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It's so silly. Trump couldn't negotiate with Nancy Pelosi took the credit for shutting down the country and got nothin He was afraid to fire Fauci because he feared the media. When BLM is burning federal buildings he blames Barr for not going after them even though Barr works for Trump and Trump could have fired him.

All that and I'm supposed to believe Trump could have negotiated with Jefferson Davis. The guy is delusional.

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well in reality, sure 985,000 Americans died over a 4 year Civil War, but Trump is so great that he easily could have gotten them to stop fighting.

I'm sure Stephen Douglas, Judah P. Benjamin, Salmon P. Chase all when hearing this news in heaven exclaim:

"why didn't we think of Trump's plan!!"

just when you think Trump plumbs the depths of utter ignorance, he drops it another level lower. and his listless vessels are exclaiming "yeah, Trump is better than Washington, Lincoln, and Reagan!"

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This will be interesting to watch if they can get something trained and working. The response rate for phone calls just isn't there anymore.

Digital Methodology:
n=10,000
Demographic 50% Republican 50% Independent
Algorithm: our algo measures sentiment across a variety of public sources including election history, sentiment, keywords, hashtags and more.
Profile: we've created a large repository of personality…

— Robert J Salvador (@RobertJSalvador) January 8, 2024

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I'll wait until our resident poll experts have weighed in to give their seal of approval.

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This is hard data. The data is all that we have. Beep Boop. #PollTrollBot

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TRM said:

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This will be interesting to watch if they can get something trained and working. The response rate for phone calls just isn't there anymore.

Digital Methodology:
n=10,000
Demographic 50% Republican 50% Independent
Algorithm: our algo measures sentiment across a variety of public sources including election history, sentiment, keywords, hashtags and more.
Profile: we've created a large repository of personality…

— Robert J Salvador (@RobertJSalvador) January 8, 2024

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I'll wait until our resident poll experts have weighed in to give their seal of approval.

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Clearly this poll is invalid because it doesn't have Trump ahead by enough /polltrolls.

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It's so silly. Trump couldn't negotiate with Nancy Pelosi took the credit for shutting down the country and got nothin He was afraid to fire Fauci because he feared the media. When BLM is burning federal buildings he blames Barr for not going after them even though Barr works for Trump and Trump could have fired him.

All that and I'm supposed to believe Trump could have negotiated with Jefferson Davis. The guy is delusional.

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Wrong. His hard-core supporters are delusional. Trump may or may not believe what he's spouting, but he does know that it doesn't matter. What matters is that his ardent supporters are delusional enough to believe whatever he spouts, send him money, and continue to support his new line of business - politics.

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in this case it's not delusion

it's flat out ignorance

is there ANYONE in this country that believes Donald J. Trump has read a book on the origins of the Civil War?!?

is there ANYONE who believes that if asked, Trump could discuss the Lincoln/Douglas debates? or explain when Virginia seceded and why?

I can guarantee that Trump would never be able to answer this question: how many states were there in the Confederacy and how many border states maintained slavery?

You realize that 99% of America doesn't know or care about the origins of the Civil War, right?

They can tell you who won the last 5 seasons of The Voice, though…

One place where DeSantis has failed is not knowing his audience…. He doesn't connect well with those he needs to get elected…

A World War II veteran expresses deep gratitude to @VivekGRamaswamy, thanking him for being his hero:

"The words you're saying are exactly what my generation grew up in. Children and adults stood at attention and crossed their hearts when the flag passed by in a parade.

School… pic.twitter.com/3tpsiwEgGK

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) September 15, 2023

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You realize that 99% of America doesn't know or care about the origins of the Civil War, right?

They can tell you who won the last 5 seasons of The Voice, though…

One place where DeSantis has failed is not knowing his audience…. He doesn't connect well with those he needs to get elected…

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So Trump makes a completely ignorant and frankly offensive statement about the Civil War (and I can assure you more than 1% of the population understands the origins of the Civil War), and your response is that DeSantis doesn't know his audience and can't connect with people?

Well I will agree with you that DeSantis isn't able to come up with completely idiotic and ignorant statements and get his supporters to not only excuse it but blame his opponent.

