TRM said:

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Phatbob said:

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FireAg said:

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Here's the thing…A LOT of "DC Republicans" help perpetuate the leftist lies for personal gain…

And THAT is the swamp…leftists and their R-for-hire, right-leaning establishment types…

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That is what frustrates me about the Trump campaign. They are more than willing to go along with those tactics, even amplify them, when it is against one of their conservative opponents. That isn't what I would call "draining the swamp" in any way, that is participating in it. At least DeSantis will fight direct attacks against him without completely throwing another conservative under the bus.

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Trump doesn't want to drain the swamp...he just wants the swamp to work for/with him rather than against him.

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Stop worrying about what Trump will or won't do…

How will DeSantis make a difference? How can he drain it with the establishment fighting him every step of the way?

That's not a plan…that's rhetoric…

What will he do to make a diffidence? Something some of you don't appreciate is how badly the swamp doesn't want to be drained…on both sides…

And that's the biggest obstacle…

FireAg said:

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Here's the thing…A LOT of "DC Republicans" help perpetuate the leftist lies for personal gain…

And THAT is the swamp…leftists and their R-for-hire, right-leaning establishment types…

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Trump and co are actively perpetuating leftist lies for personal gain. What does that make them?

The Banned said:

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FireAg said:

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Here's the thing…A LOT of "DC Republicans" help perpetuate the leftist lies for personal gain…

And THAT is the swamp…leftists and their R-for-hire, right-leaning establishment types…

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Trump and co are actively perpetuating leftist lies for personal gain. What does that make them?

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Who cares?

What is DeSantis going to do about it?

Stop worrying about what Trump does or doesn't do…it's a poor argument…

Worry about what DeSantis can do…if anything…

One reason DeSantis can't break through the noise is because so many of y'all are more worried about what Trump does…

FireAg said:

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That's not a plan…that's rhetoric…

What will he do to make a diffidence? Something some of you don't appreciate is how badly the swamp doesn't want to be drained…on both sides…

And that's the biggest obstacle…

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Yeah, you just posed a vague rhetoric problem as a rebuttal to what you called rhetoric.

If you want to be specific, don't run yourself on marketing with lies. That is a simple step 1, go from there

Phatbob said:

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FireAg said:

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That's not a plan…that's rhetoric…

What will he do to make a diffidence? Something some of you don't appreciate is how badly the swamp doesn't want to be drained…on both sides…

And that's the biggest obstacle…

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Yeah, you just posed a vague rhetoric problem as a rebuttal to what you called rhetoric.

If you want to be specific, don't run yourself on marketing with lies. That is a simple step 1, go from there

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You don't want to discuss the true problem…got it…

The problem is bigger than Trump and DeSantis put together…

Failing to acknowledge that is one of the biggest obstacles…

FireAg said:

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That's not a plan…that's rhetoric…

What will he do to make a diffidence? Something some of you don't appreciate is how badly the swamp doesn't want to be drained…on both sides…

And that's the biggest obstacle…

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Uhmmm, no, actually bringing in people outside the swamp to run his administration is an actual physical action he plans on taking. Not hiring swamp creatures to be in his administration is an actual physical action he plans on taking.

Part of a plan.

FireAg said:

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The Banned said:

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FireAg said:

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Here's the thing…A LOT of "DC Republicans" help perpetuate the leftist lies for personal gain…

And THAT is the swamp…leftists and their R-for-hire, right-leaning establishment types…

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Trump and co are actively perpetuating leftist lies for personal gain. What does that make them?

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Who cares?

What is DeSantis going to do about it?

Stop worrying about what Trump does or doesn't do…it's a poor argument…

Worry about what DeSantis can do…if anything…

One reason DeSantis can't break through the noise is because so many of y'all are more worried about what Trump does…

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Dude, we have had so many posters tell us DeSantis isn't taking them away from Trump because he isn't Trumpy enough. You specifically have made that argument in a less than round about way. How do you convince someone to remove their nose from his oriface without mentioning the person to whomever that oriface belongs, so it's the only thing they see?

Maybe - based on what we've seen thus far in Florida - DeSantis understands the constitution and power of the pen enough to pull the correct levers. He understands who he can fire, which agencies he can move, which EOs he can utilize, and ultimately how to get congress behind him to pass meaningful legislation.

He's laid that out time and again.

Anyone still asking "how is he gonna do it" isn't paying attention

Umm no…that's not going to make a dent…either DeSantis will be absorbed into the DC culture or he will have an election stolen from him as well…by the establishment…by the swamp…

How do you really make a dent in it?

