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I am trying to wrap my head around "if X leads to the end of all life as we know it, stopping it is a violation of human rights"

I have to say this entire discourse makes more sense if viewed through that lens

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How does two consenting adults doing something in the privacy of their home "end life as we know it"?

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If it's in the privacy of their homes how do we know about it? And the statement was in response to the poster who said "even if it's an existential threat it still shouldn't be curtailed because liberty "

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Why does it need to be illegal and punishable by death if you won't know about it and it has zero impact on anyone besides those two individuals?

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Doesn't have to be punishable by death. The best laws are the ones that don't need to be enforced. Keeping it illegal keeps it away from public consumption, keeps it out of mainstreet. That's the goal.

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I would argue the best laws are ones that actually protect people from being harmed. Sounds like you think legislating private lives based on your personal worldview is more important.

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I'm convinced of the harm that has befallen the young in our country as a result of a pervasive culture of promiscuity, pornography, disordered sexual behavior, debauchery, sex before marriage, fatherless homes, no fault divorce, etc. Do you agree that we've been harmed by these things? Gay marriage, IVF, surrogacy, and gay adoption are a big part of the problem. If you wanted to root these things out, I'm curious how all of you would approach it if not through some statute that has teeth. I'm not going to defend this law in particular because I don't know the particulars, but philosophically I'm not opposed to making unnatural sex against the law.

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How does two consenting individuals having what you consider "unnatural sex" in the privacy of their home impact you?

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Did you read what I wrote? If the culture only existed in our periphery and in the privacy of people's homes, we wouldn't need to have this discussion. You would not hear any complaints out of me if that were the case.

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You have no evidence that one leads to the others, just your opinion. Thankfully you don't get to force your views on people who objectively have done nothing that impacts your day to day life.

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It's self evident. Gay couples adopting children doesn't happen in the privacy of their bedroom, and it doesn't happen in a vacuum. IVF and surrogacy don't happen in the privacy of people's bedrooms. Those involve children, and they are clearly violative of children's rights. There's a direct line between the redefinition of marriage to include couplings who never intend to remain faithful for life, and same sex couplings, etc. to a perceived right to bring children into existence through unnatural and monstrous technical procedures.

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How do any of those impact your daily life? Do you think a child is better off in a foster care (or worse) situation or with two loving gay parents? It's still your opinion, which you're welcome to have because we live in America, but you don't get to force that opinion on others.

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Any law criminalizing homosexuality or imposing the death penalty for "aggravated homosexuality" is grotesque & an abomination.

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13 "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

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Who are you, as a radical lefty, to question Jewish Mosaic law?

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Old Testament.

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Was still a law.

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We know you're nothing but a "gotcha" poster, but like all libs, you fail miserably when trying to use the Bible.

Yes, that was the law in ancient Israel. Lots of other laws too like dietary restrictions (which if one looks at them, it was about food safety) which no one enforces, although practicing Jews chose to follow them.

However, Jesus took away the penalty for sin from us, assuming we accept his sacrifice. We still still have to answer for our sins the day we stand before God, but at the same time, God no longer requires we be punished on Earth for every moral failure we have.

There are plenty of things which were crimes, even capital crimes, which are against the law to this day such as murder. But the Bible aside, murder is a universal crime in almost every single society that has existed since time immemorial.

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Regardless of whether or not you believe the law was taken away, it was still a law that was made and enforced.

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Any law criminalizing homosexuality or imposing the death penalty for "aggravated homosexuality" is grotesque & an abomination.

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13 "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

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Who are you, as a radical lefty, to question Jewish Mosaic law?

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What, exactly, am I questioning?

democrats murder those for being a baby and that seems to be ok.

I'm pretty sure anyone taking your stance must be trying real hard to cover up your own homosexuality. Nice try but I see right through your bull*****

Go ahead and come out.

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I'm pretty sure anyone taking your stance must be trying real hard to cover up your own homosexuality. Nice try but I see right through your bull*****

Go ahead and come out.

