Everyone constantly worrying about US manufacturing having gone away because of cheap labor in China.

Put these f'ing kids into the plants and have them make stuff. Pay them $0.50 an hour. 12 hour days.

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Everyone constantly worrying about US manufacturing having gone away because of cheap labor in China.

Put these f'ing kids into the plants and have them make stuff. Pay them $0.50 an hour. 12 hour days.

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Kids today...

Only working half time...

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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Contrary to popular belief on it being a response to education requirements, opposition to child labor happened in response to the industrial revolution. There's a big difference between a 10-11 year old running a lawn mower over the summer with a safety bar and a 6-8 year old working 72 hours a week in a cotton mill built with no thought towards equipment guards or safety.

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And the solution to that is not to prevent kids under 16 from working at McDs. Yet here we are...

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Poor example, any restaurant that cooks with hot oil should be minimum 16 in my mind. Something more appropriate like bagging groceries should be fine for a 10-11 year old.

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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Contrary to popular belief on it being a response to education requirements, opposition to child labor happened in response to the industrial revolution. There's a big difference between a 10-11 year old running a lawn mower over the summer with a safety bar and a 6-8 year old working 72 hours a week in a cotton mill built with no thought towards equipment guards or safety.

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And the solution to that is not to prevent kids under 16 from working at McDs. Yet here we are...

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Poor example, any restaurant that cooks with hot oil should be minimum 16 in my mind. Something more appropriate like bagging groceries should be fine for a 10-11 year old.

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Why can't they work as janitors or other jobs not related to the oil?

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kb2001 said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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Contrary to popular belief on it being a response to education requirements, opposition to child labor happened in response to the industrial revolution. There's a big difference between a 10-11 year old running a lawn mower over the summer with a safety bar and a 6-8 year old working 72 hours a week in a cotton mill built with no thought towards equipment guards or safety.

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And the solution to that is not to prevent kids under 16 from working at McDs. Yet here we are...

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Poor example, any restaurant that cooks with hot oil should be minimum 16 in my mind. Something more appropriate like bagging groceries should be fine for a 10-11 year old.

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Why can't they work as janitors or other jobs not related to the oil?

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Because everyone does everything in that environment. It makes scheduling easier, and it means that when there's a big rush, anyone can help anywhere. There's no such thing as, "a janitor or something." The person cleaning tables and the bathroom is the same one that works the drive through, runs the cash register, and makes the food. The only remotely special person is a team leader or manager who does some level of planning or management tasks like making and receiving orders, but even they are doing all of those jobs as well.



You would really only expect to see dedicated positions in a sit down restaurant. A busser or host is about the only position someone around 16 could be in most of those places, and no one is going to have a kid as the face of the restaurant. That job is also probably going to require late hours, and much later than a 14 or 15 year old should be out or what their parents are going to want to pick them up at.

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kb2001 said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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Contrary to popular belief on it being a response to education requirements, opposition to child labor happened in response to the industrial revolution. There's a big difference between a 10-11 year old running a lawn mower over the summer with a safety bar and a 6-8 year old working 72 hours a week in a cotton mill built with no thought towards equipment guards or safety.

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And the solution to that is not to prevent kids under 16 from working at McDs. Yet here we are...

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Poor example, any restaurant that cooks with hot oil should be minimum 16 in my mind. Something more appropriate like bagging groceries should be fine for a 10-11 year old.

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Why can't they work as janitors or other jobs not related to the oil?

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Tight quarters, it can't be avoided that they'll be in the area. The risk from hot oil is too great for me to allow a 10-11 year old to work there at all. They just aren't as aware of what's happening around them as you really need to be. Most kids grow up around stoves, ovens, and even grills, but very few are around hot oil cooking regularly. That's my opinion, feel free to disagree.

Subway, or hot food restaurants without hot oil are no problem in my mind.

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Started a lawn mowing business at 10 or 11. Went door to door and found customers. Had one guy sign up to let me mow his yard. He would sit on his porch in amazement and watch me push that mower (barely able to see over the top of the push bar). He was cheap, too. Wouldnt let me mow but every third week.

Made enough money that summer to go to the pool a few times and open a checking account (had to have $100) .

Been bustin' my hump ever since. Sometimes holding three jobs at a time. Work was created before the fall and is a blessing to man to give value and purpose. After the fall, work became harder and more toil. Aint nothing wrong with some work.

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We moved at the end of the summer when I was 10, so I started lawns the next summer when I was 11. Started with 2 "accounts" -- neighbors across the street. I added about 1-3 a year through Jr. High. The summer between my 8th and 9th grade year, I had 3 or 4 houses of older people on a street about a half mile away. I would push my mower, mow all the lawns, push it back home, walk back with stick edger, broom, and bags, and finish the job. If I remember right, that was $15 a yard, but that was weekly and I thought that was great. Maybe it was $12, but I wasn't complaining.

