The attacks on DeSantis are more and more coming from the left.Rapier108 said:
And now MAGA is reduced to using and loving the New York Slimes.
They can't even defend Trump, or say why people should vote for him, so it is now down to which can posts more memes.
Are you insane? Or just can't take a joke? I only posted the article because another poster referenced it without providing any additional context and then made a joke about the repetitive nature of many of the posts on this thread.Rapier108 said:
And now MAGA is reduced to using and loving the New York Slimes.
They can't even defend Trump, or say why people should vote for him, so it is now down to which can posts more memes.
A beautiful day in Iowa, during a Hawkeye game day…and Iowans are still showing up to cheer on @RonDeSantis 🔥🔥🔥amazing crowd here in Clinton.
— Sophie Crowell (@sophie_crowell) October 21, 2023
📍Clinton County #83/99 pic.twitter.com/tiwET732ry
Sparse crowd in Clive, Iowa yesterday. Unless it’s an existing event, like a state fair, Trump isn’t the draw he once was. Sad! pic.twitter.com/tlJkieDiJU
— Scott Morefield (@SKMorefield) October 17, 2023
Yes, that NYT article which almost certainly is using Trump surrogates as sources was what I was referring to. Trump has always had a close relationship with Maggie Halberman and the NYT and they feed off each other.aggiehawg said:
This one? LINK
Some tidbits:Quote:
In early May, as Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida prepared to run for president, about a dozen right-wing social media influencers gathered at his pollster's home for cocktails and a poolside buffet.
The guests all had large followings or successful podcasts and were already fans of the governor. But Mr. DeSantis's team wanted to turn them into a battalion of on-message surrogates who could tangle with Donald J. Trump and his supporters online.
For some, however, the gathering had the opposite effect, according to three attendees who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they did not want to damage their relationships with the governor or other Republican leaders.
Mr. DeSantis's advisers were defensive when asked about campaign strategy, they said, and struggled to come up with talking points beyond the vague notion of "freedom." Some of the guests at the meeting, which has not previously been reported, left doubtful that the DeSantis camp knew what it was in for.
Four months later, those worries seem more than justified. Mr. DeSantis's hyper-online strategy, once viewed as a potential strength, quickly became a glaring weakness on the presidential trail, with a series of gaffes, unforced errors and blown opportunities, according to former staff members, influencers with ties to the campaign and right-wing commentators.
Even after a recent concerted effort to reboot, the campaign has had trouble shaking off a reputation for being thin-skinned and meanspirited online, repeatedly insulting Trump supporters and alienating potential allies. Some of its most visible efforts including videos employing a Nazi symbol and homoerotic images have turned off donors and drawn much-needed attention away from the candidate. And, despite positioning itself as a social media-first campaign, it has been unable to halt the cascade of internet memes that belittle and ridicule Mr. DeSantis.And then there's this.Quote:
The trouble began immediately. When Mr. DeSantis rolled out his campaign in a live chat on Twitter, the servers crashed, booting hundreds of thousands of people off the feed and drawing widespread ridicule.
When his campaign manager at the time, Generra Peck, discussed the fiasco at a meeting the next morning, she claimed the launch was so popular it broke the internet, according to three attendees, former aides who insisted on anonymity for fear of reprisal for discussing internal operations.
Each recalled being flabbergasted at the apparent disconnect: Senior staff members seemed convinced that an embarrassing disaster had somehow been a victory.
Ms. Peck exercised little oversight of the campaign's online operations, which were anchored by a team known internally as the "war room," according to the three former aides. The team consisted of high-energy, young staffers many just out of college who spent their days scanning the internet for noteworthy story lines, composing posts and dreaming up memes and videos they hoped would go viral.
At the helm was Christina Pushaw, Mr. DeSantis's rapid response director. Ms. Pushaw has become well known for her extremely online approach to communications, including a scorched-earth strategy when it comes to critics and the press. As the governor's press secretary, she frequently posted screenshots of queries from mainstream news outlets on the web rather than responding to them and once told followers to "drag" parlance for a prolonged public shaming an Associated Press reporter, which got her temporarily banned from Twitter.
Long before the presidential run was official, Ms. Pushaw and some others on the internet team often posting under the handle @DeSantisWarRoom aggressively went after critics, attacking the "legacy media" while promoting the governor's agenda in Florida.Hmm. Rings a bell but I can't quite put my finger on it.Quote:
The existing network of DeSantis influencers has presented challenges for the campaign. Online surrogates for Mr. DeSantis have repeatedly parroted, word for word, the talking points emailed to them each day by the campaign, undermining the effort to project an image of widespread and organic support.
Last month, for example, three different accounts almost simultaneously posted about Mr. Trump getting booed at a college football game in Iowa. Bill Mitchell, a DeSantis supporter with a large following on X, said the identical posts were coincidental.
"I talk with all of the team members when necessary but other than the daily emails get no specific direction," he said.
You might want to let Trump know about that.Quote:
Trump has always had a close relationship with Maggie Halberman and the NYT and they feed off each other.
Are you serious? He has always been a source for her. This is not a secret. They use each other.aggiehawg said:You might want to let Trump know about that.Quote:
Trump has always had a close relationship with Maggie Halberman and the NYT and they feed off each other.
Quote:
Donald Trump seems to have a soft spot for New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman.
According to an excerpt from Haberman's new book, Trump gushed to his aides during one of his interviews with the Pulitzer Prize-winning Times journalist: "I love being with her, she's like my psychiatrist."
TRM said:
https://nypost.com/2022/09/26/donald-trump-calls-nyt-reporter-maggie-haberman-his-psychiatrist/Quote:
Donald Trump seems to have a soft spot for New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman.
