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He is a sane economic conservative unlike the Trump faction and De Santis factions of the Republican Party.

Right leaning on Economic policy.

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If you don't think DeSantis is an economic conservative you don't know much about DeSantis. He's a Founding Member of the Freedom Caucus and Florida is running on half of NY's budget with better results, tax cuts, and a massive surplus.

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I think he is an economic conservative. I dont think he is a sane economic conservative. I also think he is a hypocrite and operates with zero honor. The State of Florida made a deal with Disney to come to Central Florida. A prior holder of De Santis' office made that deal. De Santis is reneging on that deal in the name of far right wing political positions.

That is not sane economic conservatism. It is unethical. It is using his office to retaliate against an economic actor for exercising their first amendment rights to freedom of speech.

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He is a sane economic conservative unlike the Trump faction and De Santis factions of the Republican Party.

Right leaning on Economic policy.

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If you don't think DeSantis is an economic conservative you don't know much about DeSantis. He's a Founding Member of the Freedom Caucus and Florida is running on half of NY's budget with better results, tax cuts, and a massive surplus.

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I think he is an economic conservative. I dont think he is a sane economic conservative. I also think he is a hypocrite and operates with zero honor. The State of Florida made a deal with Disney to come to Central Florida. A prior holder of De Santis' office made that deal. De Santis is reneging on that deal in the name of far right wing political positions.

That is not economic conservatism.

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You're a corporatist.

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far right wing political positions.

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can you explain what those positions are exactly for someone who hasn't paid attention to DeSantis vs DIY?

I like him a lot. I'm not sure if enough GOP voters would support his religious views (Hindu)

I think they could get behind him if he can demonstrate clearly how he is going to fix this country. I sure as sh*t will.

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far right wing political positions.

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can you explain what those positions are exactly for someone who hasn't paid attention to DeSantis vs DIY?

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I don't think that discussion is relevant to this thread other than to say that Disney holding different political beliefs than those positions is clearly the impetus for DeSantis reacting in the manner he is reacting, as such, Vivek is a much better candidate. The strength of the government is based upon reliance of the veracity of it's institutions and reliance on the government maintaining its word......all levels of government.

If people lose faith in the government's ability and/or willingness to honor its commitments it is the beginning of the end.

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aggie93 said:

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Shaquile.Oatmeal said:

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He is a sane economic conservative unlike the Trump faction and De Santis factions of the Republican Party.

Right leaning on Economic policy.

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If you don't think DeSantis is an economic conservative you don't know much about DeSantis. He's a Founding Member of the Freedom Caucus and Florida is running on half of NY's budget with better results, tax cuts, and a massive surplus.

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I think he is an economic conservative. I dont think he is a sane economic conservative. I also think he is a hypocrite and operates with zero honor. The State of Florida made a deal with Disney to come to Central Florida. A prior holder of De Santis' office made that deal. De Santis is reneging on that deal in the name of far right wing political positions.

That is not sane economic conservatism. It is unethical. It is using his office to retaliate against an economic actor for exercising their first amendment rights to freedom of speech.

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If you want to go down that path (which is flawed because the People come before Corporations) you need to read up on HOW Disney came to be in the deal they have. It was based around Walt selling a concept of Epcot and a community that doesn't exist. The really fun stuff is how Disney literally involved former OSS/CIA folks to find and acquire the land and to make the original deal with the FL Legislature. It was supposed to have many, many things that are different than what Disney promised. The terms have also shifted over time.

Disney still has it's special district btw, the only difference is they don't have complete control over it and they have to abide by more rules that every other company in Florida (including those in special districts) have to abide by.

Ultimately though Disney got that deal based on being a good corporate citizen to the People of Florida and they have strayed from that. The People have the power and they decided to vote for their Reps to alter that deal to reflect how Disney had altered their promises as well. What's really comical is how Disney is trying to act like they are some innocent little business trying to survive when they are anything but that, the Disney of today also doesn't remotely resemble the one from the Mid 60s.

The reality as well is Disney is just a very small piece of the pie in FL. They have had more companies and wealth move there than any other state and by a wide margin. Texas is a distant 2nd. That's happening because he has created an environment businesses want to be a part of.

aggie93 said:

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aggie93 said:

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He is a sane economic conservative unlike the Trump faction and De Santis factions of the Republican Party.

Right leaning on Economic policy.

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If you don't think DeSantis is an economic conservative you don't know much about DeSantis. He's a Founding Member of the Freedom Caucus and Florida is running on half of NY's budget with better results, tax cuts, and a massive surplus.

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I think he is an economic conservative. I dont think he is a sane economic conservative. I also think he is a hypocrite and operates with zero honor. The State of Florida made a deal with Disney to come to Central Florida. A prior holder of De Santis' office made that deal. De Santis is reneging on that deal in the name of far right wing political positions.

