OFFICIAL ****Donald Trump versus Ron DeSantis*** thread...

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TRM said:

So really this exemption is just aligning FL law with Federal Fair Labor Standards Act.

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/892/BillText/Filed/PDF
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From Tampa Bay Times
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When Congress amended the federal law in 2018, the minor-league minimum was put at $290 a week the equivalent of $7.25 an hour without overtime eligibility. The federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour.
This does not allow for the minimum the voters approved.

Also, FLSA sets minumim at $7.25 where the Florida Law is higher.

This doesn't come close to meeting FLSA.

Plus, Florida voters approved minor league players to be included.
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aggie93 said:

Science Denier said:

FL_Ag1998 said:

Science Denier said:

aggie93 said:

Science Denier said:

What does DeSantis have against the Border Patrol?

From TheStreet

Now, this article is about DeSantis exempting minor league baseball players. Here is the current law that is in effect for Florida:
Quote:

"The federal minimum wage is currently $7.25 an hour," Newsweek reported. "However, in 2020 the state of Florida passed a constitutional amendment that raised the state's minimum wage to $10 an hour and raised the rate by $1 per year until 2026, when the state's minimum wage will reach $15 an hour."
I don't agree with the minimum wage and am rather surprised Florida actually passed something this liberal. However, they talk about the corruption between DeSantis and the MLB lobby firm.
Quote:

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis just signed a bill sought by billionaire owners of Major League Baseball teams that cuts minor league baseball players off from the minimum wage," he tweeted.

"One day after this legislation was filed in Tallahassee, Joe Ricketts, the billionaire founder of TD Ameritrade whose kids own the Chicago Cubs, gave DeSantis a $1 million donation," Garcia wrote in one.

"Major League Baseball hired the lobbying firm owned by one of DeSantis' biggest Florida fundraisers and that now employs DeSantis' former chief of staff," he posted in another.
But, I found this in the article and was wondering WTF?
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The Florida Senate website explains that SB 892 would exempt border patrol agents and salaried baseball players from the Florida Minimum Wage Act.
Why exempt border patrol agents? I know in 2014 Obama's hate for border patrol was reflected in the federal statute that took away the protection for border patrol agents. However, the Florida Law paid more for minimum wage and did not exempt these agents.

I would think these guys already make more than the minimum wage, so why even bother? Seems like a strange ammendment that really doesn't affect anything. Except, of course, if DeSantis got paid a million for it.
Considering the Border Patrol doesn't work for any state and they make a lot more than minimum wage, maybe, just maybe, this might be a crap article. My guess is on the MLB thing is it probably has to do with practice and overtime. Technically a Low A baseball player gets a signing bonus but their salary is crap and if they are paid a minimum wage plus OT for everything they do that is baseball related, including time they are traveling, that may end up being too expensive. Since Florida has a lot of minor league teams and Spring Training there is also likely a connection there. Not going to lose a lot of sleep over folks that play pro baseball not making enough money though.

It looks like the Minimum Wage Law was based off a referendum with signatures from constituents that passed in '20 and had nothing to do with DeSantis though I don't see him openly opposing it or endorsing it anywhere. It passed with 60% of the vote and my guess is not many jobs pay $7.25 in FL anyway so it likely has minimal impact but I agree it seems odd. I doubt it is something DeSantis wanted as it runs counter to everything else he has done and would not score him any political points.
1. The article references Newsweek, so it's not a crap article.
2. This modification was not on any referrendum. It was introduced and passed and signed by DeSantis.
3. DeSantis was paid $1mm for this deal to go thru.

Typical insider political deal. No wonder the establishment loves him over Trump.


You're ridiculous, and the article is clearly written from a very liberal point of view. You either chose to ignore that in your desperation to find some dirt on Desantis, or you're more liberal than you pretend and that site (The Street) is right up your alley.

This was absolutely a citizen-initiated measure that was on the ballot, passed by the voters. Go do some reseearch besides that horrible Street article.

Go back to the Trump sites to find more "gotcha" mud to throw against the wall.

1. The minimum wage law initially written was citizen initiated. It was passed in Nov 2020.
National Law Review

2. This bill targeting border patrol agents and minor league baseball players was most certainly not. This was lobbied by MLB and DeSantis got a million dollars for it. Voters don't give a **** about if border patrol or minor league baseball players are protected by the bill that was actually approved by the voters.