Well, it would require a convention of the states…but I don't see any candidate calling that out:

Congressional term limits

Line item vetoes and/or elimination of all discretionary spending from Omnibus bills…

Things like that are how you will actually make a dent in the swamp…but the swamp is so big, it's gonna take a real stud with real momentum to run on such things AND pull them off…

There are plenty of other hardline approaches that could be used…but not a single candidate is talking about the REAL ways you could drain the swamp…

Not Trump…not DeSantis…none of them…

We have literally pointed out mistakes that Trump has made that contributed to his own failures, and those mistakes come from properties unique to Trump. That means the opposite of "anyone would fail". It means that Trump is in the unique position to continue to fail in the same way

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Umm no…that's not going to make a dent…either DeSantis will be absorbed into the DC culture or he will have an election stolen from him as well…by the establishment…by the swamp…

How do you really make a dent in it?

Well, it would require a convention of the states…but I don't see any candidate calling that out:

Congressional term limits

Line item vetoes and/or elimination of all discretionary spending from Omnibus bills…

Things like that are how you will actually make a dent in the swamp…but the swamp is so big, it's gonna take a real stud with real momentum to run on such things AND pull them off…

There are plenty of other hardline approaches that could be used…but not a single candidate is talking about the REAL ways you could drain the swamp…

Not Trump…not DeSantis…none of them…

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What you're suggesting will never happen for a number of different reasons so what point are you even trying to make?

That NO MAN can actually drain the swamp…I don't care what he says…

Not even DeSantis…

Y'all continue your infighting about this man vs that man, when we should all be focused on actually making changes that will make a difference…

Everything else is wasted energy…

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TRM said:

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Phatbob said:

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FireAg said:

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Here's the thing…A LOT of "DC Republicans" help perpetuate the leftist lies for personal gain…

And THAT is the swamp…leftists and their R-for-hire, right-leaning establishment types…

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That is what frustrates me about the Trump campaign. They are more than willing to go along with those tactics, even amplify them, when it is against one of their conservative opponents. That isn't what I would call "draining the swamp" in any way, that is participating in it. At least DeSantis will fight direct attacks against him without completely throwing another conservative under the bus.

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Trump doesn't want to drain the swamp...he just wants the swamp to work for/with him rather than against him.

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Stop worrying about what Trump will or won't do…

How will DeSantis make a difference? How can he drain it with the establishment fighting him every step of the way?

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I literally just posted above this one of many times DeSantis has laid out specific plans about this. He plans to appoint thousands of people and have EO's and Legislation already written and ready to to. He has a brain trust of Massie, Roy and VDH working on this and have already been meeting for months. He's talked about this many times.

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FireAg said:

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Here's the thing…A LOT of "DC Republicans" help perpetuate the leftist lies for personal gain…

And THAT is the swamp…leftists and their R-for-hire, right-leaning establishment types…

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Trump and co are actively perpetuating leftist lies for personal gain. What does that make them?

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Sounds an awful lot like getting the swamp to work for Trump.

FireAg said:

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That NO MAN can actually drain the swamp…I don't care what he says…

Not even DeSantis…

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Cool. One person has already failed miserably at that and this thread is about him vs someone who has proven how to defeat the left in other areas vs just talking about it. So maybe start a new thread if you want to vaguely yell at clouds about the swamp.

Interesting exchange with Kelly here. She had her Disney "gotcha" ready to go. I think DeSantis probably handled this as well as he could have but she gave a completely false equivalency to a complex issue and even though he explained it she came up with an even more irrelevant false equivalency to argue. Unfortunately to folks who don't understand the broader legal issues this probably will think Kelly "got him".

The sexual harassment thing was especially WTF?

Megyn Kelly: “Why can’t Disney oppose your law… without being punished?”

Gov. DeSantis (R-FL): “We’re just simply removing a special benefit.”

Kelly: “If I go to my boss and I say, ‘You sexually harassed me,’ and… he reduces my salary from $200k to $100k, that’s retaliation.” pic.twitter.com/NFOC0bKuot

— The Recount (@therecount) July 28, 2023

Ugh…you just made my point…President's governing by EO's won't fix the problem…

Those are temporary, damn near worthless bandaids…

They aren't long lasting…as soon as they steal an election from DeSantis, the next man up cancels all of Ron's EO's and institutes their own…

That doesn't fix America…

That is the problem…

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Ugh…you just made my point…President's governing by EO's won't fix the problem…

Those are temporary, damn near worthless bandaids…

They aren't long lasting…as soon as they steal an election from DeSantis, the next man up cancels all of Ron's EO's and institutes their own…

That doesn't fix America…

That is the problem…

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If that was all he was doing I would agree with you but that is only one part of a multi faceted plan. The hardest part of course is Legislation but part of the plan is to make changes both with EO's, firing people, and replacing them with people you have already vetted and then working to codify those changes into law. It's exactly what he did in Florida, It took him years to get the Leg session he just did but he worked at it day after day to get there.