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If DeSantis could connect with people better, he would be more competitive in this primary race...

But alas...he isn't...

The proof is in the pudding...

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You realize that 99% of America doesn't know or care about the origins of the Civil War, right?

They can tell you who won the last 5 seasons of The Voice, though…

One place where DeSantis has failed is not knowing his audience…. He doesn't connect well with those he needs to get elected…

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So Trump makes a completely ignorant and frankly offensive statement about the Civil War (and I can assure you more than 1% of the population understands the origins of the Civil War), and your response is that DeSantis doesn't know his audience and can't connect with people?

Well I will agree with you that DeSantis isn't able to come up with completely idiotic and ignorant statements and get his supporters to not only excuse it but blame his opponent.

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I love how the Trumpers revel in their own ignorance.

that says everything one has to know about their organization.

it's laughable to believe that 99% of Americans don't understand why there was an American Civil War.

There have been 16,000 books and articles published on Lincoln

125 books on the Lincoln Assassination alone[5]more than any other American.[6]

Yeah, no one except Trump understands the Civil War

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You realize that 99% of America doesn't know or care about the origins of the Civil War, right?

They can tell you who won the last 5 seasons of The Voice, though…

One place where DeSantis has failed is not knowing his audience…. He doesn't connect well with those he needs to get elected…

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So Trump makes a completely ignorant and frankly offensive statement about the Civil War (and I can assure you more than 1% of the population understands the origins of the Civil War), and your response is that DeSantis doesn't know his audience and can't connect with people?

Well I will agree with you that DeSantis isn't able to come up with completely idiotic and ignorant statements and get his supporters to not only excuse it but blame his opponent.

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If DeSantis could connect with people better, he would be more competitive in this primary race...

But alas...he isn't...

The proof is in the pudding...

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Well we will start finding out in a week about how competitive DeSantis is.

That said it has ZERO to do with the point made. It's simply you trying to deflect for Trump from his idiotic statement. So do you think Trump would have negotiated a peaceful resolution and avoided the Civil War as he claims then?

This is a great reminder from Massie about Jan 6 protestors. Trump wasn't considering pardons for them, he was emphatically wanting them all prosecuted and "To those who broke the law, you will pay!" Why? Trump was doing what he always does, trying to cover his own ass. It was only later on he drummed up the sympathy for the protestors but of course that has never translated to actually doing anything to help them other than a bit of lip service. He has not promised to pardon them if elected to my knowledge either even though DeSantis has for non violent offenders and he has said he will conduct a review for any violent offenders to make sure they got fair treatment.

Oh, and Julie Kelly does upside down backflips to find ways to try to absolve Trump from any blame while trying to find any way she can to blame DeSantis for this even though he had zero to do with Jan 6. She constantly talks about how many Jan 6 folks are from Florida as if DeSantis can do something about people arrested on Federal charges as Governor.

Pardons are absolute, firmly based in the Constitution. There’s no doubt they would have been upheld at the Supreme Court.

But Trump wasn’t worried about how to pardon the protestors. Instead, he threw them under the bus for his own benefit in this video: pic.twitter.com/5616FbJu9H

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) January 7, 2024

Loomer planning more disruptions.

Trump is so desperate that his surrogates are encouraging his followers to disrupt DeSantis events in Iowa.

They'll show up, scream, yell, and cause chaos, then cry crocodile tears and play the victim when they're kicked out.

Can these people be any lower rent? pic.twitter.com/Zf9MH2OfhH

— John Cardillo (@johncardillo) January 8, 2024

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Loomer planning more disruptions.

Trump is so desperate that his surrogates are encouraging his followers to disrupt DeSantis events in Iowa.

They'll show up, scream, yell, and cause chaos, then cry crocodile tears and play the victim when they're kicked out.

Can these people be any lower rent? pic.twitter.com/Zf9MH2OfhH

— John Cardillo (@johncardillo) January 8, 2024

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Trump & Co. only appeal to the lower common denominator. MAGA loves this kind of behavior, and the rest of the country finds it a turnoff.

