RNC deemed Trafalgar and I think InsiderAdvantage as non-quality polls for the debate.

There was another crap poll that came out today as well that had Trump up by 15 with Gen Z.

FireAg said:

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Trump continues to pull away...

Ramaswamy continues to be the only candidate not named Trump to have any momentum...

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Copying myself from the other thread:


Dude, give it up. It's not surprising at all. Trump has diehards. Those diehards aren't giving up, and with each passing indictment those diehards become even more entrenched. Any support ramaswammy is getting is only because half the party is hoping for ANYONE to beat Donald and there are so many candidates it's going to be split a billion different ways. Just like 2016.

Many on this board called in months ago. If this is trump vs 3+ other candidates, trump is the likely winner. The only real hope is desantis winning the first few states and riding that momentum to a solid race down the stretch. But as soon as idiots like Haley, Scott, Pence, etc entered the race, it was always going to be a long shot

aggie93 said:

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FireAg said:

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Trump continues to pull away...

Ramaswamy continues to be the only candidate not named Trump to have any momentum...

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Dude how many threads are you going to post this on? It's not new information either. BTW, quality of polls continues to go down. That new CBS poll NATIONALLY had barely 500 people. It's a joke.

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Concerned maga strikes again.

In other polling news, thought this was interesting from Silver:

https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-is-not-inevitable-in-iowa

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So it felt a bit off to see headlines touting Trump's lead as commanding or dominant. Characterizing a poll benefits from historical context. Historically speaking, a 23-point lead on the night before a general election is commanding. The candidate is essentially always going to win. But a 23-point lead five months before the Iowa caucuses is not especially safe at all.

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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aggie93 said:

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FireAg said:

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Trump continues to pull away...

Ramaswamy continues to be the only candidate not named Trump to have any momentum...

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Dude how many threads are you going to post this on? It's not new information either. BTW, quality of polls continues to go down. That new CBS poll NATIONALLY had barely 500 people. It's a joke.

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Concerned maga strikes again.

In other polling news, thought this was interesting from Silver:

https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-is-not-inevitable-in-iowa

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So it felt a bit off to see headlines touting Trump's lead as commanding or dominant. Characterizing a poll benefits from historical context. Historically speaking, a 23-point lead on the night before a general election is commanding. The candidate is essentially always going to win. But a 23-point lead five months before the Iowa caucuses is not especially safe at all.

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BUT THE TRENDS!!!!

Trump doing Trump stuff.

aggie93 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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aggie93 said:

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FireAg said:

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Trump continues to pull away...

Ramaswamy continues to be the only candidate not named Trump to have any momentum...

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Dude how many threads are you going to post this on? It's not new information either. BTW, quality of polls continues to go down. That new CBS poll NATIONALLY had barely 500 people. It's a joke.

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Concerned maga strikes again.

In other polling news, thought this was interesting from Silver:

https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-is-not-inevitable-in-iowa

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So it felt a bit off to see headlines touting Trump's lead as commanding or dominant. Characterizing a poll benefits from historical context. Historically speaking, a 23-point lead on the night before a general election is commanding. The candidate is essentially always going to win. But a 23-point lead five months before the Iowa caucuses is not especially safe at all.

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BUT THE TRENDS!!!!

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As I have mentioned...I think he could be around 6-8 points closer to Trump than the Iowa polls indicate...I've been very consistent in stating that he needs to be within that range of Trump on Caucus day, and then it would get interesting...

The down side of simply looking at Iowa, as I have also mentioned, is that Iowa has been a distinctly poor predictor for the R's on who ultimately won the nomination...

aggie93 said:

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Trump doing Trump stuff.

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Actually...on this, he makes a solid point...

FireAg said:

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aggie93 said:

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Trump doing Trump stuff.

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Actually...on this, he makes a solid point...

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Oh I know, I just posted it for entertainment value mostly. Dude can word vomit like no one.

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aggie93 said:

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Trump doing Trump stuff.

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Actually...on this, he makes a solid point...

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And if he didn't have someone spray paint the orange onto his face, he's right, no one would recognize him. They'd just think he's someone's great grandfather on his way to visit family.

FireAg said:

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aggie93 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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aggie93 said:

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FireAg said:

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Trump continues to pull away...

Ramaswamy continues to be the only candidate not named Trump to have any momentum...

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Dude how many threads are you going to post this on? It's not new information either. BTW, quality of polls continues to go down. That new CBS poll NATIONALLY had barely 500 people. It's a joke.

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Concerned maga strikes again.

In other polling news, thought this was interesting from Silver:

https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-is-not-inevitable-in-iowa

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So it felt a bit off to see headlines touting Trump's lead as commanding or dominant. Characterizing a poll benefits from historical context. Historically speaking, a 23-point lead on the night before a general election is commanding. The candidate is essentially always going to win. But a 23-point lead five months before the Iowa caucuses is not especially safe at all.

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BUT THE TRENDS!!!!

