OFFICIAL ****Donald Trump versus Ron DeSantis*** thread...

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FireAg said:

DeSantis is absolutely outperforming Trump versus Biden in Nevada...

However that is not the current narrative in South Carolina where Trump owns a significant edge there...

In Iowa, Trump and DeSantis are polling equally ahead of Biden...
So Trump can deliver the Swing State of South Carolina? That Lindsey endorsement paid off!

BTW I assume you are talking about Trump leading DeSantis in SC but that's not how that came out. SC is pretty much ideal for Trump with a high proportion of rural voters, non college voters, and a split vote among non Trump with Haley and Scott both from the state.
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Hmmm.. should I believe:

1. Four Star Army General and war hero John Kelly.. or

2. the Orange God King who just this past weekend admitted that he publicly lied to the entire American public about building a wall and having Mexico pay for it.
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Kelly's statement to CNN comes days after former Trump White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson sat down with CNN in an interview promoting her new book, "Enough," and warned the public that "Donald Trump is the most grave threat we will face to our democracy in our lifetime, and potentially in American history."

"Enough," interestingly, contains a scene in which Hutchinson and then-White House communications director Alyssa Farah Griffin push back against Goldberg's 2020 story. Griffin issued a statement to The Atlantic after that story posted denying the report.

Reached for comment over the weekend, Griffin said, "Despite publicly praising the military and claiming to be the most pro-military president, there's a demonstrable record of Trump bashing the most decorated service members in our country, from Gen. Mattis to Kelly to Milley, to criticizing the wounded or deceased like John McCain. Donald Trump will fundamentally never understand service the way those who have actually served in uniform will, and it's one of the countless reasons he's unfit to be commander in chief."

No other presidential candidate in history has had so many detractors from his inner circle. His former secretary of defense, Mark Esper, told CNN in November 2022, "I think he's unfit for office. … He puts himself before country. His actions are all about him and not about the country. And then, of course, I believe he has integrity and character issues as well."

Trump's former attorney general, Bill Barr, told CBS in June that "he is a consummate narcissist. And he constantly engages in reckless conduct. … He will always put his own interests, and gratifying his own ego, ahead of everything else, including the country's interests. Our country can't, you know, can't be a therapy session for you know, a troubled man like this."

How anyone can defend Trump anymore is literally unbelievable
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Wyoming said:

BigRobSA said:

Wyoming said:

Rapier108 said:

Wyoming said:

Rapier108 said:

Wyoming said:

The only two viable options are DeSantis and Haley, but this isn't a 100 meter dash. It's Trump against Fat Albert and the Cosby kids. Trump will win the republicans primary, DeSantis time will come but not 2024.
2024 is it. If the Democrats win in 2024, they will make sure no Republican will ever have a chance again as they will federalize elections and enact all of their 2020 tactics nationwide.

If you want to ride the Trump train one last time, this is where it will take us.
I am not on the Trump train, I just think the other candidates are on the little engine that could except thinking you can won't get it done.

Trump has created a sh*tstorm of the republican primary. But it is what it is and Trump won't be beat in the primary. It's going to be Trump against a Biden Newsom ticket.
Then this country is done.

We have at least an even chance at winning with Trump. He needs to pick someone like Tulsi Gabbard and we could win. It's the best of bad options, and I think Trump will do things like finish the wall, get the economy going again, stop the endless foreign aid, etc..




A liberal, lame duck, leadershipless, friendless moron...that's the guy you think will get that done?

He did none of that WITH power. With none? He has no chance.
Lol, another unhinged post. so I take it you will be voting for Biden. That is your other choice besides Trump or abstain, which is 1/2 vote for Biden. DeSantis should be polling in the 30s right now if he stood a chance at beating Trump. If this was a football game, it would be 35 to 7 or so at the half at this point, but holding onto hope for a comeback.




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The idea that you think my MexiHonky would ever vote for a Democrat is dumber than thinking I am having bacon for breakfast.

Jeepers
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Okie Dokey. I think I need to make a return to this board in about 3 months, or after a few primaries. Too many are still holding onto hope that DeSantis can win the primary.

Like I said, DeSantis needs to be in the 30's in polling now to have a chance at Trump, and he has only lost support in the past 6 months, from 24% to 13-14%.
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So you pretty much just admitted you came here to troll, or you lied when you said you're not on the Trump train.
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FireAg said:

DeSantis is absolutely outperforming Trump versus Biden in Nevada...

