Iran takes a 2nd Oil Tanker bound for Houston

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12:21p, 5/4/23
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We need to figure out how we are going to respond to this, silence is the wrong answer.


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12:22p, 5/4/23
I know how the goat would respond


Stolen elections have consequences
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12:22p, 5/4/23
Send in the Drag Queen Destroyer!
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12:23p, 5/4/23
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They're probably doing it on his orders. Driving up price...you know for climate change.
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12:23p, 5/4/23
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Pathetic. Just sad.
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12:25p, 5/4/23
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Maybe this is what you do when you can no longer tap the nation's SPR to enrich your enemies. You just let them steal it consequence free.
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12:26p, 5/4/23
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I feel a stern talking to coming on from the center ref. If Iran doesn't watch out Biden might just show them a yellow card.
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12:27p, 5/4/23
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Technically these ships are not US flagged btw, this one is from Panama, the other from the Marshall Islands. I can see how there is an argument we stay out of it but Iran is going to continue to provoke until there is a response, it's how they roll.
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In reply to aggie93 • 12:27p, 5/4/23
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aggie93 said:
We need to figure out how we are going to respond to this, silence is the wrong answer.
Who's "we"?

If you're talking about the government of whatever this country is, they do not represent us and are actually at war with us. Are you not aware that Biden is perfectly happy that Iran is doing the dirty work for him?
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12:28p, 5/4/23
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Iran probably just wants another pallet-load of cash
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In reply to Franklin Comes Alive! • 12:28p, 5/4/23
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Franklin Comes Alive! said:
I know how the goat would respond


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Umm, how did he respond in 2019 when 4 tankers were attacked by Iran? Granted the USS Bainbridge was tasked with rescuing one of the crews. So that is a positive.
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In reply to Franklin Comes Alive! • 12:28p, 5/4/23
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I know how the goat would respond


George Washington wouldn't know wtf "oil" was and would be overwhelmed by a huge metal ship.
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12:29p, 5/4/23
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'If we were all electric, then we wouldn't have this problem, now would we ?' - Libs and Salute the Teslas...
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12:30p, 5/4/23
To be clear, these are not US owned ships, correct?

I'm always game to slap Iran around anyway. It should be child's play to destroy a key Iranian port as retaliation.
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In reply to Scotty Appleton • 12:32p, 5/4/23
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Send in the Drag Queen Destroyer!


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In reply to Buck Turgidson • 12:32p, 5/4/23
Buck Turgidson said:
To be clear, these are not US owned ships, correct?

I'm always game to slap Iran around anyway. It should be child's play to destroy a key Iranian port as retaliation.
The first ship was destined for Houston. But correct, neither ship is flagged under the US.
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12:34p, 5/4/23
Who owns the tankers?
Who owns the oil on the tankers?

I loathe president dementia as much as the next guy, but the answers to these questions impacts the U.S.'s course of action, if any.
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12:36p, 5/4/23
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I'd be surprised if obama/kerry and company aren't still talking with Iran to get a nuclear deal done so they can get their full payment from a few years ago. Biden is not going to interfere with whatever obama is doing.
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In reply to Scotty Appleton • 12:37p, 5/4/23
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Scotty Appleton said:
Send in the Drag Queen Destroyer!
The USS "Kitty Kat"....meeeow
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12:38p, 5/4/23
Must get approval from John Kerry for any actions.
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12:39p, 5/4/23
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I've been surrounded by iranian gun boats in the straits of hormuz, so this really makes you think.
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In reply to Irish 2.0 • 12:40p, 5/4/23
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Irish 2.0 said:
Buck Turgidson said:
To be clear, these are not US owned ships, correct?

I'm always game to slap Iran around anyway. It should be child's play to destroy a key Iranian port as retaliation.
The first ship was destined for Houston. But correct, neither ship is flagged under the US.


