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How are we supposed to do that, when Trump actually has a lot of liberal tendencies? If you attack the left, some of that will rub off on him. It doesn't do any good to not call a spade a spade. We are past the line in our country where we can just avoid the real issues so we can play team keepaway.

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And see, part of what I think continues to keep Trump relevant is that people continue to attack him rather than just put him on ignore...

He has made a political career out of "there's no such thing as 'bad' press"...

Every time someone acknowledges and responds to Trump...he wins...

And I think that is part of what has kept DeSantis, at least to date, from gaining any real tangible traction so far...

A country - any country, let alone the greatest nation to ever exist - that runs geriatrics, like Trump or Biden, for the most powerful position on planet earth is destined to fail... no matter who wins. If they are the nominees, the electorate deserves the fate that awaits.

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You know what, I'll give you this one, you're right, the modification wasn't what was passed by voters. I was reading too fast and thought you were referring to the original amendment.

You got me. That mean ol' Desantis is picking on minor league ball players and Border Patrol agents.

Oh, wait...

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Bill sponsor Brad Yeager, R-New Port Richey, reasoned that without the change, teams could limit access to training facilities or pull players from games workplace protections that ensure they don't exceed weekly work-hour limits, according to NPR.

"These players need that visibility. They need that opportunity to play and practice to make it to the next level," Yeager said.

Republican Senator Jonathan Martin, who sponsored the bill, said that minor league players are provided with housing, transportation and breakfast.

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Oh, and....

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SB 892's passage means that Florida remains in line with a federal exemption to the minimum wage that was approved by Congress when it renewed the the Fair Labor Standards Act in 2018....

At the time, Major League Baseball (MLB) was granted an exemption from the federal minimum wage when it came to playing minor league players.

The federal act includes several minimum-wage exemptions, such as for baseball players, casual babysitters, some seasonal amusement workers, and border patrol agents.

The act was signed into law by then President Donald Trump, who is currently seen as the frontrunner for the GOP's 2024 presidential nomination and has repeatedly criticized DeSantis.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ron-desantis-signs-bill-to-stop-florida-baseball-players-making-minimum-wage/ar-AA1ctT9K

https://www.tampafp.com/minor-league-baseball-wage-bill-teed-up-florida/

Notice that part about your boy Trump signing the Federal version of this act which includes exemptions for ball players and Border Patrol agents.

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Here is SD getting clowned last time he tried to lie about this topic on the very same thread.

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FireAg said:

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I disagree just based on intuition.

The media only talk about Trump, so it's all the base hears. Every Democrat I talk to talks only about Trump. Low info republican voters naturally think trump's the only candidate. When we get to the primaries DeSantis is going to shine. Head-to-head, he beats Trump on Trump's own platform. And he can articulate that fact very well.

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I guess we will see...

I'm not convinced that he does, and I do worry that on a national scale, Trump may not be able to get over the hump (even without the D's cheating this time)...

The most important thing Rs need to do is rally behind the best guy...but if he can't get the momentum to propel him within the R electorate to the top, then it's a moot point...

Which brings me back to my original point...DeSantis folks would be wise to avoid arguing with the Trump fringe and painting everyone who thinks positively about at least something Trump as some whack-job cultist...

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I'm not sure, that is going to happen.

1. Many of Trump supporters were democrat that turned to Trump for his America first policy. He campaigned extremely hard to message that he's bringing back jobs from overseas. He proved it and despite a massive campaign by the left, the Union vote was clearly in Trumps corner. Minorities also turned out for Trump better than any (R) candidate in the past. DeSantis is going to have to get this national support if he has a chance at beating the left.

2. Will DeSantis supporters turn to Trump? Alot of the DeSantis vote is triggered by Trump. You can see it on this thread. They can't stand him, no matter what he did while in office. Hell, DeSantis himself won't say even he will vote for Trump if he wins the nomination - From Politico. Jeb Bush and his familly took it so personally, they came up with the Lincoln Project when Trump beat him.

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Yes...I think both points are actually crystal clear...

On number 2...to be fair...I doubt Trump would endorse DeSantis either...

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The inertia behind Trump remains formidable...the Trump Voting Bloc has its fringe nuts, don't get me wrong, but his support increases every time the establishment tries to torpedo him...

