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I agree with everything you said except for one key point...

I disagree that Rs need to "adapt to the rules" being different for them than they are for Ds...

I think trying to constantly adapt to different rules is precisely what got us into this mess...

I think Rs need to find a way to rewrite the rules and fight fire with fire...Rs need to fight back against the Left...not find ways to coddle them...

And in that sense, I applaud the things that RD is saying on the campaign trail as we speak...I just think he is struggling to reach the audience at large he needs to reach...

I hope it improves...

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You have to work within the system to a point to change it, for instance the media is overwhelmingly liberal as is the bureaucracy. You have to beat them at their own game to an extent and THEN you can change the rules. Otherwise you will just lose because they will keep you tied up with controversies or red tape.

We didn't get in this mess overnight and we aren't getting out of it by snapping our fingers.

BTW, your main criticism of DeSantis seems to be he isn't getting a "splash" in the media which is because he is trying a different approach and not giving the MSM oxygen the way Trump does.

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They aren't grabbing headlines, man...

THAT'S my point...

And several of his followers on TA (yes, small "n", I get it) would rather tear into folks they should be building bridges with than ripping each other new *******s...

Yes, there are millions of folks out there still butthurt about 2020, and for good reason, and they are butthurt that tax dollars are still being spent to literally fabricate crimes about the guy the liked (and it was being done before, during, and after his time in office)... And of those folks, there are millions of them who don't "Twitter" (hell, I don't Twitter...I just read what gets posted here)...

I will say it one more time for the reading comprehension ******s out there...I think Ron DeSantis is an excellent candidate...I truly do...

I currently have concerns that he is not generating the buzz that I think he should be generating on a national scale... He's a younger, proven politician with many Trump-esque ideas, and he is far less abrasive...

I just feel like he should be garnering more ink than he does at this point, and I have concerns about that...

Most people who still gravitate toward Trump aren't the inbred, mouth-breathing sycophants that some of y'all dismiss them as...

They are good, well-educated, intelligent, hard-working Americans that need to be understood and embraced...not **** on and dismissed...

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Basically, we have so many simple minded cult-like dullards we are probably doomed. Pales in comparison to the dumbassery of the left obviously, but my fear is that we just have too many simple minded meatheads who just began getting engaged in politics because Trump came across as a relatable simple minded meathead too.

I have a friend like this. Great solid working class dude who is borderline illiterate. The other day he spelled immigrant as "imagrant". He very well may have never voted in his life until Trump entered the picture and he liked how much sh** he talked and how few f***s he had to give. He's a hardcore "Trump and only Trumper" and probably believes every single one of Trump's nasty bald faced lies about Desantis. He was never politically engaged or outwardly opinionated until Trump.

I fear there are millions, maybe tens of millions like him...and it's going to ensure someone like Gavin Newsom wins the presidency and we continue to drift hard left as a nation.

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The Right thought they had stumbled into a way to break the establishment when Trump came along. The Left was so arrogant after Obama that in their hubris they dismissed him.

But then he won.

The Right celebrated. But the Left realized they had accidentally stumbled into a controlled opposition scenario with Trump. They realized they don't have to control him directly just control what happens to him and by proxy they can control his base voting bloc. By controlling his bloc they control enough of their opposition to assure it doesn't coalesce and defeat them.

Its a political/power struggle story as old as time.

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Could very well be true...

So to resolve that, we should call people whose vote is needed to boost DeSantis "cult-like dullards" and "meatheads"? That's how we are going to change the inertia?

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I agree in spirit, but then you default to saying Trump is still okay in your view. He and his die-hards are some of the worst offenders. The hard part is when we finally have to admit that we have been part of the problem and make a change. I've been there.

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I agree with everything you said except for one key point...

I disagree that Rs need to "adapt to the rules" being different for them than they are for Ds...

I think trying to constantly adapt to different rules is precisely what got us into this mess...

I think Rs need to find a way to rewrite the rules and fight fire with fire...Rs need to fight back against the Left...not find ways to coddle them...

And in that sense, I applaud the things that RD is saying on the campaign trail as we speak...I just think he is struggling to reach the audience at large he needs to reach...

