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texagbeliever said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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FireAg said:

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Hey..you absolutely make a fair point, and I very much agree with you…

But to my point…how do you combat that?

Again, contrary to what some might think, you don't reverse it by regurgitating NBD tweets and anti-Trump articles on friggin' TexAgs…

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Do you honestly think the DeSantis supporters on here are posting in an attempt to influence the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation?

Or are you conflating our posts with the actual DeSantis campaign strategy?

The post above makes no sense and is just lashing out at a difference of opinion.

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What is the point of DeSantis supporters on here then to pump up so much anti-Trump noise if not to "influence" people? The possible answers if not to influence the primary election outcome are not flattering.

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Lol, first, sure just gloss over the part of my statement where I said "influnece the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation".

No. No one here is trying to influence the race to that extent.

Second, I love, LOVE a Trump supporter claiming that the motives behind pro-Desantis posts on here are "not flattering". Wow, the irony, just wow, lol.

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Well hopefully you love the fact that I'd be overjoyed with DeSantis being president but I looked at the tea leaves and saw that there wasn't really a feasible path that didn't involve the democrats taking out Trump. Sorry that realism is so hard for you to swallow.

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Are they though? Right now, DeSantis polls worse bs Biden than Trump…

The "DeSantis owns Biden head-to-head in polling" narrative didn't age well (pun intended)…

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Let me explain it in very basic language.


Polling is ****ing ruhtarded.

It's pseudoscientific moronitude.

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And aside from 2016, it has shown to still predict the "winner"…

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Actually the polls in '20 and '22 were terrible and that was polls right before the election not a year out.

Your example of trying to prove that Trump/DeSantis polls are legit because even less relevant DeSantis/Biden polls are bad is also flawed. It's especially flawed because the undecided vote between DeSantis/Biden is huge, at least 15%. DeSantis is likely to get 2/3rds or 3/4s of that as a young non incumbent. Still a poll for an election more than a year away is pretty meaningless.

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You can continue to attempt to rationalize the polls in hopes of making yourself feel better about DeSantis's current status in the polls, but it doesn't change the reality at this time...

He is getting trounced right now, and the trend arrow is pointing down, 3 months from Iowa...

The ONLY way he is the R nominee next November is is something happens to Trump...by hook or by crook...

It's that simple, unfortunately...

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Actually nothing is "that simple" when it comes to polling. I don't deny Trump's lead or that he is the likely winner. Not sure what you are looking for other than to quit which isn't happening. There ARE a lot of things about these polls that don't add up at all. Trump is getting lighter attendance at rallies. He's making a ton of mistakes. Outside of selling merch with his jailbird photo on it he's not raising much money. None of that is normal for a guy with a 40 plus point lead. It's also not normal for DeSantis to continue to have so much on the ground momentum.

I get the polls I just don't think they are absolute as you make them. I also think we have no idea what the Newsom/DeSantis debate will do but it will be in late November after Thanksgiving. Hell Biden could have dropped out or be dead by then too.

We just don't know a LOT and it is not "simple".

texagbeliever said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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FireAg said:

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Hey..you absolutely make a fair point, and I very much agree with you…

But to my point…how do you combat that?

Again, contrary to what some might think, you don't reverse it by regurgitating NBD tweets and anti-Trump articles on friggin' TexAgs…

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Do you honestly think the DeSantis supporters on here are posting in an attempt to influence the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation?

Or are you conflating our posts with the actual DeSantis campaign strategy?

The post above makes no sense and is just lashing out at a difference of opinion.

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What is the point of DeSantis supporters on here then to pump up so much anti-Trump noise if not to "influence" people? The possible answers if not to influence the primary election outcome are not flattering.

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Lol, first, sure just gloss over the part of my statement where I said "influnece the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation".

No. No one here is trying to influence the race to that extent.

Second, I love, LOVE a Trump supporter claiming that the motives behind pro-Desantis posts on here are "not flattering". Wow, the irony, just wow, lol.

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Well hopefully you love the fact that I'd be overjoyed with DeSantis being president but I looked at the tea leaves and saw that there wasn't really a feasible path that didn't involve the democrats taking out Trump. Sorry that realism is so hard for you to swallow.

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If Trump loses it will be because of Trump. If DeSantis loses it is because of DeSantis. The man in charge takes the blame.

aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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FireAg said:

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Hey..you absolutely make a fair point, and I very much agree with you…

But to my point…how do you combat that?

Again, contrary to what some might think, you don't reverse it by regurgitating NBD tweets and anti-Trump articles on friggin' TexAgs…

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Do you honestly think the DeSantis supporters on here are posting in an attempt to influence the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation?

Or are you conflating our posts with the actual DeSantis campaign strategy?

The post above makes no sense and is just lashing out at a difference of opinion.

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What is the point of DeSantis supporters on here then to pump up so much anti-Trump noise if not to "influence" people? The possible answers if not to influence the primary election outcome are not flattering.

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Lol, first, sure just gloss over the part of my statement where I said "influnece the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation".

No. No one here is trying to influence the race to that extent.

Second, I love, LOVE a Trump supporter claiming that the motives behind pro-Desantis posts on here are "not flattering". Wow, the irony, just wow, lol.

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Well hopefully you love the fact that I'd be overjoyed with DeSantis being president but I looked at the tea leaves and saw that there wasn't really a feasible path that didn't involve the democrats taking out Trump. Sorry that realism is so hard for you to swallow.

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If Trump loses it will be because of Trump. If DeSantis loses it is because of DeSantis. The man in charge takes the blame.