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Ahhhh there it is. The galactic smooth brain "you don't like this thing so therefore you actually love it" take.

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I am trying to wrap my head around "if X leads to the end of all life as we know it, stopping it is a violation of human rights"

I have to say this entire discourse makes more sense if viewed through that lens

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How does two consenting adults doing something in the privacy of their home "end life as we know it"?

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If it's in the privacy of their homes how do we know about it? And the statement was in response to the poster who said "even if it's an existential threat it still shouldn't be curtailed because liberty "

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Why does it need to be illegal and punishable by death if you won't know about it and it has zero impact on anyone besides those two individuals?

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Doesn't have to be punishable by death. The best laws are the ones that don't need to be enforced. Keeping it illegal keeps it away from public consumption, keeps it out of mainstreet. That's the goal.

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I would argue the best laws are ones that actually protect people from being harmed. Sounds like you think legislating private lives based on your personal worldview is more important.

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I'm convinced of the harm that has befallen the young in our country as a result of a pervasive culture of promiscuity, pornography, disordered sexual behavior, debauchery, sex before marriage, fatherless homes, no fault divorce, etc. Do you agree that we've been harmed by these things? Gay marriage, IVF, surrogacy, and gay adoption are a big part of the problem. If you wanted to root these things out, I'm curious how all of you would approach it if not through some statute that has teeth. I'm not going to defend this law in particular because I don't know the particulars, but philosophically I'm not opposed to making unnatural sex against the law.

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How does two consenting individuals having what you consider "unnatural sex" in the privacy of their home impact you?

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Did you read what I wrote? If the culture only existed in our periphery and in the privacy of people's homes, we wouldn't need to have this discussion. You would not hear any complaints out of me if that were the case.

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You have no evidence that one leads to the others, just your opinion. Thankfully you don't get to force your views on people who objectively have done nothing that impacts your day to day life.

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It's self evident. Gay couples adopting children doesn't happen in the privacy of their bedroom, and it doesn't happen in a vacuum. IVF and surrogacy don't happen in the privacy of people's bedrooms. Those involve children, and they are clearly violative of children's rights. There's a direct line between the redefinition of marriage to include couplings who never intend to remain faithful for life, and same sex couplings, etc. to a perceived right to bring children into existence through unnatural and monstrous technical procedures.

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How do any of those impact your daily life? Do you think a child is better off in a foster care (or worse) situation or with two loving gay parents? It's still your opinion, which you're welcome to have because we live in America, but you don't get to force that opinion on others.

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It affects all of us. At the very least their effects are tangential to our daily lives, but it's gotten to the point where teachers in classrooms are allowed to preach the virtues of homosexuality to children. The problem with tolerance and inclusivity being the highest virtue is that it only benefits the ones of us who have the least amount of moral convictions.

I think children are very often better off in the foster care system than being raised by two parents of the same sex because they're denied good models of masculinity and femininity, and they often carry guilt for their natural desire for 2 parents of the opposite sex because it feels like a rejection of their parents who love them. But social work is a very liberal field and what's happening is straight parents are being passed up for adoption in favor of same sex households. Do you think that is a good consequence of placing same sex relationships equal in value to marriages?

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Who are you, as a radical lefty, to question Jewish Mosaic law?

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What, exactly, am I questioning?

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I don't know, but your post can be taken as pretty anti-semitic. You clearly have a problem with Jews or their religion.

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I'm pretty sure anyone taking your stance must be trying real hard to cover up your own homosexuality. Nice try but I see right through your bull*****

Go ahead and come out.

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Ahhhh there it is. The galactic smooth brain "you don't like this thing so therefore you actually love it" take.

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It's my favorite. "You don't like homosexuality or the way so many modern gay people act, so clearly you are GAYYY!".

It's the lowest of low-IQ takes, and ironically, could be considered "homophobic" and "bullying". If the gay posters on here are right, that many gay males are unstable and often suicidal, then picking on closet gays (like you and me lol) is pretty freaking low. Closet gays (like you and me) clearly have the hardest problems grappling with their sexuality...and these same posters are always talking about the damage that bullying has done to many gays. Yet they openly engage in homophobic bullying on here any time they are upset. Utmost hypocrites.

