The news media deserves open, brazen, hostility.

They are a huge contributor to the position we are in.

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This Ted Cruz would have WON the Republican primary in 2016

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That was Ted Cruz in 2016, sorry you weren't paying attention.

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You are insufferable. Todays Ted Cruz is NOT the 2016 Ted Cruz!

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I've been a Cruz guy since before he ran for Senate, he's the same guy today as he always was. He has no problem attacking Democrats or the media and he keeps it to facts and strong arguments. The difference is he doesn't get nasty and personal against other Republicans like Trump does. That was why it was so frustrating folks picked Trump over him at the time. Cruz is one of the most intelligent elected officials in government. Unfortunately he isn't good looking and he has a bit of an off putting style and a lot of folks can't look past it.

Cruz and Trump through most of the primaries played nice with each other. It was in their best interest to do so.

Then later there was the famous quote of Trump saying Mexico is sending rapists and murderers. Everyone had Trump dead after that. It was the old leftist playbook - the next day was Trump calls all Mexicans rapists and murderers! He has to apologize!

Cruz instead of correcting the media like he just did in the OP he DENOUNCED Trump for what he said!

The media really ate this up and this surely was going to end Trump finally.

Trump not following the old Republican playbook of apologizing doubled down on it and said he meant what he said!

That was a turning point for Cruz. He lost support after that.
Had he handled it like in the clip posted he likely would have won. It's just that simple!

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I love Cruz. Smart, conservative, and unafraid to push back.

Not sure what would be better, Cruz as a member of the SCOTUS or as POTUS.

Liberal heads explode around the nation.

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Cruz needs to stay right where he is. He just got Ranking on Commerce and in the next 25 years he will be Chair of Rules and Judiciary and able to do some incredible things with his work ethic and legal mind combined with his conservative values. Maybe run for Majority Leader at some point.

I would have been fine if he had taken either job in 2017 but now Cruz is finally getting some seniority in the Senate and he is going to be very effective making laws as he is finally getting some real power instead of just being a Junior Senator that can basically just make speeches and propose bills.

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This Ted Cruz would have WON the Republican primary in 2016

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That was Ted Cruz in 2016, sorry you weren't paying attention.

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You are insufferable. Todays Ted Cruz is NOT the 2016 Ted Cruz!

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I've been a Cruz guy since before he ran for Senate, he's the same guy today as he always was. He has no problem attacking Democrats or the media and he keeps it to facts and strong arguments. The difference is he doesn't get nasty and personal against other Republicans like Trump does. That was why it was so frustrating folks picked Trump over him at the time. Cruz is one of the most intelligent elected officials in government. Unfortunately he isn't good looking and he has a bit of an off putting style and a lot of folks can't look past it.

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Seriously you think you are the only Cruz supporter and expert on him?

You say he doesn't attack other Republicans! LOL
He is hated by many Republicans in Congress.

I think it was during his first Senate run GW Bush at a big donor fundraiser called Cruz an Ass.

Go back and listen to his speech on the Senate floor right after he was first elected. He broke decorum and bashed McConnell like has never been done before or since! He called him a liar.
It was glorious!

Everyone that follows Cruz says he's learned a lot from Trump in how to deal with people who criticize him or go after him.
He's not the same as he was before and most agree that it's a good thing.

I sure would like to see him as a VP candidate.

more and more words and no action. theres never any action.

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I'm just gonna say it. Cruz would have been better as POTUS than Trump.

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No *****

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more and more words and no action. theres never any action.

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What do you think Ted Cruz can do?

He's in the Senate. Schumer runs the Senate and McConnell is the minority leader.

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This Ted Cruz would have WON the Republican primary in 2016

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That was Ted Cruz in 2016, sorry you weren't paying attention.

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You are insufferable. Todays Ted Cruz is NOT the 2016 Ted Cruz!

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I've been a Cruz guy since before he ran for Senate, he's the same guy today as he always was. He has no problem attacking Democrats or the media and he keeps it to facts and strong arguments. The difference is he doesn't get nasty and personal against other Republicans like Trump does. That was why it was so frustrating folks picked Trump over him at the time. Cruz is one of the most intelligent elected officials in government. Unfortunately he isn't good looking and he has a bit of an off putting style and a lot of folks can't look past it.

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Seriously you think you are the only Cruz supporter and expert on him?

You say he doesn't attack other Republicans! LOL
He is hated by many Republicans in Congress.
Go back and listen to his speech on the Senate floor right after he was first elected. He broke decorum and bashed McConnell like has never been done before or since! He called him a liar.
It was glorious!