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That is an incredibly simple take. Covid, News, censorship, voter fraud, Wars, and the economy are all relatively outside of each of those candidates control. There are far too many factors for it to be so simple.

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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FireAg said:

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Hey..you absolutely make a fair point, and I very much agree with you…

But to my point…how do you combat that?

Again, contrary to what some might think, you don't reverse it by regurgitating NBD tweets and anti-Trump articles on friggin' TexAgs…

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Do you honestly think the DeSantis supporters on here are posting in an attempt to influence the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation?

Or are you conflating our posts with the actual DeSantis campaign strategy?

The post above makes no sense and is just lashing out at a difference of opinion.

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Lashing out at a difference of opinion is what posters have been doing to me and a handful of others since before DeSantis even joined the race, and I was pointing out that he had a very uphill battle to reverse Trump inertia based on the polling at that time...

And folks clamored to remind me that I was looking at polling that was trash because he hadn't even entered the race yet...

And then he entered with a resounding thud, and as never recovered...

Lashing out is what has happened to folks like me for pointing out the facts of the situation, however unpopular, only to be rebutted with "you're just a Trumpet, and part of the cult!"

I have kept it real and fact-based this entire time...again, you may not like how this is unfolding, but you can't change it by sitting here posting pro-DeSantis and anti-Trump stuff all day long...

The inertia is infinitely greater than many of you have wanted to admit...

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The reason for that is all you do is talk about polling and how it is hopeless for DeSantis. You don't talk about what Trump says or DeSantis says. You don't talk about fundraising or ads or interviews. You just talk polling and typically it is reposting the averages that are regurgitating the same polls. Then sometimes you try to prove how one poll is right because of another poll or average of polls. Every so often you have a "woe is me" post like this that you play the victim that people don't like how you talk about polls and that they won't simply ignore everything else and focus on those polls as the only thing that matters. About the only other analysis you have is "DeSantis needs to do something" or "Arguing on a message board isn't changing the polls".

So yes, people get annoyed with it at some point. It is also odd that you claim to be a DeSantis supporter but you constantly put up negatives on DeSantis and claim it is basically hopeless for him. I don't know that I have ever seen you post a truly positive thing about him or why he can win or why you support him. I don't think I've ever seen you criticize Trump for pretty much anything. That said I haven't looked through every single one of your posts just mainly the ones on this thread.

Trump is likely going to win but we are still at least 5 months from knowing if that will be the case and maybe longer. We will see. As for me I see Trump as the nominee as a virtual guaranteed loss in the General so I would rather that not happen.

texagbeliever said:

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aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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FireAg said:

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Hey..you absolutely make a fair point, and I very much agree with you…

But to my point…how do you combat that?

Again, contrary to what some might think, you don't reverse it by regurgitating NBD tweets and anti-Trump articles on friggin' TexAgs…

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Do you honestly think the DeSantis supporters on here are posting in an attempt to influence the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation?

Or are you conflating our posts with the actual DeSantis campaign strategy?

The post above makes no sense and is just lashing out at a difference of opinion.

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What is the point of DeSantis supporters on here then to pump up so much anti-Trump noise if not to "influence" people? The possible answers if not to influence the primary election outcome are not flattering.

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Lol, first, sure just gloss over the part of my statement where I said "influnece the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation".

No. No one here is trying to influence the race to that extent.

Second, I love, LOVE a Trump supporter claiming that the motives behind pro-Desantis posts on here are "not flattering". Wow, the irony, just wow, lol.

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Well hopefully you love the fact that I'd be overjoyed with DeSantis being president but I looked at the tea leaves and saw that there wasn't really a feasible path that didn't involve the democrats taking out Trump. Sorry that realism is so hard for you to swallow.

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If Trump loses it will be because of Trump. If DeSantis loses it is because of DeSantis. The man in charge takes the blame.

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That is an incredibly simple take. Covid, News, censorship, voter fraud, Wars, and the economy are all relatively outside of each of those candidates control. There are far too many factors for it to be so simple.

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Translation: When anything appears to be Trump's fault...

texagbeliever said:

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aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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FireAg said:

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Hey..you absolutely make a fair point, and I very much agree with you…

But to my point…how do you combat that?

Again, contrary to what some might think, you don't reverse it by regurgitating NBD tweets and anti-Trump articles on friggin' TexAgs…

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Do you honestly think the DeSantis supporters on here are posting in an attempt to influence the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation?

Or are you conflating our posts with the actual DeSantis campaign strategy?

The post above makes no sense and is just lashing out at a difference of opinion.

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What is the point of DeSantis supporters on here then to pump up so much anti-Trump noise if not to "influence" people? The possible answers if not to influence the primary election outcome are not flattering.

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Lol, first, sure just gloss over the part of my statement where I said "influnece the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation".

No. No one here is trying to influence the race to that extent.

Second, I love, LOVE a Trump supporter claiming that the motives behind pro-Desantis posts on here are "not flattering". Wow, the irony, just wow, lol.

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Well hopefully you love the fact that I'd be overjoyed with DeSantis being president but I looked at the tea leaves and saw that there wasn't really a feasible path that didn't involve the democrats taking out Trump. Sorry that realism is so hard for you to swallow.

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If Trump loses it will be because of Trump. If DeSantis loses it is because of DeSantis. The man in charge takes the blame.

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That is an incredibly simple take. Covid, News, censorship, voter fraud, Wars, and the economy are all relatively outside of each of those candidates control. There are far too many factors for it to be so simple.

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It's really not. Trump made a lot of decisions that cost him the last election. In the end he called the plays and got beat. Same will be true in the next election for good or bad. Every day he and DeSantis and Biden and other candidates make choices about what they will do and say and those choices are the largest factor in winning or losing. Doesn't mean it isn't harder for Trump or certainly that it is fair but Trump has the most impact on what happens to Trump.

