J. Walter Weatherman said:

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texagbeliever said:

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Phatbob said:

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Wyoming said:

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I am with FireAg on this, and i will be voting for DeSantis in the primaries, and I expect to vote for Trump in the General.

Looking at Vegas betting odds online, DeSantis is at +700, which is around 12.5% chance and maybe a little less. Trump is around -400, which is around an 80% chance and maybe a little less of winning the Republican nomination.

So DeSantis has a chance yes, and if I had a 12% chance of winning the republican nomination, I would stay in too. But it is unlikely, and 4 out of 5 times Trump will win the nomination.

What I wouldn't do is spew vitriol over and disparage the likely republican nominee. Many on this board detest Trump, but the alternative which is an incapacitated Biden.

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If the Republican party embraces Trump, then it has embraced the Democrat party platform of the mid to late 90's. I didn't vote for it then, and I sure as hell am not voting for it now, because it is still the same problem it was then. I need more than "not Joe Biden" to justify voting for someone, because that isn't what the ballot is.

Look on your ballot when it's time to vote. It's doesn't have a "Not Joe Biden" slot. You are voting FOR someone. You can justify it in your mind if you need to, but I can't. Trump is part of the problem and him not running as a Dem doesn't make that go away.

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Ah the elitism that allows you to not vote for the least bad option because you have a nice house in a nice neighborhood that is largely insulated from all the problems. Congrats to you. You are hugely selfish and have a huge ego (ironic because this is your big gripe with Trump). The fact you have said this same thing now 5+ times on Texags goes to show you want EVERYONE to know how righteous you are.

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Pointing out trumpism is a cancer to the party and the cause of the GOP's underperformance in the last three elections is not elitism, it's common sense. Once he loses to Biden again and likely also causes the dems to take both the house and senate hopefully people will finally see this and we can all move on.

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He is pointing out how he won't vote for Trump. And sure he provides his justification but it isn't his main point.

If i said i will either cut off your leg or punch you in the stomach and you said well I'm not going to vote because getting punched in the stomach is bad so I'm indifferent than that is stupid. It is objectively beyond all measure that Trump is better than Biden for the poster and especially for most Americans. There is not arguing against that.

texagbeliever said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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texagbeliever said:

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Phatbob said:

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Wyoming said:

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I am with FireAg on this, and i will be voting for DeSantis in the primaries, and I expect to vote for Trump in the General.

Looking at Vegas betting odds online, DeSantis is at +700, which is around 12.5% chance and maybe a little less. Trump is around -400, which is around an 80% chance and maybe a little less of winning the Republican nomination.

So DeSantis has a chance yes, and if I had a 12% chance of winning the republican nomination, I would stay in too. But it is unlikely, and 4 out of 5 times Trump will win the nomination.

What I wouldn't do is spew vitriol over and disparage the likely republican nominee. Many on this board detest Trump, but the alternative which is an incapacitated Biden.

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If the Republican party embraces Trump, then it has embraced the Democrat party platform of the mid to late 90's. I didn't vote for it then, and I sure as hell am not voting for it now, because it is still the same problem it was then. I need more than "not Joe Biden" to justify voting for someone, because that isn't what the ballot is.

Look on your ballot when it's time to vote. It's doesn't have a "Not Joe Biden" slot. You are voting FOR someone. You can justify it in your mind if you need to, but I can't. Trump is part of the problem and him not running as a Dem doesn't make that go away.

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Ah the elitism that allows you to not vote for the least bad option because you have a nice house in a nice neighborhood that is largely insulated from all the problems. Congrats to you. You are hugely selfish and have a huge ego (ironic because this is your big gripe with Trump). The fact you have said this same thing now 5+ times on Texags goes to show you want EVERYONE to know how righteous you are.

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Pointing out trumpism is a cancer to the party and the cause of the GOP's underperformance in the last three elections is not elitism, it's common sense. Once he loses to Biden again and likely also causes the dems to take both the house and senate hopefully people will finally see this and we can all move on.

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He is pointing out how he won't vote for Trump. And sure he provides his justification but it isn't his main point.

If i said i will either cut off your leg or punch you in the stomach and you said well I'm not going to vote because getting punched in the stomach is bad so I'm indifferent than that is stupid. It is objectively beyond all measure that Trump is better than Biden for the poster and especially for most Americans. There is not arguing against that.

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This is your opinion and apparently not one shared by more than half of the country, and you have no idea if he's better than Biden for that poster or if who is president has any material impact on his daily life at all. Much like FireAg, Trumpers definitely seem to be confused by this whole fact vs opinion thing.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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texagbeliever said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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texagbeliever said:

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Phatbob said:

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Wyoming said:

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I am with FireAg on this, and i will be voting for DeSantis in the primaries, and I expect to vote for Trump in the General.

Looking at Vegas betting odds online, DeSantis is at +700, which is around 12.5% chance and maybe a little less. Trump is around -400, which is around an 80% chance and maybe a little less of winning the Republican nomination.

So DeSantis has a chance yes, and if I had a 12% chance of winning the republican nomination, I would stay in too. But it is unlikely, and 4 out of 5 times Trump will win the nomination.

What I wouldn't do is spew vitriol over and disparage the likely republican nominee. Many on this board detest Trump, but the alternative which is an incapacitated Biden.

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If the Republican party embraces Trump, then it has embraced the Democrat party platform of the mid to late 90's. I didn't vote for it then, and I sure as hell am not voting for it now, because it is still the same problem it was then. I need more than "not Joe Biden" to justify voting for someone, because that isn't what the ballot is.

Look on your ballot when it's time to vote. It's doesn't have a "Not Joe Biden" slot. You are voting FOR someone. You can justify it in your mind if you need to, but I can't. Trump is part of the problem and him not running as a Dem doesn't make that go away.

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Ah the elitism that allows you to not vote for the least bad option because you have a nice house in a nice neighborhood that is largely insulated from all the problems. Congrats to you. You are hugely selfish and have a huge ego (ironic because this is your big gripe with Trump). The fact you have said this same thing now 5+ times on Texags goes to show you want EVERYONE to know how righteous you are.

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Pointing out trumpism is a cancer to the party and the cause of the GOP's underperformance in the last three elections is not elitism, it's common sense. Once he loses to Biden again and likely also causes the dems to take both the house and senate hopefully people will finally see this and we can all move on.