I hope it improves...

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You have to work within the system to a point to change it, for instance the media is overwhelmingly liberal as is the bureaucracy. You have to beat them at their own game to an extent and THEN you can change the rules. Otherwise you will just lose because they will keep you tied up with controversies or red tape.

We didn't get in this mess overnight and we aren't getting out of it by snapping our fingers.

BTW, your main criticism of DeSantis seems to be he isn't getting a "splash" in the media which is because he is trying a different approach and not giving the MSM oxygen the way Trump does.

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Also, I truly believe the left is dying for him to be the nominee. They know that Gavin Newsom, or whoever it may be, would destroy him. They try to constantly keep him in the news and front and center on purpose. And if they can make him a martyr, all the better.

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They aren't grabbing headlines, man...

THAT'S my point...

And several of his followers on TA (yes, small "n", I get it) would rather tear into folks they should be building bridges with than ripping each other new *******s...

Yes, there are millions of folks out there still butthurt about 2020, and for good reason, and they are butthurt that tax dollars are still being spent to literally fabricate crimes about the guy the liked (and it was being done before, during, and after his time in office)... And of those folks, there are millions of them who don't "Twitter" (hell, I don't Twitter...I just read what gets posted here)...

I will say it one more time for the reading comprehension ******s out there...I think Ron DeSantis is an excellent candidate...I truly do...

I currently have concerns that he is not generating the buzz that I think he should be generating on a national scale... He's a younger, proven politician with many Trump-esque ideas, and he is far less abrasive...

I just feel like he should be garnering more ink than he does at this point, and I have concerns about that...

Most people who still gravitate toward Trump aren't the inbred, mouth-breathing sycophants that some of y'all dismiss them as...

They are good, well-educated, intelligent, hard-working Americans that need to be understood and embraced...not **** on and dismissed...

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Basically, we have so many simple minded cult-like dullards we are probably doomed. Pales in comparison to the dumbassery of the left obviously, but my fear is that we just have too many simple minded meatheads who just began getting engaged in politics because Trump came across as a relatable simple minded meathead too.

I have a friend like this. Great solid working class dude who is borderline illiterate. The other day he spelled immigrant as "imagrant". He very well may have never voted in his life until Trump entered the picture and he liked how much sh** he talked and how few f***s he had to give. He's a hardcore "Trump and only Trumper" and probably believes every single one of Trump's nasty bald faced lies about Desantis. He was never politically engaged or outwardly opinionated until Trump.

I fear there are millions, maybe tens of millions like him...and it's going to ensure someone like Gavin Newsom wins the presidency and we continue to drift hard left as a nation.

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The Right thought they had stumbled into a way to break the establishment when Trump came along. The Left was so arrogant after Obama that in their hubris they dismissed him.

But then he won.

The Right celebrated. But the Left realized they had accidentally stumbled into a controlled opposition scenario with Trump. They realized they don't have to control him directly just control what happens to him and by proxy they can control his base voting bloc. By controlling his bloc they control enough of their opposition to assure it doesn't coalesce and defeat them.

Its a political/power struggle story as old as time.

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Could very well be true...

So to resolve that, we should call people whose vote is needed to boost DeSantis "cult-like dullards" and "meatheads"? That's how we are going to change the inertia?

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I agree in spirit, but then you default to saying Trump is still okay in your view. He and his die-hards are some of the worst offenders. The hard part is when we finally have to admit that we have been part of the problem and make a change. I've been there.

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Trump gets a pass for being a lying idiot meathead and attacking Desantis from the left, because that's who he is. But if you're critical of that, you need to be a bigger person and just accept it...even though none of us have any influence whatsoever and Trump has TONS of influence. It's so silly.

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They aren't grabbing headlines, man...

THAT'S my point...

And several of his followers on TA (yes, small "n", I get it) would rather tear into folks they should be building bridges with than ripping each other new *******s...