I hate victimhood mentality.

aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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FireAg said:

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Hey..you absolutely make a fair point, and I very much agree with you…

But to my point…how do you combat that?

Again, contrary to what some might think, you don't reverse it by regurgitating NBD tweets and anti-Trump articles on friggin' TexAgs…

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Do you honestly think the DeSantis supporters on here are posting in an attempt to influence the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation?

Or are you conflating our posts with the actual DeSantis campaign strategy?

The post above makes no sense and is just lashing out at a difference of opinion.

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What is the point of DeSantis supporters on here then to pump up so much anti-Trump noise if not to "influence" people? The possible answers if not to influence the primary election outcome are not flattering.

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Lol, first, sure just gloss over the part of my statement where I said "influnece the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation".

No. No one here is trying to influence the race to that extent.

Second, I love, LOVE a Trump supporter claiming that the motives behind pro-Desantis posts on here are "not flattering". Wow, the irony, just wow, lol.

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Well hopefully you love the fact that I'd be overjoyed with DeSantis being president but I looked at the tea leaves and saw that there wasn't really a feasible path that didn't involve the democrats taking out Trump. Sorry that realism is so hard for you to swallow.

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If Trump loses it will be because of Trump. If DeSantis loses it is because of DeSantis. The man in charge takes the blame.

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That is an incredibly simple take. Covid, News, censorship, voter fraud, Wars, and the economy are all relatively outside of each of those candidates control. There are far too many factors for it to be so simple.

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It's really not. Trump made a lot of decisions that cost him the last election. In the end he called the plays and got beat. Same will be true in the next election for good or bad. Every day he and DeSantis and Biden and other candidates make choices about what they will do and say and those choices are the largest factor in winning or losing. Doesn't mean it isn't harder for Trump or certainly that it is fair but Trump has the most impact on what happens to Trump.

I hate victimhood mentality.

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Trump is responsible to a degree, duh. But this idea that the outcome is make or break solely on him is just laughable.

It is akin to saying that a kid going to a ghetto school has just as much academic opportunity as a kid going to a rich suburbia public school. The factors around those kids are going to significantly alter the expected and possible outcomes for each kid. Will they be the sole deciding factor, no. But can they be the deciding factor, absolutely.

Once you realize that Trump isn't fully at fault for losing 2020 then you might come around to the idea that he can actually win in 2024. Which is largely your greatest criticism of him. Victimhood mentality is bad the opposite of full anti-victimhood mentality isn't much better.

Who even gets polled for all these presidential polls anyway? Really old retired people who still have landlines and unlimited free time? Because if that's the demographic, of course Trump will have an "insurmountable lead."

texagbeliever said:

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aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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FireAg said:

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Hey..you absolutely make a fair point, and I very much agree with you…

But to my point…how do you combat that?

Again, contrary to what some might think, you don't reverse it by regurgitating NBD tweets and anti-Trump articles on friggin' TexAgs…

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Do you honestly think the DeSantis supporters on here are posting in an attempt to influence the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation?

Or are you conflating our posts with the actual DeSantis campaign strategy?

The post above makes no sense and is just lashing out at a difference of opinion.

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What is the point of DeSantis supporters on here then to pump up so much anti-Trump noise if not to "influence" people? The possible answers if not to influence the primary election outcome are not flattering.

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Lol, first, sure just gloss over the part of my statement where I said "influnece the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation".

No. No one here is trying to influence the race to that extent.

Second, I love, LOVE a Trump supporter claiming that the motives behind pro-Desantis posts on here are "not flattering". Wow, the irony, just wow, lol.

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Well hopefully you love the fact that I'd be overjoyed with DeSantis being president but I looked at the tea leaves and saw that there wasn't really a feasible path that didn't involve the democrats taking out Trump. Sorry that realism is so hard for you to swallow.

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If Trump loses it will be because of Trump. If DeSantis loses it is because of DeSantis. The man in charge takes the blame.

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That is an incredibly simple take. Covid, News, censorship, voter fraud, Wars, and the economy are all relatively outside of each of those candidates control. There are far too many factors for it to be so simple.

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It's really not. Trump made a lot of decisions that cost him the last election. In the end he called the plays and got beat. Same will be true in the next election for good or bad. Every day he and DeSantis and Biden and other candidates make choices about what they will do and say and those choices are the largest factor in winning or losing. Doesn't mean it isn't harder for Trump or certainly that it is fair but Trump has the most impact on what happens to Trump.

I hate victimhood mentality.

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Trump is responsible to a degree, duh. But this idea that the outcome is make or break solely on him is just laughable.

It is akin to saying that a kid going to a ghetto school has just as much academic opportunity as a kid going to a rich suburbia public school. The factors around those kids are going to significantly alter the expected and possible outcomes for each kid. Will they be the sole deciding factor, no. But can they be the deciding factor, absolutely.

Once you realize that Trump isn't fully at fault for losing 2020 then you might come around to the idea that he can actually win in 2024. Which is largely your greatest criticism of him. Victimhood mentality is bad the opposite of full anti-victimhood mentality isn't much better.

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I never said "solely". I said that he was the person most responsible and that his actions made the most difference. I don't think that's really debatable. He had some advantages and disadvantage just like this time. Why is it such a foreign concept that Trump is ever responsible for his actions? Why is it always someone else's fault? It's just so bizarre to me. Everyone makes mistakes and you learn from mistakes, or you simply never learn and keep making them over and over again.