Florida Courier
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Florida voters in 2020 backed a constitutional amendment that increases the minimum wage $1 a year until reaching $15 on Sept. 30, 2026. The Florida minimum wage is now $11 an hour and will go to $12 on Sept. 30.

So, this bill goes against what the voters actuallly approved.

Go do some research besides your TDS induced Twitter followers.
So you are opposed to the minimum wage law or not? The law was based off a referendum that was signed petitions that was voted on in 2020 by the electorate, not DeSantis. That was my point as to that. DeSantis got exceptions to the law for MLB and I have no idea what the "Border Patrol" thing is about because it makes no sense as those are Federal Employees so it must be some other "Border Patrol".

I explained why the MLB thing was likely passed and it makes sense. Essentially without it MLB might have to decide if they want to have all of those Spring Training and Minor League Clubs in Florida because of how the original law is written. Minimum wage laws are stupid because of reasons like that, there are other exceptions to them. Now you can say DeSantis did that because a donor who liked him before likes him now and donated money to him I suppose but DeSantis' position didn't change. By that logic any person affiliated with any business that donates any money to any politician that then that politician backs a bill that favors them is then corrupt. That's literally everyone including Trump. The issue is when someone changes a position based around getting money like the Ukraine/Burisma stuff or friends of Trump like Blago that sold Obama's Senate seat after he was elected President. That's actual corruption.

This is basically like saying the Governor of Colorado is corrupt because he gets money from ski resorts and Colorado has laws that provide liability protections for ski resorts.

I mean if you think that it is some scandal that Minor League Baseball players may not be technically paid minimum wage in Florida to stay in compliance with this law I guess that's your opinion though. Minor League Baseball is a tough gig. I am curious what the Border Patrol thing is, that just seems odd. Certainly DeSantis has never hesitated to fund and do anything regarding the border and illegal immigration though.
1. I'm against any federal or state minimum wage laws.
2. If voters approve it in a state, that's what they want. Certainly not what I want in this state.
3. The corruptness is MLB paying DeSantis a million dollars to ammend what the voters approved.
4. I'm more opposed to DeSantis overriding the voters on backing Obama's removal of Border Patrol agents. In the modified FLSA Obama approved, he allowed for a weekly minimum for minor league baseball players. He didn't do **** for border patrol, and this DeSantis bill removes what Florida voters wanted for them.

See my original post. What does he have against border patrol.
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What does Trump have against the Border Patrol when he approved the 2018 Fed bill that included provisions excluding Border Patrol?
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Minor League players get housing paid for by the club as part of their compensation as well.
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FL_Ag1998 said:

What does Trump have against the Border Patrol when he approved the 2018 Fed bill that included provisions excluding Border Patrol?
He hates them also.

But, the border patrol loves Trump anyway.
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Science Denier said:

aggie93 said:

Science Denier said:

FL_Ag1998 said:

Science Denier said:

aggie93 said:

Science Denier said:

What does DeSantis have against the Border Patrol?

From TheStreet

Now, this article is about DeSantis exempting minor league baseball players. Here is the current law that is in effect for Florida:
Quote:

"The federal minimum wage is currently $7.25 an hour," Newsweek reported. "However, in 2020 the state of Florida passed a constitutional amendment that raised the state's minimum wage to $10 an hour and raised the rate by $1 per year until 2026, when the state's minimum wage will reach $15 an hour."
I don't agree with the minimum wage and am rather surprised Florida actually passed something this liberal. However, they talk about the corruption between DeSantis and the MLB lobby firm.
Quote:

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis just signed a bill sought by billionaire owners of Major League Baseball teams that cuts minor league baseball players off from the minimum wage," he tweeted.

"One day after this legislation was filed in Tallahassee, Joe Ricketts, the billionaire founder of TD Ameritrade whose kids own the Chicago Cubs, gave DeSantis a $1 million donation," Garcia wrote in one.

"Major League Baseball hired the lobbying firm owned by one of DeSantis' biggest Florida fundraisers and that now employs DeSantis' former chief of staff," he posted in another.
But, I found this in the article and was wondering WTF?
Quote:

The Florida Senate website explains that SB 892 would exempt border patrol agents and salaried baseball players from the Florida Minimum Wage Act.
Why exempt border patrol agents? I know in 2014 Obama's hate for border patrol was reflected in the federal statute that took away the protection for border patrol agents. However, the Florida Law paid more for minimum wage and did not exempt these agents.