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So, here's another question. You point out that Trump gets a polling boost in his support (assuming we believe these polls now) every time the Dems/establishment goes after him. The Dems/establishment are privy to these results just like you and I are.

So if they are truly afraid of Trump but they see his popularity among his base supposedly inceasing when they attack him, then it stands to reason...

1) they either truly believe the attacks will 100% work before the election and he won't be able to run

Or

2) they want his base support to increase and the attacks are designed to serve that purpose.


Do you think they truly believe 100% he'll fall to the indictments and they're relishing running against Desantis? If not, and #2 above is the real reason for the attacks, why would they want his base support to increase?

Is it perhaps because they reason (correctly IMO) that Trump's base is only so big and his ceiling in a General election is low enough to keep him from winning? Just maybe they're doing all of this to steer the R's into a loss in the General election?

We talk of Dems cheating in elaborate schemes, but Trump's diehard supporters don't want to give the Dems credit for being smart enough to put 2 + 2 together and figure out the above plan.

1. If this were true, no Republican other than Trump would ever have won a national election. As we have stated before, Desantis doesn't need the same voters as Trump (no 2 politicians are going to have the same voting blocs), just more.of them. Desantis can get way more votes from people who are sick of the absolute circus coming from both the Trump and Biden presidencies.

2. I voted for Trump. I might again, but I won't be enthusiastic about it like I once was. He made sure of that.

Old May Banker said:

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A country - any country, let alone the greatest nation to ever exist - that runs geriatrics, like Trump or Biden, for the most powerful position on planet earth is destined to fail... no matter who wins. If they are the nominees, the electorate deserves the fate that awaits.

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Have you ever stopped to take a look around at the bull**** that has become America today and said to yourself, "ummm...I think we might already be there"?

I have...

I truly think this next election could be the tipping point for our national future...

Yes I have... precisely one of the reasons Trump lost my support.

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FireAg said:

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The inertia behind Trump remains formidable...the Trump Voting Bloc has its fringe nuts, don't get me wrong, but his support increases every time the establishment tries to torpedo him...

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So, here's another question. You point out that Trump gets a polling boost in his support (assuming we believe these polls now) every time the Dems/establishment goes after him. The Dems/establishment are privy to these results just like you and I are.

So if they are truly afraid of Trump but they see his popularity among his base supposedly inceasing when they attack him, then it stands to reason...

1) they either truly believe the attacks will 100% work before the election and he won't be able to run

Or

2) they want his base support to increase and the attacks are designed to serve that purpose.


Do you think they truly believe 100% he'll fall to the indictments and they're relishing running against Desantis? If not, and #2 above is the real reason for the attacks, why would they want his base support to increase?

Is it perhaps because they reason (correctly IMO) that Trump's base is only so big and his ceiling in a General election is low enough to keep him from winning? Just maybe they're doing all of this to steer the R's into a loss in the General election?

We talk of Dems cheating in elaborate schemes, but Trump's diehard supporters don't want to give the Dems credit for being smart enough to put 2 + 2 together and figure out the above plan.

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Or 3...they have an idea of what his ceiling is and they have enough election fraud in place to beat that ceiling...

But I'll do you one better...what if DeSantis wins the R primary and still loses the General (because the also know what his ceiling is)? Then will people realize that election fixing has gone into overdrive? Or will they just blame the evil Trump Voting Bloc as an easy scapegoat for not showing up for DeSantis? My question is a strawman on purpose and I do not expect a response...but take a thumbtack and pin it up to the wall until after election day...

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Science Denier said:

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DeSantis has made it clear he stands for X and if you want to support him great but he is going to stand for X.

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Did DeSantis think baseball players should NOT be part of the minimum wage protections when the voters approved it, or only when baseball gave him a million dollars THE VERY NEXT DAY after it was filed for them to get an exemption from this protection?

Was against the Florida consumers to have a choice on how they get their cars, or did he support a law banning consumer choice after local car dealers gave him millions of dollars?

I'm sure we will hear more examples of the price for DeSantis' vote if Trump becomes eliminated from the race.

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This is exactly what people mean when they talk about you being a blatant lying troll. Did "baseball" give him a million dollars?