B@llerst@ff, the known liar who said that I advocated for killing all homosexuals on here (never received an apology from they/them), is the king of this violent homophobic bullying against closeted homosexuals (like you and me).

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I am trying to wrap my head around "if X leads to the end of all life as we know it, stopping it is a violation of human rights"

I have to say this entire discourse makes more sense if viewed through that lens

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So you will be forced to only have gay sex if it isn't illegal and punished by death?

I mean, I love Lucy Pinder's tits, but it doesn't make me a lesbian.

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You sound somewhat lesbish. If I said "I like Henry Cavill's ass but it doesn't make me gay." I would be gay.

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So if I said "I l like Henry Cavill as a Witcher, but it doesn't make me a Witcher," I would be a Witcher?

That's a lot easier than the process the character had to go through to become one.

Man, there's absolutely one way to get the rabid BASED MAGATARD wing of the liberal left and the "we're going to make your kids gay and there's nothing you can do about it" wing of the illiberal left to join forces; and that's when a Politician makes a virtue signal post about gay rights in Uganda.

We're going to be drowned up a rainbow sea of forced homo worship in about two days, and you guys are beating your chest because UGANDA of all places has checked out the trajectory of the west and said "holy ****, do whatever we can to avoid that".

I hope to hell Zimbabwe doesn't make a ruling on incest soon because I can only handle so much fake outrage.

You can keep denying it but the truth will come out. No one is that much of a bigot.

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You can keep denying it but the truth will come out. No one is that much of a bigot.

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If I don't like spiders or meth heads, do I secretly want to have sex with them as well?

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I am trying to wrap my head around "if X leads to the end of all life as we know it, stopping it is a violation of human rights"

I have to say this entire discourse makes more sense if viewed through that lens

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So you will be forced to only have gay sex if it isn't illegal and punished by death?

I mean, I love Lucy Pinder's tits, but it doesn't make me a lesbian.

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You sound somewhat lesbish. If I said "I like Henry Cavill's ass but it doesn't make me gay." I would be gay.

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So if I said "I l like Henry Cavill as a Witcher, but it doesn't make me a Witcher," I would be a Witcher?

That's a lot easier than the process the character had to go through to become one.

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Can you rephrase this in Warhammer 40k.

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Who are you, as a radical lefty, to question Jewish Mosaic law?

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What, exactly, am I questioning?

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I don't know, but your post can be taken as pretty anti-semitic. You clearly have a problem with Jews or their religion.

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Can you explain how my post is anti-semitic?

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13 "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

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Who are you, as a radical lefty, to question Jewish Mosaic law?

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What, exactly, am I questioning?

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I don't know, but your post can be taken as pretty anti-semitic. You clearly have a problem with Jews or their religion.

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Can you explain how my post is anti-semitic?

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Can you make one post where you don't appear completely lost?

I have no idea what your about. I know God didn't make any mistakes. The gays deserve to be loved like everyone else. You don't have to like it, but Jesus accepts everyone. The idea of killing someone for loving a person of the same sex is just evil.

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I am trying to wrap my head around "if X leads to the end of all life as we know it, stopping it is a violation of human rights"

I have to say this entire discourse makes more sense if viewed through that lens

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How does two consenting adults doing something in the privacy of their home "end life as we know it"?

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If it's in the privacy of their homes how do we know about it? And the statement was in response to the poster who said "even if it's an existential threat it still shouldn't be curtailed because liberty "

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Why does it need to be illegal and punishable by death if you won't know about it and it has zero impact on anyone besides those two individuals?

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Doesn't have to be punishable by death. The best laws are the ones that don't need to be enforced. Keeping it illegal keeps it away from public consumption, keeps it out of mainstreet. That's the goal.

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I would argue the best laws are ones that actually protect people from being harmed. Sounds like you think legislating private lives based on your personal worldview is more important.