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Who even gets polled for all these presidential polls anyway? Really old retired people who still have landlines and unlimited free time? Because if that's the demographic, of course Trump will have an "insurmountable lead."

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Actually a lot of it is texts and emails too, basically spam. I don't know how they can make any of that work in the current world and be accurate.

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aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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FireAg said:

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Hey..you absolutely make a fair point, and I very much agree with you…

But to my point…how do you combat that?

Again, contrary to what some might think, you don't reverse it by regurgitating NBD tweets and anti-Trump articles on friggin' TexAgs…

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Do you honestly think the DeSantis supporters on here are posting in an attempt to influence the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation?

Or are you conflating our posts with the actual DeSantis campaign strategy?

The post above makes no sense and is just lashing out at a difference of opinion.

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What is the point of DeSantis supporters on here then to pump up so much anti-Trump noise if not to "influence" people? The possible answers if not to influence the primary election outcome are not flattering.

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Lol, first, sure just gloss over the part of my statement where I said "influnece the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation".

No. No one here is trying to influence the race to that extent.

Second, I love, LOVE a Trump supporter claiming that the motives behind pro-Desantis posts on here are "not flattering". Wow, the irony, just wow, lol.

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Well hopefully you love the fact that I'd be overjoyed with DeSantis being president but I looked at the tea leaves and saw that there wasn't really a feasible path that didn't involve the democrats taking out Trump. Sorry that realism is so hard for you to swallow.

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If Trump loses it will be because of Trump. If DeSantis loses it is because of DeSantis. The man in charge takes the blame.

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That is an incredibly simple take. Covid, News, censorship, voter fraud, Wars, and the economy are all relatively outside of each of those candidates control. There are far too many factors for it to be so simple.

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It's really not. Trump made a lot of decisions that cost him the last election. In the end he called the plays and got beat. Same will be true in the next election for good or bad. Every day he and DeSantis and Biden and other candidates make choices about what they will do and say and those choices are the largest factor in winning or losing. Doesn't mean it isn't harder for Trump or certainly that it is fair but Trump has the most impact on what happens to Trump.

I hate victimhood mentality.

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Trump is responsible to a degree, duh. But this idea that the outcome is make or break solely on him is just laughable.

It is akin to saying that a kid going to a ghetto school has just as much academic opportunity as a kid going to a rich suburbia public school. The factors around those kids are going to significantly alter the expected and possible outcomes for each kid. Will they be the sole deciding factor, no. But can they be the deciding factor, absolutely.

Once you realize that Trump isn't fully at fault for losing 2020 then you might come around to the idea that he can actually win in 2024. Which is largely your greatest criticism of him. Victimhood mentality is bad the opposite of full anti-victimhood mentality isn't much better.

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Agreed a lot of external factors hurt his chances, mainly mail in voting making that much easier for people who may not have normally voted. But I think the point is that most of what was in Trump's control (him generally acting like an unprofessional clown being the main thing) he failed miserably at. If he had any message discipline, didn't launch unhinged rants that sound like your drunk grandpa, and didn't constantly act in a way that caused people to vote against him and not for Biden he would probably still be in office.

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texagbeliever said:

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aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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FireAg said:

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Hey..you absolutely make a fair point, and I very much agree with you…

But to my point…how do you combat that?

Again, contrary to what some might think, you don't reverse it by regurgitating NBD tweets and anti-Trump articles on friggin' TexAgs…

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Do you honestly think the DeSantis supporters on here are posting in an attempt to influence the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation?

Or are you conflating our posts with the actual DeSantis campaign strategy?

The post above makes no sense and is just lashing out at a difference of opinion.

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What is the point of DeSantis supporters on here then to pump up so much anti-Trump noise if not to "influence" people? The possible answers if not to influence the primary election outcome are not flattering.

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Lol, first, sure just gloss over the part of my statement where I said "influnece the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation".

No. No one here is trying to influence the race to that extent.

Second, I love, LOVE a Trump supporter claiming that the motives behind pro-Desantis posts on here are "not flattering". Wow, the irony, just wow, lol.

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Well hopefully you love the fact that I'd be overjoyed with DeSantis being president but I looked at the tea leaves and saw that there wasn't really a feasible path that didn't involve the democrats taking out Trump. Sorry that realism is so hard for you to swallow.

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If Trump loses it will be because of Trump. If DeSantis loses it is because of DeSantis. The man in charge takes the blame.

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That is an incredibly simple take. Covid, News, censorship, voter fraud, Wars, and the economy are all relatively outside of each of those candidates control. There are far too many factors for it to be so simple.

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It's really not. Trump made a lot of decisions that cost him the last election. In the end he called the plays and got beat. Same will be true in the next election for good or bad. Every day he and DeSantis and Biden and other candidates make choices about what they will do and say and those choices are the largest factor in winning or losing. Doesn't mean it isn't harder for Trump or certainly that it is fair but Trump has the most impact on what happens to Trump.

I hate victimhood mentality.

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Trump is responsible to a degree, duh. But this idea that the outcome is make or break solely on him is just laughable.

It is akin to saying that a kid going to a ghetto school has just as much academic opportunity as a kid going to a rich suburbia public school. The factors around those kids are going to significantly alter the expected and possible outcomes for each kid. Will they be the sole deciding factor, no. But can they be the deciding factor, absolutely.

Once you realize that Trump isn't fully at fault for losing 2020 then you might come around to the idea that he can actually win in 2024. Which is largely your greatest criticism of him. Victimhood mentality is bad the opposite of full anti-victimhood mentality isn't much better.