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Found it.
Warning, it's from the insanely left leaning Newsweek - may trigger some

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"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis just signed a bill sought by billionaire owners of Major League Baseball teams that cuts minor league baseball players off from the minimum wage," Garcia wrote.

"One day after this legislation was filed in Tallahassee, Joe Ricketts, the billionaire founder of TD Ameritrade whose kids own the Chicago Cubs, gave DeSantis a $1 million donation," he added.
Rickets donated $1 million to DeSantis' gubernatorial account in February, according to a report from Politico.

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That are immediately debunked by multiple posters and then you just ignore them, take a few days off and come back to crylaugh troll bomb your way for a few more hours with blatant lies, just like your Dear Leader.

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Or 3...they have an idea of what his ceiling is and they have enough election fraud in place to beat that ceiling...

But I'll do you one better...what if DeSantis wins the R primary and still loses the General (because the also know what his ceiling is)? Then will people realize that election fixing has gone into overdrive? Or will they just blame the evil Trump Voting Bloc as an easy scapegoat for not showing up for DeSantis? My question is a strawman on purpose and I do not expect a response...but take a thumbtack and pin it up to the wall until after election day...

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We can only go on conjecture... we know there is somewhere between 1 (single) and 70 million fraudulent votes. It's never as good or as bad as we think, but it's out there. If there truly is either 1) enough fraud to keep marxists in power or 2) enough marxist voters to keep marxists in power, it doesn't really matter either way... we had a good run, and it's time to move to Montana.

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Or 3...they have an idea of what his ceiling is and they have enough election fraud in place to beat that ceiling...

But I'll do you one better...what if DeSantis wins the R primary and still loses the General (because the also know what his ceiling is)? Then will people realize that election fixing has gone into overdrive? Or will they just blame the evil Trump Voting Bloc as an easy scapegoat for not showing up for DeSantis? My question is a strawman on purpose and I do not expect a response...but take a thumbtack and pin it up to the wall until after election day...

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We can only go on conjecture... we know there is somewhere between 1 (single) and 70 million fraudulent votes. It's never as good or as bad as we think, but it's out there. If there truly is either 1) enough fraud to keep marxists in power or 2) enough marxist voters to keep marxists in power, it doesn't really matter either way... we had a good run, and it's time to move to Montana.

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We agree there...

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DeSantis has made it clear he stands for X and if you want to support him great but he is going to stand for X.

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Did DeSantis think baseball players should NOT be part of the minimum wage protections when the voters approved it, or only when baseball gave him a million dollars THE VERY NEXT DAY after it was filed for them to get an exemption from this protection?

Was against the Florida consumers to have a choice on how they get their cars, or did he support a law banning consumer choice after local car dealers gave him millions of dollars?

I'm sure we will hear more examples of the price for DeSantis' vote if Trump becomes eliminated from the race.

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The baseball thing was consistent with federal guidelines and yes, people in Florida like having Spring Training and a ton of Minor League Clubs there so they are fine with those changes.

The car issue has also been addressed, both sides wanted it because that is how that business works.

Neither of those issues are things that DeSantis changed positions on either.

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The inertia behind Trump remains formidable...the Trump Voting Bloc has its fringe nuts, don't get me wrong, but his support increases every time the establishment tries to torpedo him...

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So, here's another question. You point out that Trump gets a polling boost in his support (assuming we believe these polls now) every time the Dems/establishment goes after him. The Dems/establishment are privy to these results just like you and I are.

So if they are truly afraid of Trump but they see his popularity among his base supposedly inceasing when they attack him, then it stands to reason...

1) they either truly believe the attacks will 100% work before the election and he won't be able to run

Or

2) they want his base support to increase and the attacks are designed to serve that purpose.


Do you think they truly believe 100% he'll fall to the indictments and they're relishing running against Desantis? If not, and #2 above is the real reason for the attacks, why would they want his base support to increase?

Is it perhaps because they reason (correctly IMO) that Trump's base is only so big and his ceiling in a General election is low enough to keep him from winning? Just maybe they're doing all of this to steer the R's into a loss in the General election?

We talk of Dems cheating in elaborate schemes, but Trump's diehard supporters don't want to give the Dems credit for being smart enough to put 2 + 2 together and figure out the above plan.

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Or 3...they have an idea of what his ceiling is and they have enough election fraud in place to beat that ceiling...