Yes, there are millions of folks out there still butthurt about 2020, and for good reason, and they are butthurt that tax dollars are still being spent to literally fabricate crimes about the guy the liked (and it was being done before, during, and after his time in office)... And of those folks, there are millions of them who don't "Twitter" (hell, I don't Twitter...I just read what gets posted here)...

I will say it one more time for the reading comprehension ******s out there...I think Ron DeSantis is an excellent candidate...I truly do...

I currently have concerns that he is not generating the buzz that I think he should be generating on a national scale... He's a younger, proven politician with many Trump-esque ideas, and he is far less abrasive...

I just feel like he should be garnering more ink than he does at this point, and I have concerns about that...

Most people who still gravitate toward Trump aren't the inbred, mouth-breathing sycophants that some of y'all dismiss them as...

They are good, well-educated, intelligent, hard-working Americans that need to be understood and embraced...not **** on and dismissed...

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Basically, we have so many simple minded cult-like dullards we are probably doomed. Pales in comparison to the dumbassery of the left obviously, but my fear is that we just have too many simple minded meatheads who just began getting engaged in politics because Trump came across as a relatable simple minded meathead too.

I have a friend like this. Great solid working class dude who is borderline illiterate. The other day he spelled immigrant as "imagrant". He very well may have never voted in his life until Trump entered the picture and he liked how much sh** he talked and how few f***s he had to give. He's a hardcore "Trump and only Trumper" and probably believes every single one of Trump's nasty bald faced lies about Desantis. He was never politically engaged or outwardly opinionated until Trump.

I fear there are millions, maybe tens of millions like him...and it's going to ensure someone like Gavin Newsom wins the presidency and we continue to drift hard left as a nation.

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The Right thought they had stumbled into a way to break the establishment when Trump came along. The Left was so arrogant after Obama that in their hubris they dismissed him.

But then he won.

The Right celebrated. But the Left realized they had accidentally stumbled into a controlled opposition scenario with Trump. They realized they don't have to control him directly just control what happens to him and by proxy they can control his base voting bloc. By controlling his bloc they control enough of their opposition to assure it doesn't coalesce and defeat them.

Its a political/power struggle story as old as time.

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Could very well be true...

So to resolve that, we should call people whose vote is needed to boost DeSantis "cult-like dullards" and "meatheads"? That's how we are going to change the inertia?

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I agree in spirit, but then you default to saying Trump is still okay in your view. He and his die-hards are some of the worst offenders. The hard part is when we finally have to admit that we have been part of the problem and make a change. I've been there.

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Compared to anything on the Left, he is okay...

Is someone better? Perhaps...but you won't get folks to agree with you en masse by collectively calling them "meatheads" just because they refuse to demonize him the way others do...

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Compared to anything on the Left, he is okay...

Is someone better? Perhaps...but you won't get folks to agree with you en masse by collectively calling them "meatheads" just because they refuse to demonize him the way others do...

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Most of what people are against, anywhere on the political spectrum, are people being a-holes. Look at any politics board and a vast majority of the posts that get reactions are of people being a-holes. "Look at those (insert name of the "other" group here), they sure are a-holes". It gives us an emotional shot that makes us react, and we love it, we get addicted to it. It makes us feel superior and feel justified in our emotional attachment to our beliefs. Is calling the supporters of a candidate names part of that problem? Absolutely. Is pointing out that the candidate themselves is an a-hole by any standard "demonizing" him, or is it pointing out that he is a huge part of the problem?

Forget the positive things he has done (a lot of which has been undone because of the way he went about doing them) and just look at his methods. If he were a Democrat we would have a field day with him, and rightfully so. But because he is "our" a-hole, we think it is ok and we'll support him in his a-holeness.

The reaction he gets from the left and the "establishment" (I hate using that, because it is lazy, but whatever), is largely in part because he elicits that emotional response from them. He makes them feel justified because he IS that level of a-hole. Him being better than their a-holes doesn't matter, because at that point, it is entirely emotionally driven. So NO, Trump is not the best person to fight the system. In fact, he might be the worst.

I agree with you...except that the Left gets to be *******s and get away with it, and no one is putting a stop to it...no one is standing up to it...

Examples...

If you don't vote for Obama, it's because you are a racist...