That is not sane economic conservatism. It is unethical. It is using his office to retaliate against an economic actor for exercising their first amendment rights to freedom of speech.

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If you want to go down that path (which is flawed because the People come before Corporations) you need to read up on HOW Disney came to be in the deal they have. It was based around Walt selling a concept of Epcot and a community that doesn't exist. The really fun stuff is how Disney literally involved former OSS/CIA folks to find and acquire the land and to make the original deal with the FL Legislature. It was supposed to have many, many things that are different than what Disney promised. The terms have also shifted over time.

Disney still has it's special district btw, the only difference is they don't have complete control over it and they have to abide by more rules that every other company in Florida (including those in special districts) have to abide by.

Ultimately though Disney got that deal based on being a good corporate citizen to the People of Florida and they have strayed from that. The People have the power and they decided to vote for their Reps to alter that deal to reflect how Disney had altered their promises as well. What's really comical is how Disney is trying to act like they are some innocent little business trying to survive when they are anything but that, the Disney of today also doesn't remotely resemble the one from the Mid 60s.

The reality as well is Disney is just a very small piece of the pie in FL. They have had more companies and wealth move there than any other state and by a wide margin. Texas is a distant 2nd. That's happening because he has created an environment businesses want to be a part of.

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Does any of this (whether or not it is true and I dont have time to fact check right now) have to do with DeSantis retaliating against Disney for exercising their political views?

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He is a sane economic conservative unlike the Trump faction and De Santis factions of the Republican Party.

Right leaning on Economic policy.

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Facts not in evidence.

Vote for him in the primary if you want. I will vote for Ron.

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Does any of this (whether or not it is true and I dont have time to fact check right now) have to do with DeSantis retaliating against Disney for exercising their political views?

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Name one thing Florida or DeSantis has done to the Disney Corporation.

Not Reedy Creek Improvement District but actually Disney?

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My coworker just introduced me to Vivek, a possible presidential republican candidate. From the little I've read and seen some clips of his, I find him impressive.

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Ramaswamy studied molecular biology at Harvard University, where he graduated magna cum laude in 2007. He also received a J.D. from Yale Law School in 2011. In 2014, he founded Roivant Sciences, a biopharmaceutical company. In 2017, he authored the book "Woke, Inc.: Inside Corporate America's Social Justice Scam," in which he critiqued what he perceives as the corporate embrace of "wokeness" and its potential negative impact on free speech and open debate.

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This guy is a millionaire and under 40. He has some clips of his views on his twitter
https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

I'm an engineer for a private upstream oil and gas, and its nice to hear someone have common sense on domestic energy production..... Nuclear Energy. I like him better than Trump and Desantis. Plus he's a minority like me wahooo!

You trump lovers check this dude out!

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He's a stud. Excellent communicator and out of the box conservative ideas that are counter cultural to the swamp.

If Professor Chalk thinks that Vivek Ramaswamy is a good guy, then something is seriously wrong with Ramaswamy.

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aggie93 said:

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aggie93 said:

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He is a sane economic conservative unlike the Trump faction and De Santis factions of the Republican Party.

Right leaning on Economic policy.

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If you don't think DeSantis is an economic conservative you don't know much about DeSantis. He's a Founding Member of the Freedom Caucus and Florida is running on half of NY's budget with better results, tax cuts, and a massive surplus.

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I think he is an economic conservative. I dont think he is a sane economic conservative. I also think he is a hypocrite and operates with zero honor. The State of Florida made a deal with Disney to come to Central Florida. A prior holder of De Santis' office made that deal. De Santis is reneging on that deal in the name of far right wing political positions.

That is not sane economic conservatism. It is unethical. It is using his office to retaliate against an economic actor for exercising their first amendment rights to freedom of speech.

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If you want to go down that path (which is flawed because the People come before Corporations) you need to read up on HOW Disney came to be in the deal they have. It was based around Walt selling a concept of Epcot and a community that doesn't exist. The really fun stuff is how Disney literally involved former OSS/CIA folks to find and acquire the land and to make the original deal with the FL Legislature. It was supposed to have many, many things that are different than what Disney promised. The terms have also shifted over time.

Disney still has it's special district btw, the only difference is they don't have complete control over it and they have to abide by more rules that every other company in Florida (including those in special districts) have to abide by.

Ultimately though Disney got that deal based on being a good corporate citizen to the People of Florida and they have strayed from that. The People have the power and they decided to vote for their Reps to alter that deal to reflect how Disney had altered their promises as well. What's really comical is how Disney is trying to act like they are some innocent little business trying to survive when they are anything but that, the Disney of today also doesn't remotely resemble the one from the Mid 60s.