But I'll do you one better...what if DeSantis wins the R primary and still loses the General (because the also know what his ceiling is)? Then will people realize that election fixing has gone into overdrive? Or will they just blame the evil Trump Voting Bloc as an easy scapegoat for not showing up for DeSantis? My question is a strawman on purpose and I do not expect a response...but take a thumbtack and pin it up to the wall until after election day...

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Oh your No. 3 is entirely plausible as well. And if the election becomes close I have no doubt we'll see more midnight shenanigans.

If Desantis is the nominee and he loses then I think a good portion of the general public will start to question the result. I mentioned in this thread yesterday that I believe a Desantis defeat would be a bigger wakeup call than a Trump defeat. Whether it gets pinned on a non-Trump bloc showing or Dems cheating will be determined by a close look at the turnout of the R's vs the D's.

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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You know what, I'll give you this one, you're right, the modification wasn't what was passed by voters. I was reading too fast and thought you were referring to the original amendment.

You got me. That mean ol' Desantis is picking on minor league ball players and Border Patrol agents.

Oh, wait...

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Bill sponsor Brad Yeager, R-New Port Richey, reasoned that without the change, teams could limit access to training facilities or pull players from games workplace protections that ensure they don't exceed weekly work-hour limits, according to NPR.

"These players need that visibility. They need that opportunity to play and practice to make it to the next level," Yeager said.

Republican Senator Jonathan Martin, who sponsored the bill, said that minor league players are provided with housing, transportation and breakfast.

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Oh, and....

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SB 892's passage means that Florida remains in line with a federal exemption to the minimum wage that was approved by Congress when it renewed the the Fair Labor Standards Act in 2018....

At the time, Major League Baseball (MLB) was granted an exemption from the federal minimum wage when it came to playing minor league players.

The federal act includes several minimum-wage exemptions, such as for baseball players, casual babysitters, some seasonal amusement workers, and border patrol agents.

The act was signed into law by then President Donald Trump, who is currently seen as the frontrunner for the GOP's 2024 presidential nomination and has repeatedly criticized DeSantis.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ron-desantis-signs-bill-to-stop-florida-baseball-players-making-minimum-wage/ar-AA1ctT9K

https://www.tampafp.com/minor-league-baseball-wage-bill-teed-up-florida/

Notice that part about your boy Trump signing the Federal version of this act which includes exemptions for ball players and Border Patrol agents.

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Here is SD getting clowned last time he tried to lie about this topic on the very same thread.

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1. The taxpayers voted for the law that included minor league ball players - FACT
- You see, the voters didn't like the original bill, so they took it upon themselves to change it

2. DeSantis signed another bill that REMOVED that protection. FACT
- You see, minor leage baseball didn't want to be forced to abide by the law the voters overwhelmingly approved, so they lobbied to get it changed.

3. The law that the voters didn't like, actuallly didn't provide exemptions for minor league baseball. It catgorized their minimum as a weekly minimum, not an hourly minimum. FACT
- You see, when the voters want something different that federal law, they make their own. It's a right granted to them by the state. So they did, and MLB lobbied hard to get it changed back.

4. DeSantis was paid $1 million the day after this legislation was signed. FACT

5. Trump signing a bill has zero to do with DeSantis taking money to change the law that the voters of Florida overwhelmingly voted for.

Nothing I stated is a lie. All facts that are not being challenged.

I'm sorry that TDS seems to affect the brain on what the word "lie" means.

REEE

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Old May Banker said:

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A country - any country, let alone the greatest nation to ever exist - that runs geriatrics, like Trump or Biden, for the most powerful position on planet earth is destined to fail... no matter who wins. If they are the nominees, the electorate deserves the fate that awaits.

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Have you ever stopped to take a look around at the bull**** that has become America today and said to yourself, "ummm...I think we might already be there"?

I have...

I truly think this next election could be the tipping point for our national future...

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Wait I thought 2016 was. Trump had his chance and did nothing to get Obama's garbage out of the Fed agencies. Trump was FAR better than the alternative but he didn't go far enough. DeSantis will

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FireAg said:

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Old May Banker said:

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A country - any country, let alone the greatest nation to ever exist - that runs geriatrics, like Trump or Biden, for the most powerful position on planet earth is destined to fail... no matter who wins. If they are the nominees, the electorate deserves the fate that awaits.