I would think these guys already make more than the minimum wage, so why even bother? Seems like a strange ammendment that really doesn't affect anything. Except, of course, if DeSantis got paid a million for it.
Considering the Border Patrol doesn't work for any state and they make a lot more than minimum wage, maybe, just maybe, this might be a crap article. My guess is on the MLB thing is it probably has to do with practice and overtime. Technically a Low A baseball player gets a signing bonus but their salary is crap and if they are paid a minimum wage plus OT for everything they do that is baseball related, including time they are traveling, that may end up being too expensive. Since Florida has a lot of minor league teams and Spring Training there is also likely a connection there. Not going to lose a lot of sleep over folks that play pro baseball not making enough money though.

It looks like the Minimum Wage Law was based off a referendum with signatures from constituents that passed in '20 and had nothing to do with DeSantis though I don't see him openly opposing it or endorsing it anywhere. It passed with 60% of the vote and my guess is not many jobs pay $7.25 in FL anyway so it likely has minimal impact but I agree it seems odd. I doubt it is something DeSantis wanted as it runs counter to everything else he has done and would not score him any political points.
1. The article references Newsweek, so it's not a crap article.
2. This modification was not on any referrendum. It was introduced and passed and signed by DeSantis.
3. DeSantis was paid $1mm for this deal to go thru.

Typical insider political deal. No wonder the establishment loves him over Trump.


You're ridiculous, and the article is clearly written from a very liberal point of view. You either chose to ignore that in your desperation to find some dirt on Desantis, or you're more liberal than you pretend and that site (The Street) is right up your alley.

This was absolutely a citizen-initiated measure that was on the ballot, passed by the voters. Go do some reseearch besides that horrible Street article.

Go back to the Trump sites to find more "gotcha" mud to throw against the wall.

1. The minimum wage law initially written was citizen initiated. It was passed in Nov 2020.
National Law Review

2. This bill targeting border patrol agents and minor league baseball players was most certainly not. This was lobbied by MLB and DeSantis got a million dollars for it. Voters don't give a **** about if border patrol or minor league baseball players are protected by the bill that was actually approved by the voters.

Florida Courier
Quote:

Florida voters in 2020 backed a constitutional amendment that increases the minimum wage $1 a year until reaching $15 on Sept. 30, 2026. The Florida minimum wage is now $11 an hour and will go to $12 on Sept. 30.

So, this bill goes against what the voters actuallly approved.

Go do some research besides your TDS induced Twitter followers.
So you are opposed to the minimum wage law or not? The law was based off a referendum that was signed petitions that was voted on in 2020 by the electorate, not DeSantis. That was my point as to that. DeSantis got exceptions to the law for MLB and I have no idea what the "Border Patrol" thing is about because it makes no sense as those are Federal Employees so it must be some other "Border Patrol".

I explained why the MLB thing was likely passed and it makes sense. Essentially without it MLB might have to decide if they want to have all of those Spring Training and Minor League Clubs in Florida because of how the original law is written. Minimum wage laws are stupid because of reasons like that, there are other exceptions to them. Now you can say DeSantis did that because a donor who liked him before likes him now and donated money to him I suppose but DeSantis' position didn't change. By that logic any person affiliated with any business that donates any money to any politician that then that politician backs a bill that favors them is then corrupt. That's literally everyone including Trump. The issue is when someone changes a position based around getting money like the Ukraine/Burisma stuff or friends of Trump like Blago that sold Obama's Senate seat after he was elected President. That's actual corruption.

This is basically like saying the Governor of Colorado is corrupt because he gets money from ski resorts and Colorado has laws that provide liability protections for ski resorts.

I mean if you think that it is some scandal that Minor League Baseball players may not be technically paid minimum wage in Florida to stay in compliance with this law I guess that's your opinion though. Minor League Baseball is a tough gig. I am curious what the Border Patrol thing is, that just seems odd. Certainly DeSantis has never hesitated to fund and do anything regarding the border and illegal immigration though.
1. I'm against any federal or state minimum wage laws.
2. If voters approve it in a state, that's what they want. Certainly not what I want in this state.
3. The corruptness is MLB paying DeSantis a million dollars to ammend what the voters approved.
4. I'm more opposed to DeSantis overriding the voters on backing Obama's removal of Border Patrol agents. In the modified FLSA Obama approved, he allowed for a weekly minimum for minor league baseball players. He didn't do **** for border patrol, and this DeSantis bill removes what Florida voters wanted for them.