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He is pointing out how he won't vote for Trump. And sure he provides his justification but it isn't his main point.

If i said i will either cut off your leg or punch you in the stomach and you said well I'm not going to vote because getting punched in the stomach is bad so I'm indifferent than that is stupid. It is objectively beyond all measure that Trump is better than Biden for the poster and especially for most Americans. There is not arguing against that.

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This is your opinion and apparently not one shared by more than half of the country, and you have no idea if he's better than Biden for that poster or if who is president has any material impact on his daily life at all. Much like FireAg, Trumpers definitely seem to be confused by this whole fact vs opinion thing.

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You can't be serious. You think Biden's term has been better for you, and Americans than Trump's? If you believe that then just wow. That is telling.

texagbeliever said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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texagbeliever said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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texagbeliever said:

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Phatbob said:

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Wyoming said:

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I am with FireAg on this, and i will be voting for DeSantis in the primaries, and I expect to vote for Trump in the General.

Looking at Vegas betting odds online, DeSantis is at +700, which is around 12.5% chance and maybe a little less. Trump is around -400, which is around an 80% chance and maybe a little less of winning the Republican nomination.

So DeSantis has a chance yes, and if I had a 12% chance of winning the republican nomination, I would stay in too. But it is unlikely, and 4 out of 5 times Trump will win the nomination.

What I wouldn't do is spew vitriol over and disparage the likely republican nominee. Many on this board detest Trump, but the alternative which is an incapacitated Biden.

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If the Republican party embraces Trump, then it has embraced the Democrat party platform of the mid to late 90's. I didn't vote for it then, and I sure as hell am not voting for it now, because it is still the same problem it was then. I need more than "not Joe Biden" to justify voting for someone, because that isn't what the ballot is.

Look on your ballot when it's time to vote. It's doesn't have a "Not Joe Biden" slot. You are voting FOR someone. You can justify it in your mind if you need to, but I can't. Trump is part of the problem and him not running as a Dem doesn't make that go away.

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Ah the elitism that allows you to not vote for the least bad option because you have a nice house in a nice neighborhood that is largely insulated from all the problems. Congrats to you. You are hugely selfish and have a huge ego (ironic because this is your big gripe with Trump). The fact you have said this same thing now 5+ times on Texags goes to show you want EVERYONE to know how righteous you are.

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Pointing out trumpism is a cancer to the party and the cause of the GOP's underperformance in the last three elections is not elitism, it's common sense. Once he loses to Biden again and likely also causes the dems to take both the house and senate hopefully people will finally see this and we can all move on.

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He is pointing out how he won't vote for Trump. And sure he provides his justification but it isn't his main point.

If i said i will either cut off your leg or punch you in the stomach and you said well I'm not going to vote because getting punched in the stomach is bad so I'm indifferent than that is stupid. It is objectively beyond all measure that Trump is better than Biden for the poster and especially for most Americans. There is not arguing against that.

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This is your opinion and apparently not one shared by more than half of the country, and you have no idea if he's better than Biden for that poster or if who is president has any material impact on his daily life at all. Much like FireAg, Trumpers definitely seem to be confused by this whole fact vs opinion thing.

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You can't be serious. You think Biden's term has been better for you, and Americans than Trump's? If you believe that then just wow. That is telling.

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Is that what I said? Or, did I say you have no idea if that poster's life was better, worse or basically unchanged by whichever of those two morons are in office?

Also, to the point of this thread - if you think Biden is a giant disaster then nominating the person who already lost to him once (when there's a great option staring you in the face) is a pretty terrible idea.

texagbeliever said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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texagbeliever said:

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Phatbob said:

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Wyoming said:

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I am with FireAg on this, and i will be voting for DeSantis in the primaries, and I expect to vote for Trump in the General.

Looking at Vegas betting odds online, DeSantis is at +700, which is around 12.5% chance and maybe a little less. Trump is around -400, which is around an 80% chance and maybe a little less of winning the Republican nomination.

So DeSantis has a chance yes, and if I had a 12% chance of winning the republican nomination, I would stay in too. But it is unlikely, and 4 out of 5 times Trump will win the nomination.

What I wouldn't do is spew vitriol over and disparage the likely republican nominee. Many on this board detest Trump, but the alternative which is an incapacitated Biden.

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If the Republican party embraces Trump, then it has embraced the Democrat party platform of the mid to late 90's. I didn't vote for it then, and I sure as hell am not voting for it now, because it is still the same problem it was then. I need more than "not Joe Biden" to justify voting for someone, because that isn't what the ballot is.

Look on your ballot when it's time to vote. It's doesn't have a "Not Joe Biden" slot. You are voting FOR someone. You can justify it in your mind if you need to, but I can't. Trump is part of the problem and him not running as a Dem doesn't make that go away.

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Ah the elitism that allows you to not vote for the least bad option because you have a nice house in a nice neighborhood that is largely insulated from all the problems. Congrats to you. You are hugely selfish and have a huge ego (ironic because this is your big gripe with Trump). The fact you have said this same thing now 5+ times on Texags goes to show you want EVERYONE to know how righteous you are.

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Pointing out trumpism is a cancer to the party and the cause of the GOP's underperformance in the last three elections is not elitism, it's common sense. Once he loses to Biden again and likely also causes the dems to take both the house and senate hopefully people will finally see this and we can all move on.

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He is pointing out how he won't vote for Trump. And sure he provides his justification but it isn't his main point.

If i said i will either cut off your leg or punch you in the stomach and you said well I'm not going to vote because getting punched in the stomach is bad so I'm indifferent than that is stupid. It is objectively beyond all measure that Trump is better than Biden for the poster and especially for most Americans. There is not arguing against that.

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That is where you are wrong. Trump is right in several areas and did some great stuff. But his deficiencies in some areas are SO bad, that he was a net negative. That is why you want us all to cast the blame for 2020 to everyone else instead of the man who was actually in charge that whole time, to ignore the actual net effect. So, yes, I do see it as a tossup. Trump is as bad for the country as Biden, but for totally different reasons. If I want to look at how his issues cause problems and not just look at the rosy propaganda, that is realism, not elitism.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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texagbeliever said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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texagbeliever said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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texagbeliever said:

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Phatbob said:

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Wyoming said:

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I am with FireAg on this, and i will be voting for DeSantis in the primaries, and I expect to vote for Trump in the General.

