policywonk98 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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policywonk9 said:

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The generic voter seems to be saying they know Trump, he has his flaws, but he exerts strength and confidence and the world needs America to be that right now.

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How in the blue Hell does he exude strength and/or confidence?

2016, aided by the MSM fear mongering that he'd start WW3? Sure, I can see it.

2023, after he got gaped at every turn and now is obviously suffering a mental, and physical, decline?

LOLnope

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You can't selectively quote what I said. It takes this statement out of context. I'm reporting on what I think people are thinking in these poll results.

Then I say I think they are wrong about who would be best for what they are thinking. But that's what they are thinking vs. Biden. That any GOP candidate would exert more strength than Biden.

Sheesh. I feel like I've been around here long enough that you should give me the benefit of the doubt.

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Wasn't aimed at you, but your hypothetical morons thinking that.

Didn't mean to convey otherwise.

Rapier108 said:

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Poll trolling

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I'm a little poll troll,
short and fat,
here is my handle,
and that's where it's at.

And another poll comes along with the real news...

https://texasscorecard.com/federal/ron-desantis-files-for-texas-primary/

Actually doing something!?

Why not just whine about it, for years?

TRM said:

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We need term limits for members of Congress.

As President, I have a plan for how to make this happen. pic.twitter.com/FgkZ9Sk2P2

— Ron DeSantis (@RonDeSantis) November 28, 2023

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RDS seems like a more competent ted cruz but at least ted has zingers on twitter.

FireAg said:

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It appears that Trump is starting to pull away from Biden and even further away from DeSantis/Haley... It should be noted that, DeSantis vs Biden is now polling at an average of DeSantis +0.8, so he too is currently preferred nationally over Biden...




On a state level, both DeSantis and Haley have gained some marginal ground on Trump in Iowa (but they do indeed appear to be gains) with less than 2-months to the caucuses, while in New Hampshire, it's looking like a Trump vs. Haley contest (and Trump has slipped some while Haley has enjoyed a meteoric rise there, but DeSantis and Ramaswamy look to be in a battle for 4th/5th):




NOTE: I know, I know...polls don't matter...

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The most relevant poll is Iowa but there has only been 1 Iowa poll in the last month. It's a strange coincidence that seems to be the most ignored when it is the most relevant. It's also a Caucus state making it extremely hard to get accurate polling. The other polls will move after Iowa in one direction or the other since there are a few weeks after Iowa until NH.

Trump is definitely in the strongest position certainly but we will find out in about 50 days now.

National polls have very little relevance.

The gap keeps widening for Trump. And again, I wouldnt be surprised to see Haley overtake ronald before this is over.

You do remember Joe got 81,000,000 votes.

Trump got the most votes of any sitting president and still lost by 7,000,000.



Rolling out another suit is the answer.

LMAO

PA24 said:

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You do remember Joe got 81,000,000 votes.

Trump got the most votes of any sitting president and still lost by 7,000,000.



Rolling out another suit is the answer.

LMAO

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Not sure I understand the point of this post…

I'm not saying what is the right or wrong answer…I'm only saying that the answer the electorate is going to provide from the R side, whether you like it or not, appears to be Trump…not one shred of empirical data has been provided to dispute this outcome so far…

Iowa is less than 2 months away…and he's currently ahead there, and the he is trouncing the field in New Hampshire, with Haley the only one closing the gap (though it currently looks like too little too late)…

At this stage, all of the talk about beating Trump is just that…talk…and it's empty talk at that…

The only way to beat Trump this cycle is for him to not be on the ballot…

FireAg said:

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PA24 said:

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You do remember Joe got 81,000,000 votes.

Trump got the most votes of any sitting president and still lost by 7,000,000.



Rolling out another suit is the answer.

LMAO

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Not sure I understand the point of this post…

I'm not saying what is the right or wrong answer…I'm only saying that the answer the electorate is going to provide from the R side, whether you like it or not, appears to be Trump…not one shred of empirical data has been provided to dispute this outcome so far…

Iowa is less than 2 months away…and he's currently ahead there, and the he is trouncing the field in Hew Hampshire, with Haley the only one closing the gap (though it currently looks like too little too late)…

At this stage, all of the talk about beating Trump is just that…talk…and it's empty talk at that…

The only way to beat Trump this cycle is for him to not be on the ballot…

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No matter how many times you say this as if it's a fact, it's purely a guess at this point.

FireAg said:

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PA24 said:

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You do remember Joe got 81,000,000 votes.

Trump got the most votes of any sitting president and still lost by 7,000,000.



Rolling out another suit is the answer.