However that is not the current narrative in South Carolina where Trump owns a significant edge there...

In Iowa, Trump and DeSantis are polling equally ahead of Biden...
I think we saw a month or two ago that the Utah Republicans are huge supporters of DeSantis and that RD has a lead in Utah.

so it makes sense that Nevada, close geographically and with a large Mormon population would also be disposed towards DeSantis and against Trump

just have to hope that the Trump attempt to change the rules of the game to take away the caucus for the primary (or vice versa) will be stopped after DeSantis wins Iowa.
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FireAg said:

Some of y'all speak in absolutes about a lot of hypotheticals and unknowns…

We know very little right now other than trends…
that is simply not true.

we know ACTUAL ELECTION RESULTS which have REALLY occurred in the last 6 years.

which is more valuable-

1. an online push poll paid for by a political campaign

2. actual verified election results in Arizona and Georgia and Pennsylvania since 2016?
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Wyoming said:

Okie Dokey. I think I need to make a return to this board in about 3 months, or after a few primaries. Too many are still holding onto hope that DeSantis can win the primary.

Like I said, DeSantis needs to be in the 30's in polling now to have a chance at Trump, and he has only lost support in the past 6 months, from 24% to 13-14%.
Actually he doesn't. Most people won't be paying attention until December/January and it is a state by state race. If you think national polls with a few hundred people are the ballgame and we need to closely monitor those numbers NOW to determine the winner you don't understand how this game works.

Trump may well win and win big, certainly he has plenty of reasons why he could. It's just this false sense of DeSantis needing to make up ground in national polls several months before the primaries start or else he should go home is just stupid and honestly it shows desperation by Trump who knows he is vulnerable.
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LMCane said:

FireAg said:

DeSantis is absolutely outperforming Trump versus Biden in Nevada...

However that is not the current narrative in South Carolina where Trump owns a significant edge there...

In Iowa, Trump and DeSantis are polling equally ahead of Biden...
I think we saw a month or two ago that the Utah Republicans are huge supporters of DeSantis and that RD has a lead in Utah.

so it makes sense that Nevada, close geographically and with a large Mormon population would also be disposed towards DeSantis and against Trump

just have to hope that the Trump attempt to change the rules of the game to take away the caucus for the primary (or vice versa) will be stopped after DeSantis wins Iowa.
I looked at Utah polling for the R primary...Trump still leads on average, but it is fair to say that Utah polling for Trump is a tighter race vs DeSantis than Iowa (for example)...

Utah does appear to have "battleground-like" polling for the R primary...
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I think Utah will go DeSantis pretty heavily if he is still in the race at that time

even McMuffin did well back in 2016.

Mormons are not going to back Trump for a myriad of reasons and DeSantis type of conservatism appeals to them

hopefully it gives momentum in Nevada
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LMCane said:

FireAg said:

Some of y'all speak in absolutes about a lot of hypotheticals and unknowns…

We know very little right now other than trends…
that is simply not true.

we know ACTUAL ELECTION RESULTS which have REALLY occurred in the last 6 years.

which is more valuable-

1. an online push poll paid for by a political campaign

2. actual verified election results in Arizona and Georgia and Pennsylvania since 2016?
Past results are not predictive of future performance...especially when it comes to elections, and especially when it comes to this particular election where many Americans believe that Biden is in fact the greater of two evils when compared to Trump...

I won't even get into the fraud (for which I believe has taken place at an alarmingly high rate in our electoral process in multiple elections) that is alleged...the whole "fact" versus "truth" argument is one that each side admittedly puts on blinders for...

I will simply say that Biden is, quite literally, a dead man walking, politically speaking...

Now to be fair, remove "Biden" and insert "someone not named Kamala Harris", and I think that changes the entire landscape...and I think the RNC would need to really think about their next play at that point...
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FireAg said:

LMCane said:

FireAg said:

Some of y'all speak in absolutes about a lot of hypotheticals and unknowns…

We know very little right now other than trends…
that is simply not true.

we know ACTUAL ELECTION RESULTS which have REALLY occurred in the last 6 years.

which is more valuable-

1. an online push poll paid for by a political campaign

2. actual verified election results in Arizona and Georgia and Pennsylvania since 2016?
Past results are not predictive of future performance...especially when it comes to elections, and especially when it comes to this particular election where many Americans believe that Biden is in fact the greater of two evils when compared to Trump...