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I'm convinced of the harm that has befallen the young in our country as a result of a pervasive culture of promiscuity, pornography, disordered sexual behavior, debauchery, sex before marriage, fatherless homes, no fault divorce, etc. Do you agree that we've been harmed by these things? Gay marriage, IVF, surrogacy, and gay adoption are a big part of the problem. If you wanted to root these things out, I'm curious how all of you would approach it if not through some statute that has teeth. I'm not going to defend this law in particular because I don't know the particulars, but philosophically I'm not opposed to making unnatural sex against the law.

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How does two consenting individuals having what you consider "unnatural sex" in the privacy of their home impact you?

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Did you read what I wrote? If the culture only existed in our periphery and in the privacy of people's homes, we wouldn't need to have this discussion. You would not hear any complaints out of me if that were the case.

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You have no evidence that one leads to the others, just your opinion. Thankfully you don't get to force your views on people who objectively have done nothing that impacts your day to day life.

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It's self evident. Gay couples adopting children doesn't happen in the privacy of their bedroom, and it doesn't happen in a vacuum. IVF and surrogacy don't happen in the privacy of people's bedrooms. Those involve children, and they are clearly violative of children's rights. There's a direct line between the redefinition of marriage to include couplings who never intend to remain faithful for life, and same sex couplings, etc. to a perceived right to bring children into existence through unnatural and monstrous technical procedures.

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How do any of those impact your daily life? Do you think a child is better off in a foster care (or worse) situation or with two loving gay parents? It's still your opinion, which you're welcome to have because we live in America, but you don't get to force that opinion on others.

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Why do you assume they are being adopted by two loving gay parents?

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13 "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

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Who are you, as a radical lefty, to question Jewish Mosaic law?

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What, exactly, am I questioning?

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I don't know, but your post can be taken as pretty anti-semitic. You clearly have a problem with Jews or their religion.

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Can you explain how my post is anti-semitic?

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It seems like you're saying the law of the prophets is grotesque and an abomination.

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You can keep denying it but the truth will come out. No one is that much of a bigot.

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If I don't like spiders or meth heads, do I secretly want to have sex with them as well?

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No, this only applies to butt sechs. If you express that you think the thought of butt sechs with a man is gross, you are almost certainly a closet gay man who longs for it. Trust the science.

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I have no idea what your about. I know God didn't make any mistakes. The gays deserve to be loved like everyone else. You don't have to like it, but Jesus accepts everyone. The idea of killing someone for loving a person of the same sex is just evil.

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What is this "God doesn't make mistakes" business. There are all sorts of people born with inclinations that are aberrant and deviant, that doesn't mean that "God made a mistake".

Jesus accepts everyone under HIS terms and not theirs. He says "Come and Follow me" not "remain where you are and do whatever you like and that's okay too". Jesus is the Great Healer, but sometimes being healed is painful; it requires death to self. Comfort is the purview of hospice, where you blissfully die. Ask anyone who has had to do chemo, or physical therapy, or had pins in their leg; sometimes being healed requires a lot of pain.

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13 "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

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Who are you, as a radical lefty, to question Jewish Mosaic law?

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What, exactly, am I questioning?

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I don't know, but your post can be taken as pretty anti-semitic. You clearly have a problem with Jews or their religion.

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Can you explain how my post is anti-semitic?

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Can you make one post where you don't appear completely lost?

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Are you capable of posting anything but personal attacks?

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Any law criminalizing homosexuality or imposing the death penalty for "aggravated homosexuality" is grotesque & an abomination.

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13 "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

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Who are you, as a radical lefty, to question Jewish Mosaic law?

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What, exactly, am I questioning?

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I don't know, but your post can be taken as pretty anti-semitic. You clearly have a problem with Jews or their religion.

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Can you explain how my post is anti-semitic?

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It seems like you're saying the law of the prophets is grotesque and an abomination.

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I didn't say it, Mr. Cruz said it. Further, is biblical law not allowed to be questioned? How is that anti-semitic?