If you don't support pre-pubescent, trans-inspired, genital mutilations or drag queen story hour, you are a bigot...

If BLM folks torch a town, I'm a racist for calling it a crime...

I'm a bigot and a racist merely because I am a male and have white skin, and I should apologize for my "white-privilege" and support reparations and CRT curriculums...

These are things the Left always hurls at folks on the Right, and the folks on the Right are supposed to just accept it...

The Left is very good at pushing agendas that lead to cultural legislation which mandates that I have to agree with and accept the way they want the world to be, even in the face of my own morals and principles...but no one on the Right ever has the balls to fight back...

Trump, for better or worse (and we can pick apart the subject matter for which he did), had the balls to shout down the Left...and it got him elected... Now he was extreme (and has become even more extreme), but simply standing up to the Left endeared him to a great number of people... Is it emotional? Yup...without question...but right now, this country is very much embroiled in a culture war, and his approach from the Right was refreshing...

Is it the only way to approach it? Probably not, and certainly not to the extremes for which he has taken it, but it did finally show that the Right wasn't just going to continue to be steamrolled by Leftist, globalist agendas (though now, we certainly seem to be getting steamrolled again...and SCOTUS is about the only firewall we have left)...

DeSantis appears to be capable of being the "new and improved" Trump...which is a good thing...but he has to reach and convince the Trump Voting Bloc that he is just that...

Trump continuing to attack Desantis from the left...basically cheering on and emulating the far left. His faithful and devoted followers are too "simple" to understand this. Some of the ones with above-80 IQ's have got to at least be kind of confused, right?

JUST NOW: Donald Trump sides with far-left MSNBC activist, vaccine mandate advocate and lockdown lobbyist, Mehdi Hasan, against @RonDeSantis. pic.twitter.com/yP6Kmm0Ut2

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) June 29, 2023

Candice Owens officially crazy. Why do they have to LIE about everything?

I’d still support him as Governor.

What’s become clear to me is he resents not just Trump— but more problematically, his supporters. I think he’s honestly disgusted by Trump supporters.

He and his team are grossed out by small town-people. That’s the vibe I catch. https://t.co/VG2MFBoJYK

— Candace Owens (@RealCandaceO) June 29, 2023

DeSantis is grossed out by small town people. What a joke!

"Trump is gonna be who he is and should be celebrated for it while RDS voters need to extend an olive branch because RDS needs those voters"... is that about it?

"You're the problem if you don't rise above the fray" / Trump voters

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It's basically a religion at this point...disgusting.

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The left intentionally made him a martyr...it was brilliant. That is how you can almost ensure ungodly idols are created.

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Trump continuing to attack Desantis from the left...basically cheering on and emulating the far left. His faithful and devoted followers are too "simple" to understand this. Some of the ones with above-80 IQ's have got to at least be kind of confused, right?

JUST NOW: Donald Trump sides with far-left MSNBC activist, vaccine mandate advocate and lockdown lobbyist, Mehdi Hasan, against @RonDeSantis. pic.twitter.com/yP6Kmm0Ut2

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) June 29, 2023

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There's a reason Trump won't come back to Twitter and post stuff like that- he'd get wrecked in the comments, ratio'd, and Community Noted nonstop.

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The qualifications and vision in regards to DeSantis is not his issue. He is very much qualified and worthy of all our votes. His problem right now is timing. The core of the Republican Party is pissed off over what's happened to Trump (read us) and wants the "outsider" DJT to tear a new ******* into the Democrats. We are tired of swamp, RINO, aisle crossing limp dicked politicians not doing their jobs. Agree or disagree on what Trump did, but you can't deny he got things done (at least before getting neutered). The thought of a pissed off, 2nd term Trump is exciting in regards to policy, and orgasmic in regards to politics. He brings out the worst in the left, which given how criminal they've acted, I want them shamed and prosecuted for that. And honestly, if it's DeSantis or Trump we all win. But at this point and time my dream scenario is 4 more with Trump, then 8 more with DeSantis.