LMAO

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Not sure I understand the point of this post…

I'm not saying what is the right or wrong answer…I'm only saying that the answer the electorate is going to provide from the R side, whether you like it or not, appears to be Trump…not one shred of empirical data has been provided to dispute this outcome so far…

Iowa is less than 2 months away…and he's currently ahead there, and the he is trouncing the field in New Hampshire, with Haley the only one closing the gap (though it currently looks like too little too late)…

At this stage, all of the talk about beating Trump is just that…talk…and it's empty talk at that…

The only way to beat Trump this cycle is for him to not be on the ballot…

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Actually the only way to beat Trump is to get more people to show up to Caucus in Iowa and vote in NH. Both of those states are notorious for being difficult to poll and for breaking late.

If Trump wins big in Iowa he will win. If not then it's a new game. It's that simple. Haley has no path to win because she doesn't crossover with Trump voters and she hasn't even put up delegates in some states, including early states like Nevada.

So let's just see what happens in less than 50 days.

They only considered them as a money laundering, terrorist organization for a little while... all good now!

RedHand said:

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aggie93 said:

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BLM praising Donald Trump — and Trump celebrating it — makes perfect sense.

When BLM was burning down cities and assaulting police officers in cities across this country, Trump did nothing but sit in the White House tweeting “LAW & ORDER!”

We did it differently in Florida. I… pic.twitter.com/bh83GxxNZH

— Ron DeSantis (@RonDeSantis) November 29, 2023

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The mental gymnastics from the Trumpers will be fun to watch.

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You mean the quick google search. Here is a link More info

Fun quotes from the article:
"In response to recent media coverage, BLM RI PAC (Black Lives Matter Rhode Island Political Action Committee) is issuing a statement to clarify that Mark Fisher is not and has never been affiliated with our organization. The views expressed by Mr. Fisher in the referenced Fox News segment do not reflect the values or beliefs of BLM RI PAC. We would like to emphasize that Mark Fisher claims association with Black Lives Matter Rhode Island, a non profit organization. Any statements or actions attributed to him should not be conflated with our organization.

Also since it has been claimed many times by the F16 Pearl clutchers: "that Fisher considers himself an independent, and has become "disillusioned" by the Democratic Party."

So really this is a story of Trump winning over an independent that realized the lies of the democrat party. Saying BLM support is a smart way to market it. His goal isn't to grow support among the conservatives but rather independents. Crazy concept I know that will escape many here.

FireAg said:

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BigRobSA said:

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FireAg said:

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BigRobSA said:

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policywonk9 said:

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The generic voter seems to be saying they know Trump, he has his flaws, but he exerts strength and confidence and the world needs America to be that right now.

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How in the blue Hell does he exude strength and/or confidence?

2016, aided by the MSM fear mongering that he'd start WW3? Sure, I can see it.

2023, after he got gaped at every turn and now is obviously suffering a mental, and physical, decline?

LOLnope

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If the R primary for every state was today...who do you think would win it?

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Probably Trump, because the GOP is full of mouth-breathing tards.

And America would lose.

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I agree with you...so if that's true, then how exactly do you classify current polling average trends as "trolling"?

If you (or others) have empirical data that contradicts what these "fake polls" are showing, then by all means, post them...

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Hahaha, BigRob walked right into that one.
On one hand BigRob admits presently Trump would win. But on the other hand thinks polls that show Trump would win can't be trusted. That is a tough one to come back from.

Oh by the way, Georgi still doesn't support Trump so that means all polling that indicates Trump is going to win is wrong according to the F16 DeSantis supporters.

I'm legit curious about this and want to know the full story. I'm sorry, but BLM supporting Trump and Trump proudly working with them may just be the straw that broke this camel's back. If Trump is willing to compromise his personal ethics enough to work with BLM, or really just show that he has none, then WTF makes him any different than a Dem and why should I vote for him?

EDIT after seeing the above additional info about Fisher. If so, then I say this is horrible marketing by Trump. Neither his MAGA base nor pretty much any Republican is gonna take working with BLM as a positive. And there's no independents or democrats who are gonna see this Trump post about working with BLM and suddenly switch to voting for him. Come on, be realistic. This is one more example of Trump losing his touch.

The point is Trump knows he already has his base R support. He doesn't have to spend his efforts winning over primary republicans by racing to the right, he can instead attack strongholds of the left. In this case independents.

Disagree. The middle 50-60% are persuadable. Stuff like BLM turns them off.

TRM said:

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Disagree. The middle 50-60% are persuadable. Stuff like BLM turns them off.

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What's turning off voters right now when it comes to Trump? He's gaining steam currently, not losing it…

texagbeliever said:

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The point is Trump knows he already has his base R support. He doesn't have to spend his efforts winning over primary republicans by racing to the right, he can instead attack strongholds of the left. In this case independents.