The reality as well is Disney is just a very small piece of the pie in FL. They have had more companies and wealth move there than any other state and by a wide margin. Texas is a distant 2nd. That's happening because he has created an environment businesses want to be a part of.

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Does any of this (whether or not it is true and I dont have time to fact check right now) have to do with DeSantis retaliating against Disney for exercising their political views?

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Yes, because if it was purely about political views against DeSantis he would never have been able to do it. There are a LOT of people in Florida who have been upset with how Disney tries to bully the State and that they have so many special privileges. This was much more of a last straw than anything. It also certainly matters though that this isn't just a minor issue, this is Disney spending millions to try to stop legislation that allows parents to know what their kids are being taught and to stop sexualizing Elementary School kids. That's not exactly in line with what Disney promised to do as a family friendly business. It's seen as a betrayal of those promises.

If you get special rights as a business based on promises understand those special rights can be taken away if you don't live up to them.

BTW, this is exactly what I mean about Vivek. He KNOWS what is going on but he is misleading people like this. That's really rubbing me the wrong way. There are so many legitimate issues to discuss but undercutting DeSantis on this is not only a cheap shot it's counterproductive to his messaging of trying to stop companies involved with ESG. It makes no logical sense for him to have that as a major platform and then also side with Disney here.

Ramaswamy is running to be Trump's VP so he'll hit DeSantis to gain Trump's favor.

Having conservative, articulate, intelligent folks like him on the ticket should be the norm instead of the exception.

How in the hell do we wind up - in a country with men like him running - voting between two geriatric carnival barkers?

Thanks, Vegas!

I brought it up hoping someone had accurate information.

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My coworker just introduced me to Vivek, a possible presidential republican candidate. From the little I've read and seen some clips of his, I find him impressive.

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Ramaswamy studied molecular biology at Harvard University, where he graduated magna cum laude in 2007. He also received a J.D. from Yale Law School in 2011. In 2014, he founded Roivant Sciences, a biopharmaceutical company. In 2017, he authored the book "Woke, Inc.: Inside Corporate America's Social Justice Scam," in which he critiqued what he perceives as the corporate embrace of "wokeness" and its potential negative impact on free speech and open debate.

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This guy is a millionaire and under 40. He has some clips of his views on his twitter
https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

I'm an engineer for a private upstream oil and gas, and its nice to hear someone have common sense on domestic energy production..... Nuclear Energy. I like him better than Trump and Desantis. Plus he's a minority like me wahooo!

You trump lovers check this dude out!

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You mean not white lol. That's all y'all care about isn't it?

I said that in jest. I don't care about skin color. But honestly it would help conservatives gain traction. I mean if he was a serious contender, he'd have a huge pull on Asian Americans (Indian, Korean, Vietnamese, Chinese, probably Arabs too ). A lot of those cultures are family first, work hard and get your kids to college. The far left is bent on destroying the family unit. Although this is unfortunate, but if they had a non white candidate that isn't about all the crazy lgtbq, far left indoctrination, they'd vote that way for them. 0.02.

Hopefully he makes it to the primaries for debate. Must watch TV!

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I said that in jest. I don't care about skin color. But honestly it would help conservatives gain traction. I mean if he was a serious contender, he'd have a huge pull on Asian Americans (Indian, Korean, Vietnamese, Chinese, probably Arabs too ). A lot of those cultures are family first, work hard and get your kids to college. The far left is bent on destroying the family unit. Although this is unfortunate, but if they had a non white candidate that isn't about all the crazy lgtbq, far left indoctrination, they'd vote that way for them. 0.02.

Hopefully he makes it to the primaries for debate. Must watch TV!

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Said it after a day bud, I actually agreed with a lot of your post and Vivek. Just see that and think what if I made the same comment. Who gives a **** is where we as Americans should be at this point. You're an Aggie not a minority. Just like the Korean Aggie thing. No, that's just an Aggie.

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far right wing political positions.

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can you explain what those positions are exactly for someone who hasn't paid attention to DeSantis vs DIY?

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I don't think that discussion is relevant to this thread

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so you won't or can't explain what's so far right wing about DeSantis political positions?

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Does any of this (whether or not it is true and I dont have time to fact check right now) have to do with DeSantis retaliating against Disney for exercising their political views?

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Name one thing Florida or DeSantis has done to the Disney Corporation.

Not Reedy Creek Improvement District but actually Disney?

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Retaliate against Disney for having different political views than his own. The district was given to Disney to control as an incentive to come to Florida.

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so you won't or can't explain what's so far right wing about DeSantis political positions?

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Start a new thread about whether or not DeSantis has far right wing political positions and I will answer there.

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And what was Disney supposed to build there in Florida? (Hint: It wasn't a theme park.)