He has no desire to actually win the votes of the people who will decide the election. Either he is delusional and actually thinks that MAGA is 90% of the country, or he knows deep down he has no chance, but he just has to continue the grift one last time.

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You realize that 99% of America doesn't know or care about the origins of the Civil War, right?

They can tell you who won the last 5 seasons of The Voice, though…

One place where DeSantis has failed is not knowing his audience…. He doesn't connect well with those he needs to get elected…

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So Trump makes a completely ignorant and frankly offensive statement about the Civil War (and I can assure you more than 1% of the population understands the origins of the Civil War), and your response is that DeSantis doesn't know his audience and can't connect with people?

Well I will agree with you that DeSantis isn't able to come up with completely idiotic and ignorant statements and get his supporters to not only excuse it but blame his opponent.

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If DeSantis could connect with people better, he would be more competitive in this primary race...

But alas...he isn't...

The proof is in the pudding...

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Well we will start finding out in a week about how competitive DeSantis is.

That said it has ZERO to do with the point made. It's simply you trying to deflect for Trump from his idiotic statement. So do you think Trump would have negotiated a peaceful resolution and avoided the Civil War as he claims then?

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Ugh...I'm not trying to deflect *****..

Trump made a stupid statement...news flash..he makes a TON of stupid statements...

New Flash #2 (and try to pay attention here)...the majority of R voters nationally (and by majority, I truly mean >50%) don't give two ****s that he makes stupid statements...

News Flash #3 (and this where I think a lot of y'all are being hypocritical, and I will also state this is the category of voter that I am going to fall into, and you too are admittedly going to fall into)...the vast majority of R voters realize Trump makes a lot of dumb comments, yet they will hold their collective noses and vote FOR him next November...

So, in summary...Trump says a lot fo dumb *****..but when the rubber meets the road next November, millions upon millions of people will still vote for him...

That's not commentary on Trump...that's commentary (and frankly, an indictment) on what our society has become...

The DeSantis approaches to this primary shows that he doesn't get that, or at the very least, he isn't willing to cater to that... Good for him! He stands by his convictions! Love it!

It still isn't going to get him elected this time...

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Can these people be any lower rent?

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As noted above by the poll expert, it's more important to appeal to the lowest common denominator than to have intelligent conversation about actually advancing conservative principles.

That's where we are as a country and why it isn't sustainable.

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Loomer planning more disruptions.

Trump is so desperate that his surrogates are encouraging his followers to disrupt DeSantis events in Iowa.

They'll show up, scream, yell, and cause chaos, then cry crocodile tears and play the victim when they're kicked out.

Can these people be any lower rent? pic.twitter.com/Zf9MH2OfhH

— John Cardillo (@johncardillo) January 8, 2024

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Best part about that is Trump does everything possible to avoid answering any questions he doesn't like.

The second best part is that any questions from Loomer or her supporters are deranged stuff. I wonder if she wants someone to ask Casey about faking her cancer or DeSantis about killing his sister?

The third best part is watching Trump supporters try to deny Loomer is extremely close to Trump and is almost certainly acting on his orders.

She's going to make a great Press Secretary for him.

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You realize that 99% of America doesn't know or care about the origins of the Civil War, right?

They can tell you who won the last 5 seasons of The Voice, though…

One place where DeSantis has failed is not knowing his audience…. He doesn't connect well with those he needs to get elected…

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So Trump makes a completely ignorant and frankly offensive statement about the Civil War (and I can assure you more than 1% of the population understands the origins of the Civil War), and your response is that DeSantis doesn't know his audience and can't connect with people?

Well I will agree with you that DeSantis isn't able to come up with completely idiotic and ignorant statements and get his supporters to not only excuse it but blame his opponent.

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If DeSantis could connect with people better, he would be more competitive in this primary race...

But alas...he isn't...

The proof is in the pudding...

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Well we will start finding out in a week about how competitive DeSantis is.

That said it has ZERO to do with the point made. It's simply you trying to deflect for Trump from his idiotic statement. So do you think Trump would have negotiated a peaceful resolution and avoided the Civil War as he claims then?