Everyone that follows Cruz says he's learned a lot from Trump in how to deal with people who criticize him or go after him.
He's not the same as he was before and most agree that it's a good thing.

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I just don't see anything different about Cruz today than I did then, he's the same guy just has a beard and is a little more experienced. Hasn't changed on any issue of note.

His attacks on McConnell have to do with fighting the Swamp and he definitely is hated by the Establishment wing. Fair enough that that was against a Republican but he had issues with McConnell after about 5 minutes serving in the Senate.

That's not why he lost in 2016 though. He lost because he didn't attack Trump forcefully in the campaign and tried to have a reasonable conversation. He didn't grasp why Trump was attacking him personally and lying about him continually when they had such similar policy positions. There were a lot of moments of that campaign that looked like scenes from Idiocracy where Cruz was making passionate fact based arguments and Trump would just go "LYYYYINNN TED!!!!" More importantly Rubio and Kasich stayed in long after they were toast and allowed Trump to win a lot of primaries that would almost certainly have gone to Cruz. Trump also refused to do a 1v1 Debate with Cruz because Cruz would have absolutely destroyed him.

If you see Cruz as some different guy I can't disprove your feelings but he really hasn't changed much to me, same guy I always thought was one of the best conservative politicians in my lifetime.

its always the same. republicans talking will never get anything done.

I kept waiting on the CBP guy to raise his hands and shout AMEN!

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This Ted Cruz would have WON the Republican primary in 2016

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That was Ted Cruz in 2016, sorry you weren't paying attention.

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You are insufferable. Todays Ted Cruz is NOT the 2016 Ted Cruz!

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I've been a Cruz guy since before he ran for Senate, he's the same guy today as he always was. He has no problem attacking Democrats or the media and he keeps it to facts and strong arguments. The difference is he doesn't get nasty and personal against other Republicans like Trump does. That was why it was so frustrating folks picked Trump over him at the time. Cruz is one of the most intelligent elected officials in government. Unfortunately he isn't good looking and he has a bit of an off putting style and a lot of folks can't look past it.

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Seriously you think you are the only Cruz supporter and expert on him?

You say he doesn't attack other Republicans! LOL
He is hated by many Republicans in Congress.
Go back and listen to his speech on the Senate floor right after he was first elected. He broke decorum and bashed McConnell like has never been done before or since! He called him a liar.
It was glorious!

Everyone that follows Cruz says he's learned a lot from Trump in how to deal with people who criticize him or go after him.
He's not the same as he was before and most agree that it's a good thing.

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I just don't see anything different about Cruz today than I did then, he's the same guy just has a beard and is a little more experienced. Hasn't changed on any issue of note.

His attacks on McConnell have to do with fighting the Swamp and he definitely is hated by the Establishment wing. Fair enough that that was against a Republican but he had issues with McConnell after about 5 minutes serving in the Senate.

That's not why he lost in 2016 though. He lost because he didn't attack Trump forcefully in the campaign and tried to have a reasonable conversation. He didn't grasp why Trump was attacking him personally and lying about him continually when they had such similar policy positions. There were a lot of moments of that campaign that looked like scenes from Idiocracy where Cruz was making passionate fact based arguments and Trump would just go "LYYYYINNN TED!!!!" More importantly Rubio and Kasich stayed in long after they were toast and allowed Trump to win a lot of primaries that would almost certainly have gone to Cruz. Trump also refused to do a 1v1 Debate with Cruz because Cruz would have absolutely destroyed him.

If you see Cruz as some different guy I can't disprove your feelings but he really hasn't changed much to me, same guy I always thought was one of the best conservative politicians in my lifetime.

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I'm trying to remember we are on the same team.

I never said Cruz has changed on his policy issues. I said he's different than 2016 - it's how he handles the media, social media, interviews, and people criticizing him in general. He has greatly improved since 2016.

I disagree as to why he lost. It handled things the way he does now he would have won. I'm not sure he wins the general though.

When Ted denounced Trump over the Mexico comments that was a turning point. It was gloves off at that point. It was wrong to agree with the media's lies of what Trump actually said. To this day they still treat that lie as the truth! He lost support from many after that. When Trump doubled down people said finally someone says something and doesn't wrongly apologize for something that is a lie!

Ted's early VP choice was also not a plus by any means!

Reporter is a Goebbels-like lackey. Someone needs to get him an armband.

You insufferable Ted Cruz expert you, with your facts and logic!

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This Ted Cruz would have WON the Republican primary in 2016

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That was Ted Cruz in 2016, sorry you weren't paying attention.

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You are insufferable. Todays Ted Cruz is NOT the 2016 Ted Cruz!