I won't even get into the fraud (for which I believe has taken place at an alarmingly high rate in our electoral process in multiple elections) that is alleged...the whole "fact" versus "truth" argument is one that each side admittedly puts on blinders for...

I will simply say that Biden is, quite literally, a dead man walking, politically speaking...

Now to be fair, remove "Biden" and insert "someone not named Kamala Harris", and I think that changes the entire landscape...and I think the RNC would need to really think about their next play at that point...
But that choice has already been made by the country, and it's going to be difficult to get a different result this time around. Once people have already made that choice, that Trump is the greater of two evils, that connection is already made and makes the decision that much easier the next time the exact same choice is available.

And it's not even a static choice. Yes, Biden is even worse now than he was in 2020, but Trump is not better either. There is no Trump wave...the incentives are drying for people to join up with either side.
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Phatbob said:

FireAg said:

LMCane said:

FireAg said:

Some of y'all speak in absolutes about a lot of hypotheticals and unknowns…

We know very little right now other than trends…
that is simply not true.

we know ACTUAL ELECTION RESULTS which have REALLY occurred in the last 6 years.

which is more valuable-

1. an online push poll paid for by a political campaign

2. actual verified election results in Arizona and Georgia and Pennsylvania since 2016?
Past results are not predictive of future performance...especially when it comes to elections, and especially when it comes to this particular election where many Americans believe that Biden is in fact the greater of two evils when compared to Trump...

I won't even get into the fraud (for which I believe has taken place at an alarmingly high rate in our electoral process in multiple elections) that is alleged...the whole "fact" versus "truth" argument is one that each side admittedly puts on blinders for...

I will simply say that Biden is, quite literally, a dead man walking, politically speaking...

Now to be fair, remove "Biden" and insert "someone not named Kamala Harris", and I think that changes the entire landscape...and I think the RNC would need to really think about their next play at that point...
But that choice has already been made by the country, and it's going to be difficult to get a different result this time around. Once people have already made that choice, that Trump is the greater of two evils, that connection is already made and makes the decision that much easier the next time the exact same choice is available.

And it's not even a static choice. Yes, Biden is even worse now than he was in 2020, but Trump is not better either. There is no Trump wave...the incentives are drying for people to join up with either side.
Ah, but at this rate, they will have to join with one of them, and right now, based on polling averages, the current trend favors Trump...

It is what it is, I'm afraid...

Another troubling trend I'm starting to see as the last debate is starting to be baked into the latest rounds of polling...no one at the last R debate helped themselves...need to see how things play out this week, but the early returns are pretty "meh"...
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FireAg said:

Phatbob said:

FireAg said:

LMCane said:

FireAg said:

Some of y'all speak in absolutes about a lot of hypotheticals and unknowns…

We know very little right now other than trends…
that is simply not true.

we know ACTUAL ELECTION RESULTS which have REALLY occurred in the last 6 years.

which is more valuable-

1. an online push poll paid for by a political campaign

2. actual verified election results in Arizona and Georgia and Pennsylvania since 2016?
Past results are not predictive of future performance...especially when it comes to elections, and especially when it comes to this particular election where many Americans believe that Biden is in fact the greater of two evils when compared to Trump...

I won't even get into the fraud (for which I believe has taken place at an alarmingly high rate in our electoral process in multiple elections) that is alleged...the whole "fact" versus "truth" argument is one that each side admittedly puts on blinders for...

I will simply say that Biden is, quite literally, a dead man walking, politically speaking...

Now to be fair, remove "Biden" and insert "someone not named Kamala Harris", and I think that changes the entire landscape...and I think the RNC would need to really think about their next play at that point...
But that choice has already been made by the country, and it's going to be difficult to get a different result this time around. Once people have already made that choice, that Trump is the greater of two evils, that connection is already made and makes the decision that much easier the next time the exact same choice is available.

And it's not even a static choice. Yes, Biden is even worse now than he was in 2020, but Trump is not better either. There is no Trump wave...the incentives are drying for people to join up with either side.
Ah, but at this rate, they will have to join with one of them, and right now, based on polling averages, the current trend favors Trump...

It is what it is, I'm afraid...