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I never said "solely". I said that he was the person most responsible and that his actions made the most difference. I don't think that's really debatable. He had some advantages and disadvantage just like this time. Why is it such a foreign concept that Trump is ever responsible for his actions? Why is it always someone else's fault? It's just so bizarre to me. Everyone makes mistakes and you learn from mistakes, or you simply never learn and keep making them over and over again.

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Covid was literally someone else's fault. Russia Russia impeachment was literally someone else's fault. Twitter/FB censorship was literally someone else's fault. MSM lies was literally someone else's fault. Zukerbucks was literally someone else's fault.

Addressing those issues is how the Republicans will find a way to win. Not by saying well Trump has some personality issues so if we fix that then we will win.

Trump had a large part in authorizing the lab research again.

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Covid was literally someone else's fault. Russia Russia impeachment was literally someone else's fault. Twitter/FB censorship was literally someone else's fault. MSM lies was literally someone else's fault. Zukerbucks was literally someone else's fault.

Addressing those issues is how the Republicans will find a way to win. Not by saying well Trump has some personality issues so if we fix that then we will win.

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You can't separate Trump, his personality, and the inability to address the issues. Those things were not completely unrelated. The Covid response was absolutely in his realm, and his penchant for lying about everything absolutely contributed to how people interpreted him. It's putting your head in the sand to think his personality issues didn't contribute to those problems. Not only did they contribute to the problems, but one of his personality issues is his belief that he doesn't do anything wrong, and so nothing ever has to change. Good luck getting a different result when the guy in charge does absolutely nothing different.

According to polls, a bunch of people trust Trump over Biden to handle most of the pressing issues in the US but they hate Trump so much they're voting Biden.

That's not a recipe for GOP success.

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FireAg said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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FireAg said:

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Hey..you absolutely make a fair point, and I very much agree with you…

But to my point…how do you combat that?

Again, contrary to what some might think, you don't reverse it by regurgitating NBD tweets and anti-Trump articles on friggin' TexAgs…

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Do you honestly think the DeSantis supporters on here are posting in an attempt to influence the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation?

Or are you conflating our posts with the actual DeSantis campaign strategy?

The post above makes no sense and is just lashing out at a difference of opinion.

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Lashing out at a difference of opinion is what posters have been doing to me and a handful of others since before DeSantis even joined the race, and I was pointing out that he had a very uphill battle to reverse Trump inertia based on the polling at that time...

And folks clamored to remind me that I was looking at polling that was trash because he hadn't even entered the race yet...

And then he entered with a resounding thud, and as never recovered...

Lashing out is what has happened to folks like me for pointing out the facts of the situation, however unpopular, only to be rebutted with "you're just a Trumpet, and part of the cult!"

I have kept it real and fact-based this entire time...again, you may not like how this is unfolding, but you can't change it by sitting here posting pro-DeSantis and anti-Trump stuff all day long...

The inertia is infinitely greater than many of you have wanted to admit...

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The reason for that is all you do is talk about polling and how it is hopeless for DeSantis. You don't talk about what Trump says or DeSantis says. You don't talk about fundraising or ads or interviews. You just talk polling and typically it is reposting the averages that are regurgitating the same polls. Then sometimes you try to prove how one poll is right because of another poll or average of polls. Every so often you have a "woe is me" post like this that you play the victim that people don't like how you talk about polls and that they won't simply ignore everything else and focus on those polls as the only thing that matters. About the only other analysis you have is "DeSantis needs to do something" or "Arguing on a message board isn't changing the polls".

So yes, people get annoyed with it at some point. It is also odd that you claim to be a DeSantis supporter but you constantly put up negatives on DeSantis and claim it is basically hopeless for him. I don't know that I have ever seen you post a truly positive thing about him or why he can win or why you support him. I don't think I've ever seen you criticize Trump for pretty much anything. That said I haven't looked through every single one of your posts just mainly the ones on this thread.

Trump is likely going to win but we are still at least 5 months from knowing if that will be the case and maybe longer. We will see. As for me I see Trump as the nominee as a virtual guaranteed loss in the General so I would rather that not happen.

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I don't pump sunshine…I stick to facts…not warm and fuzzies and not completely fabricated government gotchas…

Facts…facts are annoying…got it…

Sorry I'm not the cheerleading, blind follower some of y'all need for your giant group hug…

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FireAg said:

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Hey..you absolutely make a fair point, and I very much agree with you…

But to my point…how do you combat that?

Again, contrary to what some might think, you don't reverse it by regurgitating NBD tweets and anti-Trump articles on friggin' TexAgs…

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Do you honestly think the DeSantis supporters on here are posting in an attempt to influence the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation?

Or are you conflating our posts with the actual DeSantis campaign strategy?

The post above makes no sense and is just lashing out at a difference of opinion.

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Lashing out at a difference of opinion is what posters have been doing to me and a handful of others since before DeSantis even joined the race, and I was pointing out that he had a very uphill battle to reverse Trump inertia based on the polling at that time...

And folks clamored to remind me that I was looking at polling that was trash because he hadn't even entered the race yet...

And then he entered with a resounding thud, and as never recovered...

Lashing out is what has happened to folks like me for pointing out the facts of the situation, however unpopular, only to be rebutted with "you're just a Trumpet, and part of the cult!"

I have kept it real and fact-based this entire time...again, you may not like how this is unfolding, but you can't change it by sitting here posting pro-DeSantis and anti-Trump stuff all day long...

The inertia is infinitely greater than many of you have wanted to admit...