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I've been a Cruz guy since before he ran for Senate, he's the same guy today as he always was. He has no problem attacking Democrats or the media and he keeps it to facts and strong arguments. The difference is he doesn't get nasty and personal against other Republicans like Trump does. That was why it was so frustrating folks picked Trump over him at the time. Cruz is one of the most intelligent elected officials in government. Unfortunately he isn't good looking and he has a bit of an off putting style and a lot of folks can't look past it.

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Seriously you think you are the only Cruz supporter and expert on him?

You say he doesn't attack other Republicans! LOL
He is hated by many Republicans in Congress.
Go back and listen to his speech on the Senate floor right after he was first elected. He broke decorum and bashed McConnell like has never been done before or since! He called him a liar.
It was glorious!

Everyone that follows Cruz says he's learned a lot from Trump in how to deal with people who criticize him or go after him.
He's not the same as he was before and most agree that it's a good thing.

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I just don't see anything different about Cruz today than I did then, he's the same guy just has a beard and is a little more experienced. Hasn't changed on any issue of note.

His attacks on McConnell have to do with fighting the Swamp and he definitely is hated by the Establishment wing. Fair enough that that was against a Republican but he had issues with McConnell after about 5 minutes serving in the Senate.

That's not why he lost in 2016 though. He lost because he didn't attack Trump forcefully in the campaign and tried to have a reasonable conversation. He didn't grasp why Trump was attacking him personally and lying about him continually when they had such similar policy positions. There were a lot of moments of that campaign that looked like scenes from Idiocracy where Cruz was making passionate fact based arguments and Trump would just go "LYYYYINNN TED!!!!" More importantly Rubio and Kasich stayed in long after they were toast and allowed Trump to win a lot of primaries that would almost certainly have gone to Cruz. Trump also refused to do a 1v1 Debate with Cruz because Cruz would have absolutely destroyed him.

If you see Cruz as some different guy I can't disprove your feelings but he really hasn't changed much to me, same guy I always thought was one of the best conservative politicians in my lifetime.

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I'm trying to remember we are on the same team.

I never said Cruz has changed on his policy issues. I said he's different than 2016 - it's how he handles the media, social media, interviews, and people criticizing him in general. He has greatly improved since 2016.

I disagree as to why he lost. It handled things the way he does now he would have won. I'm not sure he wins the general though.

When Ted denounced Trump over the Mexico comments that was a turning point. It was gloves off at that point. It was wrong to agree with the media's lies of what Trump actually said. To this day they still treat that lie as the truth! He lost support from many after that. When Trump doubled down people said finally someone says something and doesn't wrongly apologize for something that is a lie!

Ted's early VP choice was also not a plus by any means!

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We can agree on the early VP choice for sure, that was the nail in the coffin for Cruz as it was a desperation move and a terrible choice at that based on one debate performance.

One other factor was definitely that the media was giving Trump all the oxygen. He was getting double the coverage of all the other candidates combined. They desperately wanted him to win because they thought Hillary would crush him.

As for the rest we'll just agree to disagree. I think it's just a more experienced Cruz and a different light you are seeing him through but if you think it was Trump taking him under his wing and shaping him somehow that's fine. We all see what we see. I just like the guy now and I liked him then and all the way back.

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This Ted Cruz would have WON the Republican primary in 2016

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That was Ted Cruz in 2016, sorry you weren't paying attention.

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You are insufferable. Todays Ted Cruz is NOT the 2016 Ted Cruz!

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I've been a Cruz guy since before he ran for Senate, he's the same guy today as he always was. He has no problem attacking Democrats or the media and he keeps it to facts and strong arguments. The difference is he doesn't get nasty and personal against other Republicans like Trump does. That was why it was so frustrating folks picked Trump over him at the time. Cruz is one of the most intelligent elected officials in government. Unfortunately he isn't good looking and he has a bit of an off putting style and a lot of folks can't look past it.

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Seriously you think you are the only Cruz supporter and expert on him?

You say he doesn't attack other Republicans! LOL
He is hated by many Republicans in Congress.
Go back and listen to his speech on the Senate floor right after he was first elected. He broke decorum and bashed McConnell like has never been done before or since! He called him a liar.
It was glorious!

Everyone that follows Cruz says he's learned a lot from Trump in how to deal with people who criticize him or go after him.
He's not the same as he was before and most agree that it's a good thing.

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I just don't see anything different about Cruz today than I did then, he's the same guy just has a beard and is a little more experienced. Hasn't changed on any issue of note.

His attacks on McConnell have to do with fighting the Swamp and he definitely is hated by the Establishment wing. Fair enough that that was against a Republican but he had issues with McConnell after about 5 minutes serving in the Senate.