Another troubling trend I'm starting to see as the last debate is starting to be baked into the latest rounds of polling...no one at the last R debate helped themselves...need to see how things play out this week, but the early returns are pretty "meh"...
The trends have favored Trump for a long time but people still aren't engaged and outside of a 25% or so base most Trump supporters are still open to other candidates. Also about 30-35% don't want Trump at all. Right now Trump is doing very well with that "everything in the middle" vote but those are also the least engaged and the most likely to change.

DeSantis has been improving on lots of the "undercard" stuff. His favorables are still very high. He's becoming more and more seen as the only real option besides Trump that has a chance to beat him. He's got a lot of groundswell in Iowa and had an excellent debate where the few who watched it really liked what they saw. He needs to keep reducing the field which is a challenge because McDaniel clearly made a deal with Trump to help him get the nomination so she is letting the debates become a crapshow and trying to make the process as favorable for Trump as she can.

Still Trump is in the driver's seat for sure, it's just the race still doesn't really start until December no matter how much people want to act as though that isn't the case. Interested to see how the fundraising numbers come out in the next few days.
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It's disgusting how bad the grift has gotten around Trump. I used to enjoy Jack but damn he's sold out.


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It will be interesting to see where the MAGA grifting industry goes once Trump is crushed like a bug (assuming he is the nominee) in the general election. Countless people have sold their souls to Trump, and numerous entities are forever tied to Trump and without him they have nothing.

If he is still alive in 2028, he will run again and the grift will continue. The MAGA grift only ends when Trump passes away.
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Rapier108 said:

It will be interesting to see where the MAGA grifting industry goes once Trump is crushed like a bug (assuming he is the nominee) in the general election. Countless people have sold their souls to Trump, and numerous entities are forever tied to Trump and without him they have nothing.

If he is still alive in 2028, he will run again and the grift will continue. The MAGA grift only ends when Trump passes away.
Don Junior will try to keep the grift going as long as possible

but I do think that if Trump is the nominee, the last image we see of him is slinking away after refusing to concede his second defeat to Biden or his first defeat to Newsome.

Trump is too much a @#$# to ever give a concession speech on election night.

the beating will be the worst defeat for a Presidential candidate since Bob Dole in 1996.
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Disagree. They'll move on to Don Jr.
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LMCane said:

Rapier108 said:

It will be interesting to see where the MAGA grifting industry goes once Trump is crushed like a bug (assuming he is the nominee) in the general election. Countless people have sold their souls to Trump, and numerous entities are forever tied to Trump and without him they have nothing.

If he is still alive in 2028, he will run again and the grift will continue. The MAGA grift only ends when Trump passes away.
Don Junior will try to keep the grift going as long as possible

but I do think that if Trump is the nominee, the last image we see of him is slinking away after refusing to concede his second defeat to Biden or his first defeat to Newsome.

Trump is too much a @#$# to ever give a concession speech on election night.

the beating will be the worst defeat for a Presidential candidate since Bob Dole in 1996.
Oh it's going to be more like Goldwater or worse if Trump is the nominee. I don't think people realize just how badly he could and will likely lose once he gets a few convictions, is completely broke, and the media goes both barrels on him. GOP turnout will be in the toilet and it will be a wipeout in both Houses. They have so much ammo on him they haven't been using and people just ignore it and are distracted by meaningless polls many of which are literally funded by Democrats making Trump look good.

I don't think the mojo transfers to Junior though. He might try but he isn't the same guy as his old man. Trump is unique. I expect some of them to become Democrats and some to go Indy while others just look for some vestige within the GOP.
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TRM said:

Disagree. They'll move on to Don Jr.
I think it will be a MAGA civil war.

Besides Don Jr, you'd have Loomer, MTG, Gaetz, Boebert, Stone, Bannon, Flynn, and the rest of his little merry band of sycophants all try to become the "true heir of Trump" and take over the MAGA grift.

Hopefully the entire group would end up self immolating.
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J. Walter Weatherman said:

Rapier108 said:

Trump's entire strategy is based on three things.

Playing the endless victim card and demanding people vote for him for "revenge."

Trashing his opponents with lies, innuendo, and 3 grade sandbox antics.

And convincing people of this.




Subcategory of number 3 - hiding at Maralago Biden basement style in the hopes that no one can see how much he's deteriorated since 2020.
He in full campaign mode right now by going to that trial in NY.

Every news outlet has him at or near the top story for the past 2 days.

All he has to do is sit there, make faces/gestures, and the media puts out a new story.