Looking at Vegas betting odds online, DeSantis is at +700, which is around 12.5% chance and maybe a little less. Trump is around -400, which is around an 80% chance and maybe a little less of winning the Republican nomination.

So DeSantis has a chance yes, and if I had a 12% chance of winning the republican nomination, I would stay in too. But it is unlikely, and 4 out of 5 times Trump will win the nomination.

What I wouldn't do is spew vitriol over and disparage the likely republican nominee. Many on this board detest Trump, but the alternative which is an incapacitated Biden.

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If the Republican party embraces Trump, then it has embraced the Democrat party platform of the mid to late 90's. I didn't vote for it then, and I sure as hell am not voting for it now, because it is still the same problem it was then. I need more than "not Joe Biden" to justify voting for someone, because that isn't what the ballot is.

Look on your ballot when it's time to vote. It's doesn't have a "Not Joe Biden" slot. You are voting FOR someone. You can justify it in your mind if you need to, but I can't. Trump is part of the problem and him not running as a Dem doesn't make that go away.

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Ah the elitism that allows you to not vote for the least bad option because you have a nice house in a nice neighborhood that is largely insulated from all the problems. Congrats to you. You are hugely selfish and have a huge ego (ironic because this is your big gripe with Trump). The fact you have said this same thing now 5+ times on Texags goes to show you want EVERYONE to know how righteous you are.

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Pointing out trumpism is a cancer to the party and the cause of the GOP's underperformance in the last three elections is not elitism, it's common sense. Once he loses to Biden again and likely also causes the dems to take both the house and senate hopefully people will finally see this and we can all move on.

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He is pointing out how he won't vote for Trump. And sure he provides his justification but it isn't his main point.

If i said i will either cut off your leg or punch you in the stomach and you said well I'm not going to vote because getting punched in the stomach is bad so I'm indifferent than that is stupid. It is objectively beyond all measure that Trump is better than Biden for the poster and especially for most Americans. There is not arguing against that.

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This is your opinion and apparently not one shared by more than half of the country, and you have no idea if he's better than Biden for that poster or if who is president has any material impact on his daily life at all. Much like FireAg, Trumpers definitely seem to be confused by this whole fact vs opinion thing.

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You can't be serious. You think Biden's term has been better for you, and Americans than Trump's? If you believe that then just wow. That is telling.

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Is that what I said? Or, did I say you have no idea if that poster's life was better, worse or basically unchanged by whichever of those two morons are in office?

Also, to the point of this thread - if you think Biden is a giant disaster then nominating the person who already lost to him once (when there's a great option staring you in the face) is a pretty terrible idea.

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I can tell you for a fact if Biden nominated the 3 supreme court justices instead of Trump then the poster's life would be way worse. Trump didn't have the Afghanistan disaster. Trump didn't push for federal vaccine mandates. Trump didn't blank fund Ukraine war. Trump didn't do nothing about the Southern border. All of this while every Trump pro conservative policy was instantly challenged by some super liberal district court that delayed and thwarted progress.

As to your second point, I don't take a few history data points and project to know the future perfectly.

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texagbeliever said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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texagbeliever said:

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Wyoming said:

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I am with FireAg on this, and i will be voting for DeSantis in the primaries, and I expect to vote for Trump in the General.

Looking at Vegas betting odds online, DeSantis is at +700, which is around 12.5% chance and maybe a little less. Trump is around -400, which is around an 80% chance and maybe a little less of winning the Republican nomination.

So DeSantis has a chance yes, and if I had a 12% chance of winning the republican nomination, I would stay in too. But it is unlikely, and 4 out of 5 times Trump will win the nomination.

What I wouldn't do is spew vitriol over and disparage the likely republican nominee. Many on this board detest Trump, but the alternative which is an incapacitated Biden.

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If the Republican party embraces Trump, then it has embraced the Democrat party platform of the mid to late 90's. I didn't vote for it then, and I sure as hell am not voting for it now, because it is still the same problem it was then. I need more than "not Joe Biden" to justify voting for someone, because that isn't what the ballot is.

Look on your ballot when it's time to vote. It's doesn't have a "Not Joe Biden" slot. You are voting FOR someone. You can justify it in your mind if you need to, but I can't. Trump is part of the problem and him not running as a Dem doesn't make that go away.

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Ah the elitism that allows you to not vote for the least bad option because you have a nice house in a nice neighborhood that is largely insulated from all the problems. Congrats to you. You are hugely selfish and have a huge ego (ironic because this is your big gripe with Trump). The fact you have said this same thing now 5+ times on Texags goes to show you want EVERYONE to know how righteous you are.

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Pointing out trumpism is a cancer to the party and the cause of the GOP's underperformance in the last three elections is not elitism, it's common sense. Once he loses to Biden again and likely also causes the dems to take both the house and senate hopefully people will finally see this and we can all move on.

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He is pointing out how he won't vote for Trump. And sure he provides his justification but it isn't his main point.

If i said i will either cut off your leg or punch you in the stomach and you said well I'm not going to vote because getting punched in the stomach is bad so I'm indifferent than that is stupid. It is objectively beyond all measure that Trump is better than Biden for the poster and especially for most Americans. There is not arguing against that.

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That is where you are wrong. Trump is right in several areas and did some great stuff. But his deficiencies in some areas are SO bad, that he was a net negative. That is why you want us all to cast the blame for 2020 to everyone else instead of the man who was actually in charge that whole time, to ignore the actual net effect. So, yes, I do see it as a tossup. Trump is as bad for the country as Biden, but for totally different reasons. If I want to look at how his issues cause problems and not just look at the rosy propaganda, that is realism, not elitism.

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Yawn. Trump was better on the border. Trump was better on foreign conflicts. Trump was better on the economy. Trump was better on covid (didn't do federal vaccine mandates and push that). Trump was better for the constitution; 3 supreme court justices that are actually conservatives and many conservative federal district court justices.

What are these major negatives that way overshadow all of those great policy areas that make your life, and most Americans lives worse off with Trump? mean tweets? Pathetic.

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Well in the RCP average, he leads Biden…

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Trumpers: the media is fake news!