That's not why he lost in 2016 though. He lost because he didn't attack Trump forcefully in the campaign and tried to have a reasonable conversation. He didn't grasp why Trump was attacking him personally and lying about him continually when they had such similar policy positions. There were a lot of moments of that campaign that looked like scenes from Idiocracy where Cruz was making passionate fact based arguments and Trump would just go "LYYYYINNN TED!!!!" More importantly Rubio and Kasich stayed in long after they were toast and allowed Trump to win a lot of primaries that would almost certainly have gone to Cruz. Trump also refused to do a 1v1 Debate with Cruz because Cruz would have absolutely destroyed him.

If you see Cruz as some different guy I can't disprove your feelings but he really hasn't changed much to me, same guy I always thought was one of the best conservative politicians in my lifetime.

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I'm trying to remember we are on the same team.

I never said Cruz has changed on his policy issues. I said he's different than 2016 - it's how he handles the media, social media, interviews, and people criticizing him in general. He has greatly improved since 2016.

I disagree as to why he lost. It handled things the way he does now he would have won. I'm not sure he wins the general though.

When Ted denounced Trump over the Mexico comments that was a turning point. It was gloves off at that point. It was wrong to agree with the media's lies of what Trump actually said. To this day they still treat that lie as the truth! He lost support from many after that. When Trump doubled down people said finally someone says something and doesn't wrongly apologize for something that is a lie!

Ted's early VP choice was also not a plus by any means!

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We can agree on the early VP choice for sure, that was the nail in the coffin for Cruz as it was a desperation move and a terrible choice at that based on one debate performance.

One other factor was definitely that the media was giving Trump all the oxygen. He was getting double the coverage of all the other candidates combined. They desperately wanted him to win because they thought Hillary would crush him.

As for the rest we'll just agree to disagree. I think it's just a more experienced Cruz and a different light you are seeing him through but if you think it was Trump taking him under his wing and shaping him somehow that's fine. We all see what we see. I just like the guy now and I liked him then and all the way back.

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He has never allowed Trump to take him under his wing and should not - where do you get this stuff from it's ridiculous.

He learned from Trump in how to deal with the lefts age old tricks. It's amazing for someone that has followed him so long can't see how he improved his public likability.

I have respected him more for seeing Trumps actions and fighting the establishment. He set aside personal issues that he had every right to be upset about and moved forward in what he believed was best for the country. Not many people could do that as well as he has. He was one of the few Republicans not backstabbing the voters for Trumps first 2 years!

Ted is an excellent debater, etc. and dresses people down with the best of them.

I know this will come across as a knock directed specifically at him and wish it wouldn't, but we need action with tangible and dramatic results from someone - ANYONE (and preferably many).

This administration and the people supporting/backing them are steamrolling what America was built on and (at least used to) stand for.

Meanwhile most Americans (on both sides) are too busy picking and committing to their arguing points and trenching in with their preferred candidate(s) to bother coming together. As has been said before, it is us against them. They don't give a rip about any of us regardless of where we lie on the political spectrum.

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This Ted Cruz would have WON the Republican primary in 2016

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That was Ted Cruz in 2016, sorry you weren't paying attention.

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You are insufferable. Todays Ted Cruz is NOT the 2016 Ted Cruz!

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I've been a Cruz guy since before he ran for Senate, he's the same guy today as he always was. He has no problem attacking Democrats or the media and he keeps it to facts and strong arguments. The difference is he doesn't get nasty and personal against other Republicans like Trump does. That was why it was so frustrating folks picked Trump over him at the time. Cruz is one of the most intelligent elected officials in government. Unfortunately he isn't good looking and he has a bit of an off putting style and a lot of folks can't look past it.

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Seriously you think you are the only Cruz supporter and expert on him?

You say he doesn't attack other Republicans! LOL
He is hated by many Republicans in Congress.
Go back and listen to his speech on the Senate floor right after he was first elected. He broke decorum and bashed McConnell like has never been done before or since! He called him a liar.
It was glorious!

Everyone that follows Cruz says he's learned a lot from Trump in how to deal with people who criticize him or go after him.
He's not the same as he was before and most agree that it's a good thing.

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I just don't see anything different about Cruz today than I did then, he's the same guy just has a beard and is a little more experienced. Hasn't changed on any issue of note.

His attacks on McConnell have to do with fighting the Swamp and he definitely is hated by the Establishment wing. Fair enough that that was against a Republican but he had issues with McConnell after about 5 minutes serving in the Senate.