See my original post. What does he have against border patrol.


There is zero evidence of this. (Not that that has stopped trump lemmings in the past)
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Science Denier said:

FL_Ag1998 said:

What does Trump have against the Border Patrol when he approved the 2018 Fed bill that included provisions excluding Border Patrol?
He hates them also.

But, the border patrol loves Trump anyway.
The New Yorker
News Week


You'll probably be hard pressed to find the Border Patrol making a statement either way in regards to Desantis because it would obviously come across as political.

But there's a couple of Texas Sheriffs who really like Desantis.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/texas/article_ff5cad08-05b7-11ee-ab3c-5bb50b213aec.html
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Science Denier said:

aggie93 said:

Science Denier said:

FL_Ag1998 said:

Science Denier said:

aggie93 said:

Science Denier said:

What does DeSantis have against the Border Patrol?

From TheStreet

Now, this article is about DeSantis exempting minor league baseball players. Here is the current law that is in effect for Florida:
Quote:

"The federal minimum wage is currently $7.25 an hour," Newsweek reported. "However, in 2020 the state of Florida passed a constitutional amendment that raised the state's minimum wage to $10 an hour and raised the rate by $1 per year until 2026, when the state's minimum wage will reach $15 an hour."
I don't agree with the minimum wage and am rather surprised Florida actually passed something this liberal. However, they talk about the corruption between DeSantis and the MLB lobby firm.
Quote:

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis just signed a bill sought by billionaire owners of Major League Baseball teams that cuts minor league baseball players off from the minimum wage," he tweeted.

"One day after this legislation was filed in Tallahassee, Joe Ricketts, the billionaire founder of TD Ameritrade whose kids own the Chicago Cubs, gave DeSantis a $1 million donation," Garcia wrote in one.

"Major League Baseball hired the lobbying firm owned by one of DeSantis' biggest Florida fundraisers and that now employs DeSantis' former chief of staff," he posted in another.
But, I found this in the article and was wondering WTF?
Quote:

The Florida Senate website explains that SB 892 would exempt border patrol agents and salaried baseball players from the Florida Minimum Wage Act.
Why exempt border patrol agents? I know in 2014 Obama's hate for border patrol was reflected in the federal statute that took away the protection for border patrol agents. However, the Florida Law paid more for minimum wage and did not exempt these agents.

I would think these guys already make more than the minimum wage, so why even bother? Seems like a strange ammendment that really doesn't affect anything. Except, of course, if DeSantis got paid a million for it.
Considering the Border Patrol doesn't work for any state and they make a lot more than minimum wage, maybe, just maybe, this might be a crap article. My guess is on the MLB thing is it probably has to do with practice and overtime. Technically a Low A baseball player gets a signing bonus but their salary is crap and if they are paid a minimum wage plus OT for everything they do that is baseball related, including time they are traveling, that may end up being too expensive. Since Florida has a lot of minor league teams and Spring Training there is also likely a connection there. Not going to lose a lot of sleep over folks that play pro baseball not making enough money though.

It looks like the Minimum Wage Law was based off a referendum with signatures from constituents that passed in '20 and had nothing to do with DeSantis though I don't see him openly opposing it or endorsing it anywhere. It passed with 60% of the vote and my guess is not many jobs pay $7.25 in FL anyway so it likely has minimal impact but I agree it seems odd. I doubt it is something DeSantis wanted as it runs counter to everything else he has done and would not score him any political points.
1. The article references Newsweek, so it's not a crap article.
2. This modification was not on any referrendum. It was introduced and passed and signed by DeSantis.
3. DeSantis was paid $1mm for this deal to go thru.

Typical insider political deal. No wonder the establishment loves him over Trump.


You're ridiculous, and the article is clearly written from a very liberal point of view. You either chose to ignore that in your desperation to find some dirt on Desantis, or you're more liberal than you pretend and that site (The Street) is right up your alley.

This was absolutely a citizen-initiated measure that was on the ballot, passed by the voters. Go do some reseearch besides that horrible Street article.

Go back to the Trump sites to find more "gotcha" mud to throw against the wall.

