Why do you hate "THE CHILDREN" you monster???

Id guess VJ day. Doesnt seem like a post WW2 issue

Dan Scott said:

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One of the most iconic photos from Titanic disaster is a kid selling newspaper with the heading "Titanic disaster great loss of life." In the movie Mr. smith goes to Washington, the senate has kids working for them. Kids used to be shoe shiners. One of the best was a kid named Spit Shinin Tommy, he was known to make shoes look like mirrors. He was terrific, the best, made a lot of money too.

All these kids in urban centers with nothing to do can do what poor kids had always done and work.

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Slight derail, but I had recently read an article where the boy from the Titanic photo was KIA in France just two weeks before the armistice in 1918.

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/titanic/stories/ned-parfett.htm

I got my first job at 14. I think I had to get some hardship thing, but my Mom took care of that. I could be misremembering here. But I did get my first job at 14 at a restaurant as a bus boy.

I think I was 12 or 13 when I started reffing youth soccer. Think I was 16 when I got my first actual job with an hourly wage.

oldcrow91 said:

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fka ftc said:

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LeBron James has no issues with young children being enslaved to make his sneakers and clothes. In fact, he may write a book about it,

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Maybe write the first page of one anyway.

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Lebron has "an educated mind"

When I was 11 my dad hired me out to the city of Fort Stockton to mow, water and chalk the little league fields.

Started mowing a couple yards in the neighborhood at age 11 or so. I think it was about $50 a week so I was thrilled. At 14 started working at a Boy Scout Summer camp from June to August. No parents, did my own laundry, cashed my own paychecks. Great lessons.

My first job was a bag boy at an AirBase commissary when I was 14. No hourly wage just tips, usually 10 cents a bag, unless it was a general's wife then maybe a nickel a bag. Inebriated enlisted men were good for 25 cents for a small bag with a six pack and you didn't have to take the bag to their car.

On the DL, parents have been doing their best to make child labor socially acceptable…

I had a paper route when I was 14. Rode my bike every day after work all over the neighborhood. Good learning experience.

Then, summer before I turned 16, I got a job at a nursery doing manual labor. First week, I worked a **** ton of overtime and when I got my paycheck I was quite happy (MW was $3.25/hr at the time). Next week I worked the same OT and when I got my paycheck they pulled me aside and asked (and were surprised) that I was only 15. They freaked out and said I wasn't allowed to work OT legally.

So...after that, my paychecks dropped like a rock and it sucked. I've hated child labor laws ever since...

Started mowing yards at 10. Had to borrow the money at the bank (which was really on dad's signature but he wanted me to learn how business worked). Mowed most of those yards for 10 to 15 dollars apiece - for the next 8 years - and had to pay back the $1,000 loan and buy my own supplies, new mowers, edgers, weed eaters, fuel, etc before before I could keep any profit. Also mowed a couple of large lawns for as low $3 bucks apiece because my father taught me, "those ladies can't afford to pay you more than that... (they were older, widow ladies getting by on SS)." Learned lots of life lessons from that first $1,000 loan at 10 years old.

Made my boys work in similar fashion. Learning manual labor and honest business practices are good for kids.

I followed in the footsteps of Patrick Dempsey delivering pizzas to lonely housewives. Clientele was hit or miss but the tips were great. Usually included a free lunch.

oldcrow91 said:

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fka ftc said:

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LeBron James has no issues with young children being enslaved to make his sneakers and clothes. In fact, he may write a book about it,

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Maybe write the first page of one anyway.

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This.

People that think Lebron is uneducated don't know he's literally read thousands of first pages on books.

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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When I was 15, I worked at a college as a janitor, even though I felt like I was smarter than most of the people who went there. Sometimes I would see an equation written on a blackboard, like half an equation, and... I would just figure it out.

I think that job was a lot more valuable than the construction jobs my friends had.

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Tell your brother, Ben, that he grew up to be quite a little *****.

Started delivering mailers when I was 9 - small papers that I hung on mailbox hooks. Route was 100+ papers that I would hang from bike handle bars. Even included an apartment complex which in retrospect I would not have allowed my kids to walk through but never had any issues.

Cut grass sporadically after that until I started working at McD's at 16. I made sure that all my kids had part time jobs at 15-16

the children yearn for the mines

14 bag boy and cart gatherer at Krogers, two weeks later I was promoted to cashier. They told me I was too young to sell cigarettes or beer, but I didn't care I sold anything to anyone and never carded anybody. The way I figured I was just a kid, what did they expect?

Contrary to popular belief on it being a response to education requirements, opposition to child labor happened in response to the industrial revolution. There's a big difference between a 10-11 year old running a lawn mower over the summer with a safety bar and a 6-8 year old working 72 hours a week in a cotton mill built with no thought towards equipment guards or safety.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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Contrary to popular belief on it being a response to education requirements, opposition to child labor happened in response to the industrial revolution. There's a big difference between a 10-11 year old running a lawn mower over the summer with a safety bar and a 6-8 year old working 72 hours a week in a cotton mill built with no thought towards equipment guards or safety.

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And the solution to that is not to prevent kids under 16 from working at McDs. Yet here we are...

Luxury, I dreamed of working later in childhood life.
Summers 40 hr week bussing tables 1st grade, 2nd grade.

My kids are cutting and dragging brush with chainsaws and skid steers this summer. They've also figured out that if they spend a little more time they can save the cedar stays and posts and have a stockpile to sell for additional money. No clue when child labor became frowned upon but it is alive and well in ranch life.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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Contrary to popular belief on it being a response to education requirements, opposition to child labor happened in response to the industrial revolution. There's a big difference between a 10-11 year old running a lawn mower over the summer with a safety bar and a 6-8 year old working 72 hours a week in a cotton mill built with no thought towards equipment guards or safety.

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Meh, this is not quite the right take regarding the industrial revolution.

The impact was about work conditions and types of jobs but more about the efficiencies created that allowed children to go to school vs work on the farm or in a parents store / place of business.

But before any debate should be had regarding children in the workforce, there should be mandatory work requirements for welfare and other forms of government assistance, including any assistance provided by the government for post-secondary education / training.