Also Trumpers: the polls were all wrong in 2016!!!

Also Trumpers: Trump has to always fight the media!!!

Also Trumpers: Trump is leading Biden by 1.3 points in a national poll- he will win for sure!!

texagbeliever said:

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Phatbob said:

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texagbeliever said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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texagbeliever said:

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Wyoming said:

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I am with FireAg on this, and i will be voting for DeSantis in the primaries, and I expect to vote for Trump in the General.

Looking at Vegas betting odds online, DeSantis is at +700, which is around 12.5% chance and maybe a little less. Trump is around -400, which is around an 80% chance and maybe a little less of winning the Republican nomination.

So DeSantis has a chance yes, and if I had a 12% chance of winning the republican nomination, I would stay in too. But it is unlikely, and 4 out of 5 times Trump will win the nomination.

What I wouldn't do is spew vitriol over and disparage the likely republican nominee. Many on this board detest Trump, but the alternative which is an incapacitated Biden.

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If the Republican party embraces Trump, then it has embraced the Democrat party platform of the mid to late 90's. I didn't vote for it then, and I sure as hell am not voting for it now, because it is still the same problem it was then. I need more than "not Joe Biden" to justify voting for someone, because that isn't what the ballot is.

Look on your ballot when it's time to vote. It's doesn't have a "Not Joe Biden" slot. You are voting FOR someone. You can justify it in your mind if you need to, but I can't. Trump is part of the problem and him not running as a Dem doesn't make that go away.

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Ah the elitism that allows you to not vote for the least bad option because you have a nice house in a nice neighborhood that is largely insulated from all the problems. Congrats to you. You are hugely selfish and have a huge ego (ironic because this is your big gripe with Trump). The fact you have said this same thing now 5+ times on Texags goes to show you want EVERYONE to know how righteous you are.

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Pointing out trumpism is a cancer to the party and the cause of the GOP's underperformance in the last three elections is not elitism, it's common sense. Once he loses to Biden again and likely also causes the dems to take both the house and senate hopefully people will finally see this and we can all move on.

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He is pointing out how he won't vote for Trump. And sure he provides his justification but it isn't his main point.

If i said i will either cut off your leg or punch you in the stomach and you said well I'm not going to vote because getting punched in the stomach is bad so I'm indifferent than that is stupid. It is objectively beyond all measure that Trump is better than Biden for the poster and especially for most Americans. There is not arguing against that.

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That is where you are wrong. Trump is right in several areas and did some great stuff. But his deficiencies in some areas are SO bad, that he was a net negative. That is why you want us all to cast the blame for 2020 to everyone else instead of the man who was actually in charge that whole time, to ignore the actual net effect. So, yes, I do see it as a tossup. Trump is as bad for the country as Biden, but for totally different reasons. If I want to look at how his issues cause problems and not just look at the rosy propaganda, that is realism, not elitism.

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Yawn. Trump was better on the border. Trump was better on foreign conflicts. Trump was better on the economy. Trump was better on covid (didn't do federal vaccine mandates and push that). Trump was better for the constitution; 3 supreme court justices that are actually conservatives and many conservative federal district court justices.

What are these major negatives that way overshadow all of those great policy areas that make your life, and most Americans lives worse off with Trump? mean tweets? Pathetic.

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I'm not going to rehash the same old stuff that you dismiss as "not counting" for some reason or other. I look at what actually happened instead of saying only the good stuff can count. You've stated it before that people attach whatever good they think to Trump because he's a blank slate, and frankly, it's only half right. He's no blank slate, he just has people willing to ignore both the evidence of what he's done and what he says he wants to do.

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Funny, I see no targeted Trump ads on my IG or Twitter feed, but am getting ads for DeSantis, Christie, and Burgum.

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That is because you likely follow a ton of pro-DeSantis and anti Trump accounts. So you are being algorithmithed into receiving only ads for those candidates. How do you not know how targeted advertisement works in 2023?

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But I also get texts from Mayra Flores and the like and she mentions Trump in every link she sends. I see no ads in my browser for Trump.
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texagbeliever said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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texagbeliever said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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I am with FireAg on this, and i will be voting for DeSantis in the primaries, and I expect to vote for Trump in the General.

Looking at Vegas betting odds online, DeSantis is at +700, which is around 12.5% chance and maybe a little less. Trump is around -400, which is around an 80% chance and maybe a little less of winning the Republican nomination.

So DeSantis has a chance yes, and if I had a 12% chance of winning the republican nomination, I would stay in too. But it is unlikely, and 4 out of 5 times Trump will win the nomination.

What I wouldn't do is spew vitriol over and disparage the likely republican nominee. Many on this board detest Trump, but the alternative which is an incapacitated Biden.

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If the Republican party embraces Trump, then it has embraced the Democrat party platform of the mid to late 90's. I didn't vote for it then, and I sure as hell am not voting for it now, because it is still the same problem it was then. I need more than "not Joe Biden" to justify voting for someone, because that isn't what the ballot is.

Look on your ballot when it's time to vote. It's doesn't have a "Not Joe Biden" slot. You are voting FOR someone. You can justify it in your mind if you need to, but I can't. Trump is part of the problem and him not running as a Dem doesn't make that go away.

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Ah the elitism that allows you to not vote for the least bad option because you have a nice house in a nice neighborhood that is largely insulated from all the problems. Congrats to you. You are hugely selfish and have a huge ego (ironic because this is your big gripe with Trump). The fact you have said this same thing now 5+ times on Texags goes to show you want EVERYONE to know how righteous you are.

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Pointing out trumpism is a cancer to the party and the cause of the GOP's underperformance in the last three elections is not elitism, it's common sense. Once he loses to Biden again and likely also causes the dems to take both the house and senate hopefully people will finally see this and we can all move on.

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He is pointing out how he won't vote for Trump. And sure he provides his justification but it isn't his main point.

If i said i will either cut off your leg or punch you in the stomach and you said well I'm not going to vote because getting punched in the stomach is bad so I'm indifferent than that is stupid. It is objectively beyond all measure that Trump is better than Biden for the poster and especially for most Americans. There is not arguing against that.

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This is your opinion and apparently not one shared by more than half of the country, and you have no idea if he's better than Biden for that poster or if who is president has any material impact on his daily life at all. Much like FireAg, Trumpers definitely seem to be confused by this whole fact vs opinion thing.