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why is it that Trumpers can only think about two scenarios:

1. we put Trump back in to destroy everyone and everything
2. we put DeSantis in and maybe he doesn't destroy everyone and everything

how about scenario 3:

3. we nominate our weaker general election candiate Trump; Biden is elected or Newsome is elected; and we have FIVE MORE YEARS of this leftist destruction of the country.

I wonder why Trumpers never discuss scenario 3?

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Or how about number 4?

The liberal MSM (The NBC poll you reference) is continuing its onslaught of Trump because the left fears what he knows and his tenacity to hold them accountable. Why don't you talk about that? You're following everything that supports your TDS. But please continue your preaching. If you haven't learned to distrust the media, where have you been?

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Ah, there goes noted conservative warrior trump holding the MSM and left accountable by…*checks notes* parroting MSNBC talking points.

JUST NOW: Donald Trump sides with far-left MSNBC activist, vaccine mandate advocate and lockdown lobbyist, Mehdi Hasan, against @RonDeSantis. pic.twitter.com/yP6Kmm0Ut2

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) June 29, 2023

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I support your message FireAg. I think we all need to come together. I only wished you held political candidates to the same standards you hold other Texags posters. If everyone would do that, the US would be a much better place.

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How would I ever hold a political candidate to a certain standard? Trump is who he is...I can't change that...

But we can all sit here and rail on that, or we can ignore it and work around it...

See...Trump wins when you engage the hyperbole...

RD has done a solid job of avoiding that trap...some of his supporters? Not so much...the R infighting amongst the masses is what will sink us in 2024...olive branches in the quest for common ground (as RD himself is attempting to do) should be the strategy amongst the R electorate...

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Except you can help change that, by supporting the only actual conservative candidate in the primary instead of this weird fence sitting/semi defending the few remaining always trumpers who, by definition, are not acting logically. The way to eliminate trump's unserious garbage from the party is to vote him out and to call out the grandstanding, lying bs from him when it happens. Thankfully most of this board has come around and knows that trump is a sideshow clown and a terrible person to try and lead the party moving forward, we just have to hope enough primary voters will see it too.

And the mistake YOU make is assuming I won't support DeSantis in the primary…

But I'm not the one DeSantis needs to convince…

That's my point…

Trump needs DeSantis voters too... he might consider that when he "hits down" at him.

Of course his liberal habits won't help either.

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And the mistake YOU make is assuming I won't support DeSantis in the primary…

But I'm not the one DeSantis needs to convince…

That's my point…

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Look at the tweet posted above that Candace Owens made. Trump, the NYC billionaire business man who inherited $200MM and has run through countless women loves and relates to the common small town man. But Desantis, the guy who grew up in a small town, the son of a working class cable guy and devoted family-man, is disgusted by small town people...because...ummm...she says so.

If relatively smart people like this are so "dug in". I just don't see how you can combat that level of stupidity and delusion. How can Desantis possibly win her over when she's so deluded into just making sh** up, almost like a psycho?

It gets to a point where it's just too much of an uphill climb to win people over because they are simply too stupid or religiously devoted. Can't blame Desantis or his team for that.

So then you are arguing that the battle is already lost, so now it's a fight to ensure mutually assured destruction in the R primary?

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And the mistake YOU make is assuming I won't support DeSantis in the primary…

But I'm not the one DeSantis needs to convince…

That's my point…

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If a prospective R voter (assumedly, a conservative) even does marginal research into Trump and Desantis and can't discern the actual conservative and always-winning candidate, they probably can't spell "vote" and have a brain as smooth as glass.

Desantis is doing everything right by simply stating his policies and having a SOLID record to fall back on.

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So then you are arguing that the battle is already lost, so now it's a fight to ensure mutually assured destruction in the R primary?

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I have a bad feeling the stupidity and delusion of so many Trump cultists is too steep of a mountain to climb, but I hope Desantis somehow proves me wrong.

And I have almost zero doubt Trump would run third party if Desantis got the nod and it comes to that point. He would take pride and would feel an ego boost sabotaging an election like that. He's just a lying, self-worshiping POS.