High water mark was 14-15 in HS. Even had "employees," but few ever worked out. I got tired of having to teach most of them how to a) work and b) mow yards to my standards. The rest mostly didn't want to work hard.

If I did it today, I'd have had 10 my first year. My street alone today, I could get half a dozen. Where were these people back in the '80s?

Kind of depends on what else they'd be expected to do. I wouldn't let a 10-11 year old handle a meat slicer or mandoline at Subway.

We had a rice farm. Started working full time when I was 10…except when I had school or sporting events.
Teaches a good work ethic…something missing from a lot of newer generations.

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Contrary to popular belief on it being a response to education requirements, opposition to child labor happened in response to the industrial revolution. There's a big difference between a 10-11 year old running a lawn mower over the summer with a safety bar and a 6-8 year old working 72 hours a week in a cotton mill built with no thought towards equipment guards or safety.

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And the solution to that is not to prevent kids under 16 from working at McDs. Yet here we are...

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Poor example, any restaurant that cooks with hot oil should be minimum 16 in my mind. Something more appropriate like bagging groceries should be fine for a 10-11 year old.

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Why can't they work as janitors or other jobs not related to the oil?

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Because everyone does everything in that environment. It makes scheduling easier, and it means that when there's a big rush, anyone can help anywhere. There's no such thing as, "a janitor or something." The person cleaning tables and the bathroom is the same one that works the drive through, runs the cash register, and makes the food. The only remotely special person is a team leader or manager who does some level of planning or management tasks like making and receiving orders, but even they are doing all of those jobs as well.



You would really only expect to see dedicated positions in a sit down restaurant. A busser or host is about the only position someone around 16 could be in most of those places, and no one is going to have a kid as the face of the restaurant. That job is also probably going to require late hours, and much later than a 14 or 15 year old should be out or what their parents are going to want to pick them up at.

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Oh Jesus ****ing Christ. You win! You have killed DEFEATED the evil McDs Monster example!!!!! (well, maybe maybe not, but I don't care about arguing things that actually are not what I'm talking about just so you can score your internet victories)...



Now do GENERIC JOB X that has a bunch of delineated job roles from menial to complicated (these actually do exist in the world, much to your chagrin since it makes defeating irrelevant side details in an overall argument more difficult)...

Why can't younger people (not giving you people specific ages to start attacking when it's not the ****ing point) do those menial jobs - other than some politicians deemed it to be illegal? Why SHOULD they NOT be allowed to do jobs that they can do and earn money for their work?

You might be too sensitive for f16

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kb2001 said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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Contrary to popular belief on it being a response to education requirements, opposition to child labor happened in response to the industrial revolution. There's a big difference between a 10-11 year old running a lawn mower over the summer with a safety bar and a 6-8 year old working 72 hours a week in a cotton mill built with no thought towards equipment guards or safety.

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And the solution to that is not to prevent kids under 16 from working at McDs. Yet here we are...

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Poor example, any restaurant that cooks with hot oil should be minimum 16 in my mind. Something more appropriate like bagging groceries should be fine for a 10-11 year old.

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Why can't they work as janitors or other jobs not related to the oil?

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Because everyone does everything in that environment. It makes scheduling easier, and it means that when there's a big rush, anyone can help anywhere. There's no such thing as, "a janitor or something." The person cleaning tables and the bathroom is the same one that works the drive through, runs the cash register, and makes the food. The only remotely special person is a team leader or manager who does some level of planning or management tasks like making and receiving orders, but even they are doing all of those jobs as well.



You would really only expect to see dedicated positions in a sit down restaurant. A busser or host is about the only position someone around 16 could be in most of those places, and no one is going to have a kid as the face of the restaurant. That job is also probably going to require late hours, and much later than a 14 or 15 year old should be out or what their parents are going to want to pick them up at.

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I have a fast casual place.
We can often get out food faster than McDonald's

I could easily have a 13 year old do expo. Bag up the packaged food for take out.

The teens never enter the kitchen to cook or prep.
Maybe do dishes if we are running low on a super slamming day.

But no, I don't allow someone under 18 to cook. Or prep.

Only 21 plus can make drinks


Kids could do anything outside the kitchen in fast food.

I am not saying 13 years should be working for the most part, but they would not have to do dangerous things.

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oldcrow91 said:

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LeBron James has no issues with young children being enslaved to make his sneakers and clothes. In fact, he may write a book about it,

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Maybe write the first page of one anyway.

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Y'all are being very generous by using the term "write"...

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It'll be a two page book......so there's that

Try being raised on a dairy from the early age of 4........child labor laws did not apply to father of Rattler

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You might be too sensitive for f16

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Brand new socks are so cute...