That's not why he lost in 2016 though. He lost because he didn't attack Trump forcefully in the campaign and tried to have a reasonable conversation. He didn't grasp why Trump was attacking him personally and lying about him continually when they had such similar policy positions. There were a lot of moments of that campaign that looked like scenes from Idiocracy where Cruz was making passionate fact based arguments and Trump would just go "LYYYYINNN TED!!!!" More importantly Rubio and Kasich stayed in long after they were toast and allowed Trump to win a lot of primaries that would almost certainly have gone to Cruz. Trump also refused to do a 1v1 Debate with Cruz because Cruz would have absolutely destroyed him.

If you see Cruz as some different guy I can't disprove your feelings but he really hasn't changed much to me, same guy I always thought was one of the best conservative politicians in my lifetime.

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I'm trying to remember we are on the same team.

I never said Cruz has changed on his policy issues. I said he's different than 2016 - it's how he handles the media, social media, interviews, and people criticizing him in general. He has greatly improved since 2016.

I disagree as to why he lost. It handled things the way he does now he would have won. I'm not sure he wins the general though.

When Ted denounced Trump over the Mexico comments that was a turning point. It was gloves off at that point. It was wrong to agree with the media's lies of what Trump actually said. To this day they still treat that lie as the truth! He lost support from many after that. When Trump doubled down people said finally someone says something and doesn't wrongly apologize for something that is a lie!

Ted's early VP choice was also not a plus by any means!

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We can agree on the early VP choice for sure, that was the nail in the coffin for Cruz as it was a desperation move and a terrible choice at that based on one debate performance.

One other factor was definitely that the media was giving Trump all the oxygen. He was getting double the coverage of all the other candidates combined. They desperately wanted him to win because they thought Hillary would crush him.

As for the rest we'll just agree to disagree. I think it's just a more experienced Cruz and a different light you are seeing him through but if you think it was Trump taking him under his wing and shaping him somehow that's fine. We all see what we see. I just like the guy now and I liked him then and all the way back.

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He has never allowed Trump to take him under his wing and should not where do you get this stuff from. He learned from Trump in how to deal with the lefts age old tricks. It's amazing for someone that has followed him so long can't see how he improved his public likability.

I have respected him more for seeing Trumps actions and fighting the establishment. He set aside personal issues that he had every right to be upset about and moved forward in what he believed was best for the country. Not many people could do that as well as he has. He was one of the few Republicans not backstabbing the voters for Trumps first 2 years!

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Out of curiosity, what will your reaction be if Cruz were to endorse DeSantis? I honestly have no idea what he will do though with Chip Roy being a huge DeSantis guy and Cruz's former Chief of Staff it makes me wonder. To me it wouldn't affect my feelings toward Cruz either way too much though I think DeSantis seems a much more natural fit for him (and he didn't call his wife ugly).

It just seems like you are one of the most die hard Trump folks here and I don't think I have seen you criticize him on anything while you defend everything he does or says pretty forcefully. I'm sure you think the same of me with DeSantis and that's fine but I go out of my way to find things about Trump to complement him on. DeSantis doesn't really make a lot of big mistakes in general he just doesn't have some of Trump's strengths in terms of the emotional appeal and star power, Trump is unique in that.

If the Dems and the propaganda machine hadn't blocked Trump's border wall (the biggest American voter mandate that got him elected) - there would be literally zero crisis at the border.

For less than $50Billion we could have saved many multiples of that in terms of the resources being stolen by the invasion

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This Ted Cruz would have WON the Republican primary in 2016

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That was Ted Cruz in 2016, sorry you weren't paying attention.

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You are insufferable. Todays Ted Cruz is NOT the 2016 Ted Cruz!

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I've been a Cruz guy since before he ran for Senate, he's the same guy today as he always was. He has no problem attacking Democrats or the media and he keeps it to facts and strong arguments. The difference is he doesn't get nasty and personal against other Republicans like Trump does. That was why it was so frustrating folks picked Trump over him at the time. Cruz is one of the most intelligent elected officials in government. Unfortunately he isn't good looking and he has a bit of an off putting style and a lot of folks can't look past it.

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Seriously you think you are the only Cruz supporter and expert on him?

You say he doesn't attack other Republicans! LOL
He is hated by many Republicans in Congress.
Go back and listen to his speech on the Senate floor right after he was first elected. He broke decorum and bashed McConnell like has never been done before or since! He called him a liar.
It was glorious!

Everyone that follows Cruz says he's learned a lot from Trump in how to deal with people who criticize him or go after him.
He's not the same as he was before and most agree that it's a good thing.

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I just don't see anything different about Cruz today than I did then, he's the same guy just has a beard and is a little more experienced. Hasn't changed on any issue of note.