No actual campaigning required, but it lets him play the victim card which is the only thing that keeps his polling up. As long as he cries "persecution" non-MAGA Republican votes just can't let him go.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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It's going to be a crash they'll be writing books for decades about and no, Donald jr. has little chance for a future in politics - name will be scorned.

As for DeSantis, is there any damage control he needs for todays fiasco with Congress? Is he too close to any of the players? Voters will be dismayed with the GOP chaos. DeSantis needs to talk about problem solving .
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DeSantis talked about problem solving and the need for vision in Congress today.
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https://thedispatch.com/article/ron-desantis-donors-upbeat-about-third-quarter-fundraising/
Quote:

Ron DeSantis raised roughly $10 million to $15 million in the third quarter, with Never Back Down, the super PAC supporting the Florida governor, collecting an additional $10 million to $20 million, Republican donors backing his presidential bid tell The Dispatch.
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agz win said:

It's going to be a crash they'll be writing books for decades about and no, Donald jr. has little chance for a future in politics - name will be scorned.

As for DeSantis, is there any damage control he needs for todays fiasco with Congress? Is he too close to any of the players? Voters will be dismayed with the GOP chaos. DeSantis needs to talk about problem solving .
Trump literally is a major reason that McCarthy got the job and came out today saying he liked him because he said nice things about him. DeSantis came out with a strong statement against McCarthy and has never supported him going back 10 years.

Clearly DeSantis needs to do damage control.
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LMCane said:

Hmmm.. should I believe:

1. Four Star Army Marine General and war hero John Kelly.. or

2. the Orange God King who just this past weekend admitted that he publicly lied to the entire American public about building a wall and having Mexico pay for it.
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Haley surpassing ronald.

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Haley has spent much more time in NH over IA this past month. The last NH poll showed Haley, DeSantis, and Christie all around 10-15% so really, she's taking from the Christie group. DeSantis had a NH swing planned in late August/early Sept, but that got called off due to Idalia and he missed 2 weeks on the trail because of that. So he hasn't been there in a month and a half.

Sidenote: nice to see Vivek collapsing in the polls.

I think after her fracking attack lie, DeSantis will be more aggressive with her at the Miami debate. I'd hit her with her comments about Hillary inspiring her to run in 2003 and using a personal email to conduct business as UN Ambassador like HRC.

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How any sentient being believes Trump can win a general election is literally unfathomable at this point. After 3 national election defeats, after two impeachments, after 91 felony charges, after dinner with Kanye and Head Nazi, after lying about DeSantis, after betraying the pro-life movement, and now...

A judge issued a gag order Tuesday after Donald Trump attacked the judge's law clerk on social media and in comments to reporters covering his New York business fraud trial.

"Consider this a gag order on all parties with respect to posting or publicly speaking about any member of my staff," Manhattan Supreme Court Judge Arthur Engoron said on the second day of the former president's civil trial.

Engoron said personal attacks on his staff were unacceptable and intolerable.

The judge was angered by Trump's post earlier Tuesday on his Truth Social site that included disparaging comments about the clerk alongside a photo of her posing with Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.
Trump in that post had called the clerk "Schumer's girlfriend" and accused her of "running this case against me."
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agz win said:

It's going to be a crash they'll be writing books for decades about and no, Donald jr. has little chance for a future in politics - name will be scorned.

As for DeSantis, is there any damage control he needs for todays fiasco with Congress? Is he too close to any of the players? Voters will be dismayed with the GOP chaos. DeSantis needs to talk about problem solving .

DeSantis was one of the Founding members of the Freedom Caucus 12 years ago

but if anyone, he has the least to do with what is going on in DC.

Former Speaker McCarthy was kissing Trump's @## a few weeks ago and DeSantis blasted him over his spending.

Gaetz is an Always Trumper at Mar A Lago all the time.

if anyone has nothing to do with insane DC Republicans- it's the Governor of Florida.
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TRM said:

https://thedispatch.com/article/ron-desantis-donors-upbeat-about-third-quarter-fundraising/
Quote:

Ron DeSantis raised roughly $10 million to $15 million in the third quarter, with Never Back Down, the super PAC supporting the Florida governor, collecting an additional $10 million to $20 million, Republican donors backing his presidential bid tell The Dispatch.

I'm seeing a total of $35 million collected by the DeSantis teams in the last quarter

sounds pretty good.

considering we aren't hearing from any other campaign.
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Gotta win your home state…right?

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