That's only a piece of it. Who owns the cargo? Also, just because a vessel is flagged by one Flag State doesn't mean the owner is from that country as well.
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In reply to Fall92 • 12:41p, 5/4/23
Fall92 said:
Irish 2.0 said:
Buck Turgidson said:
To be clear, these are not US owned ships, correct?

I'm always game to slap Iran around anyway. It should be child's play to destroy a key Iranian port as retaliation.
The first ship was destined for Houston. But correct, neither ship is flagged under the US.


That's only a piece of it. Who owns the cargo? Also, just because a vessel is flagged by one Flag State doesn't mean the owner is from that country as well.
I'm not defending Biden's indifference on the matter. Just providing some additional information.

I'm all for turning Iran into a glass bowl.
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In reply to Irish 2.0 • 12:42p, 5/4/23
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Irish 2.0 said:
Buck Turgidson said:
To be clear, these are not US owned ships, correct?

I'm always game to slap Iran around anyway. It should be child's play to destroy a key Iranian port as retaliation.
The first ship was destined for Houston. But correct, neither ship is flagged under the US.
Where a ship is flagged generally has little to nothing to do with who owns it and everythign to do with either tax or political reasons.

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The owners of commercial vessels in the world resort to certain countries to register their vessels for reasons related to the ease of registration procedures, and the low fees, and the low taxes on this activity, and also to seek countries with less restrictive legislation regarding the wages of workers in commercial vessels and working conditions.

This practice - the registration of commercial vessels in countries other than those made or owned - began in the second decade of the twentieth century when shipowners in the United States began registering their ships in Panama to escape regulatory restrictions and high labor costs in their country.
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In reply to NoahAg • 12:43p, 5/4/23
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NoahAg said:
Who owns the tankers?
Who owns the oil on the tankers?

I loathe president dementia as much as the next guy, but the answers to these questions impacts the U.S.'s course of action, if any.
I agree, however we seem to have no response so far which means this is going to escalate. It would be really nice if we had a remotely competent Admin that at least had some type of plan for dealing with this and made it clear what was and what was not acceptable. I know, that's just a dream with the idiot in charge.
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In reply to NoahAg • 12:43p, 5/4/23
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NoahAg said:
Who owns the tankers?
Who owns the oil on the tankers?

I loathe president dementia as much as the next guy, but the answers to these questions impacts the U.S.'s course of action, if any.
The oil in the first was purchased by Chevron. Don't know about this one. But, both were destined for the US market, which Iran just stole, so there's that. As for flagging ships, none are flagged US anymore (mostly), because of flagging for convenience thing (look it up), so that's a silly argument against getting pooned on the world stage.
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12:49p, 5/4/23
There may be a half dozen US flagged tankers in the world, not including USN fleet.
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12:52p, 5/4/23
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..............and don't forget about the 10% for you know who.........
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In reply to Fall92 • 12:53p, 5/4/23
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Looks empty to me...


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12:58p, 5/4/23
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Everyone sees how weak the US is right now. China, Russia, ...even the Iranian Revolutionary Guard
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In reply to Scotty Appleton • 1:01p, 5/4/23
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Scotty Appleton said:
Send in the Drag Queen Destroyer!
Sorry, all destroyers have been decommissioned. The only thing the drag queen navy does now is bottom dredging!
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In reply to Scotty Appleton • 1:01p, 5/4/23
Scotty Appleton said:
Send in the Drag Queen Destroyer!
The Gay Greek army of Alexander did well in Asia.

I guess flags like this USS Kidd flag will be purple with a stiletto on it soon?
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1:10p, 5/4/23
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Are these occurrences in Iranian waters or international? We supposedly are THE major force in guaranteeing international trade and open seas. State sponsored piracy in international waters is not something we should tolerate.
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1:17p, 5/4/23
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People in the de-dollarization thread talking about the US Navy and shipping lanes, and then this happens...
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In reply to Win At Life • 1:24p, 5/4/23
Who owns the tankers? That matters.
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