His attacks on McConnell have to do with fighting the Swamp and he definitely is hated by the Establishment wing. Fair enough that that was against a Republican but he had issues with McConnell after about 5 minutes serving in the Senate.

That's not why he lost in 2016 though. He lost because he didn't attack Trump forcefully in the campaign and tried to have a reasonable conversation. He didn't grasp why Trump was attacking him personally and lying about him continually when they had such similar policy positions. There were a lot of moments of that campaign that looked like scenes from Idiocracy where Cruz was making passionate fact based arguments and Trump would just go "LYYYYINNN TED!!!!" More importantly Rubio and Kasich stayed in long after they were toast and allowed Trump to win a lot of primaries that would almost certainly have gone to Cruz. Trump also refused to do a 1v1 Debate with Cruz because Cruz would have absolutely destroyed him.

If you see Cruz as some different guy I can't disprove your feelings but he really hasn't changed much to me, same guy I always thought was one of the best conservative politicians in my lifetime.

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I'm trying to remember we are on the same team.

I never said Cruz has changed on his policy issues. I said he's different than 2016 - it's how he handles the media, social media, interviews, and people criticizing him in general. He has greatly improved since 2016.

I disagree as to why he lost. It handled things the way he does now he would have won. I'm not sure he wins the general though.

When Ted denounced Trump over the Mexico comments that was a turning point. It was gloves off at that point. It was wrong to agree with the media's lies of what Trump actually said. To this day they still treat that lie as the truth! He lost support from many after that. When Trump doubled down people said finally someone says something and doesn't wrongly apologize for something that is a lie!

Ted's early VP choice was also not a plus by any means!

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We can agree on the early VP choice for sure, that was the nail in the coffin for Cruz as it was a desperation move and a terrible choice at that based on one debate performance.

One other factor was definitely that the media was giving Trump all the oxygen. He was getting double the coverage of all the other candidates combined. They desperately wanted him to win because they thought Hillary would crush him.

As for the rest we'll just agree to disagree. I think it's just a more experienced Cruz and a different light you are seeing him through but if you think it was Trump taking him under his wing and shaping him somehow that's fine. We all see what we see. I just like the guy now and I liked him then and all the way back.

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He has never allowed Trump to take him under his wing and should not where do you get this stuff from. He learned from Trump in how to deal with the lefts age old tricks. It's amazing for someone that has followed him so long can't see how he improved his public likability.

I have respected him more for seeing Trumps actions and fighting the establishment. He set aside personal issues that he had every right to be upset about and moved forward in what he believed was best for the country. Not many people could do that as well as he has. He was one of the few Republicans not backstabbing the voters for Trumps first 2 years!

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Out of curiosity, what will your reaction be if Cruz were to endorse DeSantis? I honestly have no idea what he will do though with Chip Roy being a huge DeSantis guy and Cruz's former Chief of Staff it makes me wonder. To me it wouldn't affect my feelings toward Cruz either way too much though I think DeSantis seems a much more natural fit for him (and he didn't call his wife ugly).

It just seems like you are one of the most die hard Trump folks here and I don't think I have seen you criticize him on anything while you defend everything he does or says pretty forcefully. I'm sure you think the same of me with DeSantis and that's fine but I go out of my way to find things about Trump to complement him on. DeSantis doesn't really make a lot of big mistakes in general he just doesn't have some of Trump's strengths in terms of the emotional appeal and star power, Trump is unique in that.

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I'm not on here everyday posting threads knocking Trump in support of Desantis that's the big difference.

Until I'm convinced Desantis is not working with the establishment and the likes of McConnell I'm not going to support him. I'm sick of that!

I supported Cruz in 2016 fyi. Yes surprised? you just assume everyone that doesn't support Desantis like you do is the problem because they still support Trump. I have said before your threads makes me support Trump more. It's the way you dig at Trump every chance you get instead of just saying what you want to say good about Desantis.

As far as Cruz's endorsement it doesn't mean anything to me.
Just like if endorsed Trump it would change little for you I'm sure.

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If the Dems and the propaganda machine hadn't blocked Trump's border wall (the biggest American voter mandate that got him elected) - there would be literally zero crisis at the border.

For less than $50Billion we could have saved many multiples of that in terms of the resources being stolen by the invasion

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Umm....Trump and the Republicans had the majority in Congress during this administration. Did the Dems influence Republicans to block the wall? If so, we have only ourselves to blame for buying into the 'propaganda machine'. But that's over...and we'll have another chance to rectify it....(with Desantis of course, winky emoji).

