this thread.

---

Hitler wasn't mind ****ed by the CIA as a child. Noone attempted to intentionally turn Hitler into a psychopath.

The above was done to Kazsinsky. Doesn't excuse what he did. However it does indict the CIA and make them culpable for the results of their mind experiments. It also makes Kazsinksy a victim.

Kazsinsky is evil and twisted. The CIA intentionally turned Kazsinsky into a monster. Kazsinksky was a victim of a large unaccountable government agency who liked to play with people because they could.

All three can be true at once.

So I keep seeing the 'It was the CIA fault' on this thread, and of course since this is the Politics board I expect a bunch of entertaining nonsense….I had to Google why on earth some posters were obsessed with that.

So this guy once a week over a three year period volunteered to go to some office for some Harvard psychological stress test research study and somebody else 'verbally abused and humiliated him', and that made him into the Unabomber?

LOL that is so stupid of an excuse. I was married to my ex-wife for SEVEN YEARS in a horrible psychologically tormenting marriage with someone who intimately knew me and every mind trick button to push near EVERY DAY in my twenties, and I did not start killing people. Not even the ex-wife. Get the F*** out of here with poor Ted and his once a week bad-therapist chats at Harvard. Let's see him married to my ex-wife instead.

Or how about when I was in the Corps and was getting yelled at and verbally abused by the that mean old Pisshead every day? How come I didn't go Full Metal Jacket?

I bet there are literally hundreds of millions of people in the U.S. who at some time went through psychologically stressful situations beyond Teddy's Harvard study participation and are not murdering people. But let's excuse poor Teddy's mental illness on CIA.

But I love stuff like that posted here. Folks keep it going. Is why I keep occasionally browse this board and click around to amuse myself.

C@LAg said:

---

Ed Harley said:

---

Do we really have people here sympathizing with a mass murderer? Unbelievable.

---

well Biden's covid plan did kill millions. and yes, there are people on this site who sympathize with biden.

---

Don't derail the thread. But keep defending a serial killer if you want.

the Harvard Study that this guy participated in, Googled info says no drugs were involved. Just him going to an office once-a-week to be 'verbally abused and humiliated'.

Cry me a River, toxic office, marriage, or family situations with plenty of verbal abuse abound in life.

How many other Harvard students who participated in that same study became serial killers? None?

Yet some posters on this are absolutely running away on exaggerating the importance of that study on Unabomber formation…with no evidence. Probably Because, it's a cool topic. They have apparently even made thriller movies about MKUltra!

But this is…TexAgs…so of course the CIA did it.

Pumpkinhead said:

---

YouBet said:

---

Brittmoore Car Club said:

---

Ags4DaWin said:

---

Waffledynamics said:

---

The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

---

Life expectancy has gone up dramatically as has quality of life. Women no longer have to have 12 pregnancies in order to get a couple of children to live to adulthood. You will likely not due of something as simple as diabetes, vitamin deficiency, or pneumonia.

On the negative side- more people have been killed in wars since the revolution. Depression rates have skyrocketed as has suicide. It seems like we hate ourselves more than ever.

Double edged sword.

---

I would argue that quality of life peaked in the 80's and 90's…when had sufficient technology, but not enough to handicap us mentally or divide us.

Depression, suicide, prescription drug dependency and alcohol and hard drug addiction, as you mentioned, are at all time highs and likely will only get much worse. Young people are forgoing marriage and real relationships at alarming rates. Most people are literally addicted to their phones.

I think it could be argued that, even with its benefits, the internet was maybe the worst thing to happen to mankind. We were never going to be the same after that.

Very few children today with even get a slight taste of the happiness, freedom and adventure we experienced as 80's and 90's children. They will be slaves/addicts to technology and to their over protective fearful parents.

Go watch videos of spring breakers in the 80's and 90's. Not a single technological device in sight, just people vibing together and connecting organically and nothing but smiles.

---

Yep, it was a Golden Age looking back on it.

The internet and social media riding piggyback on that will be our downfall.

---

Aren't you a big Bitcoin advocate? In the 80's and 90's You were never going to be able to click a button, invest in a hash code, and then wait for a guaranteed 10000% return in 3 years (or so have guaranteed all of the crypto social media influencers out there).

I figured all Bitcoiners living the dream right now getting filthy rich. 80's and 90's…you had to get rich the hard way.

---

How random.

I'm a believer in whatever potential solution can mitigate or backdoor us out of CBDC and/or fixes the fiat mess we currently live under. If that's bitcoin, then great.

I've never made any USD from bitcoin because I've never sold any. Ride or die. And I would not have cared about bitcoin back then because it wasn't necessary or relevant.

You have one poster on this thread who literally said it was the CIA who turned him into a 'monster'.

A twist on the classic 'bad childhood' defense to try to rationalize the mentally ill who become killers.

Some news reports say that he offed himself.

You can believe someone turned another into a monster and still think that monster should pay the same price for what he did as anyone else would. I don't see anyone that thinks he should have received some sort of reprieve. That's what I think about this case. There was some shameful stuff that happened to him and I do think it played some role; but in the end, he should (and did) still pay the full price for the actions he took.