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Actually I have no doubt that Trump would have avoided the Civil War.

of course, as a result of his "compromise" there would now be 12 million slaves in the United States.

That's because some of you on here have your damn blinders on, and if someone notes anything critical or negative of DeSanits, "well sure as *****..they must be a Trumper!!!"

It's simply not true, but a lot of you refuse to believe it...

From the 30,000' level, this is what DeSantis faced coming into this, and I said it at the beginning, and it sure seems to have played out exactly as I feared/predicted...

Trump isn't the "incumbent", but he is getting incumbent-level treatment from the averag R voter...the polling numbers show this (yes, y'all hate polls...I get it...but if you look at trends in this R cycle for non-incumbents and compare them to past R primary cycles, Trump polls "like an incumbent" for the most part)...

Trump also has a huge echo chamber that was going to be diffiecult to be heard in unless DeSantis could grab some serious headlines...

DeSantis has run a campaign based on "steak", with little attention to "sizzle"... It starte day 1 on his failed Twitter campaign launch...a significant amount of press-annaouncements and such to build up to the big announcement...where we were hoping to see some "sizzle" that caught voters' attention so that they would listen to the "steak"...the platform failed, and his big announcement was a flop...

Since then, there has been no "sizzle" to catch the eye of Average Joe Republican Voter... And though you and I may not like it, and we can pontificate ad nauseum as to how foolish it is to not give attention to the "steak" that Desantis's leadership likely brings, the fact of the matter is, in this backward society...you need to flash some "sizzle" to catch their eye, or you will be lost in the echo chamber...

I said it back then, and it has proven out through this process...doesn't mean I like it or support it, but that is the inertia DeSantis faced, and he has been unable to reverse it...

Good thing Trump is discussing water and it's effect on magnets! Very important to the lives of all Americans!

Wild idea: How about avoiding BOTH senile old men running for president? https://t.co/kzoHd0yXtA

— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) January 8, 2024

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That's because some of you on here have your damn blinders on, and if someone notes anything critical or negative of DeSanits, "well sure as *****..they must be a Trumper!!!"

It's simply not true, but a lot of you refuse to believe it...

From the 30,000' level, this is what DeSantis faced coming into this, and I said it at the beginning, and it sure seems to have played out exactly as I feared/predicted...

Trump isn't the "incumbent", but he is getting incumbent-level treatment from the averag R voter...the polling numbers show this (yes, y'all hate polls...I get it...but if you look at trends in this R cycle for non-incumbents and compare them to past R primary cycles, Trump polls "like an incumbent" for the most part)...

Trump also has a huge echo chamber that was going to be diffiecult to be heard in unless DeSantis could grab some serious headlines...

DeSantis has run a campaign based on "steak", with little attention to "sizzle"... It starte day 1 on his failed Twitter campaign launch...a significant amount of press-annaouncements and such to build up to the big announcement...where we were hoping to see some "sizzle" that caught voters' attention so that they would listen to the "steak"...the platform failed, and his big announcement was a flop...

Since then, there has been no "sizzle" to catch the eye of Average Joe Republican Voter... And though you and I may not like it, and we can pontificate ad nauseum as to how foolish it is to not give attention to the "steak" that Desantis's leadership likely brings, the fact of the matter is, in this backward society...you need to flash some "sizzle" to catch their eye, or you will be lost in the echo chamber...

I said it back then, and it has proven out through this process...doesn't mean I like it or support it, but that is the inertia DeSantis faced, and he has been unable to reverse it...

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Ok, you have made that point about 100 times. What you haven't explained is what that has to do with Trump saying he would have negotiated us out of the Civil War outside of "Trump says dumb things" and then criticizing DeSantis campaign again out of the blue which has nothing to do with Trump's comment.

Your answer to everything is to talk about polls or to criticize DeSantis' campaign. That's fine but don't be surprised when you continue to get called out on it.

I'm fine with folks supporting Trump but I am going to do my best to make sure they understand what they are supporting and what they are choosing not to support. Poll numbers and campaign quality are irrelevant to that. My days of carrying water for Trump are over, he can stand on his own and his own words.