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And the mistake YOU make is assuming I won't support DeSantis in the primary…

But I'm not the one DeSantis needs to convince…

That's my point…

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Look at the tweet posted above that Candace Owens made. Trump, the NYC billionaire business man who inherited $200MM and has run through countless women loves and relates to the common small town man. But Desantis, the guy who grew up in a small town, the son of a working class cable guy and devoted family-man, is disgusted by small town people...because...ummm...she says so.

If relatively smart people like this are so "dug in". I just don't see how you can combat that level of stupidity and delusion. How can Desantis possibly win her over when she's so deluded into just making sh** up, almost like a psycho?

It gets to a point where it's just too much of an uphill climb to win people over because they are simply too stupid or religiously devoted. Can't blame Desantis or his team for that.

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If you really read what she is saying she isn't talking about DeSantis, she is holding him accountable for his influencers that she doesn't like. It's an insane double standard of course, it's not like she is going to say that Laura Loomer or Alex B are honest and wonderful people. Personally I think it is because she is still miffed at Daily Wire but is stuck in her contract and most of the DW folks are DeSantis folks. Why? All of her complaints are personal and feelings based with little to no specifics and not actually with DeSantis himself.

The only positive there is folks like that will swing from one side to the other because emotion is driving them. They are caught up in the moment instead of looking at the big picture and get inspired or disgusted by small things that they take to the extreme. That makes them entertaining but also so you need to keep them in context.

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And the mistake YOU make is assuming I won't support DeSantis in the primary…

But I'm not the one DeSantis needs to convince…

That's my point…

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Look at the tweet posted above that Candace Owens made. Trump, the NYC billionaire business man who inherited $200MM and has run through countless women loves and relates to the common small town man. But Desantis, the guy who grew up in a small town, the son of a working class cable guy and devoted family-man, is disgusted by small town people...because...ummm...she says so.

If relatively smart people like this are so "dug in". I just don't see how you can combat that level of stupidity and delusion. How can Desantis possibly win her over when she's so deluded into just making sh** up, almost like a psycho?

It gets to a point where it's just too much of an uphill climb to win people over because they are simply too stupid or religiously devoted. Can't blame Desantis or his team for that.

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If you really read what she is saying she isn't talking about DeSantis, she is holding him accountable for his influencers that she doesn't like. It's an insane double standard of course, it's not like she is going to say that Laura Loomer or Alex B are honest and wonderful people. Personally I think it is because she is still miffed at Daily Wire but is stuck in her contract and most of the DW folks are DeSantis folks. Why? All of her complaints are personal and feelings based with little to no specifics and not actually with DeSantis himself.

The only positive there is folks like that will swing from one side to the other because emotion is driving them. They are caught up in the moment instead of looking at the big picture and get inspired or disgusted by small things that they take to the extreme. That makes them entertaining but also so you need to keep them in context.

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I'd still support him as Governor.

What's become clear to me is he resents not just Trump but more problematically, his supporters. I think he's honestly disgusted by Trump supporters.

He and his team are grossed out by small town-people. That's the vibe I catch.

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So then you are arguing that the battle is already lost, so now it's a fight to ensure mutually assured destruction in the R primary?

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I have a bad feeling the stupidity and delusion of so many Trump cultists is too steep of a mountain to climb, but I hope Desantis somehow proves me wrong.

And I have almost zero doubt Trump would run third party if Desantis got the nod and it comes to that point. He would take pride and would feel an ego boost sabotaging an election like that. He's just a lying, self-worshiping POS.

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Cult45 is going to ride the Trump train right to the end, and take this nation with it. They will give the Democrats total and forever control of the US because they'd rather lose with Trump than win with DeSantis (or anyone else).

They live in a reality of constant contradiction.

Trump is winning all the primary polls.
The polls showing Trump losing the general are rigged.

Trump will win the general, but if he loses, it will be stolen.
DeSantis will lose the general because he's horrible, or, no one can win because of cheating, so lets just ride with Trump because he's Trump.

Trump will get 90% of the "rural vote" and 50% of the black of Hispanic vote and thus will win.
When it is shown that this will not be enough votes, they'll fall back on "because it will be stolen."