DannyDuberstein said:

---

You can believe someone turned another into a monster and still think that monster should pay the same price for what he did as anyone else would. I don't see anyone that thinks he should have received some sort of reprieve. That's what I think about this case. There was some shameful stuff that happened to him and I do think it played some role; but in the end, he should (and did) still pay the full price for the actions he took.

---

A lot of people don't understand nuance

If Hitler believed that 2+2 =4, those same people would purposefully fail every math test because Hitler bad

Seven Costanza said:

---

Here's an interview clip if you're interested in hearing what he sounded like:

---

Wow, this is the first time I'm hearing his voice.
Slightly nasal, but seems like a regular and sane guy. I wonder how he justifies what he did.

He somewhat sounds like Steve Jobs.

torrid said:

---

Some news reports say that he offed himself.

---

Just saw that. Sounds a little fishy to me.

Nanomachines son said:

---

He was still answering letters from people until the day he died. The man was not a saint at all nor even a good person but he understood modern society in a way virtually no one else did. He's legit one of the greatest philosophers in the world since 1900.

He saw what no one else could about modern technology and he was exactly right about all of it.

---

Wow.
What he says above, makes perfect sense, and many of those things I have said before as well. Like writing neatly and with good spellings, I admonish my kids all the time when they write things like "wen r u gonna do dis?" or something illiterate sound like that.

He was no doubt a great mind. The world ruined him and he hit back so the world locked him up for decades.
Tragedy all around.

TXAG 05 said:

---

torrid said:

---

Some news reports say that he offed himself.

---

Just saw that. Sounds a little fishy to me.

---

Hillary!

https://www.thetedkarchive.com

When you start reading stuff from evil people like that and think to yourself "wow, I don't agree but they make a lot of sense..." don't forget that it is just another version of "even the demons know the Word" that the Bible has warned about for millennia.

Some grown ass men experimenting on a teen and never spent a day in jail.

Groomers are worse, none in jail so far.

How can people approve of this man's life? Send condolences???? What about to the families of the people he murdered

Idiots

Lake08 said:

---

How can people approve of this man's life? Send condolences???? What about to the families of the people he murdered

Idiots

---

Please point out where anyone approved of his life.

DannyDuberstein said:

---

Lake08 said:

---

How can people approve of this man's life? Send condolences???? What about to the families of the people he murdered

Idiots

---

Please point out where anyone approved of his life.

---

Lake08 is a perfect example of extrapolating what was read. As you say, no one approved of his life of his methods, but Lake is creating a strawman and attacking that.

Pumpkinhead said:

---

You have one poster on this thread who literally said it was the CIA who turned him into a 'monster'.

A twist on the classic 'bad childhood' defense to try to rationalize the mentally ill who become killers.

---

Tell ya what....you get force fed LSD and other mind altering substances, get aversion therapy, electro shock therapy, and emotionally abused for 2 years....all by the only person you trust while being physically and emotionally isolated from family and your peers

And let's see how you turn out in 20 years. I am not saying he wasn't a grown ass man who needed to take responsibility for what he did. He did atrocious things that he needed to pay for.

I am saying that people INTENTIONALLY tried to turn him into a monster. And not just........boo hoo daddy was emotionally distant and mommy didn't hug me enough. We are talking an entire government program designed to break people's minds and subvert their perception of reality.

........and anyone who has the audacity to think they wouldn't be permanently mind ****ed by such a program is blowing smoke.

Yeah...MKUltra was designed to create monsters, and assassins.....and they succeeded.

I am not defending him at all. I am trying to make people like you realize that your position that noone else was to blame or that his condition wasn't a direct result of the actions of the CIA is myopic.

MKUltra was a thing. And involved alot more than u summarized. There is a reason it gets downplayed in the MSM....because if they gloss over it then people can just stick their heads in the sand

The program he was involved in was MKUltra. He was recruited by a professor he trusted as a teen and groomed.

This is example 2,387 why grooming is wrong.

Kaczynski had terminal cancer. He says that in a letter to someone.

Read "Anti Tech Revolution" by Ted Kaczynski.

https://archive.org/details/KaczynskiAntiTechRevolutionWhyAndHow_201803/page/n5/mode/2up

If anyone thinks Teddy's manifest was spot on and the world would be a better place if all tech and science was rolled back, then there is path to live that lifestyle. Join the Amish. And no record of the Amish killing people. Just a nice tech-free peaceful farming lifestyle.

You'd have to give up browsing TexAgs though.

Pumpkinhead said:

---

If anyone thinks Teddy's manifest was spot on and the world would be a better place if all tech and science was rolled back, then there is path to live that lifestyle. Join the Amish. And no record of the Amish killing people. Just a nice tech-free peaceful farming lifestyle.

You'd have to give up browsing TexAgs though.

---

Ted's views are not sustainable though I think he had good intentions. He was probably fearful of a changing world. We all will get there sometime.

Science has been progressing since the advent of man. No way to stop that.

According to this article there is no evidence that any drugs were involved.

Just a weekly mock interrogation session where they ''gas-lighted' and verbally abused him.

A poster jumping to the conclusion that Teddy would not have done what he did if he hadn't participated in that Harvard study is a pretty huge jump to conclusions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2023/06/11/unabomber-ted-kaczynski-harvard-experiment/

What?! The government denies illicit drugs were involved in experiments?

No way!!!