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You can't be serious. You think Biden's term has been better for you, and Americans than Trump's? If you believe that then just wow. That is telling.

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Is that what I said? Or, did I say you have no idea if that poster's life was better, worse or basically unchanged by whichever of those two morons are in office?

Also, to the point of this thread - if you think Biden is a giant disaster then nominating the person who already lost to him once (when there's a great option staring you in the face) is a pretty terrible idea.

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I can tell you for a fact if Biden nominated the 3 supreme court justices instead of Trump then the poster's life would be way worse. Trump didn't have the Afghanistan disaster. Trump didn't push for federal vaccine mandates. Trump didn't blank fund Ukraine war. Trump didn't do nothing about the Southern border. All of this while every Trump pro conservative policy was instantly challenged by some super liberal district court that delayed and thwarted progress.

As to your second point, I don't take a few history data points and project to know the future perfectly.

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Here, let me help since you still seem to be struggling with this whole fact vs opinion thing.

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It is my opinion that if Biden nominated the 3 Supreme Court Justices instead of Trump's then the he poster's life would be way worse.

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See? Not that hard.

To your second point, you can ignore history all you want but it's still the most effective predictor of future performance - in my opinion, of course .

What did Trump do about these terrorists?

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Funny, I see no targeted Trump ads on my IG or Twitter feed, but am getting ads for DeSantis, Christie, and Burgum.

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That is because you likely follow a ton of pro-DeSantis and anti Trump accounts. So you are being algorithmithed into receiving only ads for those candidates. How do you not know how targeted advertisement works in 2023?

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But I also get texts from Mayra Flores and the like and she mentions Trump in every link she sends. I see no ads in my browser for Trump.
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Do you need it explained the difference between phone list and google cache advertising? I'm being serious you are quite ignorant on how ads work based on your last few posts.

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What did Trump do about these terrorists?

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Or this terrorist:

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Funny, I see no targeted Trump ads on my IG or Twitter feed, but am getting ads for DeSantis, Christie, and Burgum.

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That is because you likely follow a ton of pro-DeSantis and anti Trump accounts. So you are being algorithmithed into receiving only ads for those candidates. How do you not know how targeted advertisement works in 2023?

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But I also get texts from Mayra Flores and the like and she mentions Trump in every link she sends. I see no ads in my browser for Trump.
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Do you need it explained the difference between phone list and google cache advertising? I'm being serious you are quite ignorant on how ads work based on your last few posts.

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Must be nice living in your nice house in the nice neighborhood with your elitist "Google cache advertising"

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I am with FireAg on this, and i will be voting for DeSantis in the primaries, and I expect to vote for Trump in the General.

Looking at Vegas betting odds online, DeSantis is at +700, which is around 12.5% chance and maybe a little less. Trump is around -400, which is around an 80% chance and maybe a little less of winning the Republican nomination.

So DeSantis has a chance yes, and if I had a 12% chance of winning the republican nomination, I would stay in too. But it is unlikely, and 4 out of 5 times Trump will win the nomination.

What I wouldn't do is spew vitriol over and disparage the likely republican nominee. Many on this board detest Trump, but the alternative which is an incapacitated Biden.

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If the Republican party embraces Trump, then it has embraced the Democrat party platform of the mid to late 90's. I didn't vote for it then, and I sure as hell am not voting for it now, because it is still the same problem it was then. I need more than "not Joe Biden" to justify voting for someone, because that isn't what the ballot is.

Look on your ballot when it's time to vote. It's doesn't have a "Not Joe Biden" slot. You are voting FOR someone. You can justify it in your mind if you need to, but I can't. Trump is part of the problem and him not running as a Dem doesn't make that go away.

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Ah the elitism that allows you to not vote for the least bad option because you have a nice house in a nice neighborhood that is largely insulated from all the problems. Congrats to you. You are hugely selfish and have a huge ego (ironic because this is your big gripe with Trump). The fact you have said this same thing now 5+ times on Texags goes to show you want EVERYONE to know how righteous you are.

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Pointing out trumpism is a cancer to the party and the cause of the GOP's underperformance in the last three elections is not elitism, it's common sense. Once he loses to Biden again and likely also causes the dems to take both the house and senate hopefully people will finally see this and we can all move on.

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He is pointing out how he won't vote for Trump. And sure he provides his justification but it isn't his main point.

If i said i will either cut off your leg or punch you in the stomach and you said well I'm not going to vote because getting punched in the stomach is bad so I'm indifferent than that is stupid. It is objectively beyond all measure that Trump is better than Biden for the poster and especially for most Americans. There is not arguing against that.

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This is your opinion and apparently not one shared by more than half of the country, and you have no idea if he's better than Biden for that poster or if who is president has any material impact on his daily life at all. Much like FireAg, Trumpers definitely seem to be confused by this whole fact vs opinion thing.

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You can't be serious. You think Biden's term has been better for you, and Americans than Trump's? If you believe that then just wow. That is telling.

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Is that what I said? Or, did I say you have no idea if that poster's life was better, worse or basically unchanged by whichever of those two morons are in office?

Also, to the point of this thread - if you think Biden is a giant disaster then nominating the person who already lost to him once (when there's a great option staring you in the face) is a pretty terrible idea.

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I can tell you for a fact if Biden nominated the 3 supreme court justices instead of Trump then the poster's life would be way worse. Trump didn't have the Afghanistan disaster. Trump didn't push for federal vaccine mandates. Trump didn't blank fund Ukraine war. Trump didn't do nothing about the Southern border. All of this while every Trump pro conservative policy was instantly challenged by some super liberal district court that delayed and thwarted progress.

As to your second point, I don't take a few history data points and project to know the future perfectly.

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Here, let me help since you still seem to be struggling with this whole fact vs opinion thing.

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It is my opinion that if Biden nominated the 3 Supreme Court Justices instead of Trump's then the he poster's life would be way worse.

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See? Not that hard.

To your second point, you can ignore history all you want but it's still the most effective predictor of future performance - in my opinion, of course .

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Good gosh this is ridiculous. I guess it is just my opinion that rape is bad. And it is just my opinion that transitioning kids is bad. Sorry for assuming i was talking to a reasonably intelligent person. Please just add "in my opinion" to all my messages in your head since I don't care to have to caveat to a point for posters who lack basic logical reasoning skills.