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Have you ever stopped to take a look around at the bull**** that has become America today and said to yourself, "ummm...I think we might already be there"?

I have...

I truly think this next election could be the tipping point for our national future...

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Wait I thought 2016 was. Trump had his chance and did nothing to get Obama's garbage out of the Fed agencies. Trump was FAR better than the alternative but he didn't go far enough. DeSantis will

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To be fair...that's an opinion...could be right...could be wrong...

Absolutes are always dangerous...

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The baseball thing was consistent with federal guidelines and yes, people in Florida like having Spring Training and a ton of Minor League Clubs there so they are fine with those changes.

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1. Show me where the voters are fine with the changes. Why did they vote to protect minor league ball plaers to start with?
2. Minor leage baseball teams are not going to remove their teams from Florida if this bill didn't pass. This has been in place since 2020 and no team hs moved.
3. Show me evidence of minor league teams leaving the state due to this law.

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The inertia behind Trump remains formidable...the Trump Voting Bloc has its fringe nuts, don't get me wrong, but his support increases every time the establishment tries to torpedo him...

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So, here's another question. You point out that Trump gets a polling boost in his support (assuming we believe these polls now) every time the Dems/establishment goes after him. The Dems/establishment are privy to these results just like you and I are.

So if they are truly afraid of Trump but they see his popularity among his base supposedly inceasing when they attack him, then it stands to reason...

1) they either truly believe the attacks will 100% work before the election and he won't be able to run

Or

2) they want his base support to increase and the attacks are designed to serve that purpose.


Do you think they truly believe 100% he'll fall to the indictments and they're relishing running against Desantis? If not, and #2 above is the real reason for the attacks, why would they want his base support to increase?

Is it perhaps because they reason (correctly IMO) that Trump's base is only so big and his ceiling in a General election is low enough to keep him from winning? Just maybe they're doing all of this to steer the R's into a loss in the General election?

We talk of Dems cheating in elaborate schemes, but Trump's diehard supporters don't want to give the Dems credit for being smart enough to put 2 + 2 together and figure out the above plan.

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Or 3...they have an idea of what his ceiling is and they have enough election fraud in place to beat that ceiling...

But I'll do you one better...what if DeSantis wins the R primary and still loses the General (because the also know what his ceiling is)? Then will people realize that election fixing has gone into overdrive? Or will they just blame the evil Trump Voting Bloc as an easy scapegoat for not showing up for DeSantis? My question is a strawman on purpose and I do not expect a response...but take a thumbtack and pin it up to the wall until after election day...

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Fire,

I think you are well intentioned but also don't understand how this works very well on multiple levels.

You want DeSantis to get a big splash and a polling boost 8 months before the primaries even start and no one is paying attention. He must do this of course without attacking Trump in any way you know, because people really are going to be shocked to hear him say that Biden is bad. So you suggest an impossible if not illogical strategy, limit the possible ways to accomplish it by taking away the most likely way to get there, and then hammer on it like it is the reason DeSantis isn't "winning" a race that hasn't really started.

At the same time you are setting up the "well, no Republican is going to win anyway because of cheating" argument by talking about Desantis' ceiling as if it is similar to Trump's when there is no way to know what DeSantis' ceiling is at this point. DeSantis has SO MANY more arrows in his quiver.

You also aren't putting much stock in the fact that there is a real strategy for DeSantis here. It's very similar to Obama vs Hillary in 2008. Build the ground game and put out the messaging and then come on strong late. That's how you beat someone with 100% Name ID. DeSantis cannot out headline Trump so trying to do at this point in the race will come across desperate and it will fail.

The other elephant in the room that very few people are paying attention to is Trump is in serious money trouble. His campaign is basically on fumes right now by all data you can find but he is acting like he is the big frontrunner with unlimited cash. Trump doesn't spend his own money to self finance either and he has mounting legal bills. DeSantis OTOH has MASSIVE amounts of cash and is raising money at a monster rate. It is no coincidence Trump is trying to attack him on that and act like raising money is somehow bad, Trump doesn't really have a good card to play there. Trump needs free media in order to make his campaign work. That's fine for now when people have half an eye on this race but later on that's going to be a real issue.