1. The minimum wage law initially written was citizen initiated. It was passed in Nov 2020.
National Law Review

2. This bill targeting border patrol agents and minor league baseball players was most certainly not. This was lobbied by MLB and DeSantis got a million dollars for it. Voters don't give a **** about if border patrol or minor league baseball players are protected by the bill that was actually approved by the voters.

Florida Courier
Quote:

Florida voters in 2020 backed a constitutional amendment that increases the minimum wage $1 a year until reaching $15 on Sept. 30, 2026. The Florida minimum wage is now $11 an hour and will go to $12 on Sept. 30.

So, this bill goes against what the voters actuallly approved.

Go do some research besides your TDS induced Twitter followers.
So you are opposed to the minimum wage law or not? The law was based off a referendum that was signed petitions that was voted on in 2020 by the electorate, not DeSantis. That was my point as to that. DeSantis got exceptions to the law for MLB and I have no idea what the "Border Patrol" thing is about because it makes no sense as those are Federal Employees so it must be some other "Border Patrol".

I explained why the MLB thing was likely passed and it makes sense. Essentially without it MLB might have to decide if they want to have all of those Spring Training and Minor League Clubs in Florida because of how the original law is written. Minimum wage laws are stupid because of reasons like that, there are other exceptions to them. Now you can say DeSantis did that because a donor who liked him before likes him now and donated money to him I suppose but DeSantis' position didn't change. By that logic any person affiliated with any business that donates any money to any politician that then that politician backs a bill that favors them is then corrupt. That's literally everyone including Trump. The issue is when someone changes a position based around getting money like the Ukraine/Burisma stuff or friends of Trump like Blago that sold Obama's Senate seat after he was elected President. That's actual corruption.

This is basically like saying the Governor of Colorado is corrupt because he gets money from ski resorts and Colorado has laws that provide liability protections for ski resorts.

I mean if you think that it is some scandal that Minor League Baseball players may not be technically paid minimum wage in Florida to stay in compliance with this law I guess that's your opinion though. Minor League Baseball is a tough gig. I am curious what the Border Patrol thing is, that just seems odd. Certainly DeSantis has never hesitated to fund and do anything regarding the border and illegal immigration though.
1. I'm against any federal or state minimum wage laws.
2. If voters approve it in a state, that's what they want. Certainly not what I want in this state.
3. The corruptness is MLB paying DeSantis a million dollars to ammend what the voters approved.
4. I'm more opposed to DeSantis overriding the voters on backing Obama's removal of Border Patrol agents. In the modified FLSA Obama approved, he allowed for a weekly minimum for minor league baseball players. He didn't do **** for border patrol, and this DeSantis bill removes what Florida voters wanted for them.

See my original post. What does he have against border patrol.
DeSantis was just at the border last week talking about how he can send more people and support and coordinating with other states to do the same. The laws he passed against employing illegals are the strongest in the country. I mean you can try to dream up some narrative that he "has something against Border Patrol" but clearly the issue is a lot more complicated as to why that provision (which was simply adopting a federal provision) exists. Obviously Trump also agreed with the provision. So not really sure where you are headed with this unless you think both Trump and DeSantis hate the Border Patrol.
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More DeSantis grifting
DeSantis Signs Bill Blocking Direct-To-Consumer Car Sales (With A Carveout For Tesla)
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As a surprise to no one, the bill was written by lobbyists for the Florida Automobile Dealers Association

On what's surely a completely unrelated note, Florida Politics points out that dealers have donated more than $2 million to DeSantis in the last two years,
Yea. Totally unrelated.

Dude can grift the system like no-one. Becoming clearer and clearer why the insiders want DeSantis over Trump.
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That's actually the rule in most states. That's the way most OEM's like it, as well
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Science Denier said:

More DeSantis grifting
DeSantis Signs Bill Blocking Direct-To-Consumer Car Sales (With A Carveout For Tesla)
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As a surprise to no one, the bill was written by lobbyists for the Florida Automobile Dealers Association

On what's surely a completely unrelated note, Florida Politics points out that dealers have donated more than $2 million to DeSantis in the last two years,
Yea. Totally unrelated.

Dude can grift the system like no-one. Becoming clearer and clearer why the insiders want DeSantis over Trump.


You're right, Desantis is the grifter. No way does Trump grift.

