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seriously you are part of the problem

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The problem of living in a city with a murder rate lower than red cities and states?

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Rapier108 said:

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Of course.

There is no rule of law or justice in New York City.

All crimes are first run through the political filter with the political affiliation and race of the perp and/or victim the determining factors if someone will be charged.

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Video of the incident showed Penny releasing Neely and placing him in the recovery position, which is meant to open up the airways and bring someone back to consciousness. That would suggest that Penny did not have any intent to permanently harm Neely, which is likely why the charges are for manslaughter and not murder.

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seriously you are part of the problem

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The problem of living in a city with a murder rate lower than red cities and states?

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Quit lying. You keep tossing out that claim and have been shown time and again that is not "red states" but rather the "blue cities" in those states.

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Under New York law there are different terms used to describe criminal offenses related to causing the death of another person. Murder is defined as killing someone with the intent to do so, while manslaughter is defined as causing someone's death without the intent to do so. Manslaughter cases involve recklessness, negligence, or heat of passion. Under New York Penal Law 125.15 you could be prosecuted for manslaughter in the second degree if:
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You recklessly cause the death of another person,

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According to New York Penal Law 15.05(3), acting "recklessly" as used in the manslaughter in the second degree statute is defined as being aware that your actions present a substantial risk that someone could be killed and disregarding that risk.

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Because manslaughter in the second degree is a class C felony, if you are convicted you could be sentenced to up to 15 years in state prison and be ordered to pay a substantial fine.

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Penny's attorneys also have not commented on the imminent charges. They have previously said their client was protecting himself and others, and there was no way Penny "could have foreseen" his bid to subdue the supposed perceived threat would turn deadly. His attorneys said he never intended to harm Neely.

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aggiehawg said:

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Under New York law there are different terms used to describe criminal offenses related to causing the death of another person. Murder is defined as killing someone with the intent to do so, while manslaughter is defined as causing someone's death without the intent to do so. Manslaughter cases involve recklessness, negligence, or heat of passion. Under New York Penal Law 125.15 you could be prosecuted for manslaughter in the second degree if:
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You recklessly cause the death of another person,

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According to New York Penal Law 15.05(3), acting "recklessly" as used in the manslaughter in the second degree statute is defined as being aware that your actions present a substantial risk that someone could be killed and disregarding that risk.

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Because manslaughter in the second degree is a class C felony, if you are convicted you could be sentenced to up to 15 years in state prison and be ordered to pay a substantial fine.

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Seems his attorneys are well aware of the statute...

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Penny's attorneys also have not commented on the imminent charges. They have previously said their client was protecting himself and others, and there was no way Penny "could have foreseen" his bid to subdue the supposed perceived threat would turn deadly. His attorneys said he never intended to harm Neely.

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https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/daniel-penny-expected-to-be-charged-in-jordan-neely-chokehold-death-sources/4325732/

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If he had the guy in a headlock for 15 minutes then he is probably going to prison. If it was just between subway stops then probably not.

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He should flee jurisdiction.

Go somewhere NYC democRATS won't go.
Like the Texas/Mexico border.

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He is supporsed to turn himself in tomorrow morning at 8:00 AM.

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Manhattan said:

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seriously you are part of the problem

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The problem of living in a city with a murder rate lower than red cities and states?

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PA24 said:

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He should flee jurisdiction.

Go somewhere NYC democRATS won't go.
Like the Texas/Mexico border.

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He is supporsed to turn himself in tomorrow morning at 8:00 AM.

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If he were to go to Florida and DeSantis refused extradition and gave him protection.....DeSantis would be the new MAGA king

but he wont because he is a polished turd like Bush.

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Unfortunately, that will be question of fact for a jury to decide. I don't trust juries in Manhattan.

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seriously you are part of the problem

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The problem of living in a city with a murder rate lower than red cities and states?

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We've already shown you how this was debunked...sigh...

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The problem of living in a city with a murder rate lower than red cities and states?

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We've already shown you how this was debunked...sigh...

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This is a straight up lie, I provided examples earlier in this thread.

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Quit lying. You keep tossing out that claim and have been shown time and again that is not "red states" but rather the "blue cities" in those states.

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Ft Worth and Tulsa disagree, they also have a lower percentage of black people for the other poster.

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seriously you are part of the problem

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Quit lying. You keep tossing out that claim and have been shown time and again that is not "red states" but rather the "blue cities" in those states.

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Ft Worth and Tulsa disagree, they also have a lower percentage of black people for the other poster.

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Ft Worth is 50% Hispanic or black, hoss.

New York City is 70% white or Asian.

Demographics make a difference.

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Another video of Neely being placed into recovery position, at LINK

He did not appear to soil himself and his legs move a bit at the end, I think.

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Looks like he took a deep breath. Could have been brain dead by that point. Not sure.

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Looks like he took a deep breath. Could have been brain dead by that point. Not sure.

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Brain dead? If he takes breaths, he is still getting oxygen to the brain unless his trachea is damaged.

They have not released the autopsy results that I have seen anywhere. Need that report to confirm asphyxia and damage.

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Looks like he took a deep breath. Could have been brain dead by that point. Not sure.

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Brain dead? If he takes breaths, he is still getting oxygen to the brain unless his trachea is damaged.

They have not released the autopsy results that I have seen anywhere. Need that report to confirm asphyxia and damage.

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Blood chokes (or carotid restraints / sleeper holds) are a form of strangulation that compress one or both carotid arteries and/or the jugular veins without compressing the airway, hence causing cerebral ischemia and a temporary hypoxic condition in the brain. A well-applied blood choke may lead to unconsciousness in 10-20 seconds. Injury or death is plausible if the arteries remain constricted for several minutes or more. Compared to strangulation with the hands, properly applied blood chokes require little physical strength.

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Looks like he took a deep breath. Could have been brain dead by that point. Not sure.

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Brain dead? If he takes breaths, he is still getting oxygen to the brain unless his trachea is damaged.

They have not released the autopsy results that I have seen anywhere. Need that report to confirm asphyxia and damage.

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Could have been an issue with inadequate blood flow to the brain. No blood flow means no oxygen delivered even if he's taking breaths (i.e. stroke). Does a choke hold compress the carotid arteries without compressing the trachea?

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seriously you are part of the problem

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The problem of living in a city with a murder rate lower than red cities and states?

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Quit lying. You keep tossing out that claim and have been shown time and again that is not "red states" but rather the "blue cities" in those states.

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Ft Worth and Tulsa disagree, they also have a lower percentage of black people for the other poster.

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Ft Worth is 50% Hispanic or black, hoss.

New York City is 70% white or Asian.

Demographics make a difference.

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NYC is 30% white


Nice playing with numbers Cowboy

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