So you can keep calling for DeSantis to complete a Hail Mary right now but it's not likely to happen because he's not playing that game. He's running a ball control offense with solid defense and pounding away. He knows he can't win the race right now but he can lose it.

I also find it interesting you keep talking about how bad DeSantis folks are acting (ignoring or dismissing Trump folks of course because they get to play by different rules I suppose) but DeSantis is hitting Trump on ISSUES not calling him names or making up conspiracies. He is pointing out failures from Trump's Presidency. If nothing else that needs to happen because the Democrats damn sure will. if you think the soft pedaling from the MSM on Trump is going to continue if he gets the nomination it won't. Only when they come for Trump this time he will be broke and old and probably already convicted. There will be no backup plan because Trump will have done everything imaginable to take out the better alternative.

In the end this is going to be a knock down, drag out battle. Trump isn't going to go down without a fight and DeSantis isn't going to play nice and let Trump run all over him. It's 2 Alphas fighting for King of the Hill so just settle in. In the end both sides will come together because neither has much of a choice but to support the winner. For DeSantis he won't make the same mistake Cruz did. For Trump he will know that DeSantis' winning is his only way to keep himself out of jail.

DeSantis doesn't need a Hail Mary...it's still in the first quarter...

He could use a score, though...that folks outside his close followers can see and relate to...

What's a score to you? Closing the gap by 3 points within 2 weeks of announcing in an early state? A fundraising record?

We will know he is gaining steam when 1) his poll numbers reflect that, which will be followed closely by 2) MSM starts hammering him instead of Trump...

DeSantis released his strategy for controlling the boarders and fighting illegal immigration yesterday, did he not?

I can't find anyone in the media really taking the time to discuss it...why not?

And it has some real, Leftist-triggering points in it...but hardly a mention of it that I can find in MSM...

Poll showing he beats Biden in swing states that Trump loses?

Fox covered it. MSNBC is just saying DeSantis is worse than Trump. Right now the nightly news' political cycle is focused on Trump's indictments and finally the Biden bribery & cover up. The border policy isn't going to take precedence over that.

That's kinda why I didn't want DeSantis to release policy issues just yet because it won't get covered.

And to my point...he needs a momentum boost within the campaign so that when he does release these things, MSM has to discuss them...even if it is to slam him and call him a bigot and a racist for his policies on immigration...

So until he achieves that, for better or worse, his message continues to get lost in the noise...

🔥“I want to Break the Swamp.”

- @RonDeSantis

pic.twitter.com/xMv1afgdnU

— Cryptid Politics 🇺🇸🐊 (@CryptidPolitics) June 27, 2023

And if Fox did cover it, it sure didn't wind up on their front page...

But Sofia Vegara in a thong did...

Sofia Vergara in thong would certainly get my attention. Going to go search Fox for a minute

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We will know he is gaining steam when 1) his poll numbers reflect that, which will be followed closely by 2) MSM starts hammering him instead of Trump...

DeSantis released his strategy for controlling the boarders and fighting illegal immigration yesterday, did he not?

I can't find anyone in the media really taking the time to discuss it...why not?

And it has some real, Leftist-triggering points in it...but hardly a mention of it that I can find in MSM...

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Then you aren't really looking for articles, on either his border speech or on Desantis himself and the "threat" he poses. All I did was google his name.

https://www.businessinsider.com/desantis-is-dropping-in-new-hampshire-polling-2023-6

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/27/opinions/trump-supreme-court-justice-samuel-alito-thomas-desantis-hosie/index.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-read/desantis-gop-support-declining-new-nbc-poll-rcna91102

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2023/06/27/desantis_is_trying_to_out-trump_trump_its_not_working_601857.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/27/opinion/ron-desantis-florida-bills.html

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/desantis-details-hardline-border-plan-looking-to-compete-with-trump/ar-AA1d7xco

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/27/us/politics/desantis-new-hampshire-town-hall.html

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/desantis-s-terrifying-border-strategy-blasted-by-liberals-and-immigrant-advocates/ar-AA1d7wSD

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/07/politics/desantis-immigration-border/index.html

https://www.reuters.com/video/watch/desantis-pushes-use-of-force-at-us-mexic-id768991669?chan=6g5ka85

And there have already been posts on here from Twitter with clips of MSNBC hosts and guests calling Desantis worse than Trump. You have to be willfully ignoring this stuff, and the only reason I can guess why is to pretend that Desantis "is not making a splash".