Oh, BTW, I hear Trump has a new set of commemorative pocket knives/dishware/drinking glasses/NFT/whatever you can buy for only $99.99.
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FL_Ag1998 said:

Science Denier said:

More DeSantis grifting
DeSantis Signs Bill Blocking Direct-To-Consumer Car Sales (With A Carveout For Tesla)
Quote:

As a surprise to no one, the bill was written by lobbyists for the Florida Automobile Dealers Association

On what's surely a completely unrelated note, Florida Politics points out that dealers have donated more than $2 million to DeSantis in the last two years,
Yea. Totally unrelated.

Dude can grift the system like no-one. Becoming clearer and clearer why the insiders want DeSantis over Trump.


You're right, Desantis is the grifter. No way does Trump grift.

Oh, BTW, I hear Trump has a new set of commemorative pocket knives/dishware/drinking glasses/NFT/whatever you can buy for only $99.99.


He doesn't grift using government resources. He doesn't sign legislation based on the highest bidder. This is why DC hates him. They can't influence him.

DeSantis looks like one that fits in well with thenDC establishment.
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He doesn't grift using government resources. He doesn't sign legislation based on the highest bidder.


Unless your name is Anthony Fauci.
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Definitely Not A Cop said:

Unless your name is Anthony Fauci.

What legislation did Trump pass based on Fauci?
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https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/dual-use-research/feds-lift-gain-function-research-pause-offer-guidance
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Science Denier said:

FL_Ag1998 said:

Science Denier said:

More DeSantis grifting
DeSantis Signs Bill Blocking Direct-To-Consumer Car Sales (With A Carveout For Tesla)
Quote:

As a surprise to no one, the bill was written by lobbyists for the Florida Automobile Dealers Association

On what's surely a completely unrelated note, Florida Politics points out that dealers have donated more than $2 million to DeSantis in the last two years,
Yea. Totally unrelated.

Dude can grift the system like no-one. Becoming clearer and clearer why the insiders want DeSantis over Trump.


You're right, Desantis is the grifter. No way does Trump grift.

Oh, BTW, I hear Trump has a new set of commemorative pocket knives/dishware/drinking glasses/NFT/whatever you can buy for only $99.99.


He doesn't grift using government resources. He doesn't sign legislation based on the highest bidder. This is why DC hates him. They can't influence him.

DeSantis looks like one that fits in well with thenDC establishment.
Where is Kushner getting his funding for his Hedge Fund from? How about the stock Trump had in AB as he had Jr try to stop the Bud Light boycott? Pharma donations anyone? Look, I think Trump is decent as far as politicians go corruption wise but acting like he is Mr Clean and DeSantis is a grifter is a joke. DeSantis raises a lot of money from a lot of people but he has also made it very clear that he won't adjust policy because of donations. Just ask Disney.
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"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

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the largest Donald Trump Fan Club in America


They're obviously unaware of some of the posters on here.
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Damn he is articulate and makes his points effectively.


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I love the diehard Trumpers who in one post will say "Trump gets all the arrows from the evil liberal press" and then rush to post the same liberal press attacking DeSantis.
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Trump loses another Megadonor to DeSantis

GOP Megadonor: "If We Want To Win, It Has To Be DeSantis"
He used to be one of Donald Trump's strongest backers. Now he doesn't think the former president can win the general election. It's DeSantis all the way for Hal Lambert and this is why.

FORT WORTH, TEXAS Fund manager and GOP megadonor Hal Lambert is one of the nation's most prominent and generous supporters of conservative causes. In 2016, he served on Donald Trump's inaugural committee. But now, he has come out as one of Ron DeSantis' most vocal backers.

"I've been a big supporter of President Trump, and I really do think he's been treated unfairly. But as it stands, I just don't think he can win the general election. It's the swing states that matter and there, Trump's odds are not in his favor," Hal Lambert tells The Florida Standard.

"And we simply can't have four more years of Biden."

FAILED TO DELIVER

Lambert points out that past grievances and pity are poor justifications for picking a viable Republican presidential candidate. Instead, we have to be pragmatic and focus on the one with the biggest chances of succeeding.

"We can all agree that there have been massive disparities in the treatment of people, that we are in a situation where we have a two-tier justice system, for example… and yes, Trump has been treated badly. But that's not a reason to vote for someone. What we have to do is vote for the person who really can lead and implement the changes necessary," Lambert explains.

He emphasizes that Trump failed to deliver on many of his promises. No wall was built on the southern border. And Trump was the one who put destructive forces in positions of power, such as appointing Christopher Wray to lead the FBI.