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I just disagree that he'll win over anybody by claiming allegiance/alliance/whatever with BLM.

The only people still backing BLM are far enough left that they're not going to be persuaded by any argument to vote for Trump. All they'll do is label any black people supporting Trump as "Uncle Toms".

And I'll bet that any black people currently supporting Trump aren't fans of BLM.

Those are two wholely seperate groups and Trump isn't winning over either of them by exaggerared claims that he's working with and/or beloved by BLM. It shows an inability to read the audience and another example of Trump losing his touch.

Lemme tell you what WILL win people over…

Their lives SUCK under the current administration…most independents had better lives between 2016-2020 than they have since…

texagbeliever said:

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The point is Trump knows he already has his base R support. He doesn't have to spend his efforts winning over primary republicans by racing to the right, he can instead attack strongholds of the left. In this case independents.

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Please don't tell me you actually think Trump comparing himself to Lincoln is going to win over independents.

FireAg said:

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Lemme tell you what WILL win people over…

Their lives SUCK under the current administration…most independents had better lives between 2016-2020 than they have since…

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Starting around March of 2020 things sucked pretty hard.

texagbeliever said:

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RedHand said:

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aggie93 said:

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BLM praising Donald Trump — and Trump celebrating it — makes perfect sense.

When BLM was burning down cities and assaulting police officers in cities across this country, Trump did nothing but sit in the White House tweeting “LAW & ORDER!”

We did it differently in Florida. I… pic.twitter.com/bh83GxxNZH

— Ron DeSantis (@RonDeSantis) November 29, 2023

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The mental gymnastics from the Trumpers will be fun to watch.

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You mean the quick google search. Here is a link More info

Fun quotes from the article:
"In response to recent media coverage, BLM RI PAC (Black Lives Matter Rhode Island Political Action Committee) is issuing a statement to clarify that Mark Fisher is not and has never been affiliated with our organization. The views expressed by Mr. Fisher in the referenced Fox News segment do not reflect the values or beliefs of BLM RI PAC. We would like to emphasize that Mark Fisher claims association with Black Lives Matter Rhode Island, a non profit organization. Any statements or actions attributed to him should not be conflated with our organization.

Also since it has been claimed many times by the F16 Pearl clutchers: "that Fisher considers himself an independent, and has become "disillusioned" by the Democratic Party."

So really this is a story of Trump winning over an independent that realized the lies of the democrat party. Saying BLM support is a smart way to market it. His goal isn't to grow support among the conservatives but rather independents. Crazy concept I know that will escape many here.

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FireAg said:

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TRM said:

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Disagree. The middle 50-60% are persuadable. Stuff like BLM turns them off.

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What's turning off voters right now when it comes to Trump? He's gaining steam currently, not losing it…

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They ginned up support for Trump with the BS charges in NY, then followed it up with 6 more months of charges. Iowa falls then it shows Trump is beatable and you'll start to see some of the national polls move as people realize they can move on.

Bud…Iowa isn't going to go to DeSantis unless something drastic happens in the next 6 weeks…

Sure, let's call the game at half time.

TRM said:

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Sure, let's call the game at half time.

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Zero votes have been cast and polls mean nothing in a caucus state. He's basically trying to call it in the preseason.

FireAg said:

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Bud…Iowa isn't going to go to DeSantis unless something drastic happens in the next 6 weeks…

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Cruz had 10k people signed up to Caucus for him in '16 and got 48k votes. If the only poll in the last month (strangely they aren't polling Iowa) is correct DeSantis should get about 30k votes. He currently has 35k who have signed up to Caucus for him and rising.

So I guess we will see.

Democrats already created a party that it didn't matter what you believed or your character, as long as you voted their way you were credited righteous. That is now the Republican Party, too. You can be a forever war globalist (Lindsey Graham), a psychologically broken female…

— Steve Deace (@SteveDeaceShow) November 29, 2023

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Democrats already created a party that it didn't matter what you believed or your character, as long as you voted their way you were credited righteous. That is now the Republican Party, too. You can be a forever war globalist (Lindsey Graham), a psychologically broken female impersonator (Bruce Jenner), and now a BLM activist. But if you pimp Trump you are good to go. Both parties have now largely succumbed to identity-based politics.

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I'd like to know how this is wrong.

Excellent.

Also

The difference is that Democrats want to win elections and advance their agenda. And Republicans want to make money while Rome burns.

— Rick Shaftan -- Neighborhood Research and Media (@Shaftan) November 29, 2023

The thing I like best about the BLM stuff. This guy founded the Rhode Island BLM Chapter. RI is 5% Black with 1 million people. So there are about 50k Black people in RI.

I guess it is better than the BLM Leader from Vermont though.