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As I have mentioned...I think he could be around 6-8 points closer to Trump than the Iowa polls indicate...I've been very consistent in stating that he needs to be within that range of Trump on Caucus day, and then it would get interesting...

The down side of simply looking at Iowa, as I have also mentioned, is that Iowa has been a distinctly poor predictor for the R's on who ultimately won the nomination...

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Now you are mixing things.

I agree he needs to be in striking distance before Iowa. Cruz was down 11 in the last poll but won by 3. Polls for Caucus states are hard to gauge because people have to show up and it has weird rules, enthusiasm and organization is huge.

As for Iowa meaning something that varies each cycle. This cycle Trump is banking heavily on being the presumptive candidate and everyone should drop out. If he loses Iowa that is a massive blow for him and shifts the entire narrative. We don't know how many candidates are going to be left by then either or how it is shaping out. This race has its own dynamic. I think DeSantis winning Iowa just makes it a real race but doesn't mean he wins the nomination by any means.

Trump will also be in the middle of a trial during the Caucus, we have no idea if that will help him or hurt him. At some point he is going to have to answer the question as well "If you are convicted what are you going to do?" I don't think most people have really thought that through what it means if he is in jail or dealing with appeals for criminal charges. They are angry and have thought about how it is wrong but not the actual process of what happens and how he can be effective.

Most of all though I just don't see how all of this polling this far out and trying to obsess over trend lines is more than a data point.

When your candidate is a declining octogenarian who’s too low energy to show up at debates, let alone have a single campaign event on his schedule, you’re left with desperate astroturf efforts like this. pic.twitter.com/N8dlvBARzS

— Steve Deace (@SteveDeaceShow) August 22, 2023

Great, let's make things more expensive.

New: Trump is vowing an "automatic" 10% tariff on *ALL* imports to US

Calls for "ring" around US economy

Would likely mean global trade war far surpassing his 1st term's

Came up at Bedminster dinner last week w/ top aides, including Kudlow & Gingrichhttps://t.co/9Sqc3Ye4tJ

— Jeff Stein (@JStein_WaPo) August 22, 2023

We need ads with this theme. Gov DeSantis fought for my job and livelihood.

I love President Trump. But I owe my livelihood to @GovRonDeSantis. Thank you, @RonDeSantis ! See you on the campaign trail! pic.twitter.com/NhadNmt4FS

— Dr Joel Rudman for Florida House District 3 (@doc_rudman) August 22, 2023

Seems like it'll be a bloodbath.

Brutal poll for Trump.

☑️ Biden +6

☑️ Trump's margins among minorities are largely consistent w/ 2020-22 results, some improvements w/ Hispanics.

☑️ But he's losing ground with college-educated whites.

☑️ 5% of Republicans sit out 2024 w/ Trump as nominee (same as midterms) https://t.co/lYYQlJ8djx pic.twitter.com/jAyinPZ9Q5

— WPA Intelligence (@WPAIntel) August 23, 2023

TRM said:

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Seems like it'll be a bloodbath.

Brutal poll for Trump.

☑️ Biden +6

☑️ Trump's margins among minorities are largely consistent w/ 2020-22 results, some improvements w/ Hispanics.

☑️ But he's losing ground with college-educated whites.

☑️ 5% of Republicans sit out 2024 w/ Trump as nominee (same as midterms) https://t.co/lYYQlJ8djx pic.twitter.com/jAyinPZ9Q5

— WPA Intelligence (@WPAIntel) August 23, 2023

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Don't worry, some poll no one ever heard of until recently (probably paid for by Trump) came out and has him +5 over Biden, and DeSantis at only 34% to Biden.

92% Democrats are saying they will vote for Biden. Not even 1 of 10 democrat loons posting on this board...lol, All 10 need a spanking.

Whoops, looks like Dan already posted the tweet.

Spot on

Trump gravitates to fringe figures despite efforts to limit their influence
Story by Isaac Arnsdorf, Josh Dawsey, Jacqueline Alemany

On Aug. 13, former president Donald Trump spent the day at his New Jersey golf club with former congressional candidate Laura Loomer, whose history of offensive and inflammatory comments led to her being banned by social media platforms and shunned by other Republicans.

Advisers and lawyers spent days last week talking him out of a news conference to tout a report compiling old and unsubstantiated allegations of election fraud in the 2020 election more than 100 pages prepared by staffer Liz Harrington, who was the former editor in chief of Stephen K. Bannon's "War Room" website.

The former president spends more time with another staffer, former One America News anchor Natalie Harp, than almost anyone else in his orbit and her omnipresence has at times annoyed many of his other aides, according to people close to Trump, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to reveal internal details.

And on occasion, Trump is again taking advice from figures such as Roger Stone and Dick Morris, a former top adviser to President Bill Clinton who was ousted over a prostitution scandal.

Only the Best People!