RINOs I'm the establishment certainly joined the resistance against the will of the American people

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FrioAg 00 said:

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If the Dems and the propaganda machine hadn't blocked Trump's border wall (the biggest American voter mandate that got him elected) - there would be literally zero crisis at the border.

For less than $50Billion we could have saved many multiples of that in terms of the resources being stolen by the invasion

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Umm....Trump and the Republicans had the majority in Congress during this administration. Did the Dems influence Republicans to block the wall? If so, we have only ourselves to blame for buying into the 'propaganda machine'. But that's over...and we'll have another chance to rectify it....(with Desantis of course, winky emoji).

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There was a Republican event after Trumps election and an interviewer asked each elected official from Texas - one was Congressman Brady if Trumps wall is going to get built.

Each said that it really was more of a political speak and that nothing really could be done. You are right it didn't get done BECAUSE of republicans!

They never expected Trump to win and they never planned on supporting the wall.

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This Ted Cruz would have WON the Republican primary in 2016

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That was Ted Cruz in 2016, sorry you weren't paying attention.

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You are insufferable. Todays Ted Cruz is NOT the 2016 Ted Cruz!

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I've been a Cruz guy since before he ran for Senate, he's the same guy today as he always was. He has no problem attacking Democrats or the media and he keeps it to facts and strong arguments. The difference is he doesn't get nasty and personal against other Republicans like Trump does. That was why it was so frustrating folks picked Trump over him at the time. Cruz is one of the most intelligent elected officials in government. Unfortunately he isn't good looking and he has a bit of an off putting style and a lot of folks can't look past it.

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Seriously you think you are the only Cruz supporter and expert on him?

You say he doesn't attack other Republicans! LOL
He is hated by many Republicans in Congress.
Go back and listen to his speech on the Senate floor right after he was first elected. He broke decorum and bashed McConnell like has never been done before or since! He called him a liar.
It was glorious!

Everyone that follows Cruz says he's learned a lot from Trump in how to deal with people who criticize him or go after him.
He's not the same as he was before and most agree that it's a good thing.

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I just don't see anything different about Cruz today than I did then, he's the same guy just has a beard and is a little more experienced. Hasn't changed on any issue of note.

His attacks on McConnell have to do with fighting the Swamp and he definitely is hated by the Establishment wing. Fair enough that that was against a Republican but he had issues with McConnell after about 5 minutes serving in the Senate.

That's not why he lost in 2016 though. He lost because he didn't attack Trump forcefully in the campaign and tried to have a reasonable conversation. He didn't grasp why Trump was attacking him personally and lying about him continually when they had such similar policy positions. There were a lot of moments of that campaign that looked like scenes from Idiocracy where Cruz was making passionate fact based arguments and Trump would just go "LYYYYINNN TED!!!!" More importantly Rubio and Kasich stayed in long after they were toast and allowed Trump to win a lot of primaries that would almost certainly have gone to Cruz. Trump also refused to do a 1v1 Debate with Cruz because Cruz would have absolutely destroyed him.

If you see Cruz as some different guy I can't disprove your feelings but he really hasn't changed much to me, same guy I always thought was one of the best conservative politicians in my lifetime.

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I'm trying to remember we are on the same team.

I never said Cruz has changed on his policy issues. I said he's different than 2016 - it's how he handles the media, social media, interviews, and people criticizing him in general. He has greatly improved since 2016.

I disagree as to why he lost. It handled things the way he does now he would have won. I'm not sure he wins the general though.

When Ted denounced Trump over the Mexico comments that was a turning point. It was gloves off at that point. It was wrong to agree with the media's lies of what Trump actually said. To this day they still treat that lie as the truth! He lost support from many after that. When Trump doubled down people said finally someone says something and doesn't wrongly apologize for something that is a lie!

Ted's early VP choice was also not a plus by any means!

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We can agree on the early VP choice for sure, that was the nail in the coffin for Cruz as it was a desperation move and a terrible choice at that based on one debate performance.

One other factor was definitely that the media was giving Trump all the oxygen. He was getting double the coverage of all the other candidates combined. They desperately wanted him to win because they thought Hillary would crush him.

As for the rest we'll just agree to disagree. I think it's just a more experienced Cruz and a different light you are seeing him through but if you think it was Trump taking him under his wing and shaping him somehow that's fine. We all see what we see. I just like the guy now and I liked him then and all the way back.

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He has never allowed Trump to take him under his wing and should not where do you get this stuff from. He learned from Trump in how to deal with the lefts age old tricks. It's amazing for someone that has followed him so long can't see how he improved his public likability.

I have respected him more for seeing Trumps actions and fighting the establishment. He set aside personal issues that he had every right to be upset about and moved forward in what he believed was best for the country. Not many people could do that as well as he has. He was one of the few Republicans not backstabbing the voters for Trumps first 2 years!