Trump has never done anything wrong.
But if Trump did something wrong, he is only in trouble for it because of politics.

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Poll says no one knows anything about DeSantis
Poll says everyone hates DeSantis

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I have a bad feeling the stupidity and delusion of so many Trump cultists is too steep of a mountain to climb, but I hope Desantis somehow proves me wrong.

And I have almost zero doubt Trump would run third party if Desantis got the nod and it comes to that point. He would take pride and would feel an ego boost sabotaging an election like that. He's just a lying, self-worshiping POS.

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And my argument is...this is more reason for DeSantis supporters to be trying to build bridges with Trump supporters instead of calling them meatheads and cultists...

Are there some vocal meatheads? Sure... Does lumping in any and everyone who thinks something positive about Trump and/or thinks that 2020 was rigged into the "cultist, meathead" category before even hearing them out help sway those who aren't on the extreme fringe of the the Trump Voting Bloc? My argument is...nope...

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I have a bad feeling the stupidity and delusion of so many Trump cultists is too steep of a mountain to climb, but I hope Desantis somehow proves me wrong.

And I have almost zero doubt Trump would run third party if Desantis got the nod and it comes to that point. He would take pride and would feel an ego boost sabotaging an election like that. He's just a lying, self-worshiping POS.

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And my argument is...this is more reason for DeSantis supporters to be trying to build bridges with Trump supporters instead of calling them meatheads and cultists...

Are there some vocal meatheads? Sure... Does lumping in any and everyone who thinks something positive about Trump and/or thinks that 2020 was rigged into the "cultist, meathead" category before even hearing them out help sway those who aren't on the extreme fringe of the the Trump Voting Bloc? My argument is...nope...

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Right, but I think the point people are trying to make is that you are assuming those people can be reasoned with with zero evidence to support that. They are continuing to support someone who 1. Can't win and 2. Is not a conservative in the first place. So we have a lot more anger than you apparently do that there are still people out there who are so blinded by a liberal egomaniac conman that they can't see the infinitely better option staring them in the face.

You think conservatives can reach them with nice words, but they have proven to not operate with logic, so maybe calling them out is the only tactic left. Which, by the way, is exactly the way their cult leader would also handle it.

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So then you are arguing that the battle is already lost, so now it's a fight to ensure mutually assured destruction in the R primary?

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I have a bad feeling the stupidity and delusion of so many Trump cultists is too steep of a mountain to climb, but I hope Desantis somehow proves me wrong.

And I have almost zero doubt Trump would run third party if Desantis got the nod and it comes to that point. He would take pride and would feel an ego boost sabotaging an election like that. He's just a lying, self-worshiping POS.

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And my argument is...this is more reason for DeSantis supporters to be trying to build bridges with Trump supporters instead of calling them meatheads and cultists...

Are there some vocal meatheads? Sure... Does lumping in any and everyone who thinks something positive about Trump and/or thinks that 2020 was rigged into the "cultist, meathead" category before even hearing them out help sway those who aren't on the extreme fringe of the the Trump Voting Bloc? My argument is...nope...

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Honestly, I am not worried about offending the true believers. They will never move and they will die on Hill Trump. They and the Bernie voters can have at it. They will not keep me from pointing out why they are hurting their own cause or the cause of the country, though, because there are still some people that can be pulled out of the cult. I know people who have come out of actual cults and they can be some of the most stringent critics of personality driven movements because they know the dangers. Those will be the best fighters for conservatism, not just a man, because they know the difference.

DeSantis is literally a small town person. One “complaint” of politicians in Tallahassee is Ron preferred going to Friday night high school football games with his family than go to cocktail parties. This is pure cope https://t.co/yHrI8VlifE

— Just Mindy 🐊 (@just_mindy) June 29, 2023

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So then you are arguing that the battle is already lost, so now it's a fight to ensure mutually assured destruction in the R primary?

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I have a bad feeling the stupidity and delusion of so many Trump cultists is too steep of a mountain to climb, but I hope Desantis somehow proves me wrong.