Why is that "weird"? It's only "weird" because you have a false, pre-conceived notion about where I am coming from...

I don't embrace your narrative, so I "must be a Trumper"...you're one of those I am referring to...you hear what you want to hear, but you don't actually listen to what I have been saying all along...

To that poll specifically...it's an interesting data point...but it is just one data point... Further, as the author readily admits, it is the first ever of its kind...

Could their algorithm turn out to be the "Holy Grail" of polling? Sure as **** could...but it will require multiple iterations of accurate forecasts to be considered a well-established poll...

The beauty of the RCP and 538 forecasts is that they are based on an average of polls...not any single poll, and they both readily admit they missed on 2016 because the algorithms being used in the polling at that time were over-sampling Ds in the national and state polls during the general election...for which MANY (if not most) polling entities adjusted their alogrithms to remove much of the D-bias... So, I have been making my conclusions based on an AVERAGE of MULTIPLE polls, not simply one single poll...

Further, and as it relates to THIS poll you want so desperately for me to aknowledge, I actually think that THIS poll is picking up on precisely what I have been saying, if you had paid attention (which you haven't been)...

I think the margin of vicotry for Trump in Iowa will be significantly LESS than what the current Iowa polling averages show...and I think the poll you are noting is absolutely an indication of that...

But what I don't believe is that the polling averages are >33 points off... I believe they could actually be as much as 20 points off (which would be absolutely unprecedented in Iowa on caucus day), but even if they are that far off, it doesn't change the fact that Trump still wins...

So I think Iowa is going to be a lot closer than the polling averages indicate...and I have said that repeatedly...I just don't think it matters with regard to the ultimate outcome...

And if I am wrong, and DeSantis pulls out a seeming "miracle", then yahoo! Way to go Ron! He still looks like he will get his clock cleaned in NH, SC, and Nevada... What I DO think an Iowa win would do for him is give him enough momentum to make it through Super Tuesday and see where the cards fall then...without an Iowa win, though...I think his campaign is in hospice care for the 2024 cycle...

Bud...NO ONE CARES what Trump said about negotiating us out of the Civil War...

THAT is my point...

That line of dialog means Jack *****t to Average Joe Republican Voter...

AJRV sees one thing right now...their life was better from 2016-2020 (even with the Covid crap) than it is today...

They want to go back to what they had then, because in their mind, that's a "good win" (whether you or I agree with that line of thinking or not)...

Who could "negotiate the Civil War'? Tell me...how does that address the fact that milk and gasoline are competing daily for which is more expensive per gallon (right now, milk is WINNING the "stupidly priced" award thanks, in part, to gas trying to compete for the "stupildy priced" award)?

People care about what's in (and not in) their wallets...that has zero to do with some stupid Civil War negotiation argument...

Hmm. Problems in Nikki Land?

Check out this video on the Nikki Haley momentum in Iowa:

‘This event was supposed to start several minutes ago, but there’s nothing but empty chairs, stuff packed up in the corner and a few Nikki Haley signs here and there’ pic.twitter.com/s2XVHp8kTl

— Josh Power 🇺🇸 (@JoshPower80) January 8, 2024

Her momentum has slowed in Iowa…she had a boost for a bit but definitely leveled off the last two weeks…

Her momentum is nationally and along East Coast right now…

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Her momentum has slowed in Iowa…she had a boost for a bit but definitely leveled off the last two weeks…

Her momentum is nationally and along East Coast right now…

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And having an empty diner at the time when people would be there eating breakfast anyway?

YIKES!

I think she's conceding Iowa, which is why when she started tightening the gap between her and DeSantis in Iowa, I think she was a bit surprised herself…she really seemed to benefit from the debates more than anyone…

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I think she's conceding Iowa, which is why when she started tightening the gap between her and DeSantis in Iowa, I think she was a bit surprised herself…she really seemed to benefit from the debates more than anyone…

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I would not say she's conceding as much as mindful that her appearing at an empty diner is bad optics.

Oh for sure…but my point is that I don't think she invested a lot of capital in Iowa to begin with…that she closed that gap big time caught her off guard…