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Out of curiosity, what will your reaction be if Cruz were to endorse DeSantis? I honestly have no idea what he will do though with Chip Roy being a huge DeSantis guy and Cruz's former Chief of Staff it makes me wonder. To me it wouldn't affect my feelings toward Cruz either way too much though I think DeSantis seems a much more natural fit for him (and he didn't call his wife ugly).

It just seems like you are one of the most die hard Trump folks here and I don't think I have seen you criticize him on anything while you defend everything he does or says pretty forcefully. I'm sure you think the same of me with DeSantis and that's fine but I go out of my way to find things about Trump to complement him on. DeSantis doesn't really make a lot of big mistakes in general he just doesn't have some of Trump's strengths in terms of the emotional appeal and star power, Trump is unique in that.

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I'm not on here everyday posting threads knocking Trump in support of Desantis that's the big difference.

Until I'm convinced Desantis is not working with the establishment and the likes of McConnell I'm not going to support him. I'm sick of that!

I supported Cruz in 2016 fyi. Yes surprised? you just assume everyone that doesn't support Desantis like you do is the problem because they still support Trump. I have said before your threads makes me support Trump more. It's the way you dig at Trump every chance you get instead of just saying what you want to say good about Desantis.

As far as Cruz's endorsement it doesn't mean anything to me.
Just like if endorsed Trump it would change little for you I'm sure.

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Fair enough. I admit part of my responses on Trump are a lot of folks get so fanboy on him and think he was the greatest ever and everything he did was amazing. He did many great things but his style is to be an entertainer and it makes you forget a lot of the mistakes. He also never admits a mistake and doesn't self reflect, that's a strength and weakness for him. Thus I do have a habit of reminding folks about some of the things he does that were not so wonderful. Doesn't mean I hate the guy but he did a lot of things that were dumb as hell to go with some of the things he was fantastic about. If we could put Trump in charge of foreign policy and trade deals forever I'd be thrilled.

If you still think DeSantis is a McConnell/Establishment type I'd encourage you to look at the Megathread. I don't know how anyone can look at the bills he has gotten passed or even the lawsuit he filed last night on Title 42 and still think that's the case. McConnell may well end up supporting him in the end but that's more about McConnell having to choose between his hatred for Trump vs having another option. DeSantis at least isn't as bombastic as Trump even if the policies are more conservative and that may be enough for a lot of those folks. Simply because someone hates Trump for his personality and that favors DeSantis doesn't mean suddenly DeSantis is a RINO/EST/Globalist whatever. He just has a very long record going back to the House showing that isn't the case. Hell he was one of the few who opposed Paul Ryan for Speaker at the outset when people still liked Ryan.

I admit I get frustrated with that accusation when Trump has got hardcore Establishment folks all over the place in his campaign and among his supporters now, much less that he did back when he was President. The definition seems to be anyone that doesn't support Trump is Establishment which is a nice trick but it's also BS. Especially when Trump is attacking DeSantis from his Left on multiple issues. It's just complete gaslighting.

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its always the same. republicans talking will never get anything done.

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And what would you propose Cruz do?

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If the Dems and the propaganda machine hadn't blocked Trump's border wall (the biggest American voter mandate that got him elected) - there would be literally zero crisis at the border.

For less than $50Billion we could have saved many multiples of that in terms of the resources being stolen by the invasion

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Umm....Trump and the Republicans had the majority in Congress during this administration. Did the Dems influence Republicans to block the wall? If so, we have only ourselves to blame for buying into the 'propaganda machine'. But that's over...and we'll have another chance to rectify it....(with Desantis of course, winky emoji).

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You may recall that Paul Ryan was obstructionist.

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I'd like to report a murder

OMG @tedcruz goes absolutely BONKERS on this “reporter” parroting DNC talking points! 🔥 pic.twitter.com/1jSq0KmjDK

— Raheem. (@RaheemKassam) May 12, 2023

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I'm just gonna say it. Cruz would have been better as POTUS than Trump.

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Absolutely agreed. Unfortunately, most of America votes on politics like it's for junior high student council.

I haven't seen Cruz take out the media like that since he unmanned Jimmy Kimmel in hoops.

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its always the same. republicans talking will never get anything done.

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Your premise is probably wrong.

But for sake of argument I'd rather have the power structure do nothing than actively subvert the interests of the USA as the Dems are doing

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The reporter was a guy…

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By the end of the confrontation, he was a eunuch.

HarryJ33tamu said:

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The reporter was a guy…

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Are you a biologist????