"When you say you're going to clean up but then these people are in there because of you… It doesn't make any sense."

Yet Another Megadonor moves from Trump to DeSantis
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Hal Lambert Switches Support from Trump to DeSantis

PROVEN WHAT HE CAN DO"

Hal Lambert has known the DeSantis family since 2016. But it was after a recent dinner with Ron and Casey DeSantis that he made his decision to withdraw his support for Donald Trump. Spending time with the Florida governor and his wife, Lambert was unmistakably impressed.

"The media is spreading lies that Governor DeSantis should somehow be aloof and not good with people. That's completely untrue. Look at his record how he's served this country… His family is great, Casey is great. When I met them in Miami, all his friends from college baseball were there. He's really a normal guy who's proven what he can do. He's delivered in Florida, and that can be replicated around the country," Lambert says.

"I think we need a generational shift in the leadership of this country. How many baby boomer presidents are we going to have? No… it's time to move on to the next generation."

FIRST: FIX THE BORDER

The first issue Hal Lambert would like Ron DeSantis to address once he makes it into the Oval Office is the migration flow across the southern border.

"This has to stop. We are being invaded, there's no doubt about it. The border has to be closed, and it's really not that difficult to do. All it takes is the political will," Lambert says.

"Another important thing is that we have to get back to energy independence from an oil perspective. Oil is in everything that we use. Then we have to deal with the threats we face from other countries. The fact that we have the Chinese in Cuba and all over Latin America must be addressed. DeSantis knows about all these things and he has both the will and the ways to fix them."

According to Hal Lambert, there's no other Republican candidate that can match the popular Florida governor.

"If we want to win, it has to be DeSantis," he tells The Florida Standard.
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Ann Coulter Demolishes Trump on his indictment

Ann Coulter Despises Trump World

Much to my surprise, the documents Trump had spirited away to Mar-a-Lago were not cheesy souvenirs appealing to his juvenile sensibility, like Shaquille O'Neal's shoe or a picture with Kim Kardashian.

No, the documents he'd stuffed in Mar-a-Lago's ballroom, bathroom and shower (among other highly secure locations) included information about our nuclear weapons programs, the defense capabilities of the U.S. and other countries, potential vulnerabilities of the United States and its allies to military attack, and plans for possible retaliation.

As Trump's Attorney General Bill Barr said in an interview with "Fox News Sunday," these were "among the most sensitive secrets the country has."

Plans to attack Iran drawn up by the Pentagon are NOT as alleged in Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal five days after the indictment was released "newspapers, press clippings, letters, notes, cards, [and] photographs [gathered by President Trump]." (Good to see the Dominion lawsuit has forced Murdoch's companies to start being honest with conservatives!)

In another reminder that Trump defenders need to wait a beat before repeating his claims like trained seals, the government has Trump on audiotape boasting about how incredibly "secret" and "highly confidential" the documents are as he showed them off to people at his Bedminster Club. "As president I could have declassified it," he told the non-security-cleared person, "Now I can't, you know, but this is still a secret."

How many Republicans have sworn up and down that Trump had declassified all the papers he removed from the White House? Now he's on tape admitting that that was a lie.

Trump's excuses: "I declassified all of them! I complied with the Presidential Papers Act! It's a political hit job!" are not only false, but irrelevant to the obstruction of justice counts against him. You can be completely innocent of the underlying charge, but you still have to produce documents in response to a subpoena. If a grand jury requested it, you'd have to produce Shaquille O'Neal's shoe.

This is a basic requirement of Anglo-Saxon law. Otherwise, targets of investigations would fire up the shredding machines, evidence would disappear, and the legal system would grind to a halt.

Just last year, a lawyer in the U.K. was ordered to pay more than $700,000 for telling an IT manager to "burn" a message app in response to a search warrant for electronic communications. He wanted the messages destroyed for purely personal reasons, having nothing to do with the case.

But as an Above the Law column remarked at the time: "[H]ere's a free tip [to lawyers] that is guaranteed to make your practice better: don't tell clients to 'burn' evidence yes, even if the contents are potentially embarrassing."

Trump's argument that he had a right to hide these documents from the government is the equivalent of Democrats' "EVERYBODY DOES IT!" defense of Bill Clinton's perjury in the Paula Jones case. (Fine, you've convinced me: All Democrats engage in oral sex with interns young enough to be their daughters.)