As a Republican, and two time Trump voter, I ask how you can rationalize supporting this man for another term. I understand the lesser of two evils argument between Trump and a Democrat in the general, but now, with other options? How can you look your constituents in the eye and… pic.twitter.com/p8g8822DNW

— Josh Power 🇺🇸 (@JoshPower80) August 23, 2023

Why is Mr. Trump suppressing Mr. Trump's message by not showing up to the debate? pic.twitter.com/nUQII06lFh

— Golden Phoenix (@Golden_Phoenix) August 23, 2023

Republicans can't afford a nominee like Donald Trump who is too weak to debate. pic.twitter.com/r9lH0yjmSQ

— Never Back Down (@NvrBackDown24) August 22, 2023

LMCane said:

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As a Republican, and two time Trump voter, I ask how you can rationalize supporting this man for another term. I understand the lesser of two evils argument between Trump and a Democrat in the general, but now, with other options? How can you look your constituents in the eye and… pic.twitter.com/p8g8822DNW

— Josh Power 🇺🇸 (@JoshPower80) August 23, 2023

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This is reason enough to look elsewhere. Let a fool speak…

LMCane said:

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As a Republican, and two time Trump voter, I ask how you can rationalize supporting this man for another term. I understand the lesser of two evils argument between Trump and a Democrat in the general, but now, with other options? How can you look your constituents in the eye and… pic.twitter.com/p8g8822DNW

— Josh Power 🇺🇸 (@JoshPower80) August 23, 2023

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Josh Powers' statement there is spot on... no lies detected.

So Trump is working with the MSM to bash DeSantis confirmed.

Oh.. huh pic.twitter.com/2MKaVpNMIz

— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) August 23, 2023

Further proof that Trump comes from the left... the memes aren't even funny.

aggie93 said:

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So Trump is working with the MSM to bash DeSantis confirmed.

Oh.. huh pic.twitter.com/2MKaVpNMIz

— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) August 23, 2023

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Seems like Trump should have made all of them free spaces, for all that DeSantis takes up in his head.

TRM said:

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Seems like it'll be a bloodbath.

Brutal poll for Trump.

☑️ Biden +6

☑️ Trump's margins among minorities are largely consistent w/ 2020-22 results, some improvements w/ Hispanics.

☑️ But he's losing ground with college-educated whites.

☑️ 5% of Republicans sit out 2024 w/ Trump as nominee (same as midterms) https://t.co/lYYQlJ8djx pic.twitter.com/jAyinPZ9Q5

— WPA Intelligence (@WPAIntel) August 23, 2023

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But but it's too early to look at polls /f16

Rapier108 said:

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Trump, his acolytes, and his followers have a mentality that would make 1st graders look like mature adults.

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Have you seen what deesantis supporters post on here ? Lol

Looks like Trump's Senior Aide at Mar A Lago (Walt Nauta) has now flipped to the Feds and will testify against Trump.

Also, that he has recanted his prior testimony to the grand jury when he defended Trump by lying.

Mar-a-Lago IT Director Flipped on Trump After Switching Lawyers, Prosecutors Say
Evidence behind charges leveled at former president last month emerges in motion raising concerns over lawyer paid by Trump's PAC
By Jan Wolfe

WASHINGTONA witness against Donald Trump in the Mar-a-Lago documents case recanted false testimony and provided new information implicating the former president after dropping a lawyer paid for by Trump's political-action committee, special counsel Jack Smith said on Tuesday night.

The allegations by Smith's office, outlined in a 12-page court filing, were meant to highlight the Justice Department's concerns over potential conflicts of interest arising from Trump's financing of lawyers for a number of co-defendants and potential witnesses.

Smith's office has sought a court hearing to determine whether defense lawyer Stanley Woodward can adequately represent Walt Nauta, a Trump valet also charged in the case, as well as unnamed potential witnesses. Smith's office first raised the concern to U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon earlier this month.

Tuesday's filing from the Justice Department was intended to highlight potential ethical problems raised by Woodward's concurrent representations. Trump's Save America political-action committee is paying Woodward's legal fees, the filing stated.

Wall Street Journal: Trump Aide Admits Lying to Protect Trump

LarryElder said:

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But but it's too early to look at polls /f16

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But but he doesn't need to debate because we know what we need to know about Trump

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LarryElder said:

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But but it's too early to look at polls /f16

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But but he doesn't need to debate because we know what we need to know about Trump

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Yup he lost to a guy with mashed potatoes for brains.

aggie93 said:

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So Trump is working with the MSM to bash DeSantis confirmed.

Oh.. huh pic.twitter.com/2MKaVpNMIz

— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) August 23, 2023

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Imagine the reaction from Trump supporters if DeSantis had his surrogates meet with MSM outlets to do something like this. You want to know how you get some DeSantis supporters to vote 3rd Party if he is the nominee? Don't come to the debate but have your surrogates do crap like this and then try preaching later how we all need to unify around your guy. For me I will suck it up and do so but many won't if you keep this up.