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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kb2001 said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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Contrary to popular belief on it being a response to education requirements, opposition to child labor happened in response to the industrial revolution. There's a big difference between a 10-11 year old running a lawn mower over the summer with a safety bar and a 6-8 year old working 72 hours a week in a cotton mill built with no thought towards equipment guards or safety.

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And the solution to that is not to prevent kids under 16 from working at McDs. Yet here we are...

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Poor example, any restaurant that cooks with hot oil should be minimum 16 in my mind. Something more appropriate like bagging groceries should be fine for a 10-11 year old.

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Why can't they work as janitors or other jobs not related to the oil?

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Because everyone does everything in that environment. It makes scheduling easier, and it means that when there's a big rush, anyone can help anywhere. There's no such thing as, "a janitor or something." The person cleaning tables and the bathroom is the same one that works the drive through, runs the cash register, and makes the food. The only remotely special person is a team leader or manager who does some level of planning or management tasks like making and receiving orders, but even they are doing all of those jobs as well.



You would really only expect to see dedicated positions in a sit down restaurant. A busser or host is about the only position someone around 16 could be in most of those places, and no one is going to have a kid as the face of the restaurant. That job is also probably going to require late hours, and much later than a 14 or 15 year old should be out or what their parents are going to want to pick them up at.

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I have a fast casual place.
We can often get out food faster than McDonald's

I could easily have a 13 year old do expo. Bag up the packaged food for take out.

The teens never enter the kitchen to cook or prep.
Maybe do dishes if we are running low on a super slamming day.

But no, I don't allow someone under 18 to cook. Or prep.

Only 21 plus can make drinks


Kids could do anything outside the kitchen in fast food.

I am not saying 13 years should be working for the most part, but they would not have to do dangerous things.

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Like YOU know anything about this...

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LeBron James has no issues with young children being enslaved to make his sneakers and clothes. In fact, he may write a book about it,

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Maybe write the first page of one anyway.

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Y'all are being very generous by using the term "write"...

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It'll be a two page book......so there's that

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Awww...*****

Too bad he'll never know the ending.

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fka ftc said:

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LeBron James has no issues with young children being enslaved to make his sneakers and clothes. In fact, he may write a book about it,

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Maybe write the first page of one anyway.

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Y'all are being very generous by using the term "write"...

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It'll be a two page book......so there's that

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Awww...*****

Too bad he'll never know the ending.

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First page will say "My Book"
Second page will say "The End"

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Sethtevious said:

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You might be too sensitive for f16

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Brand new socks are so cute...

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Over-sensitive and dog **** at arguing is quite the combo

Do better.

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You might be too sensitive for f16

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Brand new socks are so cute...

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Over-sensitive and dog **** at arguing is quite the combo

Do better.

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Thanks...I needed that chuckle...

Does your son work in the restaurant?

You didn't cry and concede the argument so....improvement?

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Try being raised on a dairy from the early age of 4........child labor laws did not apply to father of Rattler

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Yeah, kids that grow up in a farm / ranch family know absolutely nothing about child labor laws. But I guess working cattle, cutting hay, etc is less dangerous than McDonald's. lol

Pretty sure most child labor laws specifically exempt farms/ranches

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Pretty sure most child labor laws specifically exempt farms/ranches

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Try being raised on a dairy from the early age of 4........child labor laws did not apply to father of Rattler

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Yeah, kids that grow up in a farm / ranch family know absolutely nothing about child labor laws. But I guess working cattle, cutting hay, etc is less dangerous than McDonald's. lol

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But what about the dangers and liability?????

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Pretty sure most child labor laws specifically exempt farms/ranches

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No one in ranching cares what they exempt.

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Try being raised on a dairy from the early age of 4........child labor laws did not apply to father of Rattler

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Yeah, kids that grow up in a farm / ranch family know absolutely nothing about child labor laws. But I guess working cattle, cutting hay, etc is less dangerous than McDonald's. lol

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Pretty sure there's a difference between a family training a kid for a job they've grown up around and a corporate manager or franchisee training a kid for a job they know nothing about.

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Try being raised on a dairy from the early age of 4........child labor laws did not apply to father of Rattler

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Yeah, kids that grow up in a farm / ranch family know absolutely nothing about child labor laws. But I guess working cattle, cutting hay, etc is less dangerous than McDonald's. lol

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But what about the dangers and liability?????

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You maim your kid on a piece of farm equipment and the only person you need to worry about suing you is you. If your kid maims himself in someone else's business, they're potentially on the hook for hundreds of thousands if not millions if they're not insured enough.

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Probably when the government got involved in schools and decided that every child, regardless of family status, required (by punishment of accompanying laws regarding truancy) a minimum K-12 education.

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Exactly this !

The government created a paid for daycare system called the public school system!

Even worse they pay parents to stay home doing nothing as well. Their only job is to vote Democrat.

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Oh, they're doing something...