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I am with FireAg on this, and i will be voting for DeSantis in the primaries, and I expect to vote for Trump in the General.

Looking at Vegas betting odds online, DeSantis is at +700, which is around 12.5% chance and maybe a little less. Trump is around -400, which is around an 80% chance and maybe a little less of winning the Republican nomination.

So DeSantis has a chance yes, and if I had a 12% chance of winning the republican nomination, I would stay in too. But it is unlikely, and 4 out of 5 times Trump will win the nomination.

What I wouldn't do is spew vitriol over and disparage the likely republican nominee. Many on this board detest Trump, but the alternative which is an incapacitated Biden.

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If the Republican party embraces Trump, then it has embraced the Democrat party platform of the mid to late 90's. I didn't vote for it then, and I sure as hell am not voting for it now, because it is still the same problem it was then. I need more than "not Joe Biden" to justify voting for someone, because that isn't what the ballot is.

Look on your ballot when it's time to vote. It's doesn't have a "Not Joe Biden" slot. You are voting FOR someone. You can justify it in your mind if you need to, but I can't. Trump is part of the problem and him not running as a Dem doesn't make that go away.

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Ah the elitism that allows you to not vote for the least bad option because you have a nice house in a nice neighborhood that is largely insulated from all the problems. Congrats to you. You are hugely selfish and have a huge ego (ironic because this is your big gripe with Trump). The fact you have said this same thing now 5+ times on Texags goes to show you want EVERYONE to know how righteous you are.

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Pointing out trumpism is a cancer to the party and the cause of the GOP's underperformance in the last three elections is not elitism, it's common sense. Once he loses to Biden again and likely also causes the dems to take both the house and senate hopefully people will finally see this and we can all move on.

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He is pointing out how he won't vote for Trump. And sure he provides his justification but it isn't his main point.

If i said i will either cut off your leg or punch you in the stomach and you said well I'm not going to vote because getting punched in the stomach is bad so I'm indifferent than that is stupid. It is objectively beyond all measure that Trump is better than Biden for the poster and especially for most Americans. There is not arguing against that.

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That is where you are wrong. Trump is right in several areas and did some great stuff. But his deficiencies in some areas are SO bad, that he was a net negative. That is why you want us all to cast the blame for 2020 to everyone else instead of the man who was actually in charge that whole time, to ignore the actual net effect. So, yes, I do see it as a tossup. Trump is as bad for the country as Biden, but for totally different reasons. If I want to look at how his issues cause problems and not just look at the rosy propaganda, that is realism, not elitism.

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Yawn. Trump was better on the border. Trump was better on foreign conflicts. Trump was better on the economy. Trump was better on covid (didn't do federal vaccine mandates and push that). Trump was better for the constitution; 3 supreme court justices that are actually conservatives and many conservative federal district court justices.

What are these major negatives that way overshadow all of those great policy areas that make your life, and most Americans lives worse off with Trump? mean tweets? Pathetic.

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I'm not going to rehash the same old stuff that you dismiss as "not counting" for some reason or other. I look at what actually happened instead of saying only the good stuff can count. You've stated it before that people attach whatever good they think to Trump because he's a blank slate, and frankly, it's only half right. He's no blank slate, he just has people willing to ignore both the evidence of what he's done and what he says he wants to do.

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Well then step up to the table and offer up all the major negative policies that clearly make his presidency on par with Biden's term. I don't think you can do it.

Look I'm not, and neither is FireAg, telling you to vote for Trump over DeSantis. I'm telling you prepare yourself for Trump winning the primary because that is logical. And one thing to prepare yourself for that is to give up this all or nothing loyalty you have for DeSantis which causes you to make these indefensible positions that you are net neutral to Trump vs Biden term.

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I am with FireAg on this, and i will be voting for DeSantis in the primaries, and I expect to vote for Trump in the General.

Looking at Vegas betting odds online, DeSantis is at +700, which is around 12.5% chance and maybe a little less. Trump is around -400, which is around an 80% chance and maybe a little less of winning the Republican nomination.

So DeSantis has a chance yes, and if I had a 12% chance of winning the republican nomination, I would stay in too. But it is unlikely, and 4 out of 5 times Trump will win the nomination.

What I wouldn't do is spew vitriol over and disparage the likely republican nominee. Many on this board detest Trump, but the alternative which is an incapacitated Biden.

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If the Republican party embraces Trump, then it has embraced the Democrat party platform of the mid to late 90's. I didn't vote for it then, and I sure as hell am not voting for it now, because it is still the same problem it was then. I need more than "not Joe Biden" to justify voting for someone, because that isn't what the ballot is.

Look on your ballot when it's time to vote. It's doesn't have a "Not Joe Biden" slot. You are voting FOR someone. You can justify it in your mind if you need to, but I can't. Trump is part of the problem and him not running as a Dem doesn't make that go away.

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Ah the elitism that allows you to not vote for the least bad option because you have a nice house in a nice neighborhood that is largely insulated from all the problems. Congrats to you. You are hugely selfish and have a huge ego (ironic because this is your big gripe with Trump). The fact you have said this same thing now 5+ times on Texags goes to show you want EVERYONE to know how righteous you are.

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Pointing out trumpism is a cancer to the party and the cause of the GOP's underperformance in the last three elections is not elitism, it's common sense. Once he loses to Biden again and likely also causes the dems to take both the house and senate hopefully people will finally see this and we can all move on.

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He is pointing out how he won't vote for Trump. And sure he provides his justification but it isn't his main point.

If i said i will either cut off your leg or punch you in the stomach and you said well I'm not going to vote because getting punched in the stomach is bad so I'm indifferent than that is stupid. It is objectively beyond all measure that Trump is better than Biden for the poster and especially for most Americans. There is not arguing against that.

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This is your opinion and apparently not one shared by more than half of the country, and you have no idea if he's better than Biden for that poster or if who is president has any material impact on his daily life at all. Much like FireAg, Trumpers definitely seem to be confused by this whole fact vs opinion thing.

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You can't be serious. You think Biden's term has been better for you, and Americans than Trump's? If you believe that then just wow. That is telling.