According to an excerpt from Haberman's new book, Trump gushed to his aides during one of his interviews with the Pulitzer Prize-winning Times journalist: "I love being with her, she's like my psychiatrist."
aggiehawg said:You might want to let Trump know about that.Quote:
Trump has always had a close relationship with Maggie Halberman and the NYT and they feed off each other.
The @RonDeSantis Never Back Down PAC sends this young man as a “tracker” to my NH events to take videos with the goal of capturing negative moments to feed to their online influencers. I’ve gotten to know him, he’s a good kid. And a hard worker too, which I respect. A good hire! pic.twitter.com/mzocungrPR
— Vivek Ramaswamy (@VivekGRamaswamy) October 20, 2023
Tibbers said:
And yet still enough an adversary to send Super Pac operatives to search for dirt. The knives indeed are out. Only the very best work Ron, eh guys! An objective person would look at the situation and laugh. It's hilarious and embarrassing, but y'all aren't objective are you?
More like counting flip flops.Tibbers said:
And yet still enough an adversary to send Super Pac operatives to search for dirt. The knives indeed are out. Only the very best work Ron, eh guys! An objective person would look at the situation and laugh. It's hilarious and embarrassing, but y'all aren't objective are you?
FL_Ag1998 said:
Wait, Ramaswamy is still in this race?
You mean DeSantis has people working to do opposition research?Tibbers said:
And yet still enough an adversary to send Super Pac operatives to search for dirt. The knives indeed are out. Only the very best work Ron, eh guys! An objective person would look at the situation and laugh. It's hilarious and embarrassing, but y'all aren't objective are you?
TRM said:More like counting flip flops.Tibbers said:
And yet still enough an adversary to send Super Pac operatives to search for dirt. The knives indeed are out. Only the very best work Ron, eh guys! An objective person would look at the situation and laugh. It's hilarious and embarrassing, but y'all aren't objective are you?
So sending someone to your opponent's events to record what happens is the same as being a source to a NYT Reporter and working with them to disparage other candidates?Tibbers said:aggiehawg said:You might want to let Trump know about that.Quote:
Trump has always had a close relationship with Maggie Halberman and the NYT and they feed off each other.
I mean, he does have a relationship with Maggie. However, I do find this particularly hilarious. Ron sends acolyte to Vivek functions for some dirt and is caught red handed.The @RonDeSantis Never Back Down PAC sends this young man as a “tracker” to my NH events to take videos with the goal of capturing negative moments to feed to their online influencers. I’ve gotten to know him, he’s a good kid. And a hard worker too, which I respect. A good hire! pic.twitter.com/mzocungrPR
— Vivek Ramaswamy (@VivekGRamaswamy) October 20, 2023
Only the very best work for Ron.
So more NYT articles? lol. Wonder if they got Roger Stone or Laura Loomer for a source this time.Tibbers said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/21/us/politics/desantis-israel-hamas-visas.html
Interesting.
If you are on visa in the US you don't have the same rights as citizens. You have to agree to certain rules and procedures. If you are on visa you are a guest and you can have it revoked. This is nothing new or controversial.Tibbers said:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/desantis-says-he-would-cancel-student-visas-deport-foreign-nationals-celebrating-hamas-elected-president.amp
Is this a better source for ya? Attacks on first amendment rights regardless of how volatile the situation should not be tolerated by constitutionalists.
Ron DeSantis Wakes Up!
— TRUTH NOW ⭐️⭐️⭐️🗽 (@sxdoc) August 9, 2023
Trumps newest ad. Brilliant.
Trump is the Troller in Chief pic.twitter.com/FeZAmVyjm1
DeSantis has made similar ads of Trump praising him. DeSantis still praises and defends Trump on many issues and actions. Trump lies or says that Cuomo or Newsom are better Governors.annie88 said:
Even DeSantis loves him.
Over and over and over.
Brilliant Trump ad. (Although lots of dead space at the end, cuts off about :55)Ron DeSantis Wakes Up!
— TRUTH NOW ⭐️⭐️⭐️🗽 (@sxdoc) August 9, 2023
Trumps newest ad. Brilliant.
Trump is the Troller in Chief pic.twitter.com/FeZAmVyjm1
aggie93 said:DeSantis has made similar ads of Trump praising him. DeSantis still praises and defends Trump on many issues and actions. Trump lies or says that Cuomo or Newsom are better Governors.annie88 said:
Even DeSantis loves him.
Over and over and over.
Brilliant Trump ad. (Although lots of dead space at the end, cuts off about :55)Ron DeSantis Wakes Up!
— TRUTH NOW ⭐️⭐️⭐️🗽 (@sxdoc) August 9, 2023
Trumps newest ad. Brilliant.
Trump is the Troller in Chief pic.twitter.com/FeZAmVyjm1
Beyond that it also ignores one of the most important issues of all. This isn't 2020 it's 2024. Trump is not the same person as he was then and the situation has also changed significantly. Trump has shifted on a lot of positions and he's going to be 78 next year.
The whole "If you supported Trump in the past you now must support him forever no matter what he does or says" is just weird, especially because Trump shifts and changes on who he supports all the time. It's the ultimate "rules for thee and not for me".
When you come to a country on visa you accept certain restrictions. These people aren't being thrown in jail they are simply getting a privilege revoked, it's not the same thing at all. We have deported people for all kinds of reasons as long as we have been a country. If you go to any other country they are far less lenient than we are. If you are on visa in a country you need to be respectful of that country, you are a guest and they can tell you to leave anytime.Tibbers said:
You really don't think first amendment rights aren't fundamental for all? I think that's a bit more pressing than which rag writes down the authoritarian words from your patron saint.