Steve Deace gave him a pretty tough interview last week.

Start at about the 50:00 min mark.




Personally I like almost everything he says, but I'm not sold on his motives. Something seems a little too fishy about how tough he is on DeSantis. Just my current assessment. I'm willing to keep an open mind.

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far right wing political positions.

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can you explain what those positions are exactly for someone who hasn't paid attention to DeSantis vs DIY?

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I don't think that discussion is relevant to this thread

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so you won't or can't explain what's so far right wing about DeSantis political positions?

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you said it in this thread and can't answer why you said it in this thread?

"A prior holder of De Santis' office made that deal. De Santis is reneging on that deal in the name of far right wing political positions."

Explain the "far" part, please.

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I imagine it is, but I still feel it's relevant when evaluating him. I personally believe he's Trump's hatchetman. His goal is to get on the debates and go after Desantis and provide Trump cover.

I admit I haven't looked at his comments lately, but he hadn't been criticizing Trump at all, but was attacking Desantis regularly.

This doesn't mean I hate him or anything. Just believe he's more of an unknown than anyone. I'd take a chance on him over Pence or Nicky though lol.

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I discount the relevance based on everything I've heard him say over the last few months.

I haven't really noticed the Trump's hatchet man angle, but I guess that will clear up as we go along. It's certainly possible.

He's definitely better than Pence or Nicky.

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I know. I know. It's the RS, but just updating this.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-desantis-vivek-ramaswamy-secret-weapon-1234740835/

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In his battle against Ron DeSantis for the 2024 nomination, Donald Trump and his allies believe they've found a new weapon in their effort to bury the Florida governor.
His name is Vivek Ramaswamy, a 37-year-old "anti-woke" entrepreneur and one of the longshot 2024 Republican contenders who vows to be even Trumpier than Trump.
The explanation for the former president's interest in Ramaswamy's campaign is simple: The insurgent candidate has spent much of his run for office trashing Trump's top rival, DeSantis. As Ramaswamy's poll numbers and standing in the primary have risen a bit in recent weeks, so has Trump's interest. The former president has praised him both publicly and privately, offered encouragement for his White House bid, and has even told Ramaswamy how good-looking he is.
When asked how Trumpland generally views the former president's boosting of Vivek 2024, one Trump adviser bluntly tells Rolling Stone that "of course" it's a "total rat****" against DeSantis.

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Ramaswamy wrote in "Woke Inc." that when he first met Shkreli, he found him "brilliant" and that he was "a little envious." Ramaswamy also criticized prosecutors who went after him, saying that the case was "murky."

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Running on dismantling the FBI, CIA, Homeland, etc....

Also promotes that 18-25 year olds must "Earn" their right to vote by passing a basic civics test or serving in the military.

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Wow. Yep bring him along and prepare him for 2032

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Running on dismantling the FBI, CIA, Homeland, etc....

Also promotes that 18-25 year olds must "Earn" their right to vote by passing a basic civics test or serving in the military.

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Wow. Yep bring him along and prepare him for 2032

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Again, I really appreciate what he has to say, I just want people to understand what he is. Trump wants him on the debate stage bigly.

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can you explain what those positions are exactly for someone who hasn't paid attention to DeSantis vs DIY?

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I don't think that discussion is relevant to this thread

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so you won't or can't explain what's so far right wing about DeSantis political positions?

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Start a new thread about whether or not DeSantis has far right wing political positions and I will answer there.

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I looked at your posting history. Anybody that looks you up will indeed know how you will answer.

Jimmy Carter would be far right to you based on all the foam you left on the floor after losing it regarding Fox and Tucker Carlson. For example

Vivek Ramaswamy comes out in support of trans rights, saying he will not ban them from the U.S. military. pic.twitter.com/tpd1owIpoO

— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) June 4, 2023

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Running on dismantling the FBI, CIA, Homeland, etc....

Also promotes that 18-25 year olds must "Earn" their right to vote by passing a basic civics test or serving in the military.

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Not sure that's constitutional.

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Not sure that's constitutional.

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Second part is pretty iffy Constitutionaly, first part is fine. Any of it will require Congress though realistically and would be extremely difficult.

That's one of the issues with Vivek is he either doesn't understand what you need to do to govern or he is intentionally lying to suck in people that are ignorant. Either one is bad, the second is worse.

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Running on dismantling the FBI, CIA, Homeland, etc....

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Not sure that's constitutional.

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Second part is pretty iffy Constitutionaly, first part is fine. Any of it will require Congress though realistically and would be extremely difficult.

That's one of the issues with Vivek is he either doesn't understand what you need to do to govern or he is intentionally lying to suck in people that are ignorant. Either one is bad, the second is worse.

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Making a "knowledge" requirement to vote won't fly.