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Is that what I said? Or, did I say you have no idea if that poster's life was better, worse or basically unchanged by whichever of those two morons are in office?

Also, to the point of this thread - if you think Biden is a giant disaster then nominating the person who already lost to him once (when there's a great option staring you in the face) is a pretty terrible idea.

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I can tell you for a fact if Biden nominated the 3 supreme court justices instead of Trump then the poster's life would be way worse. Trump didn't have the Afghanistan disaster. Trump didn't push for federal vaccine mandates. Trump didn't blank fund Ukraine war. Trump didn't do nothing about the Southern border. All of this while every Trump pro conservative policy was instantly challenged by some super liberal district court that delayed and thwarted progress.

As to your second point, I don't take a few history data points and project to know the future perfectly.

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Here, let me help since you still seem to be struggling with this whole fact vs opinion thing.

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It is my opinion that if Biden nominated the 3 Supreme Court Justices instead of Trump's then the he poster's life would be way worse.

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See? Not that hard.

To your second point, you can ignore history all you want but it's still the most effective predictor of future performance - in my opinion, of course .

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Good gosh this is ridiculous. I guess it is just my opinion that rape is bad. And it is just my opinion that transitioning kids is bad. Sorry for assuming i was talking to a reasonably intelligent person. Please just add "in my opinion" to all my messages in your head since I don't care to have to caveat to a point for posters who lack basic logical reasoning skills.

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No, those are both objectively bad and result in direct harm to individuals. You have no idea if anything Biden has done has directly impacted someone, you're just projecting your own pro Trump bias and an extremely heavy diet of mostly online outrage.

More than half the country apparently preferred Biden to Trump, so they would also disagree with your opinion. We don't know if that would happen again with DeSantis as the nominee, but we have good evidence from Florida that his brand of conservatism is appealing to exactly the type of people the GOP needs to win back.

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Funny, I see no targeted Trump ads on my IG or Twitter feed, but am getting ads for DeSantis, Christie, and Burgum.

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That is because you likely follow a ton of pro-DeSantis and anti Trump accounts. So you are being algorithmithed into receiving only ads for those candidates. How do you not know how targeted advertisement works in 2023?

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But I also get texts from Mayra Flores and the like and she mentions Trump in every link she sends. I see no ads in my browser for Trump.
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Do you need it explained the difference between phone list and google cache advertising? I'm being serious you are quite ignorant on how ads work based on your last few posts.

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I know the difference between a phone list and google cache advertising. But I click on the link her campaign sends, so you would think that Google ads would recognize from the cookies that I'm visiting a winred page that is supporting Trump frequently.

Moreover, I do visit pro-Trump accounts on Twitter to see what they are saying.

Not logical to nominate a loser.

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Well then step up to the table and offer up all the major negative policies that clearly make his presidency on par with Biden's term. I don't think you can do it.

Look I'm not, and neither is FireAg, telling you to vote for Trump over DeSantis. I'm telling you prepare yourself for Trump winning the primary because that is logical. And one thing to prepare yourself for that is to give up this all or nothing loyalty you have for DeSantis which causes you to make these indefensible positions that you are net neutral to Trump vs Biden term.

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His stated policies are absolutely better than Bidens. That has never been my beef with him. My problem is actual performance and how his demand for loyalty over performance and principles turned what should have been a good presidency into an unmitigated disaster in a short amount of time. I have no interest in the Republican party self destructing over someone who not only is willing to codify abortion up to 4-5 months into federal law and is willing to spend us into oblivion, but who has shown he is uniquely unfit for the position he is trying to fill. It's not about only being willing to vote for DS, I would be willing to hold my nose and vote for a number of the primary candidates, it's Trump being the candidate that is so bad, he's convinced me to not vote for him again.

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Well then step up to the table and offer up all the major negative policies that clearly make his presidency on par with Biden's term. I don't think you can do it.

Look I'm not, and neither is FireAg, telling you to vote for Trump over DeSantis. I'm telling you prepare yourself for Trump winning the primary because that is logical. And one thing to prepare yourself for that is to give up this all or nothing loyalty you have for DeSantis which causes you to make these indefensible positions that you are net neutral to Trump vs Biden term.

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His stated policies are absolutely better than Bidens. That has never been my beef with him. My problem is actual performance and how his demand for loyalty over performance and principles turned what should have been a good presidency into an unmitigated disaster in a short amount of time. I have no interest in the Republican party self destructing over someone who not only is willing to codify abortion up to 4-5 months into federal law and is willing to spend us into oblivion, but who has shown he is uniquely unfit for the position he is trying to fill. It's not about only being willing to vote for DS, it's Trump being the candidate that is so bad, he's convinced me to not vote for him again.

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The bold part is not real. BUT let's assume it is real. Your choice is to vote for the guy that would codify abortion up to 4-5 months versus the guy who would vote to codify abortion up to and right after birth. How is that logical to you? You aren't electing a king you are electing a 4 year leader. Guess what in 2028 you can vote for candidates that can then take firmer stands against abortion. The issue is therefore just tabled four years.

You don't have to right the ship on EVERY issue on day one. You do have to start steering the ship back on course though. That is what Trump offers. But because he isn't gold platinum certified conservative you say nah i'd rather hit the iceburg. Bring it on.

Oof. This thread is on life support.

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Well then step up to the table and offer up all the major negative policies that clearly make his presidency on par with Biden's term. I don't think you can do it.

Look I'm not, and neither is FireAg, telling you to vote for Trump over DeSantis. I'm telling you prepare yourself for Trump winning the primary because that is logical. And one thing to prepare yourself for that is to give up this all or nothing loyalty you have for DeSantis which causes you to make these indefensible positions that you are net neutral to Trump vs Biden term.

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His stated policies are absolutely better than Bidens. That has never been my beef with him. My problem is actual performance and how his demand for loyalty over performance and principles turned what should have been a good presidency into an unmitigated disaster in a short amount of time. I have no interest in the Republican party self destructing over someone who not only is willing to codify abortion up to 4-5 months into federal law and is willing to spend us into oblivion, but who has shown he is uniquely unfit for the position he is trying to fill. It's not about only being willing to vote for DS, it's Trump being the candidate that is so bad, he's convinced me to not vote for him again.