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The reason for that is all you do is talk about polling and how it is hopeless for DeSantis. You don't talk about what Trump says or DeSantis says. You don't talk about fundraising or ads or interviews. You just talk polling and typically it is reposting the averages that are regurgitating the same polls. Then sometimes you try to prove how one poll is right because of another poll or average of polls. Every so often you have a "woe is me" post like this that you play the victim that people don't like how you talk about polls and that they won't simply ignore everything else and focus on those polls as the only thing that matters. About the only other analysis you have is "DeSantis needs to do something" or "Arguing on a message board isn't changing the polls".

So yes, people get annoyed with it at some point. It is also odd that you claim to be a DeSantis supporter but you constantly put up negatives on DeSantis and claim it is basically hopeless for him. I don't know that I have ever seen you post a truly positive thing about him or why he can win or why you support him. I don't think I've ever seen you criticize Trump for pretty much anything. That said I haven't looked through every single one of your posts just mainly the ones on this thread.

Trump is likely going to win but we are still at least 5 months from knowing if that will be the case and maybe longer. We will see. As for me I see Trump as the nominee as a virtual guaranteed loss in the General so I would rather that not happen.

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I don't pump sunshine…I stick to facts…not warm and fuzzies and not completely fabricated government gotchas…

Facts…facts are annoying…got it…

Sorry I'm not the cheerleading, blind follower some of y'all need for your giant group hug…

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Polls!= facts


HTH

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aggie93 said:

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FireAg said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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FireAg said:

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Hey..you absolutely make a fair point, and I very much agree with you…

But to my point…how do you combat that?

Again, contrary to what some might think, you don't reverse it by regurgitating NBD tweets and anti-Trump articles on friggin' TexAgs…

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Do you honestly think the DeSantis supporters on here are posting in an attempt to influence the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation?

Or are you conflating our posts with the actual DeSantis campaign strategy?

The post above makes no sense and is just lashing out at a difference of opinion.

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Lashing out at a difference of opinion is what posters have been doing to me and a handful of others since before DeSantis even joined the race, and I was pointing out that he had a very uphill battle to reverse Trump inertia based on the polling at that time...

And folks clamored to remind me that I was looking at polling that was trash because he hadn't even entered the race yet...

And then he entered with a resounding thud, and as never recovered...

Lashing out is what has happened to folks like me for pointing out the facts of the situation, however unpopular, only to be rebutted with "you're just a Trumpet, and part of the cult!"

I have kept it real and fact-based this entire time...again, you may not like how this is unfolding, but you can't change it by sitting here posting pro-DeSantis and anti-Trump stuff all day long...

The inertia is infinitely greater than many of you have wanted to admit...

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The reason for that is all you do is talk about polling and how it is hopeless for DeSantis. You don't talk about what Trump says or DeSantis says. You don't talk about fundraising or ads or interviews. You just talk polling and typically it is reposting the averages that are regurgitating the same polls. Then sometimes you try to prove how one poll is right because of another poll or average of polls. Every so often you have a "woe is me" post like this that you play the victim that people don't like how you talk about polls and that they won't simply ignore everything else and focus on those polls as the only thing that matters. About the only other analysis you have is "DeSantis needs to do something" or "Arguing on a message board isn't changing the polls".

So yes, people get annoyed with it at some point. It is also odd that you claim to be a DeSantis supporter but you constantly put up negatives on DeSantis and claim it is basically hopeless for him. I don't know that I have ever seen you post a truly positive thing about him or why he can win or why you support him. I don't think I've ever seen you criticize Trump for pretty much anything. That said I haven't looked through every single one of your posts just mainly the ones on this thread.

Trump is likely going to win but we are still at least 5 months from knowing if that will be the case and maybe longer. We will see. As for me I see Trump as the nominee as a virtual guaranteed loss in the General so I would rather that not happen.

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I don't pump sunshine…I stick to facts…not warm and fuzzies and not completely fabricated government gotchas…

Facts…facts are annoying…got it…

Sorry I'm not the cheerleading, blind follower some of y'all need for your giant group hug…

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This is the opposite of a fact:

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The ONLY way he is the R nominee next November is is something happens to Trump...by hook or by crook...

It's that simple, unfortunately...

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Hillary Clinton is deplorable for saying that Trump voters should be placed in a reeducation camp.

This just shows how nuts the left has become. The left wants a one-party state — and will get one if we don’t fight back! https://t.co/9ZzWeIDXaf

— Ron DeSantis (@RonDeSantis) October 6, 2023

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texagbeliever said:

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aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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FireAg said:

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Hey..you absolutely make a fair point, and I very much agree with you…

But to my point…how do you combat that?

Again, contrary to what some might think, you don't reverse it by regurgitating NBD tweets and anti-Trump articles on friggin' TexAgs…

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Do you honestly think the DeSantis supporters on here are posting in an attempt to influence the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation?

Or are you conflating our posts with the actual DeSantis campaign strategy?

The post above makes no sense and is just lashing out at a difference of opinion.

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What is the point of DeSantis supporters on here then to pump up so much anti-Trump noise if not to "influence" people? The possible answers if not to influence the primary election outcome are not flattering.

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Lol, first, sure just gloss over the part of my statement where I said "influnece the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation".

No. No one here is trying to influence the race to that extent.

Second, I love, LOVE a Trump supporter claiming that the motives behind pro-Desantis posts on here are "not flattering". Wow, the irony, just wow, lol.

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Well hopefully you love the fact that I'd be overjoyed with DeSantis being president but I looked at the tea leaves and saw that there wasn't really a feasible path that didn't involve the democrats taking out Trump. Sorry that realism is so hard for you to swallow.

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If Trump loses it will be because of Trump. If DeSantis loses it is because of DeSantis. The man in charge takes the blame.