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FireAg said:

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That NO MAN can actually drain the swamp…I don't care what he says…

Not even DeSantis…

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Cool. One person has already failed miserably at that and this thread is about him vs someone who has proven how to defeat the left in other areas vs just talking about it. So maybe start a new thread if you want to vaguely yell at clouds about the swamp.

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It's called CM, Concerned MAGA.

This is at least the 5th or 6th time he's started this same discussion and it always goes the same way. No amount of information or answers is enough and results in these vague comebacks, wanting more information.

"If the election becomes a referendum on what document was left by the toilet in Mar-a-Lago, we are not going to win."

Florida Gov. DeSantis tells @rachelvscott what he thinks of the future of the Republican party amid former Pres. Trump's legal woes. https://t.co/wTJvtHSsuf pic.twitter.com/SjbzH5Th83

— ABC News (@ABC) July 28, 2023

Gov. @RonDeSantis outlines his disagreements with Trump:

"He attacked me for voting against an amnesty that he was proposing when he was president. I opposed the amnesty. He tried to do a two million person amnesty. He promised to eliminate the national debt when he ran for… pic.twitter.com/UnKYvLdqyc

— Never Back Down (@NvrBackDown24) July 28, 2023

That's pretty spot on.

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"If the election becomes a referendum on what document was left by the toilet in Mar-a-Lago, we are not going to win."

Florida Gov. DeSantis tells @rachelvscott what he thinks of the future of the Republican party amid former Pres. Trump's legal woes. https://t.co/wTJvtHSsuf pic.twitter.com/SjbzH5Th83

— ABC News (@ABC) July 28, 2023

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That is going to send some Trump folks into seizures on Twitter.

FireAg said:

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Y'all continue your infighting about this man vs that man, when we should all be focused on actually making changes that will make a difference…

Everything else is wasted energy…

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You say no one can drain the swamps, but then we also need to be focused on making changes in the next post. How does one reconcile these two points?

But he can't fire CONGRESS…that's one of the biggest issues…

aggie93 said:

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Interesting exchange with Kelly here. She had her Disney "gotcha" ready to go. I think DeSantis probably handled this as well as he could have but she gave a completely false equivalency to a complex issue and even though he explained it she came up with an even more irrelevant false equivalency to argue. Unfortunately to folks who don't understand the broader legal issues this probably will think Kelly "got him".

The sexual harassment thing was especially WTF?

Megyn Kelly: “Why can’t Disney oppose your law… without being punished?”

Gov. DeSantis (R-FL): “We’re just simply removing a special benefit.”

Kelly: “If I go to my boss and I say, ‘You sexually harassed me,’ and… he reduces my salary from $200k to $100k, that’s retaliation.” pic.twitter.com/NFOC0bKuot

— The Recount (@therecount) July 28, 2023

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Wow, what a intentionally deceitful and disengenious line of attack from Kelly, lol. She might as well be working for CNN or MSNBC with those lies and tactics and clear agenda.

But Desantis handled it well. Didn't stumble, stayed calm and polite, came right back at her pointing out her b.s. employer-employee argument.

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But he can't fire CONGRESS…that's one of the biggest issues…

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He should denigrate them on social media, refer to them as spineless, and chastise them... while running around with Lindsay Graham. Is that more what you have in mind?

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Wow, what a intentionally deceitful and disengenious line of attack from Kelly, lol. She might as well be working for CNN or MSNBC with those lies and tactics and clear agenda.

But Desantis handled it well. Didn't stumble, stayed calm and polite, came right back at her pointing out her b.s. employer-employee argument.

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Kelly needs to do her research. Reedy Creek was not the only special improvement district affected by the change in legislation, first off.

Secondly, Disney openly committed a crime regarding bond issuances from that Reedy Creek improvement district.

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But he can't fire CONGRESS…that's one of the biggest issues…

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Correct. We don't live in a dictatorship and he has to work within our system just like everyone else. Again, what's your point?

Correct…and thus you can't ever truly drain the swamp in a sustainable way…not even Jesus Christ could…

We need to amend the constitution to truly drain the swamp…there is quite literally no other way other than armed conflict…