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The bold part is not real. BUT let's assume it is real. Your choice is to vote for the guy that would codify abortion up to 4-5 months versus the guy who would vote to codify abortion up to and right after birth. How is that logical to you? You aren't electing a king you are electing a 4 year leader. Guess what in 2028 you can vote for candidates that can then take firmer stands against abortion. The issue is therefore just tabled four years.

You don't have to right the ship on EVERY issue on day one. You do have to start steering the ship back on course though. That is what Trump offers. But because he isn't gold platinum certified conservative you say nah i'd rather hit the iceburg. Bring it on.

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I AM voting... for neither. That is what my vote will be. I will be choosing R candidates down the ballot to try to keep both the abortion stances from happening while not giving my vote for the ones who either by being evil, incompetent, or some combination of the two, are willing to spend or regulate our way into obscurity. My vote will be that if this is the best we can do, then no thanks, you aren't shoving that down our throats and say "Oh well, I guess I have to do what they tell me to do."

It is funny how perspective of the present would clearly change the status of "win" vs "loss".

Here is one clear example. Let's say abortion was federally approved up to birth. The goal of the democrat party. What Biden would get done if he could. Then electing Trump to get a 4-5 month ban would seem like a great win. Yet you have this dream that America will currently tolerate a federal complete abortion ban which is not reality. So you count it as some major strike against Trump when reality is he is working with the cards that are available. He is embracing the reality of the current culture situation of our voting electorate.

You want to throw a temper tantrum and say well I'm not voting for anything but the perfect best. I say again congrats to you. You will get a bunch of street cred when you bloviate about your high moral standards among your christian conservative friends. Meanwhile you are voting against what is logically in your best interest. But hey logic is a tough thing to deal with.

I don't even know where to start in your cornfields worth of strawmen.

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No, just being flooded by MAGA who don't actually want to have a discussion and hope the thread will die if they flood it with 50-100 posts a day and obfuscate any actual discussion about the candidates.

Everyone needs to stop responding to them.

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No, just being flooded by MAGA who don't actually want to have a discussion and hope the thread will die if they flood it with 50-100 posts a day and obfuscate any actual discussion about the candidates.

Everyone needs to stop responding to them.

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Yes the Trump vs DeSantis should just be a safe space thread for team DeSantis. Just full of rainbows, butterflies and DeSantis Warroom tweets. Nothing says conservative quite like censoring other perspectives.

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It is funny how perspective of the present would clearly change the status of "win" vs "loss".

Here is one clear example. Let's say abortion was federally approved up to birth. The goal of the democrat party. What Biden would get done if he could. Then electing Trump to get a 4-5 month ban would seem like a great win. Yet you have this dream that America will currently tolerate a federal complete abortion ban which is not reality. So you count it as some major strike against Trump when reality is he is working with the cards that are available. He is embracing the reality of the current culture situation of our voting electorate.

You want to throw a temper tantrum and say well I'm not voting for anything but the perfect best. I say again congrats to you. You will get a bunch of street cred when you bloviate about your high moral standards among your christian conservative friends. Meanwhile you are voting against what is logically in your best interest. But hey logic is a tough thing to deal with.

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You know perfectly well why that argument is bogus because you participated in the thread when Trump brought it up. You're the perpetual goaltender for the guy, and if you want to paint a picture of those who won't goaltend along with you that makes you feel better, do what you gotta do, I guess.

My life doesn't revolve around who is president, and I don't need validation based on if I voted "against" the worst one between a couple of clowns.

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Well in the RCP average, he leads Biden…

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Trumpers: the media is fake news!

Also Trumpers: the polls were all wrong in 2016!!!

Also Trumpers: Trump has to always fight the media!!!

Also Trumpers: Trump is leading Biden by 1.3 points in a national poll- he will win for sure!!

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Who anywhere here has claimed "he will win for sure!" versus Biden?

I know I haven't claimed that…

Again, you are so hyper focused on DeSantis love and Trump hate that you literally translate what others say into something you believe they are saying when they aren't…

I have never claimed he will win because he leads Biden in current national polling averages, which I have readily admitted, are within the MOE…

Get a grip…

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I actually agree with Trump on this one…the last debate was a complete Charlie Foxtrot with regard to moderation, and candidates had a net negative movement after them in the polling averages…Trump's numbers have gone up since debate 2, so that debate was a loser for everyone else…

Trump is leading on the RCP average nationally, in Michigan and Pennsylvania.

That just never happened in 2015/2016 or 2019/2020. pic.twitter.com/JHeyDVZWRc

— Rich Baris "The People's Pundit" (@Peoples_Pundit) October 11, 2023

🇺🇲 NEW NATIONAL POLL

PRES:
(R) Trump 45% (+4)
(D) Biden 41%
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GOP PRES:
Trump 58% (+44)
DeSantis 14%
Ramaswamy 7%
Haley 6%
Pence 3%
Christie 2%
Scott 2%
Burgum 1%
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• @TheMessenger | @Harris_X_(B)
• n=2,982 RV (1,054 GOP RV) | 10/4-7https://t.co/K13XCBJtdC pic.twitter.com/1noz8Dvj9k

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) October 10, 2023

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Moreover, I do visit pro-Trump accounts on Twitter to see what they are saying.

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See what's funny? I don't…I literally do not care what either side is advertising because it always has their spin…

I look at what they have done and their policies…

Why do you obsess over someone you despise so much?

Michigan 2024: Trump holds 50-point lead for Republican Nomination

• Trump — 63% (+50)
• DeSantis — 13%
• Haley — 6%
• Christie — 3%
• Ramaswamy — 3%
• Burgum — 2%
• Pence — 2%
• Hutchinson — 0%
• Scott — 0%@ppppolls (A-) | 430 LV | 10/9-10https://t.co/s3M8XJllv6 pic.twitter.com/ewxN6xna5a

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) October 11, 2023

📊 2024 West Virginia GOP Primary

PRES:
Trump 63% (+53)
DeSantis 10%
Haley 8%
Ramaswamy 3%
Christie 3%
Pence 3%
Scott 2%
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SEN:
Justice 62% (+39)
Mooney 23%
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• @Fabrizio_Lee | Justice internal
• 600 LV | 9/11-13 | MoE: ±4.5%https://t.co/RbzZZsuvuR pic.twitter.com/68VstNw46n

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) October 11, 2023