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That is an incredibly simple take. Covid, News, censorship, voter fraud, Wars, and the economy are all relatively outside of each of those candidates control. There are far too many factors for it to be so simple.

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It's really not. Trump made a lot of decisions that cost him the last election. In the end he called the plays and got beat. Same will be true in the next election for good or bad. Every day he and DeSantis and Biden and other candidates make choices about what they will do and say and those choices are the largest factor in winning or losing. Doesn't mean it isn't harder for Trump or certainly that it is fair but Trump has the most impact on what happens to Trump.

I hate victimhood mentality.

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Trump is responsible to a degree, duh. But this idea that the outcome is make or break solely on him is just laughable.

It is akin to saying that a kid going to a ghetto school has just as much academic opportunity as a kid going to a rich suburbia public school. The factors around those kids are going to significantly alter the expected and possible outcomes for each kid. Will they be the sole deciding factor, no. But can they be the deciding factor, absolutely.

Once you realize that Trump isn't fully at fault for losing 2020 then you might come around to the idea that he can actually win in 2024. Which is largely your greatest criticism of him. Victimhood mentality is bad the opposite of full anti-victimhood mentality isn't much better.

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I never said "solely". I said that he was the person most responsible and that his actions made the most difference. I don't think that's really debatable. He had some advantages and disadvantage just like this time. Why is it such a foreign concept that Trump is ever responsible for his actions? Why is it always someone else's fault? It's just so bizarre to me. Everyone makes mistakes and you learn from mistakes, or you simply never learn and keep making them over and over again.

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Covid was literally someone else's fault. Russia Russia impeachment was literally someone else's fault. Twitter/FB censorship was literally someone else's fault. MSM lies was literally someone else's fault. Zukerbucks was literally someone else's fault.

Addressing those issues is how the Republicans will find a way to win. Not by saying well Trump has some personality issues so if we fix that then we will win.

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Trump was also the most powerful man on Earth at that time and made hundreds of decisions regarding all of that. For instance he chose "2 Weeks to Stop the Spread" and then didn't stick to it because he was under pressure. He chose to push through the CARES Act that caused a lot of those other issues without taking the time to make sure they were clean. He said a lot of stupid things during the Russia story that kept it alive and breathed oxygen into it.

President's have a hard job. Republican President's have an even harder one. If Trump is going to be the guy he needs to have those solutions and step up and take responsibility. As it stands he just whines about how unfair things were, throws out some vague promises about Draining the Swamp, and then moves on.

FireAg said:

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aggie93 said:

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FireAg said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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FireAg said:

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Hey..you absolutely make a fair point, and I very much agree with you…

But to my point…how do you combat that?

Again, contrary to what some might think, you don't reverse it by regurgitating NBD tweets and anti-Trump articles on friggin' TexAgs…

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Do you honestly think the DeSantis supporters on here are posting in an attempt to influence the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation?

Or are you conflating our posts with the actual DeSantis campaign strategy?

The post above makes no sense and is just lashing out at a difference of opinion.

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Lashing out at a difference of opinion is what posters have been doing to me and a handful of others since before DeSantis even joined the race, and I was pointing out that he had a very uphill battle to reverse Trump inertia based on the polling at that time...

And folks clamored to remind me that I was looking at polling that was trash because he hadn't even entered the race yet...

And then he entered with a resounding thud, and as never recovered...

Lashing out is what has happened to folks like me for pointing out the facts of the situation, however unpopular, only to be rebutted with "you're just a Trumpet, and part of the cult!"

I have kept it real and fact-based this entire time...again, you may not like how this is unfolding, but you can't change it by sitting here posting pro-DeSantis and anti-Trump stuff all day long...

The inertia is infinitely greater than many of you have wanted to admit...

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The reason for that is all you do is talk about polling and how it is hopeless for DeSantis. You don't talk about what Trump says or DeSantis says. You don't talk about fundraising or ads or interviews. You just talk polling and typically it is reposting the averages that are regurgitating the same polls. Then sometimes you try to prove how one poll is right because of another poll or average of polls. Every so often you have a "woe is me" post like this that you play the victim that people don't like how you talk about polls and that they won't simply ignore everything else and focus on those polls as the only thing that matters. About the only other analysis you have is "DeSantis needs to do something" or "Arguing on a message board isn't changing the polls".

So yes, people get annoyed with it at some point. It is also odd that you claim to be a DeSantis supporter but you constantly put up negatives on DeSantis and claim it is basically hopeless for him. I don't know that I have ever seen you post a truly positive thing about him or why he can win or why you support him. I don't think I've ever seen you criticize Trump for pretty much anything. That said I haven't looked through every single one of your posts just mainly the ones on this thread.

Trump is likely going to win but we are still at least 5 months from knowing if that will be the case and maybe longer. We will see. As for me I see Trump as the nominee as a virtual guaranteed loss in the General so I would rather that not happen.

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I don't pump sunshine…I stick to facts…not warm and fuzzies and not completely fabricated government gotchas…

Facts…facts are annoying…got it…

Sorry I'm not the cheerleading, blind follower some of y'all need for your giant group hug…

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I put out plenty of negatives on DeSantis and state often (and in this very conversation) that Trump was likely to win.

Polls are not facts, they are data. They aren't votes. They aren't the be all end all.

I don't need a "group hug" either but I do enjoy detailed political discussion. That involves more than reposting polls and spreading doom and gloom. I'm fine with posting polls and post them myself sometimes but the way you talk about them as if they are all that matters is just bizarre. Typically at this point in a campaign polls can shift dramatically and we just don't know what is going to happen over the next 6 months to a year when things get serious. Historically nothing shifts until December or January, sometimes even later. Every cycle is different.