And I have almost zero doubt Trump would run third party if Desantis got the nod and it comes to that point. He would take pride and would feel an ego boost sabotaging an election like that. He's just a lying, self-worshiping POS.

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And my argument is...this is more reason for DeSantis supporters to be trying to build bridges with Trump supporters instead of calling them meatheads and cultists...

Are there some vocal meatheads? Sure... Does lumping in any and everyone who thinks something positive about Trump and/or thinks that 2020 was rigged into the "cultist, meathead" category before even hearing them out help sway those who aren't on the extreme fringe of the the Trump Voting Bloc? My argument is...nope...

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Sure. If you are looking to a message board or Twitter for people to be polite though you are going to be disappointed. I try very hard to be respectful and avoid names but you also have Trump folks like SD on there replying to everything with a laugh/cry emoji doing all they can to invoke an angry response. If you expect for every DeSantis supporter to leave that bait sitting there or else going "Oh, look. If ONLY the DeSantis supporters were nice then the Trump folks might come over." Of course completely ignoring anything Trump does or says or his influencers or supporters. Only DeSantis supporters must be nice.

OI understand your logic but i also know your standard is impossible. Same as the "DeSantis isn't getting headlines" stuff. DeSantis and his folks need to run their race and let the chips fall, you can't win over Trump folks by kissing their ass and turning the other cheek. I do think the personal stuff is unproductive but that's inevitable on a message board.

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And the mistake YOU make is assuming I won't support DeSantis in the primary…

But I'm not the one DeSantis needs to convince…

That's my point…

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Look at the tweet posted above that Candace Owens made. Trump, the NYC billionaire business man who inherited $200MM and has run through countless women loves and relates to the common small town man. But Desantis, the guy who grew up in a small town, the son of a working class cable guy and devoted family-man, is disgusted by small town people...because...ummm...she says so.

If relatively smart people like this are so "dug in". I just don't see how you can combat that level of stupidity and delusion. How can Desantis possibly win her over when she's so deluded into just making sh** up, almost like a psycho?

It gets to a point where it's just too much of an uphill climb to win people over because they are simply too stupid or religiously devoted. Can't blame Desantis or his team for that.

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If you really read what she is saying she isn't talking about DeSantis, she is holding him accountable for his influencers that she doesn't like. It's an insane double standard of course, it's not like she is going to say that Laura Loomer or Alex B are honest and wonderful people. Personally I think it is because she is still miffed at Daily Wire but is stuck in her contract and most of the DW folks are DeSantis folks. Why? All of her complaints are personal and feelings based with little to no specifics and not actually with DeSantis himself.

The only positive there is folks like that will swing from one side to the other because emotion is driving them. They are caught up in the moment instead of looking at the big picture and get inspired or disgusted by small things that they take to the extreme. That makes them entertaining but also so you need to keep them in context.

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Dude, are we reading the same tweet????

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I'd still support him as Governor.

What's become clear to me is he resents not just Trump but more problematically, his supporters. I think he's honestly disgusted by Trump supporters.

He and his team are grossed out by small town-people. That's the vibe I catch.

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I read it and I listen to her often as context. She is projecting what influencers say onto DeSantis is my point. She is upset with the influencers and that makes her project that on to him. Notice the lack of specifics she gives outside of "his launch was terrible" or nonsense like that.

Becoming more and more clear to me that Candace is ambitious, cunning, brave, bold etc etc...but just not very intelligent. She is more fueled by emotion than logic and intellect.

She makes a lot of great, intelligent points from time to time, but now I am wondering how much of that was actually her original thought? That is how stupid her tweet up above is. Has me second guessing her entire body of work.

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DeSantis is literally a small town person. One “complaint” of politicians in Tallahassee is Ron preferred going to Friday night high school football games with his family than go to cocktail parties. This is pure cope https://t.co/yHrI8VlifE

— Just Mindy 🐊 (@just_mindy) June 29, 2023

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Might I politely ask what Candace or Trump know about small towns? Sure, Trump recognized that we need jobs back in the states, but in terms of either of them fitting in to a true small town… not a chance in my opinion.