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We will know he is gaining steam when 1) his poll numbers reflect that, which will be followed closely by 2) MSM starts hammering him instead of Trump...

DeSantis released his strategy for controlling the boarders and fighting illegal immigration yesterday, did he not?

I can't find anyone in the media really taking the time to discuss it...why not?

And it has some real, Leftist-triggering points in it...but hardly a mention of it that I can find in MSM...

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Then you aren't really looking for articles, on either his border speech or on Desantis himself and the "threat" he poses. All I did was google his name.

https://www.businessinsider.com/desantis-is-dropping-in-new-hampshire-polling-2023-6

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/27/opinions/trump-supreme-court-justice-samuel-alito-thomas-desantis-hosie/index.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-read/desantis-gop-support-declining-new-nbc-poll-rcna91102

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2023/06/27/desantis_is_trying_to_out-trump_trump_its_not_working_601857.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/27/opinion/ron-desantis-florida-bills.html

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/desantis-details-hardline-border-plan-looking-to-compete-with-trump/ar-AA1d7xco

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/27/us/politics/desantis-new-hampshire-town-hall.html

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/desantis-s-terrifying-border-strategy-blasted-by-liberals-and-immigrant-advocates/ar-AA1d7wSD

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/07/politics/desantis-immigration-border/index.html

https://www.reuters.com/video/watch/desantis-pushes-use-of-force-at-us-mexic-id768991669?chan=6g5ka85

And there have already been posts on here from Twitter with clips of MSNBC hosts and guests calling Desantis worse than Trump. You have to be willfully ignoring this stuff, and the only reason I can guess why is to pretend that Desantis "is not making a splash".

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You do realize that the majority of those articles either mention DeSantis losing ground to Trump in polls or mention Trump as part of the article, correct?

Thank you for making my point...

Let me rephrase and see if this makes more sense to you...

DeSantis needs some sort of momentum to swing in his favor so that he can start gaining in the polls and come out from Trump's "yuge" shadow...

Better?

Articles that aren't kind to Trump = fake news

Articles that aren't kind to DeSantis = accurate and he needs to be better.

Amiright?

FireAg said:

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DeSantis doesn't need a Hail Mary...it's still in the first quarter...

He could use a score, though...that folks outside his close followers can see and relate to...

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He's been scoring. You talked about him getting something to grab headlines. Those are not the same thing. The ONLY way he is getting big headlines is to do something worthy of distracting from the regular news cycle to talk about a race for most people that is well over a year away. That's only going to happen with a "Hail Mary", probably with him saying or doing something outrageous.

That's not his style and it isn't needed. He just needs to keep building and let Trump keep shooting himself in the foot. He needs to be the option people turn to. Then when the time is right he needs to go big and keep on hitting but he needs to do that when people are paying attention.

If you don't think hiring 2600 people and training them to knock on doors in the first 18 states matters I would suggest you either don't know about it or you don't understand primary politics. That kind of ground game is how you build up a base of support and interest and so when you DO make your move you are likely to succeed. If you don't think raising massive amounts of money and getting large numbers of State and Local folks to endorse you isn't a win you also aren't paying attention.

Also it is important to remember that DeSantis is using this time to refine his messaging. He's speaking more and more comfortably on the stump. He's getting lots of questions and preparing for when the spotlight is inevitably on him. Most campaigns like his that fail do so because of a mistake and he understands that.

That could be true...or that could be wish-casting on your part...

I don't think we know enough yet to project with any certainty...

FireAg said:

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We will know he is gaining steam when 1) his poll numbers reflect that, which will be followed closely by 2) MSM starts hammering him instead of Trump...

DeSantis released his strategy for controlling the boarders and fighting illegal immigration yesterday, did he not?

I can't find anyone in the media really taking the time to discuss it...why not?

And it has some real, Leftist-triggering points in it...but hardly a mention of it that I can find in MSM...

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It's not getting traction because outside of Boards like this the minor moves of the potential GOP Primary race that is 8 months from starting just isn't going to make headlines. People are not engaged right now and nothing DeSantis can do is going to change that right now without taking a huge risk or making a huge mistake.