Like Trump, Clinton thought the underlying lawsuit against him was a political hit job, nobody's business, his "private life." So he perjured himself dozens of times during his sworn deposition.

After a DNA-stained blue dress proved he'd lied under oath, every single Supreme Court justice boycotted Clinton's next state of the union address. They'd react the same way to Trump's obstruction today. You can't have a legal system if people lie under oath and defy subpoenas. It's unfathomable that a president or ex-president would do these things.

Clinton's criminal case ended with a deal. In exchange for not going to trial, he (finally) produced a "forthright admission that he gave false testimony under oath" as The Washington Post put it accepted a five year suspension of his law license, paid $25,000 in fees, and agreed not to request reimbursement of his legal fees. He also paid Paula Jones $850,000 and another $90,000 to her lawyers for contempt, described by The New York Times as "part of the unprecedented finding of contempt of court against a President of the United States by a Federal judge."

Trump's case could end with something like that, or it could end with a report, reciting his crimes, but declining to prosecute, as happened to Hillary.

But it won't, principally because prosecuting Trump helps Biden get reelected by revving up the Trump crazies, and with any luck winning him the nomination, rather than a sane person who could point out that Joe is visibly decomposing before our eyes, Kamala is an imbecile, and their combined track record is appalling.

Trump's argument isn't that he didn't do it, but deflection. What about Hillary? What about Hunter Biden? It's a double standard!

YOU DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW THERE WAS A DOUBLE STANDARD???

Any Republican who thought he could get away with doing something illegal because Democrats did it first is too stupid to be our champion, much less the Republican nominee for president.

You want to do something about the double standard, right-wingers? Run someone who enrages the left by winning, not by constantly creating legal messes benefiting no one but himself.
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TRM said:



WOW

that is huge news on so many levels. really praying that is true.

a DeSantis/Youngkin ticket would be very tough for Biden to beat. That wins Arizona and Georgia and puts Virginia into play.
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LMCane said:


Trump defenders need to wait a beat before repeating his claims like trained seals

Wait, Ann reads Texags?
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Charpie said:

That's actually the rule in most states. That's the way most OEM's like it, as well


Charpiestaph, you know the rule: "No interrupting the HerpDerps when they're herpin' and derpin'." Like when someone is sleepwalking.
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aggie93 said:

Damn he is articulate and makes his points effectively.





My God Desantis is such a boring, horrible speaker!

He kept going on about all these provable, verifiable facts and actual measures that he was able to get accomplished! Not once did he make an outageous promise that he was gonna accomplish something which he had every opportunity but failed to do the last time he was in office!

And not once did I hear him use the words "big" or "beautiful" or "best ever" or "most amazing in history"!

So boring and whiny!
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I see what you did there...
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This 1,000,000,000x

Quote:


"We can all agree that there have been massive disparities in the treatment of people, that we are in a situation where we have a two-tier justice system, for example… and yes, Trump has been treated badly. But that's not a reason to vote for someone. What we have to do is vote for the person who really can lead and implement the changes necessary," Lambert explains.

He emphasizes that Trump failed to deliver on many of his promises. No wall was built on the southern border. And Trump was the one who put destructive forces in positions of power, such as appointing Christopher Wray to lead the FBI.

"When you say you're going to clean up but then these people are in there because of you… It doesn't make any sense."


Trump voters are no different than the Democrat voters they rail against. They all vote on emotion.
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FL_Ag1998 said:

This 1,000,000,000x

Quote:


"We can all agree that there have been massive disparities in the treatment of people, that we are in a situation where we have a two-tier justice system, for example… and yes, Trump has been treated badly. But that's not a reason to vote for someone. What we have to do is vote for the person who really can lead and implement the changes necessary," Lambert explains.

He emphasizes that Trump failed to deliver on many of his promises. No wall was built on the southern border. And Trump was the one who put destructive forces in positions of power, such as appointing Christopher Wray to lead the FBI.

"When you say you're going to clean up but then these people are in there because of you… It doesn't make any sense."


Trump voters are no different than the Democrat voters they rail against. They all vote on emotion.
HE'S RIGHT YOU KNOW!

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The consequences of being effective. I believe there is truth to the premise that illegals are leaving Florida due to recent legislation. I wonder how hard "conservatives" will take it.

Not really suggesting clicking on the actual DailyKos article, but it's interesting to consider where this will go.


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