Maybe it's already over and Trump has it in the bag, it's just so strange because so many of the things that usually happen when a candidate is pulling away aren't happening outside of those polls.

“Last one in, first one out”: @RonDeSantis talks to @JeffAngeloRadio about his plans to SEND BACK every illegal alien released by Biden and how he will give states the power of deportation. pic.twitter.com/blXdWCXYbe

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) October 6, 2023

texagbeliever said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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FireAg said:

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Hey..you absolutely make a fair point, and I very much agree with you…

But to my point…how do you combat that?

Again, contrary to what some might think, you don't reverse it by regurgitating NBD tweets and anti-Trump articles on friggin' TexAgs…

---

Do you honestly think the DeSantis supporters on here are posting in an attempt to influence the opinions of millions of voters spread out across the nation?

Or are you conflating our posts with the actual DeSantis campaign strategy?

The post above makes no sense and is just lashing out at a difference of opinion.

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What is the point of DeSantis supporters on here then to pump up so much anti-Trump noise if not to "influence" people? The possible answers if not to influence the primary election outcome are not flattering.

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It's to vent about the stupidity of Americans

That's why I do it

The primary is over!

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There are discussions within Trump's campaign about one of his top advisers, Chris LaCivita, relocating temporarily to Iowa, according to people familiar with the matter who asked to remain anonymous to discuss internal deliberations.

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Trump's director for early voting states, Alex Latcham, is also shifting more of his focus to Iowa in lieu of other contests, people familiar with the matter said. And the campaign placed another aide over its state director, Marshall Moreau, who now reports to Alex Meyer.

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Donald Trump is intensifying efforts to win the Iowa Republican caucuses https://t.co/vxAJXWFz5B

— Bloomberg (@business) October 7, 2023

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The primary is over!

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There are discussions within Trump's campaign about one of his top advisers, Chris LaCivita, relocating temporarily to Iowa, according to people familiar with the matter who asked to remain anonymous to discuss internal deliberations.

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Trump's director for early voting states, Alex Latcham, is also shifting more of his focus to Iowa in lieu of other contests, people familiar with the matter said. And the campaign placed another aide over its state director, Marshall Moreau, who now reports to Alex Meyer.

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Donald Trump is intensifying efforts to win the Iowa Republican caucuses https://t.co/vxAJXWFz5B

— Bloomberg (@business) October 7, 2023

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But, but, but, Trump is crushing it in all the polls. The most magnificent, dominant polling lead in the history of polling. Beautiful really. You should see it. The race is all over. Everyone else needs to drop out and give him their funds. So why would he feel the need to focus a LOT more on IA?

"The DeSantis is on it's deathbed."-Steve Cheung

Beautiful morning in Iowa today! ☀️ pic.twitter.com/SlRPykMKIu

— Kristin Davison (@KristinDavison) October 7, 2023

Do you know what absolutely nobody said today when they saw the attack on Israel?

"God, we could sure use Ron DeSantis right now..."

Not a single person.

— Brenden Dilley (@WarlordDilley) October 8, 2023

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Do you know what absolutely nobody said today when they saw the attack on Israel?

"God, we could sure use Ron DeSantis right now..."

Not a single person.

— Brenden Dilley (@WarlordDilley) October 8, 2023

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Ah yes, another Trump influencer somehow knows what every single person in the world was thinking today.

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BD88 said:

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Do you know what absolutely nobody said today when they saw the attack on Israel?

"God, we could sure use Ron DeSantis right now..."

Not a single person.

— Brenden Dilley (@WarlordDilley) October 8, 2023

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Ah yes, another Trump influencer somehow knows what every single person in the world was thinking today.

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But if THE Brenden Dilley says it, it must be true!

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Rapier108 said:

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Do you know what absolutely nobody said today when they saw the attack on Israel?

"God, we could sure use Ron DeSantis right now..."

Not a single person.

— Brenden Dilley (@WarlordDilley) October 8, 2023

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Ah yes, another Trump influencer somehow knows what every single person in the world was thinking today.

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But if THE Brenden Dilley says it, it must be true!

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Careful guys, can't you tell by his X profile image this Brenden guy is a badass? And according to his website..

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Brenden's understanding of human psychology and social consciousness gives him an exceptional perspective on this movement, and his coaching/oratory skills help him break it down into easily digestible information for his audience.

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So he does know what everyone is thinking! Of course he does, he's MAGA, and only the best support Trump!

BD88 said:

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Do you know what absolutely nobody said today when they saw the attack on Israel?

"God, we could sure use Ron DeSantis right now..."

Not a single person.

— Brenden Dilley (@WarlordDilley) October 8, 2023

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Yea…I'm sure they are terrified of a draft dodging coward. This hero worship is so bizarre.

I mean who would want a guy who has served in a combat zone and on the Foreign Relations Committee who has an especially strong understanding of the dynamics of Israel? Oh the horror.

BD88 said:

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Do you know what absolutely nobody said today when they saw the attack on Israel?

"God, we could sure use Ron DeSantis right now..."

Not a single person.

— Brenden Dilley (@WarlordDilley) October 8, 2023

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LOL

Is he insinuating that President Bone Spurs would have any effect? Trump sycophants are hilarious.

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BD88 said:

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Do you know what absolutely nobody said today when they saw the attack on Israel?

"God, we could sure use Ron DeSantis right now..."

Not a single person.

— Brenden Dilley (@WarlordDilley) October 8, 2023

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LOL

Is he insinuating that President Bone Spurs would have any effect? Trump sycophants are hilarious.

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Would rather have bone spurs than lifts